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City of Cape Town acting like vigilantes and breaching the Rule of Law

The City of Cape Town and its DA-led municipality will probably be cheered on by many members of the chattering classes (those who channel their inner Rhoda Kadalie by constantly moaning about how the country is going to the dogs under “these people”) for justifying its unlawful and inhumane treatment of poor and destitute occupiers of municipal land by first invoking an imaginary law and then by invoking a non-applicable common law rule. But no matter how the City tries to justify its actions, these evictions (conducted without first obtaining a court order) remain unlawful.

“Legal interpretation,” wrote the late Robert Cover from Yale Law School back in 1986, “takes place in a field of pain and death”, because acts of legal interpretation often impose violence upon others. So, when a court orders the eviction of penniless people from their makeshift homes, it uses the violence of the law to rob them of their dignity, turning them into potential criminals in the process. At night many homeless people are forced to break the law when they have to trespass on private property if they were to grab even a few hours of fitful sleep, often in the cold and the rain. Property rights, so it seems, are indeed invoked against the vulnerable and marginalised “in a field of pain and death”.

It is for this very reason that section 26(3) of the Constitution limits property rights by prohibiting anyone – including a municipality – from evicting someone from their home, or having their home demolished, without an order of court made after considering all the relevant circumstances. The Prevention of Illegal Eviction from and Unlawful Occupation of Land Act (PIE) gives effect to this right, but extends the right to protect all those who unlawfully occupy not only homes but also land. An unlawful occupier protected by PIE (and who can therefore not be evicted from either land or home without a court order) is defined as “a person who occupies land without the express or tacit consent of the owner or person in charge, or without any other right in law to occupy such land”. In South Africa, only a court can order the eviction of any human being from either land or from a home.

On Wednesday 1 May 2013, the City of Cape Town’s so called “Anti-Land Invasion Unit” (a name harking back to the forced removals of the Apartheid era), acting like vigilantes, demolished the homes of 125 people who had unlawfully occupied land in Philippi on the outskirts of the city. At first the city claimed that this demolition and eviction was done in accordance with the imaginary “Protection of the Possession of Property Act”. There is no such Act on the statute books in South Africa: the city had lied about its existence and about having legal backing for its eviction without obtaining a court order. After the City was caught out in this lie, it provided another justification for the unlawful eviction.

The City, enthusiastically inventing a legal argument – “in a field of pain and death” – to justify its unlawful actions, invoked the common law notion of “counter-spoliation” which, it argued, allowed a landowner to resist illegal attempts to disturb their possession without obtaining a court order. Counter spoliation allows someone to retake possession of his or her property before the person has actually been deprived of that property. For example, if a thief snatches your bag in the street and you trip the thief and take back the bag you can invoke the principle of counter spoliation. However, you cannot go to the thief’s house later that day and snatch back your bag. That would constitute an unlawful instance of vigilantism.

The City claimed that the structures were not occupied (although pictures of the evictions suggest this is not true as the personal belongings – including furniture and clothes – can clearly be seen inside the houses) and that the “Anti-Land Invasion Unit” was entitled to “continue to dismantle illegally built structures every time they are erected and before they are occupied.” But from a legal point of view, it is entirely irrelevant whether the structures were occupied or not.

In Ndlovu v Ngcobo; Bekker and Another v Jika the Supreme Court of Appeal (SCA) made it clear that PIE applies to the eviction of (who it inhumanely called) “squatters”, whom Harms JA defined as those who “unlawfully took possession of land”. In the same judgment Olivier JA referred to “the situation where an ‘informal settler’ (a squatter) moves onto vacant land without any right to do so and without the consent of the landowner or his or her agent”. In City of Cape Town v Rudolph and Others the Cape High Court correctly interpreted these statements as showing that PIE also applied to those who the City of Cape Town might call “land grabbers”.

As the PIE Act does not only protect those who occupy homes but also those who occupy land it is difficult (perhaps impossible) to see – especially in the light of the precedent of the High Court and the SCA quoted above – that even those homeless people who have settled on land and are still busy erecting informal shelters on the land they are occupying, falls outside the ambit of the protection of PIE.

This view is affirmed by the dissenting judgment in the Ndlovu case where Olivier stated that:

There seems to be general agreement that PIE applies to the situation where an informal settler (a squatter) moves onto vacant land without any right to do so and without the consent of the landowner or his or her agent. There are thousands, if not millions, of such squatters in our country. They are usually unemployed, the poorest of the poor, and live with their families in self-erected tin, cardboard or wooden shacks.

None of the reported judgments in which the application of the PIE Act was in issue proposed the interpretation put forward by the City Council that unlawful occupiers of land are only protected by the PIE Act once they erected homes and actually lived in those homes.

In the Rudolph judgment the High Court also pointed out the obvious fact that the PIE Act has now drastically curtailed the common law rules of spoliation and counter spoliation as far as property is concerned.

To hold that the common-law remedies available in our law for the eviction of unlawful occupiers exist alongside the remedies provided for in PIE, at the option of the applicant, or at all, would fundamentally undermine the overall purpose of PIE and particularly the purpose of the protections provided for therein.
The idea that an owner can avoid the peremptory provisions of PIE by electing to use the common-law remedies to evict an occupier from land must be rejected.

In Port Elizabeth Municipality v Various Occupiers (Port Elizabeth Municipality) the Constitutional Court affirmed this view that the PIE Act has now extinguished many of the common law rules relating to property, stating that through the adoption of PIE:

The former objective of reinforcing common law remedies while reducing common law protections, was reversed so as to temper common law remedies with strong procedural and substantive protections; and the overall objective of facilitating the displacement and relocation of poor and landless black people for ideological purposes was replaced by acknowledgement of the necessitous quest for homes of victims of past racist policies. While awaiting access to new housing development programmes, such homeless people had to be treated with dignity and respect.

Arguing that the PIE Act now expressly requires the court “to infuse elements of grace and compassion into the formal structures of the law”, the Court in effect said that the court had to be aware of the violence inherent in the strict application of old style property rights and had to guard against the extreme effects that homelessness and dispossession would have on the dignity of those who were not lucky enough or connected enough to have a house of their own.

It is not only the dignity of the poor that is assailed when homeless people are driven from pillar to post in a desperate quest for a place where they and their families can rest their heads. Our society as a whole is demeaned when state action intensifies rather than mitigates their marginalisation. The integrity of the rights-based vision of the Constitution is punctured when governmental action augments rather than reduces denial of the claims of the desperately poor to the basic elements of a decent existence. Hence the need for special judicial control of a process that is both socially stressful and potentially conflictual.

Of course, the PIE Act does allow the court to unleash the violence of the law on vulnerable and marginalised people who unlawfully occupy the land of others and does not prohibit a court from ordering the eviction of unlawful occupiers in certain circumstances. The capitalist system, from which us middle class citizens often benefit so handsomely, requires the law to impose some protection of property rights and the courts have to interpret and apply those legal provisions in that infamous “field of pain and death”.

But the PIE Act does prohibit the City of Cape Town’s self styled Anti-Land Invasion Unit from taking the law into its own hands – from playing God, as it were. It is not allowed to evict unlawful occupiers from land and neither is it allowed to demolish their homes unless it has obtained a court order to do so. Where a limited number of occupiers have only recently settled on private land, a court will almost always grant such an order. Where public land is in issue, the courts should be more reluctant to order the eviction. After all, where will homeless people go when evicted? It is not as if people “grab land” because they are too stingy or callous to buy a R10 million house in Clifton. They often have a stark choice: either occupy land illegally or become entirely homeless.

The claim by the City Council that it is acting under the cover of law is therefore not only anti-poor, but also – this once – untrue. When it claims otherwise, it is merely trying to avoid responsibility from flouting of the Rule of Law (the very Rule of Law which the DA claims to revere).

  • Chris

    Is this then the legal position?: If I wake up in the morning and there are 50 unoccupied tents pitched up on my front lawn I must just get into my car and go to work. I know when I return home tonight there will be 500 people living there. My taps will be running and they will be using my electricity. I must just accept it and pay the bills. In the meantime I can take an extra bond on my house to pay for the legal cost. If I’m lucky I may get an eviction order in a couple of months time or perhaps years, but by then I won’t have money to pay the sheriff to effect the eviction. But it doesn’t matter because by then I will have been sequestrated anyway.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    Rhoda Khadalie.

    You mean that “Coloured” bitch that refuses to become a second class citizen in her country South Africa and has more balls than you can ever dream of?

    Why don’t you rather do some more coolie bashing. Fucking spineless scumbag.

  • Colin

    The recent demolition of shacks at the Marikana informal settlement in Philippi by the City of Cape Town is cause for grave concern.

