Constitutional Hill

Education: it’s about transformation, stupid

As citizens of a free country, South Africans should rightly demand much from fellow citizens, from powerful private institutions, from big business and from government. It appears deceptively modest, but citizens have a right to demand (and deserve to demand) the supreme and most difficult thing: to have their inherent human dignity respected by all and protected and promoted by those chosen to do so. Judging by what I saw on a recent visit to rural schools in the Eastern Cape, this seemingly modest demand is not always being met.

This past week Afrikaans poet Antjie Krog has been much on my mind. In a volume of poetry published in 1995, Krog wrote about being a white Afrikaner woman, a member of the UDF, an ambivalent if loving wife, living in Kroonstad in the late nineteen eighties trying to make sense of the messed-up world in the dying days of Apartheid. In one poem she writes about a necessary visit to a filthy toilet while menstruating, with her handbag clenched between her teeth and her blood-red tampon (folded into bank deposit slips) clutched in her hand:

dinge natuurlik waaroor ‘n mens nooit ‘n gedig sou skryf nie/ dring in die nuwe territory poetic temas binne…./ pis ek rillend verstard effens hurkend/ tussen my bene deur/ in ‘n toiletbak tot in die helfte opgehoop/ met minstens vier verskillende kleure kak/ elke senupunt van weersin orent om mal te word/ as maar net ‘n enkele druppel op teen my sou spat.” (“Things of course about which one would never write a poem/ force their way into the territory of poetic themes …/I piss shuddering rigid half squatting/ between my legs/ into a toilet bowl heaped halfway up/ with at least four different colours of shit/ every nerve-ending of aversion alert to go mad/ if even a single drop would splash against me.”)

In this searing but ironic poem in which the poet recoils from the bodily excretion of others while herself excreting bodily fluids and contributing to the filth, Krog hints at the problematic nature of living even a relatively privileged life (whether you are a politician, a tenderpreneur, a businessman or somebody “who worked for” your money by being lucky enough to have rich parents) in a shockingly unequal society. There is always a danger that you will easily slide into self-congratulatory handwringing about the horror and injustice you find around you. You might also find solace in the angry and self-righteous condemnation of others who are not doing more to eradicate inequality. You can also easily become immobilised by a sense of hopelessness and futility in the nihilistic belief that change is no longer possible.

On a visit to several schools in rural Eastern Cape organised by Equal Education as part of a delegation led by Archbishop Thabo Makgoba, we indeed saw much that would anger most sane people and could easily lead to a sense of despair. We saw 132 grade 9 learners crammed into one classroom at Ntaphane Senior Secondary School, hardly a textbook in sight. At Nyagilizwe Senior Secondary School, filthy overflowing toilets with broken doors might have challenged even Krog’s abilities of description. At Sampson Senior Primary School in the Libode District, our little ones get taught in mud huts and do not have the “luxury” of toilet facilities at all (they have to go into the bushes to relieve themselves). At one school we were told that the school had to close for two days because SADTU, the teacher’s union, was conducting regional elections for office bearers (although the principle was too scared to be quoted on this), hinting at the sometime destructive role played by union leaders in this education crisis.

How learners and teachers manage this overcrowding, lack of facilities and often also lack of textbooks, is beyond me. Why this shocking, often racialised, inequality in education is allowed to continue and why our politicians are not treating this as a national crisis is beyond my comprehension. Compare the situation in many of these schools to the suburban schools in and around Cape Town, and the human cost of inequality in South Africa hits home.

But not all is gloom and doom. Some teachers and principals soldier on and try to make a difference, despite the conditions. I saw a feisty school principal overseeing an overcrowded school with magisterial self-discipline and belief in the children. I saw another teacher conducting the school choir that won the national championship last year. Everywhere we went we saw evidence of poor communities scraping together funds to build extra classrooms and to improve the school facilities without any help from the Department. These are not people who, in the imagination of some big city grouches, are lazy leeches waiting for government handouts.

What is to be done? What immediate steps can be taken to begin the process that would give all learners – regardless of race and social and economic background – a fighting chance to flourish and to reach their full potential as a human being? (Surely this is what our Constitution promises?) There is no silver bullet that will fix our education system. I am skeptical about populist gestures (like declaring teaching an essential service or re-introducing inspectors), because, on their own, these measures won’t make much of a difference. (And we must remember that teachers enjoy the same human rights guaranteed for everyone else in the Constitution.)

But here are some humble suggestions for turning the ship around and beginning to address the national emergency that is our unequal education system.

Section 5A of the South African Schools Act empowers the Minister of Basic Education to promulgate Minimum Norms and Standards for School Infrastructure. Promulgating such norms and standards would constitute an important first step at addressing the basic infrastructure problems in education because it would set a minimum benchmark and would provide a tool that communities, principals and NGOs could use to hold the Education Department and its often lethargic and bungling officials accountable. Everywhere I saw evidence that communities are ready to play their role, but the Minister has so far been too scared or too callous to provide these communities with an important empowering tool to hold officials to account.

The Minister – in terms of an out of court settlement with Equal Education – has promised to promulgate such norms and standards, but the draft norms and standards issued for comment are so laughably vague that they would not serve any accountability function at all. The draft states that in order to create even the basic minimum standards in which children could learn with a semblance of dignity, these goals had to be realised “progressively” (no respect for the dignity of learners in the meantime) and that MECs for education had to develop plans to provide all schools in each province with the basic minimum facilities. (Remember these basic facilities do not include libraries and laboratories found in most former model C schools – but merely working toilets, manageable class sizes, brick and mortar structures.)

 

But on Friday, Eldred Fray, an official of the Eastern Cape Department responsible for infrastructure development in the province for the past 19 years, told us that the Department had no medium- or long-term plan for addressing infrastructure problems. Where are the excel spreadsheets, the maps, the statistics, the set of principles according to which priorities would be determined? Why are officials and politicians not having sleepless nights about the fact that even 19 years after the advent of democracy, we are perpetuating instead of eradicating inequalities in our education system?

Are we going to have to wait another 19 years before the Eastern Cape MEC finalises a medium- and long-term plan to address infrastructure deficiencies in schools across the province? If these draft norms and standards are adopted, this seems like a likely scenario. Unless the minimum norms and standards set clear and precise targets and deadlines for meeting those targets, there is no hope that the officials tasked with implementing the plan will do their jobs properly or that they will be held accountable if they don’t. After all, in 2010 National Treasury allocated almost R7 billion for the eradication of mud schools, but most of that money was never spent and was returned to Treasury or rolled over to future years.

Improving infrastructure in schools to a level that would at least give children a fighting chance to learn – in an environment befitting a human being, with inherent human dignity – is a first step to deal with the education crisis. But it won’t solve the problem. A second step would be to get officials to do their jobs and to hold them accountable if they do not. Everywhere we went we were told that managers from the Department were inaccessible or missing in action. Officials from District Offices fail to answer correspondence, seldom visit schools (in one school we were told the last time an official visited was 1991) and seldom inform their superiors of problems in schools in their jurisdictions in order to avoid “trouble” and to make sure that they do not make more work for themselves. How many officials have been fired for not doing the job South Africans pay them to do?

