Comments on: Curiouser and curiouser in Wonderland http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/curiouser-and-curiouser-in-wonderland/ This blog deals with political and social issues in South Africa, mostly from the perspective of Constitutional Law. Written by Pierre de Vos Mon, 21 May 2012 14:34:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Sean http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/curiouser-and-curiouser-in-wonderland/#comment-22685 Sean Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:30:32 +0000 http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/?p=897#comment-22685 Another point to speculate on is that if the recordings were Ok'ed by a judge on the grounds of a threat to National Security, then what was the threat and will the ANC accept that the threat was from within a unified ANC. Or will they now claim that it was from a breakaway faction that does not exist when other arguments are being made. Another point to speculate on is that if the recordings were Ok’ed by a judge on the grounds of a threat to National Security, then what was the threat and will the ANC accept that the threat was from within a unified ANC. Or will they now claim that it was from a breakaway faction that does not exist when other arguments are being made.

]]> By: Chris Mcdaniel http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/curiouser-and-curiouser-in-wonderland/#comment-12845 Chris Mcdaniel Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:54:08 +0000 http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/?p=897#comment-12845 The Big Slipper The ANC doesnt call the shots anymore infact the ANC is dead and invaded and controlled by the Cosatu and SACP. Troy has been destroyed and conquered by its very own trojan horse. Infact the Black roman empire has been invaded by the black vangoths http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=970450 The Big Slipper

The ANC doesnt call the shots anymore infact the ANC is dead and invaded and controlled by the Cosatu and SACP. Troy has been destroyed and conquered by its very own trojan horse. Infact the Black roman empire has been invaded by the black vangoths

http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=970450

]]> By: Clara http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/curiouser-and-curiouser-in-wonderland/#comment-12838 Clara Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:14:56 +0000 http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/?p=897#comment-12838 "But we have no other option." But we do, Mpho ... if only 51% of all voters would make their cross for some or other opposition party ... well, I can dream, can't I? If the charges against Zuma are indeed dropped, how many votes might this cost the ANC, if any? “But we have no other option.”

But we do, Mpho … if only 51% of all voters would make their cross for some or other opposition party … well, I can dream, can’t I?

If the charges against Zuma are indeed dropped, how many votes might this cost the ANC, if any?

]]> By: The Big Slipper http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/curiouser-and-curiouser-in-wonderland/#comment-12834 The Big Slipper Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:26:05 +0000 http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/?p=897#comment-12834 Ozone, perhaps you could do the following for us: 1. Identify the individuals or groups comrising the "business friendly ex-apartheid badnwagon" 2. Provide examples of how these people/groups/entities have wantonly abused democracy, courts, organs of state, the press and Constitution. Since a good critique requires a balanced view of all sides, I will be happy to provide many examples of the above regarding JZ, Shaik, Mbeki, Tshabalala-Msimang et al, so we can compare and evaluate. People have stopped listening to the ANC, because they keep on spouting forth these general vague statements, kinda like the one you just made. Be specific, so we can debate. And those communists are near - in fact, they're in parliment, and your beloved JZ answers to them too. Ozone, perhaps you could do the following for us:

1. Identify the individuals or groups comrising the “business friendly ex-apartheid badnwagon”

2. Provide examples of how these people/groups/entities have wantonly abused democracy, courts, organs of state, the press and Constitution.

Since a good critique requires a balanced view of all sides, I will be happy to provide many examples of the above regarding JZ, Shaik, Mbeki, Tshabalala-Msimang et al, so we can compare and evaluate.

People have stopped listening to the ANC, because they keep on spouting forth these general vague statements, kinda like the one you just made. Be specific, so we can debate.

And those communists are near – in fact, they’re in parliment, and your beloved JZ answers to them too.