    I’ve been exposing the City’s questionable actions since 2005 when I became involved with the homeless people of the Bonnytoun informal settlement in Wynberg. Following several unsubstantiated lies peddled at a DA Ward 62 meeting in Constantia, the City illegally demolished these shacks in Wynberg while some of the people, including babies, were still inside them. I, together with the late Des Ross was present when this happened and we were threatened with arrest when we confronted City officials while the raid was in progress. A moron in uniform then stated that a trespassing charge had been laid against me and that I would be arrested if I did not leave. I had never set eyes on this imbecile before and to this day have never understood how the City could’ve laid/arranged a charge against me even before I had arrived on the scene!

    The matter ended up in the Cape High Court where Judge Deon van Zyl correctly ruled against the City and ordered them to rebuild the shelters (Case No. 2806/2005). Clearly, their actions were not only illegal and morally reprehensible but also unconstitutional. Ratepayers had to fork out more than R50 000 for wasted legal costs as a result of the City’s frivolous actions.

    Then, in 2006, the City again earned the ire of our backyard dwellers when they demolished the shacks of people from Khoisan Heights in that leafy suburb called Fairways. At the time, Fairways residents claimed that the property the size of 5 rugby fields should be left open for a “special development”. Seven years later, the land remains completely barren and has become a haven for criminals. All of this while the backyard dwellers of Parkwood are waiting patiently on Helen Zille, then Mayor, to make good on her public promise to relocate and find alternative housing for them (Cape Times, 19 June 2006).

    The City’s claim that they “work for you” is a pathetic bare faced and botoxed lie!

    That the DA is anti-poor is the truth!

    The actions of the City’s law enforcement agencies will not stand up to constitutional muster and the only alternative is for the Human Rights Commission to intervene immediately to protect the rights of the most disenfranchised members of our society.

    In the words of former President and ANC Comrade for life, Nelson Mandela: “As long as poverty, injustice and gross inequality persist in our world, none of us can truly rest”.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    “That the DA is anti-poor is the truth!”

    No shit sherlock. What an extraordinarily acute observer of phenomena you are.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    In the words of former President and ANC Comrade for life, Nelson Mandela: “As long as poverty, injustice and gross inequality persist in our world, none of us can truly rest”.

    The same Nelson Mandela who was a good friend of the Oppenheimer family?

  • Sibusiso

    @Chris, that is the position with regard to unoccupied land and homes. There has never been a case reported,I stand corrected on this, of informal settlers setting up tents on other peoples lawn.

    You interpretation is rather extreme and goes beyond reality. Furthermore the fact that you think homeless people would use your water and electricity is distorted. In most cases these people stay on lands that do not even have those resources and they still survive.

    All they want is to have,for a lack of a better way of putting this, a roof over their heads and sleep.

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Sipho, don’t piss down our necks and tell us its raining.

    I’ve seen it happen in Walkerville, Alberton, Princess. Squatters will move onto one sidewalk or unoccupied stand and the area becomes so dangerous for the people living there within months they have abandoned their HOME to the bondholder and other assorted crooks in desperation.

    They are actively, intentionally, displaced by robbery and murder.

    The epidemic of murder in Honeydew and Muldersdrif is a perfect case in point. The ANC allowed squatters to go viral there and were to stupid to increase SAPS manpower.

    De Vos would be better occupied pointing out the crimes committed by Jared Sacks’ innocent than feeding us crap like this: “So, when a court orders the eviction of penniless people from their makeshift homes, it uses the violence of the law to rob them of their dignity, turning them into potential criminals in the process.”

    When ‘penniless people’ decide to steal the use of that which does not belong to them they are criminals.

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    “After all, where will homeless people go when evicted?”

    Foeitog!

    Where they came from.

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    See how the principled De Vos abhors self-help?

    “However, you cannot go to the thief’s house later that day and snatch back your bag. That would constitute an unlawful instance of vigilantism.”

    Who has a fucked-up moral compass then? Isn’t bulldozing your way onto somone else’s property the ultimate manifestation of self help? And this oke argues against snatching your bag back from a thief?

  • Chris

    Sibusiso says:
    May 9, 2013 at 8:07 am

    No Sibusiso, this is not something beyond reality. I know someone in Limpopo who is in exactly that posistion, and has been for more than two years now.

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Meanwhile, Mmusi Maimane says the City of Johannesburg is giving S33 of the Constitution, Paja, and the Municipal Systems Act one big fat middle finger:

    http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71654?oid=375335&sn=Detail&pid=71616

    “Billing:

    The latest problem to hit the City is the announcement that all billing queries outstanding for longer than 90 days will be unilaterally closed. This means that billing queries – mostly lodged as a result of the billing crisis, and most unresolved due to the unresponsiveness of the billing assistance system – will be closed down, with moneys paid by the affected residents simply disappearing into the system. This is completely unacceptable and will affect many residents who through no fault of their own have incurred incorrect bills.”

    You won’t read about that here….

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Apologies, Sibusiso, for misusing your name to make a point.

    But, it should be clear to even persons of moderate intelligence that the City of Cape Town’s official meant Pie, misspoke, and that the ‘inventing a law’ accusation is the work of malicious minds.

  • Chris

    Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country? says:

    Those in the Western Cape come mostly from the Eastern Cape. It is so ironic, while the ANC et al tells is how bad the Western Cape, and Cape Town in particular is run, people from the Eastern Cape, that well known show case of ANC excellence and dominance, are streaming to that new-apartheid state in their hundreds of thousands.

  • Maggs Naidu – Have you invoked you “inner Rhoda Kadalie” today? (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    @ Pierre,

    “(the very Rule of Law which the DA claims to revere)”

    There’s the teeniest hint that you believe that they do!

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Yup. Unfortunately the ANC skin is impervious to irony.

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Here’s a laugh, Chris.

    My neighbour had a guy building for him who comes up to me Asseblief Meneer Asseblief Meneer. He comes from Tshipise, he says. Which tickles my fancy because I’ve gone hunting around Tshipise and it is a beautiful place. Turns out he ‘sokkel’. Also turns out he can’t lay a straight row of bricks. And my dad spotted him and had to make a pet of him and between them they let my Belgian Shepherd bitch out the house and she got mated which means I now have 9 puppies I did not plan.

    By the time he left I had given him what used to be my Wendy houses/pigeon loft which my neighbour’s tree fell on. His ‘friend’ charged him R400 a load to move them so I told him to put the last few panels on my bakkie rather than let him pay for another load.

    As far as we went I heard ‘Ola!’ ‘Comesta!’ ‘Bom dia!’ out the window from this guy ‘from Tshipise’. When we got to the place he was staying it turns out to be what used to be the sportsground my brother and I used to play baseball on.

    He’d already moved out the shack he was renting and built a nifty little house from my Wendys.

    If De Vos really wanted to make a difference he’d pass the hat around to hire an assassin to knock off the kleptocrats who forced people like Salvation over our borders by their pathetic governance to look for mhlungus to survive off.

  • Maggs Naidu – The DA fought apartheid! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Chris
    May 9, 2013 at 8:56 am

    Hey Chris,

    “Those in the Western Cape come mostly from the Eastern Cape.”

    Even one former premier of the EC has reportedly emigrated to the WC to get food parcels from the DA.

    “It is so ironic, while the ANC et al tells is how bad the Western Cape, and Cape Town in particular is run, people from the Eastern Cape, that well known show case of ANC excellence and dominance, are streaming to that new-apartheid state in their hundreds of thousands.”

    Is that what the DA says? Or perhaps from the last census?

    I heard that most people from the home of Mandela and Mbeki end up in largest numbers in Gauteng, followed by KZN and third to the Independent Republic of the WC – am I wrong?

  • George Gildenhuys

    I seriously do not get the DA. They know the ANC (and the so called “liberal” bloggers) is waiting for them to screw up.

    The bigger tragedy is that they didn’t take the plight of the “evictees” into account. How a party that attempts to win over the majority of South Africans can act this way is beyond belief.

    Thank God I’ve never voted DA, this is not on my conscience.

  • Chris

    Maggs Naidu – The DA fought apartheid! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) says:
    May 9, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Hey Maggs, I suppose you’ve never been in the Western Cape, have you?

  • Gwebecimele

    Bullard on politicsweb.

    “Last week newspapers reported the “plight” of a gay couple who had been snubbed by the wedding venue of their choice because of their sexuality. Forget the plight of families who can’t put food on the table and forget the plight of the terminally sick who don’t have access to medical care. Their problems are nothing compared with the plight of a gay couple who have been snubbed by a wedding venue. As far as human suffering is concerned hunger and sickness are mere inconveniences compared with the “plight” of such a snubbing. What a load of old cobblers.

    So can we all agree that not being welcomed at a wedding venue is no more a plight than a barman refusing to serve David Bullard another large Lagavulin because he has become noisy and boisterous? Good. Moving on then.”

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Colin

    Colin is right. That is why I renew my demand that the anti-poor DA “government”of CCT take a study tour to LEARN from the ANC-run Jhb and Durban municipalities how to deal with so-called “squatters” with real GRACE!

    Thanks.

