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	<description>This blog deals with political and social issues in South Africa, mostly from the perspective of Constitutional Law. Written by Pierre de Vos</description>
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		<title>By: Phillip Stanley Bougard</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/anc-and-president-in-need-of-a-constitutional-adviser/#comment-19493</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Stanley Bougard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My name is Phillip Stanley Bougard, born in Windhoek, Namibia, schooled in, amongst other places, Cofimvaba, De Aar, Upington, Kensington, Cape Town. Lived in Jhb 12 years, currently a Canadian citizen, living in Toronto, Ontario Province, Canada.

I am HIGHLY upset, at the way the SACP seem to &quot;worm&quot; their way into government. I had asked an International Law Expert at both Harvard and NYU in New York City, as well as  The University of Toronto&#039;s Law Faculty, to look into this &quot;UNHOLY ALLIANCE&quot; of the ANC/SACP/Cosatu

I am also planning, to seek International funding, to challenge this very same &quot;UNHOLY ALLIANCE&quot; at The South African Constitutional Court. Could you suggest, a South African Constitutional Law Expert, willing to take on a case like this? Could you forward this email to such a person, if you know of them?


Also, I was always under the impression, that the &quot;tripartite agreement&quot; at CODESA, Kempton PARK, was meant to be temporary, with the ONLY INTENTION, of defeating the old, National Party, during South Africa&#039;s FIRST ALL-Race elections. Did such a clause exist at all? If so, can it be found?


Hoping to hear from you, at your earliest convenience.


I remain.

Respectfully Yours.


Phillip Stanley Bougard
Toronto, Canada</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My name is Phillip Stanley Bougard, born in Windhoek, Namibia, schooled in, amongst other places, Cofimvaba, De Aar, Upington, Kensington, Cape Town. Lived in Jhb 12 years, currently a Canadian citizen, living in Toronto, Ontario Province, Canada.</p>
<p>I am HIGHLY upset, at the way the SACP seem to &#8220;worm&#8221; their way into government. I had asked an International Law Expert at both Harvard and NYU in New York City, as well as  The University of Toronto&#8217;s Law Faculty, to look into this &#8220;UNHOLY ALLIANCE&#8221; of the ANC/SACP/Cosatu</p>
<p>I am also planning, to seek International funding, to challenge this very same &#8220;UNHOLY ALLIANCE&#8221; at The South African Constitutional Court. Could you suggest, a South African Constitutional Law Expert, willing to take on a case like this? Could you forward this email to such a person, if you know of them?</p>
<p>Also, I was always under the impression, that the &#8220;tripartite agreement&#8221; at CODESA, Kempton PARK, was meant to be temporary, with the ONLY INTENTION, of defeating the old, National Party, during South Africa&#8217;s FIRST ALL-Race elections. Did such a clause exist at all? If so, can it be found?</p>
<p>Hoping to hear from you, at your earliest convenience.</p>
<p>I remain.</p>
<p>Respectfully Yours.</p>
<p>Phillip Stanley Bougard<br />
Toronto, Canada</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymouse</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/anc-and-president-in-need-of-a-constitutional-adviser/#comment-5986</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Z - Too sophisticated - I agree, if, of course I was implying that ANC cadres are part of the illuminati. However, what I was trying to say, was that some of the ANC cadres might have been bought (and are controlled) by that org, don&#039;t you think there is merit? Suddenly all the &#039;third force&#039; and &#039;conspiracy&#039; theories would have been lent substance. Ooh, I love stirring through ridicule!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Z &#8211; Too sophisticated &#8211; I agree, if, of course I was implying that ANC cadres are part of the illuminati. However, what I was trying to say, was that some of the ANC cadres might have been bought (and are controlled) by that org, don&#8217;t you think there is merit? Suddenly all the &#8216;third force&#8217; and &#8216;conspiracy&#8217; theories would have been lent substance. Ooh, I love stirring through ridicule!</p>
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		<title>By: Vuyo</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/anc-and-president-in-need-of-a-constitutional-adviser/#comment-5982</link>
		<dc:creator>Vuyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pierre, 

It seems to me that you are correct. I think that President Mbeki&#039;s submission of his letter of resignation to the speaker was irregular. He should have submitted it to the deputy president. The constitution is clear that there&#039;s a hierachy of appointees should there be a vacancy in the presidency. Indeed, the next candidate for the acting presidency is the deputy president, and should she also resign, at the same time as the president or before, a person appointed as such by the president. The present parliamentary processes, that we read of, are therefore irregullar and subject to constitutional challenge!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pierre, </p>
<p>It seems to me that you are correct. I think that President Mbeki&#8217;s submission of his letter of resignation to the speaker was irregular. He should have submitted it to the deputy president. The constitution is clear that there&#8217;s a hierachy of appointees should there be a vacancy in the presidency. Indeed, the next candidate for the acting presidency is the deputy president, and should she also resign, at the same time as the president or before, a person appointed as such by the president. The present parliamentary processes, that we read of, are therefore irregullar and subject to constitutional challenge!</p>
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		<title>By: z</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/anc-and-president-in-need-of-a-constitutional-adviser/#comment-5943</link>
		<dc:creator>z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mouse 

Too sophisticated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mouse </p>
<p>Too sophisticated!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymouse</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/anc-and-president-in-need-of-a-constitutional-adviser/#comment-5942</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Z - &#039;Mafia&#039;? What about &#039;Illuminati&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Z &#8211; &#8216;Mafia&#8217;? What about &#8216;Illuminati&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: z</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/anc-and-president-in-need-of-a-constitutional-adviser/#comment-5941</link>
		<dc:creator>z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vusi

All I can say is the word Mafia also came to my mind tonight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vusi</p>
<p>All I can say is the word Mafia also came to my mind tonight.</p>
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		<title>By: Vusi</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/anc-and-president-in-need-of-a-constitutional-adviser/#comment-5931</link>
		<dc:creator>Vusi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you guys make of this sms:

“This is a message from NEC members. Things are 
bad Mshana. Writing is on the wall. Argument is that if TM stays, he and NPA will win appeal and JZ will be charged. They say it openly. They need a Pres who will give amnesty to JZ, Maharaj, Schippy (sic) Shaik, and stop investigation of Ramatlodi. They are making it clear Pius, Dikgang, Albie Sachs, Adv Mpshe must go. 

