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		<title>By: UK9</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/cape-town-a-racist-city/#comment-56757</link>
		<dc:creator>UK9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mandy; Your judgement is far from fair. You&#039;re judging the entire northern suburb based on one womens decision? firstly they let you in already, so was that racist? of course not. secondly, If they were filming an advert you need to take into consideration that they may have who they want in an add. Be it whatever color, it&#039;s not racist but perhaps your friends did not appeal to the image she wanted for her club. That&#039;s not to say your friends are ugly in any way, and not to say that it was right of her; but most clubs actually discriminate, they all have their images that they sell so it probbaly didn&#039;t have anything to do with your friends skin color. Had that been the case they wouldn&#039;t have let your friends through the door, nevermind come into the club and stay.

People always have one bad experience and nail it down to racism, and then paint everyone with the same brush. So one white is racist and all whites are then racist within the 50 km radius of that racist white. you should also take into consideration that like you said, you are young and therefore you don&#039;t actually experience much with racism. Black people are just as racist as white people, but that&#039;s not to say ALL are racist either. you will always get racist people but this post was all about pointing the finger at white people as a nation, and blaming YOU, not just a few people, for all the troubles in the country. the man who posted this message had already suggested in one post that YOU should be made to pay additional taxes because you are white. would you like to pay double tax? if you don&#039;t work yet trust me YOU WON&#039;T want to pay that tax, and would feel disgusted that anyone should suggest that you should based on the color of your skin.

so you had one bad experience at a club because they were filming. Try going there again with your friends and see what happens when they are not filming, if the same thing occurs then just don&#039;t bother going. 

there are clubs that cater for blacks only, with their music and their type of entertaintment, it is absolutely fine for the same to occur with white people, we are different and don&#039;t enjoy the same thing, so if there are clubs out there that are for whites then so be it, right of admission is reserved. It&#039;s not racist, just a business targetting a specific age or race group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mandy; Your judgement is far from fair. You&#8217;re judging the entire northern suburb based on one womens decision? firstly they let you in already, so was that racist? of course not. secondly, If they were filming an advert you need to take into consideration that they may have who they want in an add. Be it whatever color, it&#8217;s not racist but perhaps your friends did not appeal to the image she wanted for her club. That&#8217;s not to say your friends are ugly in any way, and not to say that it was right of her; but most clubs actually discriminate, they all have their images that they sell so it probbaly didn&#8217;t have anything to do with your friends skin color. Had that been the case they wouldn&#8217;t have let your friends through the door, nevermind come into the club and stay.</p>
<p>People always have one bad experience and nail it down to racism, and then paint everyone with the same brush. So one white is racist and all whites are then racist within the 50 km radius of that racist white. you should also take into consideration that like you said, you are young and therefore you don&#8217;t actually experience much with racism. Black people are just as racist as white people, but that&#8217;s not to say ALL are racist either. you will always get racist people but this post was all about pointing the finger at white people as a nation, and blaming YOU, not just a few people, for all the troubles in the country. the man who posted this message had already suggested in one post that YOU should be made to pay additional taxes because you are white. would you like to pay double tax? if you don&#8217;t work yet trust me YOU WON&#8217;T want to pay that tax, and would feel disgusted that anyone should suggest that you should based on the color of your skin.</p>
<p>so you had one bad experience at a club because they were filming. Try going there again with your friends and see what happens when they are not filming, if the same thing occurs then just don&#8217;t bother going. </p>
<p>there are clubs that cater for blacks only, with their music and their type of entertaintment, it is absolutely fine for the same to occur with white people, we are different and don&#8217;t enjoy the same thing, so if there are clubs out there that are for whites then so be it, right of admission is reserved. It&#8217;s not racist, just a business targetting a specific age or race group.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandy</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/cape-town-a-racist-city/#comment-56755</link>
		<dc:creator>Mandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lived in Cape Town my whole life. I am still young so didnt really experience serious racism and apartheid. I never thought racism was still rive in the city until I noticed it recently. It was what I call &quot;apartheid in northern suburbs clubs&quot;. Firstly, I go to this club all the time with white and coloured friends and I enjoyed myself each time having no issues with getting in. My colleague (black) invited me to her house warming party (she recently moved to the northern suburbs) and I suggested we go to the said club (Living Room night club Bellville). We got dressed (to impress) and went through to the club. The bouncers let us in but the owner (white oldish lady) stopped us at the door. She allowed my other coloured friend and myself in but when I wanted to pay for my 3 black friends to come in and join us she stopped and openly said &quot;if these 3 are with you you will have to sit downstairs, I am filming an advert upstairs and I told everyone to come dressed hot to get into MY club). 