  • Maggs Naidu – Have you invoked you “inner Rhoda Kadalie” today? (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Chris
    May 9, 2013 at 10:53 am

    Chris

    “Hey Maggs, I suppose you’ve never been in the Western Cape, have you?”

    No – my VISA was denied!

    Should I call the Guptas?

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ PdV

    “Of course, the PIE Act does allow the court to unleash the violence of the law on vulnerable and marginalised people who unlawfully occupy the land of others”

    Pierre is right. But, because I know that all politics is ultimately personal, I am convinced that, were Professor de Vos to come home after a long day at the law school to find that a destitute family with children camping out in his bedroom, he would understand the need to eschew VIOLENCE — at least until a court had carefully considered, inter alia, the availability of alternative accommodation for these vulnerable people!

    Thanks.

  • Gwebecimele
  • Pierre De Vos

    Chris Harrison provides factual background to the above post and the false claims of the City: http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/opinionista/2013-05-09-sacks-the-city/#.UYt7U9d5M7H

  • tim

    I don’t think that the cases cited show the municipality’s position on counter-spoliation to be wrong (although I agree that the initial response was BS).

    I don’t read the references to “moving onto land” as implying that the mere movement onto the land gives rise to a right against removal from that land. The PIE Act itself defines eviction as “depriving a person of occupation of a building or structure, or the land on which such building or structure is erected…”.

    You can’t seriously suggest that one is not entitled to prevent someone illegally establishing a home on your property.

    Is Prof De Vos suggesting that a person “occupies” whatever space they presently find themselves in? Does PIE neutralise trespassing laws?

    Is “all property theft”?

  • Chris

    Maggs Naidu – Have you invoked you “inner Rhoda Kadalie” today? (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) says:
    May 9, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Hey Maggs, just relocate to the Eastern Cape. You will soon see yourself leaving the ANC utopia to go and squad somewhere else, no matter what what they say about your Visa, Mastercard or American Express!

  • Sibusiso

    @Tim: good argument raised,however, if you consider para 3 of the article above,then it is clear that the Anti-land unit demolished already established shacks. The use of the word “demolished” is also suggestive of the fact that these people had already established some occupation on the said land. The City acted without any court order and this is prohibited by second 26(3) of the Constitution(refer to para 2 of the article).

    The City did not find these people moving in or find them in the stages of establishing their shacks. The city demolished already established shacks and as such it cannot be said they were preventing any occupation but were rather removing the occupation of land.

  • Colin

    It is indeed a pity when people are so blinded by their prejudice that they do not respond to the facts that speaks for itself. Prof de Vos must be commended for confronting the DA with prima facie facts. It must be clear for anyone with an average IQ that the City of Cape Town (read DA) has clearly violated the letter of the Constitution; yet there are still those who defend them with their “trailer” attitudes – we really need to move on from this “ossewa brandwag” type of mentality.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Brett (Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?)

    Brett, yes it is possible that ANC does not realise how bad they are. In fact, I would vote with the DA to go back to APARTHEID – if it was not so UNCHRISTIAN!

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Colin, you are right. I find it best to ignore the low-IQ fools on this blog.

    But since PdV never wastes his time answering my own stupid challenges, let me ask you how YOU would respond if you came home to find a group of destitute families, with kids, huddled on you carpet. Can you PROMISE me you would not call in the DA controlled law enforcement types to evict them?

    Thanks.

  • Colin

    Mikhail, for now I will focus on the facts and, the facts are that the Marikana settlement is an OPEN piece of land.

    It is sin that the DA led administration in the WC have FAILED to address the plight of the homeless and backyard dwellers.

    I am confronted on a daily basis with huge tracts of land that are lying open and completely barren.

    And then the City of Cape Town (read DA) “moves” R80m of this year’s unspent budget to next year’s budget!!!

    What for Mikhail?

    Why not build houses?

    After 7 long years, that piece of ground in Fairways is still lying open Mikhail because the DA’s supporters had earmarked it for “special development”.

    The only recent development on that barren piece of land was the discovery of the body of 12 year old murder victim, Jennifer Williams.

    It did not escape my attention that several DA politicians were seated in prominent positions at the church at her funeral (anything to get their photos on the front page).

    “Know your DA”? – I rest my case

    http://ewn.co.za/2013/01/31/Murdered-girl-laid-to-rest

  • Zoo Keeper

    PIE is an unmitigated fuck up.

    ESTA is also an unmitigated fuck up.

    However, they are on the statute books and must be adhered to.

    The question actually arises as to what is a “home”. A structure put up one hour ago and into which the squatter-to-be is frantically moving his stuff is not a home. In this case, the doctrine of “hot pursuit” is certainly in the hands of the land owner.

    So if they were in the process of occupation, kicking them off is not a problem. Yes, Professor, you can prevent someone in the act of occupying by kicking the fucker off – that is perfectly legal.

    The law does not countenance that one must stand idly by whilst another takes your land in your face. Once you have allowed the occupier space to remain however, then things change and you gotta use PIE.

    If you are sharp on your court work its 6 weeks till the squatter is sent back where he came from.

    This is one thing that is often forgotten – these people came from somewhere. They didn’t drop out of the ether and we must now accommodate them. They have come from somewhere they can go back to.

    Anyway, I agree with Willis J on PIE.

    What a complete fuck up.

    It was designed solely to deal with cases of genuine squatters but has invaded all aspects of property law because the lot who drafted it sucked at their job.

    PIE is an indication of legislation drafted by those who have no concept of private property and economics.

  • beetle

    I’m all for eugenics. We should give preferential access to housing, medical and school facilities, to COUPLES who have only one or two max children.
    The current squatters either have a bun in the oven or one hanging on a tit, sired by the usual absentee stud. In five years time the expanded population will scream for a school, and infrastructure such as roads, sanitation and electrification.
    Town planning does not happen willy-nilly. It has to be ordered and requires to utilise existing/ or add on to existing ifrastructure, working within the constraints of a budget.
    Go do the math.

  • beetle

    I’m all for eugenics. We should give preferential access to housing, medical and school facilities, to COUPLES who have only one or two max children.
    Some squatters either have a bun in the oven or one hanging on a tit, sired by the usual absentee stud. In five years time the expanded population will scream for a school, and infrastructure such as roads, sanitation and electrification.
    Town planning does not happen willy-nilly. It has to be ordered and requires to utilise existing/ or add on to existing ifrastructure, working within the constraints of a budget.
    Go do the math.

  • beetle

    I’m all for eugenics. We should give preferential access to housing, medical and school facilities, to COUPLES who have only one or two max children.
    Some squatters either have a bun in the oven or one hanging on a tit, possibly sired by the usual absentee studs. In five years time the expanded population will scream for a school, and infrastructure such as roads, sanitation and electrification.
    Town planning does not happen willy-nilly. It has to be ordered and requires to utilise existing/ or add on to existing ifrastructure, working within the constraints of a limited and overextended budget.
    Go do the math.

  • beetle

    Connection problems!

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Colin

    I am sure you are right about all that political stuff.

    Now please answer my question.

    Thanks.

  • spoiler

    @ Zook +1. PIE offers little real assistance to tenants and other illegal occupants other than to provide an opportunity for delaying the inevitable. In so doing the innocent owner incurs costs and finds their land or building trashed while the guilty parties disappear.

    Colin how much of the housing issues in CT are national government related rather than the DA’s fault? Genuine question, I have no idea.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    Gwebecimele May 9, 2013 at 11:03 am

    Bullard on politicsweb.

    “Last week newspapers reported the “plight” of a gay couple who had been snubbed by the wedding venue of their choice because of their sexuality. Forget the plight of families who can’t put food on the table and forget the plight of the terminally sick who don’t have access to medical care. Their problems are nothing compared with the plight of a gay couple who have been snubbed by a wedding venue. As far as human suffering is concerned hunger and sickness are mere inconveniences compared with the “plight” of such a snubbing. What a load of old cobblers.”

    True enough. The hallmark of a very decadent and rather disgusting variety of fascism. The battle for survival of “the poor” no more or less a plight than rich people being snubbed and feeling their ego slightly dented.

    Way to feel real is to have another go at the [white heterosexual male] dominated DA pretending they really care about “the poor”. Not at the noble Black ruling party who share the same economic policies and who just had the butcher of Marikana elected as their deputy president. No rather indulge in xenopbobic attacks on minorities and blame the White males, or the Boers, or the Jews or the Guptas. The people are stupid enough not to notice the lies and the deceit.

  • Dmwangi

    @Brett:

    100,000. You’ve been busy?:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22464360

  • Maggs Naidu – Have you invoked you “inner Rhoda Kadalie” today? (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Chris
    May 9, 2013 at 13:08 pm

    Well Right-Wing-Guy, perhaps I will!

    “Hey Maggs, just relocate to the Eastern Cape.”

    http://photography.nationalgeographic.com/photography/photo-of-the-day/sunset-south-africa/

  • Chris

    Maggs Naidu – Have you invoked you “inner Rhoda Kadalie” today? (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    May 9, 2013 at 19:12 pm

    So you consider moving to the windy city then? Ask Dali Mpofu before you go!