Many teachers are demoralised, not only because of the appalling conditions and large classes, but also because some of their fellow teachers shirk their duties. Almost 40,000 teachers are absent from school every day, and absenteeism falls disproportionately on Mondays and Fridays. Surely the system can only work if teachers who are serial absconders are held to account? Yet teachers’ unions often protect such teachers instead of doing what is in the interest of the learners, and that is why political will is needed to challenge the faction inside the union leadership who places the narrow interest of its members above the interest of society.

These proposals would only constitute modest first steps to begin to turn the ship around. But even such modest steps will not be taken unless there is political will right from the top. We need a president who drops in unannounced at District Offices across the country and demands accountability for officials. We need a Minister who is prepared to set minimum norms and standards and to hold officials accountable if they do not meet these. This is a burning issue of transformation. A government who purports to have as its raison d’être the eradication of inequality and the transformation of society has no excuse not to show the political will to deal with the crisis. (The DA in the Western Cape is another matter.) If we want to begin to address educational inequality, our politicians must stop playing politics with education and must be honest and brave enough to stick their necks out and to demand accountability from officials and, yes, also from those teachers who are not doing their jobs.

As citizens of a free country, this, surely, is the least that we can demand? It is only when ordinary voters in their millions make their voices heard and tell the responsible politicians that we will only lend our vote to their political party (whether ANC nationally or DA in the Western Cape) if they show that they will take action and will hold those officials accountable whose inaction is robbing many of our children of their future.

  • Chris

    In a democracy attention will be paid to your demand because your vote counts. In the rural Eastern Cape the ANC is for all practical puposes the only political party, and the ANC knows it. For as long as the ANC remains so dominant in that area, the problem will persist.

  • Mike

    You deserve the goverment you vote for.
    The entire sanitation system of the SADF on the Angolan and Caprivi Strip consisted of long drops.Never a health problem because it was part of the daily duty of the medical corps to ensure that lime was put down those toilets.
    I have on many an occasion castigated a taxi driver for sweeping his rubbish out of his taxi into a residential street only to be laughed at.
    The population of this country is litters at will, so dont expect a different attitude towards toilets at schools in rural areas.

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    The ANC understands only one language.

    And if you wish to contest this explain the difference in the way the ANC approaches public service wage negotiations and the Transnet pensioners whose pension fund the ANC looted.

    When are you going to realise you set the bar too high with this ‘transformative’ world view you keep imposing on government and merely demand proper maintenace and upkeep for the systems already in place?

    ‘Transformation’ destroyed the civil service and the administration of the criminal justice system which can directly be linked to 500 000 deaths.

    Bantu Education and healthcare – pre-transformation – do not look nearly as bad in hindsight, now do they?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    “But on Friday, Eldred Fray, an official of the Eastern Cape Department responsible for infrastructure development in the province for the past 19 years, told us that the Department had no medium- or long-term plan for addressing infrastructure problems. Where are the excel spreadsheets, the maps, the statistics, the set of principles according to which priorities would be determined? Why are officials and politicians not having sleepless nights about the fact that even 19 years after the advent of democracy, we are perpetuating instead of eradicating inequalities in our education system?”

    That is a very simple one to answer I believe. In essence I see it as a long term survival strategy for the ANC. In other words it is calculated. Because the more educated the people become, the more they will challenge ANC racial mobilisation and all this apartheid/white blaming rhetoric.

    This is lesson to be learned from the rise of the MDC in Zimbabwe as well the collapse of Apartheid where as Whites became better educated and exposed to international norms for human rights they eventually rejected Apartheid and the Nats.

  • Maggs Naidu – Zuma knows what he is doing! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Hats off to Equal Education for their continuous and untiring efforts towards creating a better life for all.

    These are the women and men who deserve national recognition, not some oke who stands accused of involvement in the assassination of Dr Walter Rodney.

    But Zuma knows what he is doing.

    http://www.sabc.co.za/news/a/cf7bff004f5d288985238f1e5d06aea0/Decision-to-confer-OT-Award-to-Forbes-Burnham-sparks-controversy-20132304

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    And btw – for the ANC “transformation” means more middle/upper class racial entitlement. The enemy is also it seems no longer “white minority capital” any more but rather the “white male”.

    We should thank our reactionary White liberals, including PdV, for working hard on the ideological paradigm for this displacement strategy.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    The writing was on the wall with the “second phase” campaign for Polokwane.

    “Thus, the economic power relations of the apartheid era have in the main remained intact. The ownership of the economy is still primarily in the hands of white males as it has always been.”

    http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71656?oid=308311&sn=Detail&pid=71616

    Also see the ANC vitriol regarding the latest EE figures where all of the rage is about 1% of the labour market – i.e. upper management/executive demographics.

  • Zoo Keeper

    WTF has transformation to do with anything here Professor?????

    It is solely about education – you know, the thing which really upset a whole bunch of people back in 1976?

    Oh wait, you praise the ANC who hated everything about 1976. If they treasured 1976, you’d have been spared the experience of what the ANC does to poor black people.

    Yes Professor, the ANC has done that to black people. Not PW Botha, Not BJ Vorster, not Verwoerd, not Malan, not anybody who is fucking white.

    In 1994 the ANC came to power and it went tits up. During Mandela’s presidency many things happened, all of them negative for education.

    Things such as the closure of teacher training colleges. The removal of the school inspectorate. Public schools are now “deemed” quality controlled by legislative fiat. Most of these negatives were brought in by SADTU who wanted cushy jobs for their members and so no-one could ever get fired as a teacher.

    There is no incentive for teachers to continue their education.

    We have one of the largest education budgets in the world, and one of the worst outcomes.

    This has precisely fuck all to do with Apartheid, white people or “transformation”. It has everything to do with a party in power which is ideologically opposed to private enterprise and the need for education to stimulate economic growth. For this reason, the ANC will never prioritise quality of education.

    And by the way, your beloved ANC emptied the schools and destroyed the culture of education during the 1980s. Young school kids were armed and sent to die on the steel sides of casspirs.

    Do you know the use of child soldiers is a war crime and a crime against humanity? The ANC used tens of thousands in the blink of an eye so they could get power. And you excuse the ANC their role in this complete cluster fuck?

    The ANC dropped the pass mark from 50% to 30% – Is that Apartheid’s fault?

    If you do-gooders at CASCA had any fucking idea you would take the legislation governing education head-on.

    Problem is, you know it is not the fault of whites that this situation exists. And it because you can’t blame it on whites, you find yourself paralyzed. I can see you sipping your espresso exclaiming: “OMG – its not the whites’ fault so I guess we can’t do fuck all about it then!”

    Don’t come with your “privilege” bullshit either. 70% of all private school children are black kids from deprived backgrounds. Bishops, Michaelhouse and the like are a tiny fraction of what private schools are out there.

    Looks like the one person on this blog who needs some education on why education in this country is so fucked is you.

    Why don’t you call ISASA and speak to one of their honchos about education in this country. Sit down with one of the old balding bunch (who have a couple of struggle credentials, even if they are white) and listen to what they have to say.

    Listen to them.

    I promise you that you will not like what you will hear.

