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	<description>This blog deals with political and social issues in South Africa, mostly from the perspective of Constitutional Law. Written by Pierre de Vos</description>
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		<title>Comment on DA, why not admit wrongdoing and move on? by Alibhama</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/da-why-not-admit-wrongdoing-and-move-on/#comment-67228</link>
		<dc:creator>Alibhama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 14:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my previous attempt to understand WHAT PdV meant about &#039;the need to bar certain persons from sitting on
procurement committees&#039;, I didn&#039;t bother to analyse if/how Budlender&#039;s input contributed, since PdV&#039;s posts
are normally very clear, and I don&#039;t expect to have to analyse the extra clues from Budlender&#039;s input, to
make sense of PdV&#039;s post.  His Afrikaans/Calvanist background is showing: &quot;it&#039;s not what you know, but WHO you
know&quot;, and the reliance on persons/personalities instead of systems/institutions. As the US prez appropriately
said: &quot;africa doesn&#039;t need big MEN, it needs big/functioning institutions&quot;.  Really, barring someone from
speaking/voting/ bidding, when it&#039;s impossible to prevent the barred person from appointing a proxy is absurd.
It&#039;s because of this prevailing naive village Doominee mentality, that eg. Nigerians are able to come down here
and &#039;clean up&#039;, not to mention the new ANC-looters..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my previous attempt to understand WHAT PdV meant about &#8216;the need to bar certain persons from sitting on<br />
procurement committees&#8217;, I didn&#8217;t bother to analyse if/how Budlender&#8217;s input contributed, since PdV&#8217;s posts<br />
are normally very clear, and I don&#8217;t expect to have to analyse the extra clues from Budlender&#8217;s input, to<br />
make sense of PdV&#8217;s post.  His Afrikaans/Calvanist background is showing: &#8220;it&#8217;s not what you know, but WHO you<br />
know&#8221;, and the reliance on persons/personalities instead of systems/institutions. As the US prez appropriately<br />
said: &#8220;africa doesn&#8217;t need big MEN, it needs big/functioning institutions&#8221;.  Really, barring someone from<br />
speaking/voting/ bidding, when it&#8217;s impossible to prevent the barred person from appointing a proxy is absurd.<br />
It&#8217;s because of this prevailing naive village Doominee mentality, that eg. Nigerians are able to come down here<br />
and &#8216;clean up&#8217;, not to mention the new ANC-looters..</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the real immorality of our society by Dirk de Vos</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/on-the-real-immorality-of-our-society/#comment-67227</link>
		<dc:creator>Dirk de Vos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 14:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fear that the arguments for and against &quot;The Spear&quot; are proxies for the underlying tensions in our society and that arguing the issue of the painting rapidly becomes besides the point.  It reminds me nothing more of a far more explosive and dangerous debate of just 6 years ago, when the Danish newspaper magazine, Jyllands-Posten depicted the Prophet Mohammad in a series of cartoons, many of those depictions intentionally offensive. In SA, some cartoons were given coverage in the M&amp;G, then edited by Ferial Haffajee. 

The reaction from the Muslim world was angry and even, in some cases, violent. In the Arab world, there were credible reports of undemocratic and oppressive governments manipulating the rage of the &quot;Arab Street&quot; for their own purposes, including deflecting the demands for better, less corrupt government. Those same governments have now largely been swept away by populations wanting real political change. The freedom of speech arguments were not resolved and, like The Spear, will likely never be settled. Is it a worthwhile question to ask whether the victims of the school text book debacle would be more offended by The Spear than by their present school text book predicament?   If so, what then?