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Mwangi, I can’t hid it – I’m delighted! This issue shows up all the hypocrisy of the progressive scum and sends shivers down their backs.

    They’re not really interested in punishing the crime – perhaps this will sharpen their focus?

    If you look at Jared Sacks’ article, resisting arrest is small beer. Chucking rocks at the cops? Diversionary tactics. Public violence? What is that when you’re among friends?

    Snatching you bag back from a bagsnatcher? Oooh behave!
    Owning a gun? Evil!

    Now everyone can make his own, and our hypocritical progressives might get the opportunity – in spades – to re-examine their lack of principle and silence in the face of Willem Adriaan DuBuisson’s 15 year sentence – thanks to his useless legal aid representation – and the Rbillion black-hole Firearms Control Act they all advocated – for making trap-guns to kill jackal, in the privacy of his garage.

  • Maggs Naidu – Have you invoked you “inner Rhoda Kadalie” today? (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    What the heck is Minister Sisulu smoking????

    “menzi simelane @simelaneme

    On ethics: unfortunate that we started on a false step of creating a culture of entitlement by emphasizing rights – Min Sisulu BMF/Tshwane

    8:02 PM – 9 May 13

    menzi simelane @simelaneme

    Corruption is measured in relation to the morality of our people.If they find it unacceptable then it is unacceptable – Min. Sisulu, MP.”

    9:52 AM – 9 May 13

  • Maggs Naidu – GOSA is FUBAR! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – Answer Question 9!
    May 9, 2013 at 19:51 pm

    Hey Goofy,

    “to re-examine their lack of principle and silence in the face of Willem Adriaan DuBuisson’s 15 year sentence”

    Going on like a stuck record over Du Buisson will not change the fact that GOSA did not intervene in what you claim is a matter of utmost relevance to them.

    Wankers!!!!!!!!!!

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    I’m warning you now, Maggs! You’re inducing a major sulk here.

  • Maggs Naidu – GOSA is FUBAR! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – ANC will rule until Sausage Guy comes!
    May 9, 2013 at 20:41 pm

    Brett

    “I’m warning you now, Maggs! You’re inducing a major sulk here.”

    Fortunately that’s not going to be a challenge.

    Ma and Chris the Right-Wing-Guy are going to spend a romantic weekend just for two in the Hogsback in the beautiful Eastern Cape.

    We’re taking Dmwangi with – he wants to come out of the wardrobe!

    Do join us – let’s share the UBUNTU!

    WDYSTT?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country? May 9, 2013 at 19:51 pm

    What is most appaling is that we have a new prez in Kenya that has been indicted before ICC for commiting crimes against humanity. We have the deputy prez of our ruling party implicit in orchestrating a massacre involving 34 dead. We have a friend of the mafia appointed NPC serving less than a month. We had countless evictions of “the poor” under ANC government. We just had some of our young men killed fighting a war that nobody knows about and have zero impact on our peopes lives.

    This is the monumental fuckup that they call “justice” and “human rights” in Africa. But what does our White liberals do? As always these pathetic, self-loathing cunts blame it all on White.

    The “white male dominated ” DA forgot to pay a spot fine.

    Woo-fucking-boo. Forgive me if I have to laugh and present you useless cunts with my proudly white middle finger.

  • Colin

    @ Mikhail, “let me ask you how YOU would respond if you came home to find a group of destitute families, with kids, huddled on you carpet. Can you PROMISE me you would not call in the DA controlled law enforcement types to evict them?” –

    Mikhail, I decline to comment on hypothetical issues. Prof de Vos has clearly articulated his argument at hand which relates to open land (not someone’s occupied private house). It is a crime, no – correction, a sin that there is so much open land lying completely barren when there are so many people living in dire poverty in “squatter” camps (or “temporary relocation areas” as the DA prefers to call them).

    Given the DA’s newly inherited struggle credentials (in time for 2014), perhaps they should spend some time reading up on the Freedom Charter which states, inter alia that “We, the People of South Africa, declare for all our country and the world to know that South Africa belongs to all who live in it, black and white; that our people have been robbed of their birthright to land” and, most importantly, “that all shall have the right to occupy land wherever they choose”.

    @ Spoiler, “how much of the housing issues in CT are national government related rather than the DA’s fault? Genuine question, I have no idea” –

    Spoiler, the land that I’m referring to has got zilch to so with the National Govt (read ANC). It has everything to do with the DA administration and is owned by the City and Province (read DA).

    By way of example, I understand that there is a huge development taking place at Rondebosch Common. I’ve been told that millions have been allocated for the building of a bicycle track. What is more important? A bicycle track or housing for the poor? You cannot play the “swart gevaar” card to force people to vote for you but then banish them to the periphery of the City to house them in “temporary relocation areas”.

    Build houses for the poor in the leafy suburbs of Fairways, Zeekoeivlei, Newlands, Bishopscourt, Fernwood and the Atlantic seaboard. Not in Happy Valley, Blikkiesdorp et al several kilometres away from the CBD and their work places!

    I’m not afraid to confront the truth and to call a spade a spade. That is why Zille has given notice of her intention to sue me.

    But, as we sang back in the days of the struggle – “We shall not be moved”.

    The Bible is very clear about this – “Do not be afraid to speak out, nor allow yourself to be silenced” (Acts 18:9)

  • Alibama

    Father, I have sinned – again.
    I couldn’t force myself to wade thru’ the woosie adjectives about the
    poowha, to find possible pointers to my question, which IS:-
    * so they need a Court order,
    * is it true that to demolish occupied brick houses, that the Sheriff
    must also attend?
    * [then] would the sheriff’s office have a record of such attendance?
    * and still available after 5 years [Like the US cops claim to have]?
    * could ‘an application’ suceed, based on no such sheriff record existing?

    ==Thanks for any info.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    Colin May 10, 2013 at 7:02 am

    You are truely hilarious Collin. Did you “struggle” to have a ANC deputy who ask the police to massacre workers. Or to spend 40 bil on buying military hardware to what – invade CAR?

    It s retarded rainwashed White/coloureds/Guptas like you that still support and majr apologies for these corrupt motherfuckers that is part of the problem. But dear Colin open your eyes and watch what is happening boet, soner or later you are going to see the light. And it is quite liberating when that happens.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Colin

    “Mikhail, I decline to comment on hypothetical issues.”

    Fair enough, Colin. But could you then comment on another pressing and non-hypothetical question:

    Just how soon can we arrange for a delegation of Cape Town City (read DA) housing officials to visit Johannesburg housing officials (read ANC), so the DA types can LEARN valuable lessons from the ANC types all about how to deal in a humane manner with landless people?

    Thanks.

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    I’ve been sending this about. Help it go viral:

    Guys, please withdraw your patronage from Woolworths this weekend?

    That’s right, I am going to sacrifice my pecan nougat. You might want to reconsider your commitment to Standard Bank too.

    It is my view that the biggest contributing factor to the murder of 68 000 white South Africans since 1994 has been the unrelenting racial mobilisation of the ANC. The ANC’s racial mobilisation peaked during the last Municipal Election campaign. It did irreparable harm to race relations in this country. You might have seen – as an example – The Saturday Star report that malls in Soweto had reverberated to chants of ‘Kill the Boer’.

    Key in the ANC’s strategy to fan the flames of racial hatred to misdirect attention from its own corruption and sometimes murderous maladministration are its founding myths about historical wrongs: Events we can do little about now. In particular it likes rewriting history to rehash Bantu Education and land redustribution to cast white South Africans in the worst possible light.

    This is the Centenary year of the promulgation of the 1913 Land Act. Next year sees a general election scheduled. The ANC is going to turn up the volume and resort to more racial mobilisation as it becomes increasingly clear that we are sitting with a government that cares little about the country.

    You will never see the ANC provide the context, for example, that when the 1913 Land Act was promulgated the black population was 1/10th of the size it is now. The ANC always casts our national dilemmas in the crudest possible terms: Evil ‘Whites’ crammed 87% of the population (50 million people) onto 13% of the land.

    With respect to that other favourite ANC hobby horse – Bantu Education – there have been well researched scholarly articles published lately that must have the effect of defusing polarization and tension and cooling the flames of racial hatred by providing the facts and context instead of allowing the ANC to rewrite reality:

    http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=326297&sn=Detail

    and

    http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=323686&sn=Detail&pid=71619

    Where the 1913 Land Act is concerned, however, our constitutional scholars have been much more lax. Or politically correct. Or they simply do not care about using facts and context to defuse unnecessary racial polarization.

    The Web journal Politicsweb tried to grasp the nettle to ensure excellent scholarly research is done into the Land Act – similar to that Professor Giliomee did with respect to Bantu Education.

    They tried to get funding for research like that from the Open Society Foundation of South Africa:

    http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=375690&sn=Detail&pid=71616

    And got turned down. For reasons you can find above.