  • Maggs Naidu – Zuma knows what he is doing! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Zoo Keeper
    April 29, 2013 at 9:39 am

    ZooKy,

    “We have one of the largest education budgets in the world, and one of the worst outcomes.”

    Ja, but we’re doing better than YEMEN!!!!!!

    p.s. When you calm down, you’ll see that not much of what you say makes sense.

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    You really have said it all, ZooKeeper!

    Look, many of Pierre’s observations ARE helpful – they’re not all of this variety: “Compare the situation in many of these schools to the suburban schools in and around Cape Town” and “(The DA in the Western Cape is another matter.)”

    Seems to me Mike’s observation is a cogent one – this is a problem of management. Appoint a SADTU member to oversee toilet duty at your average school and it will walk away muttering masipa hau.

    As with everything the ANC is involved in the key is accountability = accurate performance appraisal and the old Dunning-Kruger effect.

    I know SFA about Education but the first thing I would have done if I was in Angie’s bloomers is sit with a copy of the census in my hand and try work out how many kids hit school in three years two years next year so one can gauge how many new classrooms one needs when. Oh, wait – for how many years did we not have a census?

    Seems to me we need to use the Skills Act and the NQF in tandem with the education legislation – generate objective standards of competency in education planning and performance appraisal.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Maggs Naidu – Zuma knows what he is doing! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    April 29, 2013 at 10:01 am

    “When you calm down, you’ll see that not much of what you say makes sense.”

    Thank you maggs. What makes sense is that Cyril Ramaphosa billionaire BEE director on Lonmin board with 18% stake would be elected deputy prez of the ANC just months after Marikana.

    “Mpofu said he would argue the collusion between the state and capital was directly linked to the events of August 16 “in which 34 people were killed, more than 100 injured and more than 200 arrested”. Mpofu referred to a chain of e-mails in which Ramaphosa, whose company Shanduka owns 18% of Lonmin, called for the deployment of the army and police and for “concomitant action” to be taken to end the strike. Ramaphosa mentioned in an e-mail sent on August 15 that he had met with Mineral Resources Minister Susan Shabangu. “I called her and told her that her silence and inaction about what is happening at Lonmin was bad for her and the Government,” Ramphosa wrote.”

    http://www.citypress.co.za/politics/ramaphosa-called-for-deadly-violence-marikana-lawyer-claims/

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Maggot, I told you years ago why my cousin’s father in law – principal of one of the top ‘former Model C schools on the East Rand (WTF is a former Model C school anyway?) – said one can do nothing about black education.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    And then our “anti-apartheid” activist/Britsh MP Mr Peter Hain also sounds confused and contradictory. Except for not mentioning that Lonmin is a British mining company at all.

    “Last August’s massacre of striking black miners at Lonmin’s Marikana platinum mine outside Rustenberg for many symbolised all that is wrong with Zuma’s South Africa today: “a watershed for the ANC”, Ronnie Kasrils told me bluntly. Filming at Marikana, I was told by lawyers representing families of the dead miners that the massacre was pre-planned.”

    And then a couple of paragraphs later – a glimmer of hope?

    “Mandela’s ANC inspired the world, and although there has since been a collapse in values and integrity by self-interested party leaders locally and nationally, there remain many decent, dedicated and principled ANC members, and its policies are still based upon the original values of the founders. Cyril Ramaphosa’s recent election as deputy president is potentially hugely significant: a former miners’ leader who remains a struggle hero despite his billionaire status and business credibility. Immensely able, he was Mandela’s personally favoured successor back in the 1990s.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/10007483/Peter-Hain-My-South-Africa-riven-by-self-interest.html

  • Louise Mabille

    It may sound trivial, but I was yet again struck by the word ‘learner’ in the text. One of the reasons why the ‘transformation’ of education is such an abysmal failure, is because it is being done in the name of a vague, spineless ideology that is defined purely by hatred for the past, rather than a commitment to the people themselves. The education Department has, ever since Kader Asmal, been driven by moronic, pseudo-intellectual ideals that sounded politically correct, but had no actual content. It has been more of a priority to introduce words like ‘learner’ to replace ‘pupil’ and to erradicate school discipline rather than to address the ground issues.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue – the real enemy is the BLACK MAIL

    Louise Mabille
    April 29, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Correct. It is all part of this displacement phenomena/strategy.

    A Constitution and a type of liberalism that guarantees the right of gays/lesbians to get married and so forth and so on – while “learners” in Eastern Cape schools go without basic amenities, education, etc.

  • Deloris Dolittle

    Good piece Pierre, and heart breaking conditions, it leaves me feeling so frustrated that they who eve ris in charge here / too blame for the mess, does not get down to sorting it out. Like you say, where is the planning, teh spead sheets, the slightest evidence that an attempt is being made to improve the situation.

    But there are some hard questions that you are not asking. Why is it always only on group of teachers on strike, the same group that makes them guildty of staying away from school on Monday’s and Friday’s or come late in the mornings? Why is it that teaching at former model C schools go on uninterupted throughout strike action by SADTU. Why is it that the officials don’t answer correspondence or do their work? The moral culture in this country needs to be assessed and if found lacking changed. ANd that is the hard thing to do. To change people’s habits is not easy. But people need to realise that work should come first, only after doing all your work (and any work which your colleges don’t feel like doing without demanding extra pay) should you be allowed to take part in political activities. ‘Work, people, work’ should be our country’s motto.

  • Mike

    Louise Mabille

    April 29, 2013 at 10:33 am

    you make a good point.

    I was involved in the construction of the new state of the art Nelson Mandela hospital in Umtata ten years ago when at that time incidences were occurring that schools had been awarded to black contractors only to find that after the payment of three monthly certificates the construction site still had grass growing on it with goats and sheep grazing.
    I find it shocking that Pierre De Vos has only woken up now as to what has been going on in the Eastern Cape in the last 17 years, it is vrot with corruption, corruption that Mandela himself was aware of.
    What has happened to all the Japanese funded schools in the Eastern Cape, some 150 of them, because there design allowed for state of the art aeration systems on the toilets instead of water borne sewerage.

  • Gwebecimele

    http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Mining-CEOs-must-take-a-pay-cut-NUM-20130428

    These CEO’s are waiting for those Eastern Cape learners to work in their mines.

  • Maggs Naidu – Zuma knows what he is doing! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Louise Mabille
    April 29, 2013 at 10:33 am

    Louise,

    “The education Department has, ever since Kader Asmal,”

    His predecessor too – Prof Bhengu …

    They have been the start of the disaster which is now our education!

  • http://pvzopinion.co.za/ Pieter van Zyl

    The population distribution in the old Transkei/Ciskei region is a real headache for any government. Communities are small, spread over a huge geographical area and extremely impoverished. Some schools only have about 40 pupils and one teacher. There is no electricity or other basic amenities. Setting up new infrastructure is costly and is bound to be underutilised. In one instance the community looted a new hospital for window frames, doors, etc.

    The best solution I can come up with is to move away from the traditional concept of rural schools for this region and to establish a few well equiped educational centres in strategic locations. Provide hostels and proper live-in facilities for children at these centres. It will then become cost-effective to establish proper infrastructure only at these locations. It will also be more attractive for teachers to work there. You can then close down the old mud schools and focus attention on a few large educational institutions rather than many small ones. This should be easier to manage.