In a way, it is a pity that The Spear has taken centre stage.  I am more interested in the copyright/trademark issue in the &#039;ANC-for-sale&quot; piece. Is this covered in the ANC&#039;s urgent application?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fear that the arguments for and against &#8220;The Spear&#8221; are proxies for the underlying tensions in our society and that arguing the issue of the painting rapidly becomes besides the point.  It reminds me nothing more of a far more explosive and dangerous debate of just 6 years ago, when the Danish newspaper magazine, Jyllands-Posten depicted the Prophet Mohammad in a series of cartoons, many of those depictions intentionally offensive. In SA, some cartoons were given coverage in the M&amp;G, then edited by Ferial Haffajee. </p>
<p>The reaction from the Muslim world was angry and even, in some cases, violent. In the Arab world, there were credible reports of undemocratic and oppressive governments manipulating the rage of the &#8220;Arab Street&#8221; for their own purposes, including deflecting the demands for better, less corrupt government. Those same governments have now largely been swept away by populations wanting real political change. The freedom of speech arguments were not resolved and, like The Spear, will likely never be settled. Is it a worthwhile question to ask whether the victims of the school text book debacle would be more offended by The Spear than by their present school text book predicament?   If so, what then?</p>
<p>In a way, it is a pity that The Spear has taken centre stage.  I am more interested in the copyright/trademark issue in the &#8216;ANC-for-sale&#8221; piece. Is this covered in the ANC&#8217;s urgent application?</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the real immorality of our society by caroza</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/on-the-real-immorality-of-our-society/#comment-67226</link>
		<dc:creator>caroza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 14:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joy-Mari, you haven&#039;t made an argument as far as I can see, just some unsupported assertions.  Who is &quot;we&quot;?  Who is &quot;upset&quot; about all the atrocities in the country?  Why isn&#039;t government acting on all this upsetness, i.e. doing their job?  And most relevant to the article, how does a picture of Zuma&#039;s dick get to be an atrocity comparable with lack of education, hunger, poverty, sickness and death?

The whole point of the article is that Zuma is focused on the wrong things.  He&#039;s fussing about the &quot;disrespect&quot; to him when what he needs to be doing is his job, and in such a way that it will earn him some genuine respect.  

There was no need to fuss and fume over &quot;respecting the office of the Presidency&quot; when Mandela was President - he had earned the country&#039;s respect and it showed.  Zuma has brought the office of the Presidency into disrepute all by himself, and he doesn&#039;t like it when people lilke Brett Murray call it like it is and portray him as a corrupt despot who can&#039;t keep his flies zipped.  Too bad.   Truth hurts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joy-Mari, you haven&#8217;t made an argument as far as I can see, just some unsupported assertions.  Who is &#8220;we&#8221;?  Who is &#8220;upset&#8221; about all the atrocities in the country?  Why isn&#8217;t government acting on all this upsetness, i.e. doing their job?  And most relevant to the article, how does a picture of Zuma&#8217;s dick get to be an atrocity comparable with lack of education, hunger, poverty, sickness and death?</p>
<p>The whole point of the article is that Zuma is focused on the wrong things.  He&#8217;s fussing about the &#8220;disrespect&#8221; to him when what he needs to be doing is his job, and in such a way that it will earn him some genuine respect.  </p>
<p>There was no need to fuss and fume over &#8220;respecting the office of the Presidency&#8221; when Mandela was President &#8211; he had earned the country&#8217;s respect and it showed.  Zuma has brought the office of the Presidency into disrepute all by himself, and he doesn&#8217;t like it when people lilke Brett Murray call it like it is and portray him as a corrupt despot who can&#8217;t keep his flies zipped.  Too bad.   Truth hurts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the real immorality of our society by khosi</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/on-the-real-immorality-of-our-society/#comment-67225</link>
		<dc:creator>khosi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 14:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#PierreDeVos #joy-mari #bitchingblogowners 

Pierre: My blog is better than yours and that is why you come to my blog.

Joy: No, I come for the English language lessons on words such as   “fallacious”

Pierre: So you should, my blog is bigger than yours. And so is my vocabulary.

Joy: Maybe, but the presidents penis is bigger news than your blog. It even bigger than yours.

Pierre: You are such a bitch!

Joy: Its not like you are any different.

Pierre: What do you mean, bitch!

Joy: You have dedicated two articles on the presidents penis and you still refer to it on a third article. You must have been justly impressed to give it such lavish attention.

Pierre: Get off my blog, bitch.

Joy: Truth hurts. I am off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#PierreDeVos #joy-mari #bitchingblogowners </p>
<p>Pierre: My blog is better than yours and that is why you come to my blog.</p>
<p>Joy: No, I come for the English language lessons on words such as   “fallacious”</p>
<p>Pierre: So you should, my blog is bigger than yours. And so is my vocabulary.</p>
<p>Joy: Maybe, but the presidents penis is bigger news than your blog. It even bigger than yours.</p>
<p>Pierre: You are such a bitch!</p>
<p>Joy: Its not like you are any different.</p>
<p>Pierre: What do you mean, bitch!</p>
<p>Joy: You have dedicated two articles on the presidents penis and you still refer to it on a third article. You must have been justly impressed to give it such lavish attention.</p>
<p>Pierre: Get off my blog, bitch.</p>
<p>Joy: Truth hurts. I am off.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the real immorality of our society by Maggs Naidu - ABZ - Zuma must go!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggs Naidu - ABZ - Zuma must go!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 14:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
May 21, 2012 at 16:01 pm

Hey Dworky,

Joy-Mari makes a great point.