    Look at that Board.

    Surely the means can be found somehow for research that is in the interest of our country and all of us?

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    That is, if Pierre’s spam-blocker cooperates!

  • Maggs Naidu – Jesus spelled backwards sounds like sausage! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Colin
    May 10, 2013 at 7:02 am

    Hey Colin

    “The Bible is very clear about this – “Do not be afraid to speak out, nor allow yourself to be silenced” (Acts 18:9)”

    And our CJ Mogoeng-squared is was appointed by god as the third most powerful person in South Africa!

    WDYSTT?

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?
  • Chris

    Maggs Naidu – Jesus spelled backwards sounds like sausage! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) says:
    May 10, 2013 at 10:28 am
    “And our CJ Mogoeng-squared is was appointed by god as the third most powerful person in South Africa!”

    You are wrong again Maggs.
    The Chief Justice is the SECOND most powerfull person in South Africa!

  • Maggs Naidu – Zuma knows what he is doing! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Chris
    May 10, 2013 at 12:14 pm

    Eish Right-Wing-Guy,

    “The Chief Justice is the SECOND most powerfull person in South Africa!”

    So let’s see :

    #1 – god Guptas
    #2 – ZUMA Mogoeng-squared
    #3 – Malema -> Mogoeng-squared – >god?

    Where does that leave our esteemed president?

  • Maggs Naidu – Zuma knows what he is doing! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Tutu: I will not be able to vote for the ANC

    “I’m not a card-carrying member of any political party. I have over the years voted for the ANC, but I would very sadly not be able to vote for them after the way things have gone.

    We really need a change. The ANC was very good at leading us in the struggle to be free from oppression. They were a good freedom-fighting unit. But it doesn’t seem to me now that a freedom-fighting unit can ­easily make the transition to becoming a political party.”

    http://mg.co.za/article/2013-05-17-00-where-did-our-future-go-asks-tutu

  • Hoof_Hearted

    26 March 2013

    JOHANNESBURG – The City of Johannesburg on Tuesday said it obtained a court order to evict people whose rent is in arrears of more than R100,000.

    Residents of at least five households were evicted in Kliptown, south of Johannesburg, on Monday.

    City spokesperson Ben Bovu said more people will be evicted if they fail to make arrangements with the Department of Housing.

    I guess the secret is just to never pay any rent at all …then one apparently has the right to occupy the space ;-/

  • Hoof_Hearted

    Seems the CoCT should really make a plan and organise that visit to CoJ in the near future so the can learn how to really fsk the poor properly and then ignore court orders issued instructing them to pull some finger

    check out http://www.saflii.org/za/cases/ZAGPJHC/2013/98.html – Hlophe and Others v City of Johannesburg

    The City of Johannesburg has known of its general obligations to provide temporary shelter to occupiers since February 2010 when the decision in Blue Moonlight Properties 39 (Pty) Ltd was handed down; has known of its specific obligations to these particular identified occupiers since December 2011 when the decision in Blue Moonlight Properties was handed down by the Constiutional Court. Nothing has been sprung upon the City which has undergone a gradual process of enlightenment. There has been opportunity to absorb the import of the court decisions; to understand the role which the City is required to play in sheltering these occupiers, to prepare the appropriate response which the Constitution and the courts have placed upon the City.

  • Hoof_Hearted

    so where was Pierretjie when this also went down in Durbs?

    “All of a sudden he started taking the house apart without saying anything. I was told by the committee that has been advocating for the demolishing of homes that I would get hurt if I refused to go. I have had to send my children to my parents,” she said yesterday as eThekwini mayor James Nxumalo visited the area because of anger over evictions.

    Earlier, the Democratic Alliance complained about the situation in Cato Crest, claiming that no court order had been granted for the evictions and that temporary accommodation had not been provided for the occupants of the 50 homes which had been demolished in the area recently.

    Sibusiso Gumede, chairperson for Human Settlement and Infrastructure in the eThekwini council believes the situation is being politicised.

  • Hoof_Hearted

    Shabalala said she was saddened by the fact that when government needed their help and their votes, they were considered to be part of the community.

    But when it came to development, they were sidelined.

    Gee … who woulda thunk it /*rollseyes_heavanward

  • Colin

    Hello Maggs. The reason why I quoted that particular piece of scripture (Acts 18:9) was to draw attention to the hypocrisy that the DA is. On the one hand they are all for freedom of speech (remember – they need to now prove their newly found struggle credentials) but totally against the Secrecy Bill. They even imported 2 judges from JHB to shut Judge Nathan Erasmus up (remember the Erasmus Commission?). I wonder what it was that his Lordship stumbled upon that irked the DA so much that they had to close the Commission down. And then when I do confront your Botox Queen with prima facie facts that will stand up in a Court of Law, she slaps me with legal action. Errrrrr ….. is there something that I am missing here? Prof de Vos has clearly opened a can of worms if one considers the abusive comments of some bloggers. Reminds me of their trailer mentality – real ossewa brandwag stuff, Western Cape style . So, ozoneblue – Hamba kahle Boetie!!!!!!

  • Hoof_Hearted

    So long as the people doing the evicting are the black okes in charge and not those awful white usurpers down there in the Cape then it’s all good hey?
    WDYS Prof?

    Chaos erupted in Durban’s Sea Cow Lake area yesterday as police clashed with informal dwellers, who were burning tyres and logs in an illegal protest.

    The protesters would not allow people to go to work.

    The protest, during which roads were blockaded, was sparked by the demolition of the informal residents’ shacks by the Housing Department and the municipality.

    A representative of the Siyathuthuka informal settlement, Freedom Mncama, said before he was arrested with about 11 others: “We have been living here for 13 years, but they are demolishing our homes without giving us alternative accommodation. We have children here. Where must they go?”

    Mncama said that some shacks were demolished two weeks ago and the municipal shack demolishing unit had on Wednesday marked more shacks with red crosses to be demolished.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Colin

    “[The DA] even imported 2 judges from JHB to shut Judge Nathan Erasmus up”

    Colin, I suspect you are right. You have cleared up three facts as to which I had the wrong impression:

    1. I thought it was the Judge President, not the DA, that decided to bring in two judges from another division in the Erasmus Commission case.

    2. I thought also that it was standard practice to bring in judges from a different division where the case directly concerns a judge in this division.

    3. Finally, I got the idea that the two judges were imported from KZN, not Jhb.

    Thank you for helping me get the FACTS straight!

  • Maggs Naidu – The DA fought apartheid! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Colin
    May 10, 2013 at 13:44 pm

    Colin – I suspect that our Constitution is sufficient.

    Deferring to religion creates the impression that we are on rather shaky ground.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Hoof-Hearted

    With respect, you cannot compare the necessary police action in Durban with the ATROCITIES committed by the DA in CT. The province (read ANC) and municipality (read ANC), on Durban have always acted in a manner informed by GRACE and UBUNTU, in response to stubborn bandits and hooligans who have REFUSED perfectly nice alternative accommodation generously offered by the council!

    Thanks.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    Colin May 10, 2013 at 13:44 pm

    “reminds me of their trailer mentality – real ossewa brandwag stuff, Western Cape style . So, ozoneblue – Hamba kahle Boetie!!!!!!”

    Yes. Im white trash and fuck you too. But I will never forget 1922.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    Hoof_Hearted May 10, 2013 at 13:44 pm

    “So long as the people doing the evicting are the black okes in charge and not those awful white usurpers down there in the Cape then it’s all good hey? WDYS Prof?”

    You wasting your time. White liberals careers are built on sucking black dick. And that is not enough, they have to constently prove how very different, special and above all liberal they are by painting all other whites as racists and ‘white supremacist’.

  • sirjay jonson

    Hey Prof: I find two things really frustrating with your blog, especially since I recognize your worthy intent and your willingness to speak your truth backed with expertise.

    1) Folks like Oz who make totally unnecessary, juvenile ad hominem comments meant to hurt, and which show great disrespect (one of the challenges of social media), and 2) the far too often inane comments which would be better laid at the e-gate of some blog dedicated to humour. Perhaps Fass being an exception.

    The challenges in SA are enormous, the potential costs possibly disastrous.

  • sirjay jonson

    ozoneblue
    May 9, 2013 at 7:40 am

    Oz; your words are often too jarring. You are obviously a deep thinker with a need to express. You’d do far better to utilize skilled, diplomatic and thus mature words, with equal passion, in your discourses. Leave out the hate and anger.

    I have little doubt that I’m the only one who finds your utterances obnoxious, juvenile, and effectively offputting. Thus we don’t hear the message, only the confusion and angry emotions. Is that what you intended?

  • Zulani

    “Die jakkals is in die hoenderhok” or is there something else? (Is my Afr Spelling correct?)

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Sirjay is right. Althought I always have a good “chuckle” reading the likes of Oz, Maggs, Brett, Dmwagi, Gwebs, Zoo, Lisbeth and Pierre, I say these incorrigible jokers would do us all a favour if the formed their own “satellite” blog, thus sparing those of us keen on serious constitutional debate.

