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		<title>By: Maggs Naidu</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/cwele-should-step-aside/#comment-25156</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggs Naidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 07:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Family trips show a very married Mr and Mrs Cwele

&quot;&#039;We are not estranged&#039;. Contacted by cellphone this week, Sheryl said media reports citing “intelligence sources and ANC members” that she and her husband are estranged are “not true. We are not estranged and we’re living together. But I cannot say anything more, as my lawyer has instructed me not to speak to the press.”

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2010-02-12-family-trips-show-a-very-married-mr-and-mrs-cwele</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Family trips show a very married Mr and Mrs Cwele</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;We are not estranged&#8217;. Contacted by cellphone this week, Sheryl said media reports citing “intelligence sources and ANC members” that she and her husband are estranged are “not true. We are not estranged and we’re living together. But I cannot say anything more, as my lawyer has instructed me not to speak to the press.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mg.co.za/article/2010-02-12-family-trips-show-a-very-married-mr-and-mrs-cwele" rel="nofollow">http://www.mg.co.za/article/2010-02-12-family-trips-show-a-very-married-mr-and-mrs-cwele</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peter L</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/cwele-should-step-aside/#comment-25000</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote:

&quot;The arrest of Cwele, whose husband is South Africa’s spy chief and thus a very powerful member of the cabinet, signals that the criminal justice system is not nearly as corrupted by political nepotism as one might have suspected.&quot;

Sorry, Prof, but I think that you are being naive here and giving the government, Police and Justice department far too much credit.

The reason that charges have been brought is that hard and seemingly incontravertable evidence has been uncovered and brought into the public domain, in the form of e-mails, cellphone conversations etc.
The family of Ms Beetge would have gone the private prosecution / Nolle prosecui route had the authorities failed to act.


The Cwele&#039;s have also reportedly been separated / living apart for a number of years (if not, it is a good excuse, and provides a good &quot;out&quot; for the minister) , so Cheryl would appear to be expendable - no cadre to protect here.

The justice system seems to me to be totally corrupted by political nepotism - the ANC is just choosey about which cadres it protects, and which are expendable.</description>
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<p>&#8220;The arrest of Cwele, whose husband is South Africa’s spy chief and thus a very powerful member of the cabinet, signals that the criminal justice system is not nearly as corrupted by political nepotism as one might have suspected.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry, Prof, but I think that you are being naive here and giving the government, Police and Justice department far too much credit.</p>
<p>The reason that charges have been brought is that hard and seemingly incontravertable evidence has been uncovered and brought into the public domain, in the form of e-mails, cellphone conversations etc.<br />
The family of Ms Beetge would have gone the private prosecution / Nolle prosecui route had the authorities failed to act.</p>
<p>The Cwele&#8217;s have also reportedly been separated / living apart for a number of years (if not, it is a good excuse, and provides a good &#8220;out&#8221; for the minister) , so Cheryl would appear to be expendable &#8211; no cadre to protect here.</p>
<p>The justice system seems to me to be totally corrupted by political nepotism &#8211; the ANC is just choosey about which cadres it protects, and which are expendable.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggs Naidu</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/cwele-should-step-aside/#comment-24894</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggs Naidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 13:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mayimele says:
February 5, 2010 at 14:50 pm

&quot;Does this provide enough prima facie ground for him to have possible known about his wife’s illegal activities on the basis of which he should or shouldn’t step down?&quot;

It seems that the Minister also went on &quot;holiday&quot; with his not so estranged wife.

But it was Mozambique so no inferences can be draw aside from that he probably cannot resist a good prawn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mayimele says:<br />
February 5, 2010 at 14:50 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;Does this provide enough prima facie ground for him to have possible known about his wife’s illegal activities on the basis of which he should or shouldn’t step down?&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems that the Minister also went on &#8220;holiday&#8221; with his not so estranged wife.</p>
<p>But it was Mozambique so no inferences can be draw aside from that he probably cannot resist a good prawn!</p>
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		<title>By: mayimele</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/cwele-should-step-aside/#comment-24892</link>
		<dc:creator>mayimele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Maggs &amp; Pierre

New developments, according to Sheryl Cwele&#039;s lawyer, suggest that the Minister and his wife have actually never separated as it was reported in the media. The two are said to have spent the holiday together in Mozambique recently. In fact the Minister showed up in court today to support his wife in her bid to get bail while awaiting for her trial to resume in October this year.