We went in. I was shocked and we spoke about the ladies attitude a bit.  But then I started looking upstairs to what the other patrons were wearing. They had on jeans and tops, flat shoes, etc. And my friends and I were dressed in cocktail outfits and massive heels. I realised it was straight racism/apartheid. Me and my black friends were forced to sit downstairs while the coloureds and whites sat upstairs. I was SHOCKED! to say the least. We left soon after coming in. Is the northern suburbs of Cape Town this racist? Or is it specific to the old white generation (owner) that still treat black people like they need to be hidden?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in Cape Town my whole life. I am still young so didnt really experience serious racism and apartheid. I never thought racism was still rive in the city until I noticed it recently. It was what I call &#8220;apartheid in northern suburbs clubs&#8221;. Firstly, I go to this club all the time with white and coloured friends and I enjoyed myself each time having no issues with getting in. My colleague (black) invited me to her house warming party (she recently moved to the northern suburbs) and I suggested we go to the said club (Living Room night club Bellville). We got dressed (to impress) and went through to the club. The bouncers let us in but the owner (white oldish lady) stopped us at the door. She allowed my other coloured friend and myself in but when I wanted to pay for my 3 black friends to come in and join us she stopped and openly said &#8220;if these 3 are with you you will have to sit downstairs, I am filming an advert upstairs and I told everyone to come dressed hot to get into MY club). </p>
<p>We went in. I was shocked and we spoke about the ladies attitude a bit.  But then I started looking upstairs to what the other patrons were wearing. They had on jeans and tops, flat shoes, etc. And my friends and I were dressed in cocktail outfits and massive heels. I realised it was straight racism/apartheid. Me and my black friends were forced to sit downstairs while the coloureds and whites sat upstairs. I was SHOCKED! to say the least. We left soon after coming in. Is the northern suburbs of Cape Town this racist? Or is it specific to the old white generation (owner) that still treat black people like they need to be hidden?</p>
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		<title>By: UK9</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/cape-town-a-racist-city/#comment-53657</link>
		<dc:creator>UK9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 07:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow, Pierre likes to voice his opinion quite a bit, must feel special. read a few of his articles, he&#039;s either black or works for the ANC, as he&#039;s view points are ALWAYS against white people.

as for stupid remarks like &quot;white people are trying to maintain white superiority&quot;. OF COURSE THEY ARE, would YOU suddenly quite your job so that someone else can take it, just to be fair? stop being so narrow sighted people, i am white, and i can tell you one thing is for sure, whites don&#039;t give a damn about whites. The rich, black OR White, seek to maintain their own power. this is not about black and white, it&#039;s about the rich taking advantage of the poor under the guise of racial discrimination.