    Thanks.

  • Zulani

    @Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    May 10, 2013 at 20:17 pm
    MDF, YOU are the joke on this blog. Are you male or female?

  • Chris

    Colin says: “On the one hand they are all for freedom of speech (remember – they need to now prove their newly found struggle credentials) but totally against the Secrecy Bill.”

    Somehow this does not seem to make any sense to me.

  • Lisbeth

    @ MDF:

    “… sparing those of us keen on serious constitutional debate”

    LOL! Comment of the day!

  • Maggs Naidu – Have you invoked you “inner Rhoda Kadalie” today? (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Zulani
    May 10, 2013 at 20:23 pm

    Zulani,

    “MDF, YOU are the joke on this blog. Are you male or female?”

    You are in the wrong place.

    Try our satellite site, http://www.find-a-date.com!

    p.s. Dworky could be either, depending on how attractive you are. A private viewing just for you, could be arranged in Milpark Holiday Inn.

    What do you say?

  • Maggs Naidu – Have you invoked you “inner Rhoda Kadalie” today? (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    May 10, 2013 at 20:17 pm

    Dworky,

    You’re pulling a Kevin Malunga on us, ne!

    Sucking up like that, just doesn’t suit you.

    (Ok – I know you’re not really sucking up but the opportunity presented itself to send a message to you-know-who about the observed brown-nosing :P)

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    sirjay jonson
    May 10, 2013 at 18:33 pm

    Point taken, I will try to bemore polite when I express my anger and my hatred like the Constitutional experts and the Latyn speaking White liberals. But please note they say you can take the White trash out of Boksburg, but you can never take the Boksburg out of the White trash.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    And some more bad news for the Whites Control Everything Critical Race Theory. Not only are the Boers now servants for the [Black?] Guptas, but also there is ‘Meteoric’ growth of black middle class.

    http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/western-cape/meteoric-growth-of-black-middle-class-1.1514101

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Also apparently “the white middle class has “stagnated” since 2004″. The White liberals who all live in snobbish White Cape Town will be absolutely thrilled about the “transformation”.

  • Gwebecimele
  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Colin!

    Just received good news! The go-ahead for a “study tour,” in which a group of CT (read DA) officials will visit their Durban and Jhb counterparts to LEARN how to handle “squatters” in a manner consistent with the Constitution. I have organised a small reception for the group at the Millpark Holiday Inn — 18h30 on June 4. Would you be prepared to say a few words?

    Thanks.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    May 11, 2013 at 9:56 am

    That is great, mfd. I have some things to say. Can I come too?

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Ozymandias

    “Can I come too?”

    No. We are not interested in “jokesters.” Only serious constitutionalists like Colin!

    Thanks.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Gwebecimele
    May 11, 2013 at 9:07 am

    Good link and I agree wholeheartedly. But I smell the baboons again – a smell that is quite distinct from the curry smell of those bargaining Guptas. Oh, where are our “Constitutional experts” when we need them?

    Nzimande’s Amendment Act: An assault on academic freedom – Jeremy Gauntlett argues that the legislation is repugnant in both a constitutional and social sense

    http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=375613&sn=Detail&pid=71616

    Yet another abrasive White male that refuses to castrate himself for the “transformation”. Oh dear, what shall we do with them.

  • Maggs Naidu – Have you invoked you “inner Rhoda Kadalie” today? (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    May 10, 2013 at 20:17 pm

    Dworky,

    “sparing those of us keen on serious constitutional debate.”

    Well spotted.

    The intellectuals who gather to read this blog are put off by the inane comments of THAT LOT.

    I look forward to their intellectual, ideological, philosophical views on the substance of the blog which Pierre constructs with much thought and care.

    It’s not like when the Blog deals with WHITENESS that WHITE people in their numbers will ravage him personally; or when it deals with RELIGION that the religious freaks will take their turn; nor will HOMOPHOBES turn up in numbers when it addresses homophobia. When the blog reflects on the failings of the DA, their supporters graciously correct Pierre …

    Intellectuals have to read (and reflect on) all the “inane comments” more than on the essence of the blog because, well just because.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Maggs Naidu – Have you invoked you “inner Rhoda Kadalie” today? (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    May 11, 2013 at 13:34 pm

    Maggs do you think this blog will ever focus on this incident?

    ‘Newcastle mayor complains of ‘Gupta’ slur’

    http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2013/05/08/newcastle-mayor-complains-of-gupta-slur

    As much as it focus on how a black women was insulted in the spinning gym by some anonymous racist [white] bloke or a gay couple couldn’t get married on their favourite private farmholding cause the owners are [white] and bit homophobic?

    Or is it just that state officials telling Coolies to go back home is not a problem for liewe Pierretjie [because he also hates them?], or senior ANC leaders singing about killing minorities is just “freedom of speech” [cause he secretly wished he could shoot them himself?], just as Whites/Indians/Coloureds systemically discriminated against by government are simply not important and have no constitutional relevance [because he, Pierretjie, is gay, have no kids to worry about and already have a very well paying job]?

  • Maggs Naidu – Have you invoked you “inner Rhoda Kadalie” today? (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Ozoneblue
    May 11, 2013 at 15:14 pm

    OB,

    “Or is it just that state officials telling Coolies to go back home is not a problem for liewe Pierretjie [because he also hates them?]”

    I heard the rumour too that Pierre hates Indians.

    In fact he’s been heard running around Greenpoint singing “Kill the Indian, kill the coolie. One bullet, one coolie. Bullet, bullet. Coolie, coolie”!

    WDYSTT?

    p.s. Don’t have sleepless nights over the Chronicles of Rehman – I’m pretty sure he is able to deal with issues as it affects him without your kind assistance.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Maggs Naidu – Have you invoked you “inner Rhoda Kadalie” today? (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    May 11, 2013 at 16:20 pm

    You know that maggs. Even under Apartheid I never heard about Nats running around Greenpoint singing “Kill the Indian, kill the coolie. One bullet, one coolie. Bullet, bullet. Coolie, coolie”!

    Or the Jews [for bullets] for that matter. Or Blacks [for bullets].

    Why do you think, under the Apartheid, even when we are talking of a calamity of Holocaustesque proportions things never turned out that way.

    Do you think it could have something to do with metaphysical Calvinism?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    “Calvinism is the theological system associated with the Reformer John Calvin that emphasizes the rule of God over all things”

    http://www.theopedia.com/Calvinism

    “God

    Calvinism affirms and confesses the historic doctrine of the Trinity: God as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. God is perfect in all his attributes, and is self-sufficient. Therefore, God is not subject to time or other beings, nor is he reducible to matter or spatial categories available to human reasoning or examination.[2] God is also mysterious, or hidden, except as he chooses to reveal himself to men, which He has done in the Scriptures.”

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue
  • Maggs Naidu – Have you invoked your “inner Rhoda Kadalie” today? (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Ozoneblue
    May 11, 2013 at 20:58 pm

    OB,

    When you say that “god is self-sufficient” does that mean god is a wanker?

    It’s nonetheless bothersome that god “reveals himself to men” – it’s ok if god is gay but that revealing to men stuff is illegal!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Maggs Naidu – Have you invoked your “inner Rhoda Kadalie” today? (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    May 11, 2013 at 21:43 pm

    LOL.

    All I’m saying maggs is that whatever I believe is because there is a God that rates all human beings equally. If that where not true then I would not have believed that we are equal and I have a moral obligation towards all of us.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Maggs/Ozy

    I don’t follow abstruse theology, or understand Calvinist teaching. All I know is that apartheid was UNCHRISTIAN. I therefore see “Madam” Botox as the ANTI-CHRIST for want to take is back there!

    Thanks.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    May 11, 2013 at 23:37 pm

    “I don’t follow abstruse theology, or understand Calvinist teaching.”

    mfd it is really easy. There is only one God.

    How hard can that one simple thing be to understand?

  • Gwebecimele

    Comrade Ramaphosa says people must stop using ANC for self enrichement.

    Message of the day.

  • Gwebecimele
  • Maggs Naidu – Jesus spelled backwards sounds like sausage! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Ozoneblue
    May 11, 2013 at 23:31 pm

    Eish OB,

    “there is a God that rates all human beings equally.”

    So now you’re accusing god of taking hallucinating drugs?

  • Maggs Naidu – Hail Guptas! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    So it’s official – Zuma sold the Presidency!

    “We go through bullying on a daily basis. We are called to do certain things. It is not a nice environment to work in. Those guys are disrespectful. They tell you what to do. If you refuse, you will lose your job. Speaking against the Guptas is like speaking against the president,” said an adviser to a government minister who asked not to be named.