“Objective is clear, get in a Pres who will kick out Mpshe and agree to amnesty and weaken the NPA. The way Malema speaks, is clear JZ is ransomed and cannot escape imprisonment by these forces . .. 

“Nkosazana was jeered by Lindiwe Zulu when she advanced timing of expelling Mbeki towards elections. Even Kgalema is intimidated Mshana. I just feel sorry for Mpshe cost (sic) Malema and Blade will target him. JZ has destroyed ANC. Do not be optimistic. Mafia rules ANC. It’s about suppressing corruption and Mbeki refused to do so.

“Also under attack was Prof Gutto, by Nyanda, who asked why he was given citizenship. No one speaks about merits of JZ’s case.”

http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/Article.aspx?id=847716

This is a message sent by one of Mbeki&#039;s supporters!
These are indeed trying times we live in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you guys make of this sms:</p>
<p>“This is a message from NEC members. Things are<br />
bad Mshana. Writing is on the wall. Argument is that if TM stays, he and NPA will win appeal and JZ will be charged. They say it openly. They need a Pres who will give amnesty to JZ, Maharaj, Schippy (sic) Shaik, and stop investigation of Ramatlodi. They are making it clear Pius, Dikgang, Albie Sachs, Adv Mpshe must go. </p>
<p>“Objective is clear, get in a Pres who will kick out Mpshe and agree to amnesty and weaken the NPA. The way Malema speaks, is clear JZ is ransomed and cannot escape imprisonment by these forces . .. </p>
<p>“Nkosazana was jeered by Lindiwe Zulu when she advanced timing of expelling Mbeki towards elections. Even Kgalema is intimidated Mshana. I just feel sorry for Mpshe cost (sic) Malema and Blade will target him. JZ has destroyed ANC. Do not be optimistic. Mafia rules ANC. It’s about suppressing corruption and Mbeki refused to do so.</p>
<p>“Also under attack was Prof Gutto, by Nyanda, who asked why he was given citizenship. No one speaks about merits of JZ’s case.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/Article.aspx?id=847716" rel="nofollow">http://www.thetimes.co.za/PrintEdition/Article.aspx?id=847716</a></p>
<p>This is a message sent by one of Mbeki&#8217;s supporters!<br />
These are indeed trying times we live in!</p>
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		<title>By: lisl</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/anc-and-president-in-need-of-a-constitutional-adviser/#comment-5930</link>
		<dc:creator>lisl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 14:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pierre, 
thanks for such an informative blog. Am no legal mind, but I understood something different from the statement that Mr M would step down &quot;once all constitutional requirements have been met&quot;. This sounds to me like it refers to constitutional requirements that must be fulfilled PRIOR (or leading up) to resignation and not afterwards - not what happens re replacing him.  Could you let us know what any such requirements could be - i.e. the manner in which he is asked to resign, if he has to be presented with some sort of ultimatum or documentation (or if he has to provide some himself?) .... ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pierre,<br />
thanks for such an informative blog. Am no legal mind, but I understood something different from the statement that Mr M would step down &#8220;once all constitutional requirements have been met&#8221;. This sounds to me like it refers to constitutional requirements that must be fulfilled PRIOR (or leading up) to resignation and not afterwards &#8211; not what happens re replacing him.  Could you let us know what any such requirements could be &#8211; i.e. the manner in which he is asked to resign, if he has to be presented with some sort of ultimatum or documentation (or if he has to provide some himself?) &#8230;. ?</p>
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		<title>By: z</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/anc-and-president-in-need-of-a-constitutional-adviser/#comment-5923</link>
		<dc:creator>z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 08:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Khosi

What? I understand your tone now. I missed that, but it is weird!


Spelling Correction (oi!): 
No anything we don’t?

SHOULD BE

Know anything we don&#039;t?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Khosi</p>
<p>What? I understand your tone now. I missed that, but it is weird!</p>
<p>Spelling Correction (oi!):<br />
No anything we don’t?</p>
<p>SHOULD BE</p>
<p>Know anything we don&#8217;t?</p>
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		<title>By: khosi</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/anc-and-president-in-need-of-a-constitutional-adviser/#comment-5919</link>
		<dc:creator>khosi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 04:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>z,

i watched a recording of the presidents press conference with Sepp Blatter last sunday. 

First, it was carried live on the SABC, a bit odd for that type of news conference.
Most tellingly, he said he knows who will be in governent next year and would not be telling us. Now WTF was that statement about?

But if people think that he is down and out, they need to look closer at public sentiment. I would also think that tonight, he will use his public address to show the nation that he is the responsible leader who is saving the country from the irresponsible actions of his dismissal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>z,</p>
<p>i watched a recording of the presidents press conference with Sepp Blatter last sunday. </p>
<p>First, it was carried live on the SABC, a bit odd for that type of news conference.<br />
Most tellingly, he said he knows who will be in governent next year and would not be telling us. Now WTF was that statement about?</p>
<p>But if people think that he is down and out, they need to look closer at public sentiment. I would also think that tonight, he will use his public address to show the nation that he is the responsible leader who is saving the country from the irresponsible actions of his dismissal.</p>
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