    One of the problems I experienced in dealing with the EC government is that, while there are many sincere and hard-working people at management and admin level, at political level there are ongoing power-political games being played and getting a practical project off the ground is not easy. Perhaps the solution is to get a philantropist like Warren Buffet, Bill Gates or Oprah Winfrey (all of whom already pump millions of dollars into SA education every year) involved and take the project out of the hands of government.

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Pieter, a friend of mine’s father built up a hugely successful SOS village in Botswana. He was got rid of to make way for a crony.

    When he visited his handiwork 2 years later a number of the little girls were prenant by the new ‘house-father’.

    You better plan for that going in.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Pieter van Zyl
    April 29, 2013 at 11:28 am

    “Communities are small, spread over a huge geographical area and extremely impoverished. Some schools only have about 40 pupils and one teacher. There is no electricity or other basic amenities. Setting up new infrastructure is costly and is bound to be underutilised”

    I’m sorry but I don’t fall for that. Take the Libode District for example – only about 30 km from Mthata with tarred road access and an Absa bank. In comparison to the rest rural of Africa that is a luxury and there is no reason for kids to be going to school in mud huts and without proper proper sewerage.

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    http://afrikaans.news24.com/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Onderwysbeamptes-vas-vir-bedrog-20130429

    Onderwysbeamptes vas vir bedrog
    2013-04-29 11:55

    Johannesburg – Ses beamptes van die onderwysdepartement se streekskantoor in Modimolle, Limpopo, is in hegtenis geneem nadat hulle glo spook-onderwysers geskep en die salarisse in hul sakke gesteek het, het die Valke Maandag gesê.

    “Hulle het na bewering glo meer as R330 000 gesteel nadat hulle ses onderwysers se kontrakte sonder hul medewete hernu het,” het kapt. Paul Ramaloko, woordvoerder van die Valke, gesê.

    Die beamptes, wat in die kantoor se menslike hulpbronne- en finansiële departemente aangestel was, het die geld glo tussen Augustus 2012 en April hierdie jaar ontvang.

    “Die enigste ding wat hulle verander het, was die onderwysers se bankbesonderhede. Die onderwysers was steeds op die stelsel, selfs nadat hul kontrakte met die departement nooit hernu was nie.”

    Die vier vroue en twee mans, wat tussen 27 en 60 jaar oud is, staan tereg op aanklagte van bedrog, korrupsie en diefstal. Hulle sal Dinsdag in die Modimolle-landdroshof verskyn.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Libode, Eastern Cape, South Africa

    http://goo.gl/maps/V4dmR

  • Maggs Naidu – The poor did not join the struggle! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    With the SKA potentially bringing in several billion rand, we’re creating the space (excuse the pun) for scientists, engineers, cosmologists and professionals from other specialised field from far and wide.

    Our government seems to have a good plan to produce cleaners and garbage pickers to service these and other opportunities – after all someone has to do that essential work.

    As we saw in the soccer world cup, the tender for the “Zakumi : Spirit of South Africa 2010″ went to the Chairperson of the Economic Development Committee in KZN.

    And guess where this loyal, patriotic, ANC comrade had those made?

    In economically depressed KZN? In the DA controlled WC? In, Gauteng, the leading economy in Africa?

    Of course not – our Zakumi was produced in CHINA.

    As always FUCK THE POOR!!!!!

  • Gwebecimele

    This one too will pass and another white man will come and partner a politician to profit out of this misery.

  • http://pvzopinion.co.za/ Pieter van Zyl

    Gwebecimele, very cynical but sadly probably true. When provincial governments feel the pressure they often jump on the Public Private Partnership bandwagon and although these are meant to be positive vehicles to solve problems, they often become exploitative with government taking the risk and forking out the money while the private partner simply rakes in the profit. These deals are risk-free and lucrative and private companies often will break all the rules to secure these tenders.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Pieter van Zyl
    April 29, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    “Gwebecimele, very cynical but sadly probably true.”

    Hi Pieter.

    Why don’t you then do us all a favour and resign from your cush job. Check the latest EE reports, you are part of that 1% White elites that are keeping Black executives out. You seem to offer your miserable White guilt like a down payment on behalf of all us “white men” but it is working class and middle class whites that are paying the price and being “transformed” – anything and everybody else besides yourselves.

    You are the ones, corrupt white types that are part of the problem, not the solution.

  • http://pvzopinion.co.za/ Pieter van Zyl

    Ozoneblue, I simply have been around long enough to have seen both sides of the story. On the EE stats, you can see my opinion here http://pvzopinion.co.za/?p=271 Ironically it also addresses White Guilt :) If you read some of my other posts, you’ll also see that I believe that racist legislation such as EE and BEE actually compounds the problem instead of solving it. I’m not sure how you come to the conclusion that I’m corrupt though. Perhaps you just needed to get that off your chest?

  • Zoo Keeper

    Professor

    I have calmed down a little now!

    I ran a bit wild at the top but what I said was general anger at what the ANC has done to our future. It is the primary reason I have a very low level of confidence in our future.

    Eat this elephant piece by piece. If you are as pro-poor as you claim, you are obliged to.

    Take your CASCA lot and launch a legal challenge to the mechanism that the State uses to “deem” State schools quality controlled.

    That’s all.

    Removing that will then force provincial school folk to appoint inspectors and get off their fat arses and do something.

    The reason you lament the fact that they don’t give a fuck is because legally they don’t have any obligation to give said fuck. In fact, the legislation has deemed them to have already given a fuck – everything is therefore 100% correct.

    What you saw in the Transkei is the logical outcome of the current legislative environment.

    Let’s have an opinion from you on that singular aspect of the legislation – that way you’re beginning to do something about the cluster fuck-storm you just witnessed.

    You can dismiss me all you like, but you cannot in good conscience dismiss the kids whose futures you just witnessed being tossed out like the contents of their communal shit bucket.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Pieter van Zyl
    April 29, 2013 at 13:23 pm

    You are right. I don’t know you from a bar of soap so I didn’t mean you personally are corrupt, if you took it like that I apologise.

    “You are the ones, corrupt white types”

    But what I have noticed is that the Whites who are the most apologetic for black corruption and incompetence are also the ones who themselves are most racist and or corrupt. Blacks are corrupt you know and we need to understand and live with it. Even worse – Whites and 1000 years of colonialism are the reason Blacks are corrupt, they have no moral agency or accountability themselves. And here I’m referring to your eagerness to respond to gwebs familiar knee-jerk response, again defecting the blame to some unknown “white man” and you being so ready to agree and roll over like a lapdog.

  • sirjay jonson

    Maggs Naidu – Zuma knows what he is doing! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    April 29, 2013 at 10:01 am @Zoo Keeper April 29, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Actually Maggs, I think Zoo Keeper actually wrote quite clearly about the issue.
    In 2006-7 as the programs director for a local NPO, and following 1.8M being defrauded by a cocky SA version of a black panther hustler, we established a creche/pre-school (with qualified teacher) to serve the many young children of our dorp’s black informal settlement. WC was ANC at the time. Apart from being taken to High Court in Capetown for land invasion, which was unsuccessful, it was not until the DA won the WC that funds were allotted in accordance with the DA dept of Ed policies.