See the link below:  http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/6748120e4a5542cdaf037618b531ca96/05-02-2010-04-13/Cwele_granted_R100_000_bail_

Does this provide enough prima facie ground for him to have possible known about his wife&#039;s illegal activities on the basis of which he should or shouldn&#039;t step down?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Maggs &amp; Pierre</p>
<p>New developments, according to Sheryl Cwele&#8217;s lawyer, suggest that the Minister and his wife have actually never separated as it was reported in the media. The two are said to have spent the holiday together in Mozambique recently. In fact the Minister showed up in court today to support his wife in her bid to get bail while awaiting for her trial to resume in October this year.</p>
<p>See the link below:  <a href="http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/6748120e4a5542cdaf037618b531ca96/05-02-2010-04-13/Cwele_granted_R100_000_bail_" rel="nofollow">http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/6748120e4a5542cdaf037618b531ca96/05-02-2010-04-13/Cwele_granted_R100_000_bail_</a></p>
<p>Does this provide enough prima facie ground for him to have possible known about his wife&#8217;s illegal activities on the basis of which he should or shouldn&#8217;t step down?</p>
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		<title>By: mayimele</title>
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		<dc:creator>mayimele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Maggs &amp; Pierre

New developments, according to Sheryl Cwele&#039;s lawyer, suggest that the Minister and his wife have actually never separated as it was reported in the media. The two are said to have spent the holiday together in Mozambique recently. In fact the Minister showed up in court today to support his wife in her bid to get bail while awaiting for her trial to resume in October this year.

See the link below:  http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/6748120e4a5542cdaf037618b531ca96/05-02-2010-04-13/Cwele_granted_R100_000_bail_

Does this provide enough prima facie ground for him to have possible known about his wife&#039;s illegal activities on the basis of whicch he should or shouldn&#039;t he step down?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Maggs &amp; Pierre</p>
<p>New developments, according to Sheryl Cwele&#8217;s lawyer, suggest that the Minister and his wife have actually never separated as it was reported in the media. The two are said to have spent the holiday together in Mozambique recently. In fact the Minister showed up in court today to support his wife in her bid to get bail while awaiting for her trial to resume in October this year.</p>
<p>See the link below:  <a href="http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/6748120e4a5542cdaf037618b531ca96/05-02-2010-04-13/Cwele_granted_R100_000_bail_" rel="nofollow">http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/6748120e4a5542cdaf037618b531ca96/05-02-2010-04-13/Cwele_granted_R100_000_bail_</a></p>
<p>Does this provide enough prima facie ground for him to have possible known about his wife&#8217;s illegal activities on the basis of whicch he should or shouldn&#8217;t he step down?</p>
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		<title>By: Gwebecimele</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/cwele-should-step-aside/#comment-24878</link>
		<dc:creator>Gwebecimele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Maggs

ANC Approach- Catch me if you can!!!!!!!!!!! or    Show me yours(facts) and I will show you mine!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
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<p>ANC Approach- Catch me if you can!!!!!!!!!!! or    Show me yours(facts) and I will show you mine!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Maggs Naidu</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/cwele-should-step-aside/#comment-24866</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggs Naidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Pierre.

Now it seems that I was hasty in regretting my views.

&quot;It was not true that State Security Minister Siyabonga Cwele and his drug trafficking accused wife Sheryl have been estranged for five years, a court heard.

&quot;Sheryl Cwele&#039;s lawyer Mvuseni Ngubane told the Pietermaritzburg High Court the couple had spent the December holidays together in Mozambique.