]]> By: Friend http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/curiouser-and-curiouser-in-wonderland/#comment-12829 Friend Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:38:10 +0000 http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/?p=897#comment-12829 Hey Ozone, if I was an outsider who is interested in visiting SA or immegrate here and I wanted to do a bit of homework to see how similar my thoughts are with that of the standard equally educated South African and I want to see the progress that they've made since adopting the 1996 Constitution and you where the representative of the South Africans or even of the governing political party then old monkey nuts, I would reconsider coming here. Hey Ozone, if I was an outsider who is interested in visiting SA or immegrate here and I wanted to do a bit of homework to see how similar my thoughts are with that of the standard equally educated South African and I want to see the progress that they’ve made since adopting the 1996 Constitution and you where the representative of the South Africans or even of the governing political party then old monkey nuts, I would reconsider coming here.

]]> By: ozoneblue http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/curiouser-and-curiouser-in-wonderland/#comment-12824 ozoneblue Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:35:05 +0000 http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/?p=897#comment-12824 George Gildenhuys at 11:23 am O dear those evil communists are near. I can smell the fear, now that all attempts by our "business-friendly" ex-Apartheid bandwagon to undermine the "populists" through the wanton abuse of democracy, our courts, organs of state, the press and our constitution has failed. George Gildenhuys at 11:23 am

O dear those evil communists are near. I can smell the fear, now that all attempts by our “business-friendly” ex-Apartheid bandwagon to undermine the “populists” through the wanton abuse of democracy, our courts, organs of state, the press and our constitution has failed.

]]> By: sirjay jonson http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/curiouser-and-curiouser-in-wonderland/#comment-12822 sirjay jonson Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:23:10 +0000 http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/?p=897#comment-12822 Seems to me most ANC leaders are way way over their head, incapable of the enormous responsibilities and tasks present or future, like fish floundering about on the deck after being landed. So much valuable time is being wasted. If you're working in the townships you literally want to cry yourself to sleep at night with the seriousness of the challenges, with the total disregard by government for the people (apart from election time), continuously the non-existent service and support, and as for opportunities, forget it. And why, because the followers with 'no bathrooms', who are also over their heads in dealing with today's challenges, but understandably so, repeatedly vote in to power their own continued misery. Sad, so sad. Seems to me most ANC leaders are way way over their head, incapable of the enormous responsibilities and tasks present or future, like fish floundering about on the deck after being landed. So much valuable time is being wasted. If you’re working in the townships you literally want to cry yourself to sleep at night with the seriousness of the challenges, with the total disregard by government for the people (apart from election time), continuously the non-existent service and support, and as for opportunities, forget it. And why, because the followers with ‘no bathrooms’, who are also over their heads in dealing with today’s challenges, but understandably so, repeatedly vote in to power their own continued misery. Sad, so sad.

]]> By: Chris Mcdaniel http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/curiouser-and-curiouser-in-wonderland/#comment-12821 Chris Mcdaniel Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:13:48 +0000 http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/?p=897#comment-12821 mike i think the Thint chargers were dropped because of former Justice minister Penuell Maduna who now works for Thint mike i think the Thint chargers were dropped because of former Justice minister Penuell Maduna who now works for Thint

]]> By: Mike Atkins http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/curiouser-and-curiouser-in-wonderland/#comment-12820 Mike Atkins Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:38:33 +0000 http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/?p=897#comment-12820 Also, what about the charges against Thint? Can they be dropped? And if they are not, would they not have a complaint against the NPA for dropping the Zuma charges, but not theirs? If they can be dropped, can anyone advance a single reason for this to be lawful? After all, they are accused of attempting to corrupt our (then) Deputy President. Also, what about the charges against Thint? Can they be dropped? And if they are not, would they not have a complaint against the NPA for dropping the Zuma charges, but not theirs?

If they can be dropped, can anyone advance a single reason for this to be lawful? After all, they are accused of attempting to corrupt our (then) Deputy President.

]]> By: khosi http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/curiouser-and-curiouser-in-wonderland/#comment-12819 khosi Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:18:10 +0000 http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/?p=897#comment-12819 A fly that flew inside the NPA's boardroom has whispered to me that not all the charges will not be dropped. A fly that flew inside the NPA’s boardroom has whispered to me that not all the charges will not be dropped.

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