    Were it not for the donations of an anonymous individual the establishment of 4 buildings (now seven) flush toilets, water, electricity (all of which we had to fight for tooth and nail just to implement at our cost), with three feedings a day, the pre-school would not have arisen.

    One can bad mouth the DA all they want, not that I agree, however their commitment to education is the best in SA.

  • sirjay jonson

    One last note of interest pertaining to the creche/pre school development. Just prior to the DA win instructions came from officials at the District Municipality and from the Provincial Dept of Education (verbally) that until the white face boer left the board and withdrew all activity at the pre-school, there would be no funds forthcoming. As a Cdn farm boy, although disappointed, I was flattered. Racism, yay or nay? And although I resigned, the funds still didn’t appear until the DA won.

    I’m still active there, just not on the board.

  • Gwebecimele

    Now we know who slept throughout the Managaung Conference.

    http://www.iol.co.za/the-star/sacp-deserves-a-political-dissing-1.1507959

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder – Know Your Desperate Alternative!

    @ fahsion china handbags

    “The sector desires for all the more ardent writers just like you who are not scared to note how they imagine.”

    Zookeeper, is this addressed to you?

    Thanks.

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Sirjay, what happened with respect to the R1,8m that was literally stolen out of the mouths of babes?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    And again it is not the ANC who formulates racist employment policies and the ANC government who implements them or the ANC spokesmen that talks about “concentrated Coloureds”.

    It is again the fault of those racist white men.

    http://ewn.co.za/2013/04/29/Affirmative-Action-case-unnecessary—ANC

  • Zoo Keeper

    Brett

    Wasn’t that the amount Cmde Blade spent on his ministerial cars?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Again – racist white men causing all of this “racial antagonism” troubles.

    “The court said the main stumbling block which prevented Munsamy’s promotion was a document, authored by the police’s employment equity division, which said that 70 percent of the posts were earmarked for black people.

    “Fixed quotas for the promotion process were essentially established. The numerical goals document reflected that Africans were to be awarded 192 posts. As there were only 195 posts available for promotional purposes, this target reflects that almost 100 percent of the proposed posts were to be given to African applicants. If the document had been followed strictly, it would have required that no single Indian person be promoted.”

    http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/policeman-was-discriminated-against-1.1507649

  • Zoo Keeper

    Maggs

    LOL!!!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    LOL.

    “Africans were to be awarded 192 posts”

    That about says it all – in “nonracial” South Africa you are “awarded” a post if you are an African. It is like the Academy Awards but no White/Coloured/Indian actors are to be considered.

  • Maggs Naidu – The poor did not join the struggle! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Here’s a fact that may not surprise you: the children of the rich perform better in school, on average, than children from middle-class or poor families. Students growing up in richer families have better grades and higher standardized test scores, on average, than poorer students; they also have higher rates of participation in extracurricular activities and school leadership positions, higher graduation rates and higher rates of college enrollment and completion. …

    So how can we move toward a society in which educational success is not so strongly linked to family background? Maybe we should take a lesson from the rich and invest much more heavily as a society in our children’s educational opportunities from the day they are born. Investments in early-childhood education pay very high societal dividends. That means investing in developing high-quality child care and preschool that is available to poor and middle-class children. It also means recruiting and training a cadre of skilled preschool teachers and child care providers. These are not new ideas, but we have to stop talking about how expensive and difficult they are to implement and just get on with it.

    But we need to do much more than expand and improve preschool and child care. There is a lot of discussion these days about investing in teachers and “improving teacher quality,” but improving the quality of our parenting and of our children’s earliest environments may be even more important. Let’s invest in parents so they can better invest in their children.

    http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/27/no-rich-child-left-behind/?src=me&ref=general

  • http://pvzopinion.co.za/ Pieter van Zyl

    Maggs, I think it is easy to argue that if parents really understood the responsibility of bringing up children, they wouldn’t be so quick to have them. But when you’re so poor that things look as if they couldn’t get worse, you don’t think of such things.

    It becomes the responsibility of us, as a society, to create hope for the poorest of our fellow citizens in order that they can assume a sense of responsibility, even at a personal level. it is too easy to write people off. Much more difficult to lift them up. That is the real challenge.

  • Maggs Naidu – The poor did not join the struggle! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Pieter van Zyl
    April 29, 2013 at 21:07 pm

    Pieter,

    “It becomes the responsibility of us, as a society, to create hope for the poorest of our fellow citizens in order that they can assume a sense of responsibility, even at a personal level.”

    Agreed.

    It goes to the essence of Pierre’s post “Education: it’s about transformation, stupid”.

    Unfortunately our government seems either not to have grasped that or if they have then they simply don’t care.

  • http://pvzopinion.co.za/ Pieter van Zyl

    Maggs, reading all the comments here, it seems clear that there is not much point relying on the government to take the lead or even support the actions that will really uplift society. But I think that if civil society tackles one small problem at a time, get the right sponsors and solve it, we can by-pass the beaurocracy and corruption of government. Maybe the real meaning of living in a democracy is to stop being intimidated by the power of government? After all, it’s really about putting food on the table of each South African family.

  • Maggs Naidu – The poor did not join the struggle! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Procrastination and lies

    In 2004, then-president Thabo Mbeki said: “By the end of this year, we shall ensure that there is no learner learning under a tree, [or in a] mud school …”

    In 2006, Mkhangeli Matomela, then MEC for education in the Eastern Cape, said: “I’m ­confident we will eradicate mud schools in the next two financial years.”

    In 2007, then education minister Naledi Pandor said: “Fifty percent of the mud schools will be rebuilt between 2007 and 2009.”

    In 2008, Mahlubandile Qwase, then MEC for education in the Eastern Cape, said: “It is my plan that the eradication of mud schools must be fast-tracked in the 2010/11 financial year.”

    In 2011, Basic Education Minister Angie Motshekga said: “By 2014, we will have eradicated all mud schools in the province”, and in 2013 she said: “By 2015, in terms of mud schools, we should be done.” — Compiled by Equal Education

    http://mg.co.za/article/2013-03-08-00-forgotten-schools-of-the-eastern-cape-left-to-rot

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    In addition to everyone already paying 60% of their income in tax, Pieter?

  • Maggs Naidu – The poor did not join the struggle! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Pieter van Zyl
    April 29, 2013 at 21:32 pm

    Pieter,

    “Maybe the real meaning of living in a democracy is to stop being intimidated by the power of government?”

    There’s no indication that the middle/upper wealth classes are intimidated by the power of government.

    From much of that which is in the public arena, it seems quite the opposite.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Pieter van Zyl
    April 29, 2013 at 21:32 pm

    “Maggs, reading all the comments here, it seems clear that there is not much point relying on the government to take the lead or even support the actions that will really uplift society.”

    In fact we don’t need government or expect much from them at all. All we need are some very rich American people preferably like Bil Gates or Oprah Winfrey that will save the poor peoples like Bono or Bill Gates!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    But especial in America there are some very, very poor people.

