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		<title>By: Xhanti</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/aids-denialism-ii/#comment-33005</link>
		<dc:creator>Xhanti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 14:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This debate has become quite silly. 
The issues are quite simple, and the good prof is starting to show signs of faulty logical thinking. 
HIV is not a sufficient condition to cause Aids, but it is certainly necessary. simply put, you can contract HIV, but not die. but it will attack your immune system untill it cannot deffend you from other diseases, and you will then be said to be dying of aids.
therefore, the response to dealing with HIV/Aids has to be in these terms. 
When we tell people that HIV is no longer a death sentence, what we mean is simply that you can live a healthy life for a very long time with HIV before you die of Aids. 
what that means therefore is that you can contract HIV, and if you eat well, excercise etc, you will have a long and healthy life. 
However, the approach the prof, and those who speak of HIV/Aids denialism want to steer the debate towards ARVs. 
this is understandable because, ARVs are big money.

Thabo Mbeki&#039;s government failed miserably in Education. I am yet to read one question from a journalist, or commentry or analysis from the likes of Prof about this dismal failure. the reason is that there is no pharmaceutical lobby. 

Most disturbing to me is not so much the misreporting about what thabo mbeki said or didn&#039;t say, but the assumption that people cannot be expected to understand their health conditions - they are just not clever enough. 
Poor and uneducated people deal with all sorts of conditions, including diabetes, TB, Asthma and other complex psycological conditions. they are quite capable of undertanding them, and have done well in following treatmnet. 