How about we start Friends-of-Zuma&#039;s-Spear (FoZS) movement.

All funds will be graciously accepted.

Do you think Joy-Mari will donate generously?

p.s. Will Zuma knock down those who stand up for him?

Or will he take it lying down?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder<br />
May 21, 2012 at 16:01 pm</p>
<p>Hey Dworky,</p>
<p>Joy-Mari makes a great point.</p>
<p>How about we start Friends-of-Zuma&#8217;s-Spear (FoZS) movement.</p>
<p>All funds will be graciously accepted.</p>
<p>Do you think Joy-Mari will donate generously?</p>
<p>p.s. Will Zuma knock down those who stand up for him?</p>
<p>Or will he take it lying down?</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the real immorality of our society by Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/on-the-real-immorality-of-our-society/#comment-67223</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 14:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joy-Mari, as much as I too am furious at the disrespect shown to our President by this white so-called &quot;artist,&quot; I have reservations about you use of the word &quot;atrocity&quot; to describe it.

(But then again, you are entitled to you own sense of moral proportion.  As David Hume reminded us, &quot;&#039;tis not contrary to reason to prefer the destruction of the whole world to the scratching of my finger.&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joy-Mari, as much as I too am furious at the disrespect shown to our President by this white so-called &#8220;artist,&#8221; I have reservations about you use of the word &#8220;atrocity&#8221; to describe it.</p>
<p>(But then again, you are entitled to you own sense of moral proportion.  As David Hume reminded us, &#8220;&#8217;tis not contrary to reason to prefer the destruction of the whole world to the scratching of my finger.&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the real immorality of our society by joy-mari</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/on-the-real-immorality-of-our-society/#comment-67222</link>
		<dc:creator>joy-mari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 13:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;re not engaging with my argument, pierre. instead, you create a straw argument to demolish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re not engaging with my argument, pierre. instead, you create a straw argument to demolish.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the real immorality of our society by Vuyo</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/on-the-real-immorality-of-our-society/#comment-67221</link>
		<dc:creator>Vuyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 13:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well some of us who are not afraid to speak our minds do so and what you get is being labeled and rediculed without people actually engaging the issues you are raising.

What I have noticed is that poverty and the entrapment of people in poverty is profitable. So people (those in power) will not seriously engage in skims to eliminate poverty.  Elected representatives in South Africa are more important than the people who elected them and it will be that way until we educate the electorate to understand how much power they wield.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well some of us who are not afraid to speak our minds do so and what you get is being labeled and rediculed without people actually engaging the issues you are raising.</p>
<p>What I have noticed is that poverty and the entrapment of people in poverty is profitable. So people (those in power) will not seriously engage in skims to eliminate poverty.  Elected representatives in South Africa are more important than the people who elected them and it will be that way until we educate the electorate to understand how much power they wield.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the real immorality of our society by Pierre De Vos</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/on-the-real-immorality-of-our-society/#comment-67220</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierre De Vos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 13:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joy-mari, I see there is a problem with your reading skills. I am not telling you what to think. If you want to think the moon is made of cheese or that Michael Buble is a great artist, you have every right to believe this. I have a different view (on both topics) which I have a right to put as forcefully as I think is necessary. If you disagree, provide reasons. It is called a discussion which is the lifeblood of democracy. Try it! And stop trying to silence me by saying I cant have an opinion about what is important. I dont decdie. I give my opinion. It is my democractic right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joy-mari, I see there is a problem with your reading skills. I am not telling you what to think. If you want to think the moon is made of cheese or that Michael Buble is a great artist, you have every right to believe this. I have a different view (on both topics) which I have a right to put as forcefully as I think is necessary. If you disagree, provide reasons. It is called a discussion which is the lifeblood of democracy. Try it! And stop trying to silence me by saying I cant have an opinion about what is important. I dont decdie. I give my opinion. It is my democractic right.</p>
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		<title>Comment on On the real immorality of our society by Ricky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 13:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spot on, PdV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on, PdV.</p>
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