    Among claims made by officials this week were that:

    In early December 2010, Ajay Gupta summoned the then CEO of the Government Communication and Information Systems and government spokesman Themba Maseko to the family’s Saxonwold, Johannesburg, “Sahara Estate”, where he demanded that the entire R600-million government advertising budget be redirected to The New Age, through GCIS. Maseko refused. Two months later, he was removed as CEO;

    The Guptas wanted Transport Minister Ben Martins to fire the board of the Passenger Rail Agency of South Africa and its CEO, Lucky Montana. Prasa is in charge of aR137-billion railway revitalisation programme. Montana is said to have drawn the family’s ire after he awarded a tender to build new trains to a rival company.

    The Guptas wanted the Airports Company of SA to take a R950000-a-month subscription to The New Age to be distributed at airports in “exclusive stalls”;

    Ajay, who sat on the International Marketing Council board (now Brand SA) told board members during a meeting in 2010 that his office and not the council – the body tasked with marketing South Africa internationally – would handle all matters relating to Zuma’s state visit to India in June of that year; and

    In December last year, officials in the Department of Cooperative Governance spent a combined R1.8-million on adverts in The New Age and on booking tables for the newspaper’s “business breakfast briefings” without following procurement procedures.

    The Guptas are said to directly approach – and allegedly try to intimidate – individual officials to demand advertising for The New Age. According to insiders, they threaten “difficult” officials by invoking Zuma’s name and those of cabinet ministers.

    They are said to have told those invited to their Saxonwold compound that Zuma was a regular dinner guest there, particularly on Thursday evenings, after the previous day’s cabinet meeting.

    Despite public outrage about the Gupta family’s influence on the government, Zuma has yet to condemn the use of his name by his family friends.

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2013/05/12/bullying-guptas-wanted-diplomatic-passports1

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Hey maggs.

    Perhaps you right. God may have bee taking hallucinating drugs when he made Indians!

    “Ajay Gupta …”

    “*The Guptas* wanted Transport Minister Ben Martins to …”

    “*The Guptas* wanted the Airports Company of SA to ..”

    “*The Guptas* are said to …”

    “*Despite public outrage about the Gupta family’s …”

    There is no such as one individual Gupta doing something wrong! And you don’t even need any evidence that they are in fact doing something wrong because they are debased by nature – wicked and corrupt, plotting and planning against the South African people.

    One Gupta, one bullet!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    This is nothing new though. Our Africans are full of Ubuntu and respek for human rights.

    “Indians had been officially hectored in the sixties. The first president, Hastings Banda, had come to Karonga in 1965 and singled them out, berated them, accusing Indian traders of taking advantage of Africans. “Africans should be running these businesses,” he howled. But many of the Indians stayed. In the 1970s the president returned to Karonga and denounced the Indians again. This time the Indians got the message: nearly all left, and those few that hesitated saw their shops burned down by Banda’s Israeli-trained Young Pioneers. Eventually, the remaining Indians either left Karonga for cities in the south or emigrated. Banda had gone to other rural towns and given the same speech, provoking the same result. The shock to me was not that all the Indians were gone but that no one had come to take their place; that the shops were in ruins, still with the names of Ismailis and Gujaratis on them…”

    ***

    “We wanted Africans to be given a chance to run the shops. So that Africans could go into business. The shops were handed over. I bought one myself.”

    “With what result?”

    “Ha-ha! Not much! It didn’t work. They all got finished!”…

    “Well, as you know, Indians are good at business,” he said. Then, laughing in dismay as if he had just dropped a slice of bread butter-side down, “What do we know about these things? We had no capital. The shops failed–almost all of them. Ha! They were abandoned, as you saw. And the rest were turned into chibuku bars.” Beer bars…

    “[The Indians] sit there, you see, and they have these little pieces of paper, and have these columns of numbers.” He spoke pompously about the Indians as though describing demented obsessive children with broken toys. “And one Indian is running the calculator, and another is counting the sacks of flour and the tins of condensed milk. One two three. One two three.”…

    I said, “But that’s how a shop is run. That’s normal business. You make a list of what you’ve sold, so you know what stuff to reorder.”

    “Indians know no other life!” he said. “Just this rather secluded life–all numbers and money and goods on shelves. One two three.”

    “Recordkeeping is the nature of small business, isn’t it?” I resented his belittling the shopkeeper, yet I kept calm so as to draw him out. “The profit margins are so small.”

    “But we Africans are not raised in this way,” he said, nodding to the others for approval. “What do we care about shops and counting? We have a much freer existence. We have no interest in this–shops are not our strong point.”

    “Why close the shops, then?”

    ***

    I caught a few words of a story that Karsten was telling Wilson–”Indian” and “fish” and “money”–and as we paddled across the Zambezi, our dugout pulled sideways by the power of the stream, he told me the story.

    Farther up the Zambezi, on the Zambian side, he said, lived Indian traders who made a practice of abducting very young African girls from villages. The Indians killed the girls and cut out their hearts. Using the fresh hearts of these African virgins as bait on large hooks, they were able to catch certain Zambezi fish that were stuffed full of diamonds.

    “That is why the Indians have so much money,” Karsten said.”

    http://morgannels.org/blog/?p=32

    Now there we see the noble African mentality and why they hate Indians so much. They are successful, can do business and don’t have to beg.

  • Brett Nortje – Help! Help! The ANC has turned my country into a Bantustan!

    Hau! Batho….

    Dat een ANC-LP gejil het: “Dis ons beurt om te eet”, het ook nie sy saak gehelp om die gehoor te oortuig openbare werke is nou op die smalle weg nie.

    http://www.rapport.co.za/Rubrieke/LizelSteenkamp/Nkandla-klad-op-nice-Nxesi-20130511

  • Brett Nortje – Help! Help! The ANC has turned my country into a Bantustan!

    So, Maggs…. Traffic cops in Pretoria are threatening to release a video they say they made of drugs being offloaded off the Gupta plane if they are disciplined for providing the Gupta escort.

    Praise the Lord that Pretoria’s name was changed so it is now clear who responsibility falls upon for putting such a bunch of clowns in a position where they can pretend to run a country.

    Will you lot in the ANC never tire of heaping shame upon our country?

  • Brett Nortje – Help! Help! The ANC has turned my country into a Bantustan!

    How can a MP in this Parliament yell out “It is our turn to eat”?

  • Brett Nortje – Help! Help! The ANC has turned my country into a Bantustan!

    The ‘transformed’ SAPS seems to be having a hard time of it keeping Marikana witnesses alive.

    Perhaps too many members are on study leave at the same time:

    http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/top-cop-a-law-unto-himself-1.1514590

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Brett please. Wheee in the ANC assume you are innocent until PROVEN guilty. That is the way of our friends in the Mafia.

    And what do we do when even our labour unions are also RACISTS?

    “The source claims that the waiters were expected to work 12-hour shifts and would be transported by bus to the event, which was not identified in the e-mail. They were to be paid about R20 to R25 an hour, well below the standard rate.”

    However the problem is not the slave wage exploitation, or the fact that if that story is true white waitresses had to be specially recruited for this event because otherwise they would not be able to find a job due to race-based AA.

    No the problem is apparently Bleck [i.e. African] workers who were excluded form the slave wage.

    http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/gauteng/more-gupta-white-wedding-claims-1.1514240

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    But then our White liberals will agree that Whites are all the same. Even when they pretend not to be White Supremacists the ANCYL can see right through the pretence.

    “Insolent racist bigots and colonial-apartheid white liberals were (are) the proverbial two sides of the same bloody coin. They are both constitutive elements of Western hegemonic logic and construct.”

    “Both the settler bigots and liberals do not accept the historic, cultural and social organizational sovereignty of the indigenous people whose land they inhabit. The bigot (exemplified in De Klerk’s erstwhile National Party) is prone to neurotic violence in dealing with the native population, whom he sees as a debased savage beyond human engagement.”

    signed: Magasela Mzobe is the ANCYL National Task Team Coordinator. This article first appeared in ANC Today, the online newsletter of the African National Congress.

    http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=376019&sn=Detail&pid=71616

    Herr Mngxitama is a friend of the ANC, just like the Mafia?

  • Maggs Naidu – Zuma knows what he is doing! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – Help! Help! The ANC has turned my country into a Bantustan!
    May 12, 2013 at 22:27 pm

    Hey Brett,

    “How can a MP in this Parliament yell out “It is our turn to eat”?”

    Where did you get that from?

  • Brett Nortje – Help! Help! The ANC has turned my country into a Bantustan!

    Maggs, didn’t you read the link I posted? Do you think I only post on this blog to multiply my catchy signatures?

    http://www.rapport.co.za/Rubrieke/LizelSteenkamp/Nkandla-klad-op-nice-Nxesi-20130511

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    @maggs (my turn to eat)

    Maggs. Personal question – are you “non-whites” … pfft, in the ANC just as hungry as your BLACK AFRICAN friends?

    “Ms. Helen Zille’s Western Cape has some of the highest emigration among black professionals because of systematic alienation and low ceiling imposed on them. Her cabinet is testament to her confidence in the abilities of black Africans and other non-whites. Her views are borne out by the recently released employment equity statistics.”