you think people like Malema give a damn about people living in squatter camps? they throw a bit of money their way when elections come and then forget them later again. that&#039;s black people in power, while white rich people hog money to themselves and hire whoever is cheapest, regardless of color.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, Pierre likes to voice his opinion quite a bit, must feel special. read a few of his articles, he&#8217;s either black or works for the ANC, as he&#8217;s view points are ALWAYS against white people.</p>
<p>as for stupid remarks like &#8220;white people are trying to maintain white superiority&#8221;. OF COURSE THEY ARE, would YOU suddenly quite your job so that someone else can take it, just to be fair? stop being so narrow sighted people, i am white, and i can tell you one thing is for sure, whites don&#8217;t give a damn about whites. The rich, black OR White, seek to maintain their own power. this is not about black and white, it&#8217;s about the rich taking advantage of the poor under the guise of racial discrimination.</p>
<p>you think people like Malema give a damn about people living in squatter camps? they throw a bit of money their way when elections come and then forget them later again. that&#8217;s black people in power, while white rich people hog money to themselves and hire whoever is cheapest, regardless of color.</p>
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		<title>By: Loudly South African</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/cape-town-a-racist-city/#comment-45960</link>
		<dc:creator>Loudly South African</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 13:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a specific white dominated culture. In a place like Cape Town still dominated by a white hegemonic culture&quot;

Gee, Prof.
Obviously, as a man of integrity, you are going to quit your cushy state supported job at UCT so that a black professor can replace you and implement transformation.

It is one thing to write propaganda pieces for President 783&#039;s &quot;do as I say don&#039;t do&quot; party - it is another to take the obvious next step.  I am waiting with bated breath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a specific white dominated culture. In a place like Cape Town still dominated by a white hegemonic culture&#8221;</p>
<p>Gee, Prof.<br />
Obviously, as a man of integrity, you are going to quit your cushy state supported job at UCT so that a black professor can replace you and implement transformation.</p>
<p>It is one thing to write propaganda pieces for President 783&#8242;s &#8220;do as I say don&#8217;t do&#8221; party &#8211; it is another to take the obvious next step.  I am waiting with bated breath.</p>
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		<title>By: 16 years into our democracy and the DA still doesn&#8217;t get it &#171; Boos from the Pews</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/cape-town-a-racist-city/#comment-41600</link>
		<dc:creator>16 years into our democracy and the DA still doesn&#8217;t get it &#171; Boos from the Pews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2011 22:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] DA is told that black professionals feel that Cape Town is a racist city, their leader Helen Zille dismisses it as ANC propaganda. When the residents in the Makhaza area bemoaned having to use toilets without walls and the Human [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] DA is told that black professionals feel that Cape Town is a racist city, their leader Helen Zille dismisses it as ANC propaganda. When the residents in the Makhaza area bemoaned having to use toilets without walls and the Human [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Maggs Naidu - maggsnaidu@hotmail.com</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/cape-town-a-racist-city/#comment-40431</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggs Naidu - maggsnaidu@hotmail.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Dec 2010 09:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Twenty years after Nelson Mandela walked to freedom in &lt;b&gt;Cape Town, the city is about to become one of the last in the world to name a street after the former South African president&lt;/b&gt;.

