Do we really know all the contents of the tapes? Do we really know the “volumes of evidence” the NPA has in its possession? I don’t think so. That is what is worrying with the arguments.

In actual fact we do not know much about the case. The Prof has in many instances conceded in many of his postings that the only evidence he feels is strong enough to convict Zuma is the same one that convicted Shaik, and the conclusion by the court that there was a corupt relationship between Shaik and Zuma, vice versa he doesn’t know. We already know that the letter, signed by Zuma, to the then chairman of Parliament’s standing committee on public accounts, Gavin Woods, informing Woods of a presidential decision not to issue the proclamation required for the investigation Woods had sought into the arms deal was not written by Zuma.

Would Zuma remain president with charges hanging over his head?

Would Zuma be recalled as president?

Im sorry i have 4 laptops actually, i got no issues being a capitalist i work hard for living and thats what capitalism is all about i am your worst nightmare then, I embody capitalism…………last time i checked we won the cold war, comrade

Spam apply your legal mind here, I dare you actually and JJ and our rocket engineer Ozzhole
(Spuy // Apr 16, 2009 at 9:56 pm)

I take it your a lawyer?? if you are good we gonna have fun now.

What do you actually have?
You have alleged tapes you dont even have, that even the NPA doesnt even have, all there is, is a script that is 2 seconds long taken from a conversation that could of been 30 mins long about a casual chit chat about the likely hood of prosecuting Zuma…..oooohhhhh im scared.

In a court of law if this was your evidence wtf do you think the judge is going to say or the state prosecutor well say to your defence? There is NO legal way Hulley could of gotten those tapes to pass to Zuma, there is none period.

Um firstly what the hell is your client doing with state material?

secondly where the hell is the full audio?

thirdly is it authentic?

Wheres your proof?

My capitalistic fart has more substance in a conspiracy theory against Zuma than your evidence of a 2 second script which has most likely been taken out of context….It proves nothing…….if you deal with law you deal with facts hard evidence. Innocent until proven guilty…is it not?

I can picture Hulley and Zuma sitting in a corner listening to this audio: “hey this guy said MAN….ohhhh wait now he said BIG……Oh my god man and big…big and man awwww BIG MAN….this proves it they out to get me!!!

The only abuse of state i can see so far is from Zuma and the NIA.

In order for Zuma to be vindicated about this so called plot, one is still yet to see evidence being vabricated from political meddling……has this happend?

Instead we found a bunch of gun ho happy shooters who believe every single crap that is fed to them. If the NIA gave a private citizen a list of names and telephone numbers of every spy operative or telephone recordings between them to you, would that be illegal?

Now spam with regards to Mpshe.
You and him did not apply your minds.

Firslty even i know South Africa has its own common law and has its on constitution in order for Mpshe to work around Harms judgement he quoted from a judge who’s judgement was over ruled. When it comes to LAW one has to provide authority. In other words in order for Zuma to claim his legal solution Mpshe has to use legal authority! This is not rocket science. To use legal authority on a judgement that lost all meaning becomes worthless. Hence that this is not a legal solution but a political solution.

Which brings me to this and a free little education for you SPAM and JJ since you both seem very lost here.

Constitutional Law should be treated as the 3rd order of the political. Which must advocate the establishment of a properly equilibrated political system in which power was checked by power.

Constitutional law is a spiece of politcal right it is positive law which has been broken by the ANC and fight against it when dropping the charges of Zuma.

So when Zuma shouts out at the constitutional judges about being Gods, he is simply deluded at best, constitutional law is not handed down from above but which exists as part of the self-regulatory process of the political relm.

If DA’s cause of action is not founded on PAJA, the only remaining resort is common law review. Even there I still think that their application is, to borrow Prof’s words, dead in the water!

Anyway, lets and wait and see. After the euphoria of elections has died down after 22 April, I will not be suprised if DA walks away from this application.

I have come to very much the same conclusion.