    “The number of people living in poverty in the United States rose last year to 49.7 million, based on a new measure that provides a fuller picture of poverty than that previously reported by U.S. Census Bureau data. The revised poverty rate of 16.1 percent is up more than a percentage point from the 15 percent figure reported by the government in September.

    Coming a little more than a week after the 2012 elections, the news that nearly one in six Americans is living in poverty received little attention in the media or from the Obama administration. Neither big-business party has any policies to alleviate growing poverty, which is exacerbated by entrenched unemployment and a sluggish economy.

    The Supplemental Poverty Measure (SPM), devised a year ago, factors in expenses for food, clothing, shelter, utilities, health care and other essentials beyond what the previous official formula took into account. It includes in its income measure such government-provided benefits as Social Security, unemployment benefits and nutrition assistance.

    The SPM figures released by the Census Bureau on Thursday show that while some households may have incomes above the poverty line, factors such as medical expenses are pushing increasing numbers into poverty. The new figures also indicate that the tepid job growth in the more than four years since the financial crisis has come mostly in the form of low-wage jobs that in many cases are not able to lift families out of poverty.”

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/nearly-50-million-living-in-poverty-in-us/5312028

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder – Know Your Desperate Alternative!

    @ PdV

    “The DA in the Western Cape is another matter.”

    Precisely. Although there are no doubts challenges in the Eastern Cape, the learners there must thank GOD they are not subject to the pestilential rule of the DA in the Western Cape. There, “Madame” Zille is dedicated to arbitrarily closing most black schools — and forcing the few that remain open to conduct all lessons waste deep in unclosed “ZILLE”-style sewage pits, in full view of passing motorists!

    Thanks.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder – Know Your Desperate Alternative!

    @ Ozoneblue

    “The number of people living in poverty in the United States rose last year to 49.7 million”

    Ozone, surely you are not saying that the level of poverty in the US has reached a level equivalent to that of whites in South Africa, where almost 42% of children die of starvation every day!

    Thanks.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder – Know Your Desperate Alternative!
    April 29, 2013 at 23:16 pm

    LOL.

    I’m homing in on the abject poverty in USA, stupid. Much like the latest SA Employment Equity report homes in on that 1% of our labour force that is not “transformed”.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue – fuck the ANC

    MFD – this one is for you.

    Black diamonds outshine whites

    “South Africa’s black middle class has grown 250% over the past eight years from 1.7-million in 2004 to an estimated 4.2-million last year. The adult population of the white middle class has grown from 2.8-million in 2004 to 3-million last year.”

    http://www.bdlive.co.za/national/2013/04/28/black-diamonds-outshine-whites

    The bad news is that “white males” simply don’t “control the economy” any more.

    ANC RACIAL MOBALISATION team – please start dreaming up somethin new!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue – fuck the ANC

    So the black middle class grew from 1.7-million to 4.2-million = 250%.

    White middle class grew from 2.8-million to 3-million = 1%.

    So racial “transformation” has been slow, ain’t it?

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    OBS, you’ve been in awesome form lately. Taken on every illogical comer and trashed their silly arguments.

    I’m even considering not referring to you as Old Brown Sherry.

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Well, Sipho surely has put all the detail in the public domain, hasn’t he? Awesome article.

    Now we just need the footage of that silly female cop telling eNCA/eNuus the cops are going to use ‘maximum force’ to end the demonstration then all the threads can be tied together.

    I am loath to make a hero out of any member of the SAPS because they invariably turn out to have feet of clay but Mpembe might be exceptional.

    http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2013-04-30-police-boss-before-marikana-operation-there-will-be-bloodshed/#.UX8OPIU6xDk

    On Monday, the Marikana Commission of Inquiry heard that at least one very senior police officer could see no way of proceeding with the 16 August 2012 police operation without bloodshed. It’s a revelation that pours water on suggestions by other police bosses, especially the national commissioner Riah Phiyega, that a well-planned operation was unexpectedly disrupted, leaving the police with no option but to take lives in order to save their own. By SIPHO HLONGWANE.

    The transcripts of meetings held between the police, Lonmin management and union bosses in the days before the 16 August operation that left 34 people dead and another 78 injured show that Lieutenant-General William Mpembe, the deputy police commissioner for the North West province, was worried that a grand intervention by the police to halt the impasse would make the situation worse, possibly even with the loss of lives. At the same meetings, the presidents of the Association of Mineworkers and Construction Union (AMCU) and the National Union of Mineworkers (NUM) discussed the difficulties they had with the crowd of striking miners, and it was made quite clear that tempers were frayed and tensions were extremely high.

    This information was revealed at the commission set up to investigate the violent wildcat strike at Lonmin last year, and the deadly police operation that unsuccessfully tried to end it. Major-General Charl Annandale (one of the specialised top national intervention unit officers) was under cross-examination on Monday, asked to explain how he came to Marikana, and why the operation went the way that it did.

    The reasons why Annandale and his units were called in are of great interest to the lawyers at the inquiry, as he heads units that fall under the SAPS operational response division. The SAPS website says that these units “stabilise tense crime situations where normal policing is not enough”. Some lawyers, including George Bizos SC, have argued that the presence of these special units shows that the stated intention and actual intention of the police on 16 August was different. The public order policing units were supposedly more than capable of handling the situation had they been present in adequate numbers.

    Annandale was being asked about the state of police preparedness when he was asked to read transcripts of meetings held between Mpembe, AMCU president Joseph Mathunjwa, NUM president Senzeni Zokwana and Lonmin management on 15 August. It is clear that Mpembe was still in command at the time (though his boss Zukiswa Mbombo would suddenly take over the next day) and he is directly negotiating with the union presidents, the two men he believes can achieve a rapport with the protesters in a way that the police could not.

    Mpembe makes it very clear that he believes without the successful intervention of Zokwana and Mathunjwa, there would be no peaceful resolution to the strike.

    There are two interesting sections: in the first, Mpembe talks to Mathunjwa and Zokwana before they are both asked to go to the gathering area (Wanderkop) where the miners meet every day, and then there is a debriefing session afterwards. The reason for appealing to the two men was that police intelligence had gathered that some of the protesters were members of NUM or AMCU.

    Both union bosses impress it upon the deputy commissioner that the situation is out of their control – by this point, nobody really believes that the strike is being orchestrated by NUM or AMCU – and they cannot really deliver surrender from the workers. (The AMCU boss manages to get the workers to agree to lay down weapons if the mine management agrees to meet with them, which does not happen at all.)

    Mpembe then says that without that surrender, there would surely be more deaths. Keep in mind that he was very much in command on 13 August when he and other officers tried to corral a break-away group to disarm and disperse it. That did not go well – two police officers and three miners were dead by the time the dust settled. He was well aware of what the consequences of mounting a similar operation on a larger scale without first diffusing tensions would result in death.

    In the first meeting, Mpembe asked Zokwana and Mathunjwa effectively to go and appeal with “their people”. He said: “I am here to do a humble request. We are now faced with a situation where we do not want to be seen as a police [service] that is a brutal human being. At the same time we do not want to be seen as the police who do not comply with the national [and] international standards. My request is one: we need both your intervention. The operation has reached a sensitive stage that we might go and lose more lives. We cannot lose more lives but the people out there are not safe.”