But in the wake of years of infighting, that has already cost one mayor his job, &lt;b&gt;the home of the country&#039;s parliament will not give the 92-year-old anti-apartheid hero a grand city-centre thoroughfare&lt;/b&gt;. Nelson Mandela Boulevard will simply replace Eastern Boulevard, a fast three-lane carriageway that descends into the city just after the junction of Settlers&#039; Way and (Cecil) Rhodes Drive.&lt;/i&gt;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/26/cape-town-nelson-mandela-street</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Twenty years after Nelson Mandela walked to freedom in <b>Cape Town, the city is about to become one of the last in the world to name a street after the former South African president</b>.</p>
<p>But in the wake of years of infighting, that has already cost one mayor his job, <b>the home of the country&#8217;s parliament will not give the 92-year-old anti-apartheid hero a grand city-centre thoroughfare</b>. Nelson Mandela Boulevard will simply replace Eastern Boulevard, a fast three-lane carriageway that descends into the city just after the junction of Settlers&#8217; Way and (Cecil) Rhodes Drive.</i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/26/cape-town-nelson-mandela-street" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/26/cape-town-nelson-mandela-street</a></p>
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		<title>By: Science student</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/cape-town-a-racist-city/#comment-37229</link>
		<dc:creator>Science student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 10:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, so I see that what I said could maybe been seen as classic case of &quot;playing the victim&quot;. To a certain degree this is true, because I have not, as yet, done anything to address my grievances. On the other hand, however, my main problem is with the way this institution is run. Say for example our ethos was rich with the ideology of non-racialism (as opposed to multi- racialism) and serious attempts were being made by top structures to restore a sense of commonality and dignity to a historically divided society- those in charge would, in effect, begin to see things differently and thus act differently. Apart from a few individuals, this place is rife with white bureaucracy, and if this is to remain on its current course no real, lasting change would ever be felt! This is how, generation after generation, we slowly accept the status quo until it has become a daily ritual, manifesting in our thoughts, actions and perceptions. New students need to be aware that, when they enter this university, their education is more than obtaining a degree but it is supposed to equip one with the proper critical faculties and (in the unique South African context) turn the student into a full human being. A human being devoid of inferiority complexes as well as shedding the security of their sense of superiority. That&#039;s all it is really, behaving in a superior way provides nothing but a sense of security to the individual. The rich will, forever, hold on tightly to their privilege and we must slap at their hands until they let go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so I see that what I said could maybe been seen as classic case of &#8220;playing the victim&#8221;. To a certain degree this is true, because I have not, as yet, done anything to address my grievances. On the other hand, however, my main problem is with the way this institution is run. Say for example our ethos was rich with the ideology of non-racialism (as opposed to multi- racialism) and serious attempts were being made by top structures to restore a sense of commonality and dignity to a historically divided society- those in charge would, in effect, begin to see things differently and thus act differently. Apart from a few individuals, this place is rife with white bureaucracy, and if this is to remain on its current course no real, lasting change would ever be felt! This is how, generation after generation, we slowly accept the status quo until it has become a daily ritual, manifesting in our thoughts, actions and perceptions. New students need to be aware that, when they enter this university, their education is more than obtaining a degree but it is supposed to equip one with the proper critical faculties and (in the unique South African context) turn the student into a full human being. A human being devoid of inferiority complexes as well as shedding the security of their sense of superiority. That&#8217;s all it is really, behaving in a superior way provides nothing but a sense of security to the individual. The rich will, forever, hold on tightly to their privilege and we must slap at their hands until they let go.</p>
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		<title>By: Science student</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/cape-town-a-racist-city/#comment-37155</link>
		<dc:creator>Science student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jee wizzz. I am a so called &quot;coloured&quot; at the University of Cape Town and people think I am being over sensitive when I make mention that perhaps it is racism that is at play here. Truth is- we all suffer exclusion- the non-whites I mean. UCT is home to the rise of the black elite and yet, even they group together with the other rich blacks and the rich whites hardly ever open their circles to anyone other that a rich white. I have found, it is only when I put on a certain display of braindeadness that I don&#039;t notice the bladdy white superiority. I could go on forever but I feel there are certain few individuals who are trying their utmost to mantain white superiority at the institution and it has it&#039;s trickle down effects- to the point where many of those in charge (lecturers, HOD&#039;s etc) all adhere to this system of racism. I see it this way- I am using this place for my education. Get done with it, get the hell out of there</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jee wizzz. I am a so called &#8220;coloured&#8221; at the University of Cape Town and people think I am being over sensitive when I make mention that perhaps it is racism that is at play here. Truth is- we all suffer exclusion- the non-whites I mean. UCT is home to the rise of the black elite and yet, even they group together with the other rich blacks and the rich whites hardly ever open their circles to anyone other that a rich white. I have found, it is only when I put on a certain display of braindeadness that I don&#8217;t notice the bladdy white superiority. I could go on forever but I feel there are certain few individuals who are trying their utmost to mantain white superiority at the institution and it has it&#8217;s trickle down effects- to the point where many of those in charge (lecturers, HOD&#8217;s etc) all adhere to this system of racism. I see it this way- I am using this place for my education. Get done with it, get the hell out of there</p>
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		<dc:creator>Gwebecimele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Gwebecimele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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