  • Maggs Naidu – Zuma knows what he is doing! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – Help! Help! The ANC has turned my country into a Bantustan!
    May 13, 2013 at 10:28 am

    Brett,

    “Maggs, didn’t you read the link I posted?”

    I did – it’s in French.

    But since you’re quoting people who quote people, you’re an honourary academic!

    Rumours are great for poking fun but a better source than that is needed if that comment can be taken seriously!

  • Brett Nortje – Help! Help! The ANC has turned my country into a Bantustan!

    If you’re going to be ridiculous and question the veracity of Parliamentary reporting I’m going to revoke you ‘New Maggs’ status, fruit of my intellectual loins!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    So when you read beyond this new tendency of racism, xenophobia and Gupta bashing.

    “Forget the Guptas – at the heart of the story that stoked the country’s outrage is a problematic relationship between government and big business.”

    “We need an antithesis to deal with the likes of the Gupta family,” he told our politics reporters. “At the end of these multibillion-rand strategic infrastructure projects taking place, we should be able to produce our own local bourgeoisie who will be able to influence our politics.”

    And that’s the crux. The issue among the ANC is that the wrong people were bankrolling and influencing our politicians, of which the ruling party sees nothing untoward.

    There is an unattributed saying that apparently does the rounds in the ANC and elsewhere that goes: “Everybody needs an Indian.”

    http://mg.co.za/article/2013-05-06-the-anc-and-the-guptas-money-for-nothing-and-your-indians-for-free

    But how do the countless South African Indians who have fokkol to do with any of the above feel and how are they effected by this? How about all the “illegal aliens”, Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Somali shopkeepers who are abused and have their shops burned down whenever “the people” are incited to “express their anger”?

    And where are all our White liberals and Constitutional experts who are so cosy with “big business” i.e. Claude Leon Foundation et al as long as it is White and British?

  • Gwebecimele
  • Gwebecimele

    Where is the copy of this letter??

    “The Presidency has refused to respond to Durban advocate Kessie Naidu’s open letter to Zuma (published in the Sunday Times yesterday). In the letter, notes a report in The Mercury, Naidu calls for Zuma to take a stand on the Gupta scandal and ‘regain the moral high ground’. ‘Remove from your midst these vile sycophants and praise singers… No rocket science is required, President, to realise that the Guptas and many others of their ilk queue up and fall over each other to offer friendship, hospitality, assistance to you and your family, not because of love for you, but because this provides them with the key to the doorways of opportunity they so easily enter.’ He also issued a warning regarding the wide provisions of the Prevention of Organised Crime Act, and said Zuma’s son, Duduzane, who has shares in a Gupta company, could be investigated for his close business relationship with the family. He described the Waterkloof incident as a ‘rape of the country’s dignity’, and that the Guptas had ‘made us the laughing stock of the world’. Naidu reportedly told The Mercury he felt justified in writing the letter. The President had sought his advice on numerous occasions, he said, and the two had enjoyed a professional relationship and were friends. ‘My letter merely encapsulates the sentiments, frustrations, disappointment and shame being experienced by all right-thinking, self-respecting South Africans,’ he said.” by Legal Brief

  • Maggs Naidu – Zuma knows what he is doing! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – Help! Help! Brett has lost his mind!
    May 13, 2013 at 11:24 am

    So Brett, does that mean tour quote is source-less?

  • Maggs Naidu – Zuma knows what he is doing! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    oops!

    So Brett, does that mean tour your quote is source-less?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Maggs Naidu – Zuma knows what he is doing! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    May 13, 2013 at 13:21 pm

    hey maggs. Why are you are ignoring me?

    “We need an antithesis to deal with the likes of the Gupta family. At the end of these massive multibillion-rand strategic infrastructure projects taking place, we should be able to produce our own local bourgeoisie who will be able to influence our politics,” said the leader.

    “Under president Thabo Mbeki, you had wealthy businessmen [BEE sponsored and mostly British sponsored of course] like Mzi Khumalo, Saki Macozoma and Andile Ngcaba who sustained the Mbeki government. Who are the elite supporting Zuma’s government? If there were black elites, we wouldn’t be as vulnerable as we are now. We have to look into this because the Guptas may sink the ANC and Zuma. The Chinese businessmen cost former Zambian president Rupiah Banda an election.”

    Those stinking jumped-up Guptas – their corruption is not BLACK enough?

    WDYS -

  • Maggs Naidu – Zuma knows what he is doing! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Ozoneblue
    May 13, 2013 at 13:59 pm

    OB

    “WDYS -”

    I say it’s better to ignore you!

  • Brett Nortje – Help! Help! The ANC has turned my country into a Bantustan!

    Maggs Naidu – Zuma knows what he is doing! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) says:
    May 13, 2013 at 13:21 pm

    Yes, Oops. Lizel was kidding when she pretended to be reporting Thulas’ Budget vote.

  • Maggs Naidu – Zuma knows what he is doing! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – Help! Help! The ANC has turned Brett’s mind into a Bantustan!

    May 13, 2013 at 15:31 pm

    Ok.

    But if I didn’t ask will you have admitted that it was a lie?

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Maggs, I am no particular fan of Mr Gupta and his family. But there is more than a whiff of RACISM in the whole whoo-haa , if you ask me. Where was the LIBERAL media when D.F. Malan flew in Kondrad Adenhauer and half the CDP for a Munich-Style “Beerfest” at the Hofbrauhaus on Hartebeespooort Dam?

    Hey?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    May 13, 2013 at 19:01 pm

    That is digging very, very deep mfd.

    How about when Cyril Ramaphosa the “Best Leader South Africa Has Not Yet Had” made an ever lasting friendship with the Oppenheimers and the Menell family?

    “At that time South Africa was governed by Afrikaner nationalists, but much of industry — especially the big mining houses, which pretty much built modern South Africa — was run by dynasties, like the Oppenheimers and the Menells, that favored more liberal treatment of the black majority. They argued that prosperity required a stable, better-trained black work force and a black middle class of consumers. They hoped, too, that a policy of more humane engagement would undermine the campaigns of economic sanctions and disinvestment brewing in Europe and the United States. Years later many of these same industrialists foresaw the twilight of white rule and helped grease the negotiations that ended apartheid, in the hope of retaining influence after liberation. But for now it was about offering blacks a little share of the good life, not actual power.

    One outgrowth of these progressive urges was the Urban Foundation, started by mining titans like the Menell family, owners of the Anglovaal gold house. The foundation invited influential or promising blacks to join in worthy projects for the betterment of African communities. And that is how Ramaphosa acquired an important patron. Clive Menell, the head of the gold-mining conglomerate, recruited him into the Urban Foundation, helped him complete the legal studies interrupted by prison and gave him a measure of credibility with the people who held the real power in South Africa. Clive’s son and heir, Rick Menell, became and remains a close friend.”

    Just before Marikana?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/27/magazine/could-cyril-ramaphosa-be-the-best-leader-south-africa-has-not-yet-had.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    So you see. It is a “progressive urge” to offer “blecks a little share of the good life” And don’t they like that shit, much like rims and mirrors, Cuban cigars and cheap whiskey.

  • Maggs Naidu – ! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Ozoneblue
    May 13, 2013 at 20:26 pm

    OB,

    What’s “blecks”???

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    But fuck. Don’t we all hate the stinking Coolies.

    One thing to be grateful to the Guptas for

    http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=374320&sn=Detail&pid=71619

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Maggs Naidu – ! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    May 13, 2013 at 20:28 pm

    Sorry maggs. It is homophonic word invented by the colonists and used by WHITE people a lot – in short I think it means “non-white”, or “nie-blanke”.

  • Maggs Naidu

    Ozoneblue

    May 13, 2013 at 20:45 pm

    OB.

    You’ve used the term with mischievous intentions.

    Stop blaming others!

  • Brett Nortje – Help! Help! The ANC has turned my country into a Bantustan!

    Ozoneblue says:
    May 13, 2013 at 20:26 pm
    “So you see. It is a “progressive urge” to offer “blecks a little share of the good life””

    Ah, like Cecil Rhodes, SOuth Africa’s best known person with same-sex tendencies, who used to empty a purse into the dusty street to see black people scrambling for the coins.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Ozymandius

    “Don’t we all hate the stinking Coolies.”

    Yes we do. Fortunately, most of them do not STINK at all; in fact, they smell like roses. Those, we love with all our hearts!

    Thanks very much.

  • Maggs Naidu – God lives in Cape Town! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    May 14, 2013 at 1:58 am

    Dworky,

    “they smell like roses.”

    WHITE people smell like roses.

    Coolies smell like saffron.

  • Maggs Naidu – God lives in Cape Town! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – Help! Help! Brett’s pigeon will be delicious roasted over a spit braai!
    May 13, 2013 at 23:49 pm

    Hey Brett,

    “SOuth Africa’s best known person with same-sex tendencies”

    Chester Missing?

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