    At the meeting after the expedition to the big koppie, Mpembe said that he still needed to strategise as to how to avert further bloodshed, which also meant preventing deaths amongst the miners. He says that there is a need to address the violence issue, but their intelligence is that the miners are armed and will not readily disarm.

    “It is going to be bloodshed. We still have to resolve that,” Mpembe says. “We still have to resolve this, and we are no more prepared. We have already lost two police officers. We are no more prepared and we are going to lose more police officers. So I don’t know what you are going to do, but we are putting this to you as leadership, and we trust you that this is going to be resolved.

    “We do not know how many people might die tomorrow, or tonight, but people are dying. I know that you also come up and say ‘why are police not intervening’, but they cannot intervene in a situation that is going to cause more harm than good”.

    The inquiry must now decipher how Mpembe’s horrible premonition about the state of police preparedness and the mental state of the protesters apparently went unheeded as a disarm-and-disperse operation was rolled out despite the word from the union bosses to say that they couldn’t possibly convince the protesters to peacefully lay down weapons.

    Outside of the presence of the NIU and Annandale, the Mpembe transcript raises some tough questions for Mbombo and Phiyega to answer. The former took over the operation at a delicate stage and the latter signed off on it before it began. Were they both aware that the police officer who was in charge at Marikana before 16 August thought that it would all end in deaths and tears if they could not somehow find a way to negotiate with the protesters before coming at them with heavy fire? If they were aware of this, why was he ignored?

    It is also important to note that Mpembe is the only senior police officer to be arrested for what happened at Marikana and afterwards. He was taken into custody along with 10 other officers for torturing (or being there when the torture happened) some of the 270 protesters who were arrested on 16 August. He has subsequently denied being there at all, and has sued the minister of police for R1 million, for wrongful arrest. A spokesperson for the North West police said at the time that the deputy commissioner was with President Jacob Zuma at a meeting in Mahikeng when the assaults allegedly took place.

    The commission of inquiry continues.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue – fuck the ANC

    Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?
    April 30, 2013 at 9:22 am

    Brett it is immaterial what the facts are – they will blame it on either/or 1000 years of colonialism, and/or 300 years of apartheid and/or 40 years of Apartheid and/or “white males” who still “control the economy”. Or on White Privilege and/or White Supremacy.

    What we need is an entirely new political party that can UNITE South Africa and doesn’t try to hide it own responsibility behind a white man’s failings or score cheap political points by diversionary tactics and racial mobalisation.

    I will go for WASP thank you very much.

    http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2013-04-29-elections-2014-sas-new-hunting-party/#.UX94atc88VY

  • Maggs Naidu – Professor Zuma knows what he is doing! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    So while everyone is fighting over where (or whether) kids shit, Waterkloof airforce base has been, er, privatised!!!!!

    Well done Professor Zuma.

    Reports have emerged this morning that the Gupta family has been using Waterkloof airforce base to land charter planes full of VIP wedding guests.

    Eyewitness News broke the story on Twitter this morning, saying dozens of Gupta family members arrived at the airforce base from India on chartered flights.

    The family members were reportedly met by a convoy of Range Rovers, Mercedes and buses, and escorted by SAPS VIP protection officers, who turned on their blue lights and sirens as they left the base.

    http://www.enca.com/south-africa/guptas-use-waterkloof-airforce-base-private-landing-strip

  • Maggs Naidu – The DA will bring back apartheid! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    And in other news …

    ANC admits DA poses threat in Eastern Cape

    … The meeting at the East London International Convention Centre was meant to caution ANC deployees in all 45 municipalities to stop infighting and speed up service delivery.

    This follows a damning audit report by the auditor-general Terrence Nombembe which found that none of the province’s 45 municipalities received a clean audit.

    The ANC controls 44 of the 45 municipal councils as well as all six district councils.

    In the report, Qoboshiyane took the meeting through records of the past national election results as well as the 2011 local government elections.

    He said records showed that nationally the ANC’s support was decreasing, while the DA’s support was increasing.

    “In the Eastern Cape ANC’s support also decreased from 84.3% in 1994 to 71.3% in 2009.

    “More concerning is the Nelson Mandela Metro where the ANC’s support dropped from 51.9% while the DA increased its support from 19.1% to 40.1%.

    “Extrapolating this trend to 2014, the ANC could lose the [Eastern Cape’s] biggest metro,” said [MEC Mlibo] Qoboshiyane. …

    http://www.dispatch.co.za/anc-admits-da-poses-threat-in-ec/

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder – Know Your Desperate Alternative!

    @ Maggs (quoting some ANC guy)

    “More concerning is the Nelson Mandela Metro where … the DA increased its support from 19.1% to 40.1%.”

    This is indeed concerning. We know that our people are not stupid. So how could 40% of them in PE support a party that wants to bring back APARTHEID, and would replace “mud” schools with classes taught entirely in glass-enclosed septic tanks?

    Hey?

  • Maggs Naidu – Have you said your three “Hail Guptas” today? (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder – Know Your Desperate Alternative!
    April 30, 2013 at 10:56 am

    Dworky,

    The DA denies that it will bring back APARTHEID!

    But it probably will establish refugee camps for BLACK people.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    I certainly hope they get destroyed in PE. And in demolished in the Western Cape. And in obliterated in the Northern Cape. And in annihilated in Durban. This is just the first step in a total WAR for us to build a united, nonracial, non-sexist national coalition.

    Port Elizabeth – Racial makeup (2001) (from wiki)

    • Black African 13.7%
    • Coloured 30.3%
    • Indian/Asian 3.9%
    • White 52.1%

    eThekwini – Racial makeup (2001)

    • Black African 36.9%
    • Coloured 10.3%
    • Indian/Asian 27.3%
    • White 25.5%

    South Africans of all races, religions and ethnicity should support all progressive initiatives striving toward a united, nonracial, non-sexist South Africa, whether they originate from Solidarity, FW De Klerk Foundation, or the DA, or the socalled “radical Left”.

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Ooops!

    My soooo bad!

    I’ve fallen foul of the Daily Maverick censor again.

  • Zoo Keeper

    Dworky

    LOL!! Classic

  • Maggs Naidu – Have you said your three “Hail Guptas” today? (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    And now? According to @ewnupdates our Emperors did not have (or need) SANDF permission to use the NKP

    http://ewn.co.za/2013/04/30/Gupta-family-gets-royal-SA-escort

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    I assure you, Maggs, you would go far to find more pleasant people than the Guptas.

    John Roberts told me so herself.

    So what if the cunts force South Africans off their roads. Their taxes paid for those roads, no?

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Maggs, do Indians need visas to vist SA?

  • Zoo Keeper

    Brett

    Are 1911′s any good?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    And here we have more of the same ANC/White liberal “nonracial” double-speak from that fucking retard Marius Fransman who must be the last and only “Coloured” left in the ANC.

    “ANC Western Cape leader Marius Fransman says ultimately there is only one race: The human race.”