&quot;The allegation is a lie. It does not exist,&quot; he said.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/news/article293574.ece

I think a bit of fence sitting is appropriate until we are better informed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Pierre.</p>
<p>Now it seems that I was hasty in regretting my views.</p>
<p>&#8220;It was not true that State Security Minister Siyabonga Cwele and his drug trafficking accused wife Sheryl have been estranged for five years, a court heard.</p>
<p>&#8220;Sheryl Cwele&#8217;s lawyer Mvuseni Ngubane told the Pietermaritzburg High Court the couple had spent the December holidays together in Mozambique.</p>
<p>&#8220;The allegation is a lie. It does not exist,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timeslive.co.za/news/article293574.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timeslive.co.za/news/article293574.ece</a></p>
<p>I think a bit of fence sitting is appropriate until we are better informed.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggs Naidu</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/cwele-should-step-aside/#comment-24795</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggs Naidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 05:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pierre De Vos says:
February 4, 2010 at 7:36 am

Agreed.

The Minister ought to have said something much earlier.

It does not say much for the media either - this is something that they ought to have picked up as soon as the story broke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pierre De Vos says:<br />
February 4, 2010 at 7:36 am</p>
<p>Agreed.</p>
<p>The Minister ought to have said something much earlier.</p>
<p>It does not say much for the media either &#8211; this is something that they ought to have picked up as soon as the story broke.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre De Vos</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/cwele-should-step-aside/#comment-24791</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierre De Vos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 05:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maggs, yes it does change things. What is beyond me though is that politicians in general and government Ministers seem to think such issues is of no concern to the public and that they do not have any duty to clarify matters to inform voters and citizens. Ministers - as well as our President - has a very impoverished notion of accountability. In a democracy, politicians (whose salaries we pay and who wield enormous power which opens them up to the risk of enormous conflicts of interest) is accountable to the electorate - even if this is a nuisance or sometimes embarrasing. This is how a good democracy functions. If I was an advisor of the Minister I would have asked him to issue a very brief statement on the day of the arrest, confirming that I was still married to the accused, but that I have lived apart for five years. That would have been the end of the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggs, yes it does change things. What is beyond me though is that politicians in general and government Ministers seem to think such issues is of no concern to the public and that they do not have any duty to clarify matters to inform voters and citizens. Ministers &#8211; as well as our President &#8211; has a very impoverished notion of accountability. In a democracy, politicians (whose salaries we pay and who wield enormous power which opens them up to the risk of enormous conflicts of interest) is accountable to the electorate &#8211; even if this is a nuisance or sometimes embarrasing. This is how a good democracy functions. If I was an advisor of the Minister I would have asked him to issue a very brief statement on the day of the arrest, confirming that I was still married to the accused, but that I have lived apart for five years. That would have been the end of the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggs Naidu</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/cwele-should-step-aside/#comment-24789</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggs Naidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 05:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Pierre,

&quot;We simply do not know what transpired in the Cwele household, whether the Minister had any inkling of his wife’s alleged nefarious activities or whether the Minister had been asked by his wife to use his power and influence to try and prevent her arrest.&quot;

We now know.

They have been apart for the last five years.

Does that change anything or do we still bay for the Minister&#039;s blood.

I certainly regret having challenged the Minister&#039;s integrity and his capacity to lead Intelligence on the basis of reports about his wife&#039;s connection to drug dealing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Pierre,</p>
<p>&#8220;We simply do not know what transpired in the Cwele household, whether the Minister had any inkling of his wife’s alleged nefarious activities or whether the Minister had been asked by his wife to use his power and influence to try and prevent her arrest.&#8221;</p>
<p>We now know.</p>
<p>They have been apart for the last five years.</p>
<p>Does that change anything or do we still bay for the Minister&#8217;s blood.</p>
<p>I certainly regret having challenged the Minister&#8217;s integrity and his capacity to lead Intelligence on the basis of reports about his wife&#8217;s connection to drug dealing.</p>
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