to say let&#039;s deny them information is probably the most dangerous assertion with respect to dealing with HIV/Aids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This debate has become quite silly.<br />
The issues are quite simple, and the good prof is starting to show signs of faulty logical thinking.<br />
HIV is not a sufficient condition to cause Aids, but it is certainly necessary. simply put, you can contract HIV, but not die. but it will attack your immune system untill it cannot deffend you from other diseases, and you will then be said to be dying of aids.<br />
therefore, the response to dealing with HIV/Aids has to be in these terms.<br />
When we tell people that HIV is no longer a death sentence, what we mean is simply that you can live a healthy life for a very long time with HIV before you die of Aids.<br />
what that means therefore is that you can contract HIV, and if you eat well, excercise etc, you will have a long and healthy life.<br />
However, the approach the prof, and those who speak of HIV/Aids denialism want to steer the debate towards ARVs.<br />
this is understandable because, ARVs are big money.</p>
<p>Thabo Mbeki&#8217;s government failed miserably in Education. I am yet to read one question from a journalist, or commentry or analysis from the likes of Prof about this dismal failure. the reason is that there is no pharmaceutical lobby. </p>
<p>Most disturbing to me is not so much the misreporting about what thabo mbeki said or didn&#8217;t say, but the assumption that people cannot be expected to understand their health conditions &#8211; they are just not clever enough.<br />
Poor and uneducated people deal with all sorts of conditions, including diabetes, TB, Asthma and other complex psycological conditions. they are quite capable of undertanding them, and have done well in following treatmnet. </p>
<p>to say let&#8217;s deny them information is probably the most dangerous assertion with respect to dealing with HIV/Aids.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Pêcheur</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/aids-denialism-ii/#comment-454</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Pêcheur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Professor: You ask, what causes Aids? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Lancet Study Challenges Claims about HAART Treatment Does Not = Life &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The surprising conclusion from a recent study published in the medical journal, The Lancet: After starting treatment with HARRT, viral response improved but such improvement has not translated into a decrease in mortality.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The multi-center study reported in The Lancet article tracked the effects of HAART on some 22,000 previously treatment naive HIV positives between 1995 and 2003 at 12 locations in Europe and the USA. Instead of finding data that provide a ringing endorsement of anti-HIV drug therapy, the studies results refute popular claims that the newer anti-HIV meds extend life or improve health.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Commenting on the article, Felix de Fries of Study Group AIDS-Therapy in Zurich, Switzerland had this to say: The Lancet study shows that after a short period of time, HAART treatment led to increases in precisely those opportunistic infections that define AIDS from fungal infections of the lungs, skin and intestines to various mycobacterial infections. De Fries also notes that while HAART has led to no sustained increases in CD4 counts, no reduction in AIDS-defining illness and no decrease in mortality rates, its use is associated with a list of serious adverse events including cardiovascular disease, lipodystrophy, lactacidosis, liver and kidney failure, osteoporosis, thyroid dysfunction, neuropathy, and non-AIDS cancers among users.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For more information, please refer to The Lancet, issue 368:451-58 and/or The Study Group AIDS-Therapy by telephone or fax at 0041 44 401 34 24 or by email at felix.defries@tele2.ch&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Please visit my blog, letterstotheempire.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Professor: You ask, what causes Aids? </p>
<p>Lancet Study Challenges Claims about HAART Treatment Does Not = Life </p>
<p>The surprising conclusion from a recent study published in the medical journal, The Lancet: After starting treatment with HARRT, viral response improved but such improvement has not translated into a decrease in mortality.</p>
<p>The multi-center study reported in The Lancet article tracked the effects of HAART on some 22,000 previously treatment naive HIV positives between 1995 and 2003 at 12 locations in Europe and the USA. Instead of finding data that provide a ringing endorsement of anti-HIV drug therapy, the studies results refute popular claims that the newer anti-HIV meds extend life or improve health.</p>
<p>Commenting on the article, Felix de Fries of Study Group AIDS-Therapy in Zurich, Switzerland had this to say: The Lancet study shows that after a short period of time, HAART treatment led to increases in precisely those opportunistic infections that define AIDS from fungal infections of the lungs, skin and intestines to various mycobacterial infections. De Fries also notes that while HAART has led to no sustained increases in CD4 counts, no reduction in AIDS-defining illness and no decrease in mortality rates, its use is associated with a list of serious adverse events including cardiovascular disease, lipodystrophy, lactacidosis, liver and kidney failure, osteoporosis, thyroid dysfunction, neuropathy, and non-AIDS cancers among users.</p>
<p>For more information, please refer to The Lancet, issue 368:451-58 and/or The Study Group AIDS-Therapy by telephone or fax at 0041 44 401 34 24 or by email at <a href="mailto:felix.defries@tele2.ch">felix.defries@tele2.ch</a></p>
<p>Please visit my blog, letterstotheempire.blogspot.com</p>
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		<title>By: Africannabis</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/aids-denialism-ii/#comment-381</link>
		<dc:creator>Africannabis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Turks started bathing a long time ago...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sister Nightingale started something... wash your hands... oddly enough she started this Nursing trend while she was in Turkey.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Avoiding the garlic and &#039;erbal options available to this discussion.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No-one seems to have mentioned - pre- or post sex cleanliness...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Now lets just spend some time on this...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In our GREATER population - running water and ablution is not available.  Sex between people is just that - Between people.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No washing - necessary / possible.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This might have nothing to do with the rapid spread - I could be wrong.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Barking up garlic and lemon trees don&#039;t help either.  Back to the Boom for me.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;(ps facts in this regard - California State medical aid now pays for &#039;Boom&#039; for the treatment of HIV patients.  The Netherlands medical aids have been paying for the same treatment for 4 years)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt; - - - Quite frankly it doesn&#039;t matter much who AIDS denialism begins or ends with - - - if we can&#039;t wash our fannies or dicks - and we aren&#039;t talking about washing them...&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Then we are doomed - to continue down our @#$%^&amp;--ed up path - of AIDS WANTS YOU adverts....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Turks started bathing a long time ago&#8230;</p>
<p>Sister Nightingale started something&#8230; wash your hands&#8230; oddly enough she started this Nursing trend while she was in Turkey.</p>
<p>Avoiding the garlic and &#8216;erbal options available to this discussion.</p>
<p>No-one seems to have mentioned &#8211; pre- or post sex cleanliness&#8230;</p>
<p>Now lets just spend some time on this&#8230;</p>
<p>In our GREATER population &#8211; running water and ablution is not available.  Sex between people is just that &#8211; Between people.</p>
<p>No washing &#8211; necessary / possible.</p>
<p>This might have nothing to do with the rapid spread &#8211; I could be wrong.</p>
<p>Barking up garlic and lemon trees don&#8217;t help either.  Back to the Boom for me.</p>
<p>(ps facts in this regard &#8211; California State medical aid now pays for &#8216;Boom&#8217; for the treatment of HIV patients.  The Netherlands medical aids have been paying for the same treatment for 4 years)</p>
<p> &#8211; - &#8211; Quite frankly it doesn&#8217;t matter much who AIDS denialism begins or ends with &#8211; - &#8211; if we can&#8217;t wash our fannies or dicks &#8211; and we aren&#8217;t talking about washing them&#8230;</p>
<p>Then we are doomed &#8211; to continue down our @#$%^&#038;&#8211;ed up path &#8211; of AIDS WANTS YOU adverts&#8230;.</p>
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