    “We see how premier Helen Zille mostly appointed white (70%) as well as only male members in her cabinet and more than 65% of her senior managers are white.”

    http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71654?oid=368262&sn=Detail&pid=71616

    Hey Fransman – Do you know what you African brothers say about you COLOUREDS behind your backs. At least they tolerate those bargaining Indians a bit as long as they can get some more free hand-outs from them.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Perhaps Fransman should take same of his own bullshit seriously and would do well to stand back for a Black women as ANC leader in the Western Cape? As I always say to our White liberals – we racist whites are all looking up to you good folks with great exceptions to lead by example from the front.

  • Maggs Naidu – Have you said your three “Hail Guptas” today? (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – +++
    April 30, 2013 at 13:16 pm

    Hey Brett,

    “Maggs, do Indians need visas to vist SA?”

    Mostly.

    But not those who OWN South Africa.

    Our President, Professor Zuma, will explain!

  • Paul Kearney

    Let’s try winch this back to the subject. I have less and less respect for de Vos with each blog. He’s been so cosy in his ivory tower that he didn’t know what schools in rural and township areas have been like for the last 30 years? This EP thing is not new!

    Then “transformation”. Pathetic, meaningless ANC lackey speak that makes up for action. He waffles about “spreadsheets” like ZUma talks about getting rid of corruption. In other words, both have no idea, let alone intention, of actually doing something other than flap their gums (a bit like Nehru and Mags eh). The problem is easily fixed – top to bottom honest, competent, hard working civil servants, generally technicians (not lawyer parasites) who know how to actually get things done; on the ground.

    But while you have politicians whose only reason for being is to feather their own nests and limp wristed, politically correct commentators and academics like de Vos, whose primary goal seems to be to foster racial hatred, things will be lucky just to stay the same in these schools. In other words; don’t waffle – get off your cowardly bony ass and do something.

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Zoo Keeper says:
    April 30, 2013 at 14:16 pm

    I love them. Back in the day where licence applications took 2 weeks I had a Gold Cup and a Combat Commander with the trigger polished and a few other small tuning jobs by Claude Salassa. Flogged them to pay my tuition.

    If you’re Lisbeth looking to carry it all day it is a bit bulky and heavy and the mag capacity is 7 whereas my trusty Tanfoglio takes 15 but there is nothing better I would recommend if you were say Pierre looking for protection mostly at home against stalkers like say OBS.

    Among the guns I bought at auction imprisoned in Silverton SAPS’s SAP13 store is a Norinco clone and a genuine Colt 1911.

    Only question is do we still have smiths like Claude Salassa to tweak them or have the ‘progressives’ run them into penury?

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Well, Mags, lets arrest his guests for illegal immigration!

  • Maggs Naidu – Have you said your three “Hail Guptas” today? (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    “As far as I know, no permission has been granted to a private citizen to use the base. It is a military base and a national key point used by government and its guests,” South African National Defence Force (SANDF) spokesperson Siphiwe Dlamini said on Tuesday.

    http://mg.co.za/article/2013-04-30-guptas-had-no-authorisation-to-use-air-force-base-says-sandf

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Paul, when all my Dobermanns died of old age I got these Belgian Shepherds who didn’t even know how to ‘sit!’. They’d been badly treated so I did not want to hammer them.

    But you can’t have dogs going around killing cats and things like that and they protected the property from day 2 so there had to be control.

    So I went to Midas and got 10m of light nylon rope which I cut in half and put on their choke chains.

    They do not know where the end of the line is, how far they had to be away to escape me.

    Immediately: Control. Now they listen and are happy and probably don’t even remember their bad 1st home.

    ‘Management’ is setting goals and enforcing them. There must be consequences for bad behaviour.

    Do you see consequences for bad behaviour in the Good Ol’ RSA?

  • Graham

    Hey Brett,
    “…. my trusty Tanfoglio takes 15…”
    I’m pleased to see we pack similar heat. Mine is a CZ85.
    I would show it to Pierre, but I’m sure it would scare him big time. The only thing that would frighten him more is Sarah Palin firing an M16 on full auto.
    What a turn-on!

  • beetle

    While Pierre is in the Eastern Cape, he can check out how the 12 year olds are progressing with their permitted, exploratory, mutual sex education.
    Nothing like a hands on approach…… but err… leave the boys alone!

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder – Know Your Desperate Alternative!

    @ Graham

    “I’m pleased to see we pack similar heat. Mine is a CZ85″

    While I respect the ordinance packed by both yourself and Brett, I am already blessed with a “spear” of such length (and girth), as to make a gun unnecessary to my inflated self esteem!

    Thanks.

  • Zulani

    Conflict tearing DOC apart

    The department of communications is in a state of internecine warfare, with the minister, Dina Pule, pitted against her director-general, Rosey Sekese, well-placed sources have told TechCentral. By Craig Wilson.

    http://www.techcentral.co.za/conflict-tearing-doc-apart/39886/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+co%2FUqJF+%28TechCentral%29

  • Maggs Naidu – Have you said your three “Hail Guptas” today? (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Sao Paulo – A Catholic priest in south-eastern Brazil was excommunicated on Monday after publicly resigning from his duties to protest against the church’s opposition to homosexuality.

    http://www.news24.com/World/News/Priest-excommunicated-for-supporting-gays-20130430-3

  • Lisbeth

    @Brett:

    Would it be possible for you and your gun-freak buddies Zooky and Graham to start your own ‘satellite’ blog, where y’all can brag about your *moerse skietgoed* to your little hearts’ content?

    Perhaps I should include Fassbinder and his “spear” on my list?

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Please, Lisbeth, what you do behind closed doors is your business and I would rather not be consulted on whether Dworky should be on your list. TMI, girlfriend, TMI. Personally, I would not venture close to him.

    I think Graham has excellent taste in personal hardware. I had a CZ 85 too. And a CZ 75. The difference is mostly that the 85 has an ambidextrous safety and slide-stop. So it is equally comfortable to both right and left-handers (but not right and left wingers Heh-heh-heh!)
    My CZ 75 (Tanfoglio TA90 is a CZ75 clone, btw) was the most accurate handgun I’d ever used besides my Hi-Standard target pistol. Obviously not as much fun to play with as the Hi-Standard.

    My sister’s carry gun is a CZ 70. Also nicely made. She’s not a big girl yet carries it easily. I wouldn’t scoff at the knock-down power of the 7.65….

    If you do persist in getting up close with Dworky please point out the logical inconsistency of the belief in the use of a concealed handgun as a self-esteem booster for penile inadequacy?

    Err…..facile PopPsy 101, I know, but no-one else ever sees it?

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder – Know Your Desperate Alternative!

    @Lisbeth

    With respect, your demand that we self-marginalise in a so-called “satellite” blog represents precisely the kind of GYNOCENTRISM that we have come to expect from your ilk. You cannot deny us the opportunity to assert our rights (under the little-know s. 12A bis of the Constitution), to bare arms!

    Thanks.

  • Lisbeth

    @Brett:

    You must be pretty paranoid, surrounding yourself with such a vast array of “hardware”. Do you ever go anywhere without at least some of it? Even to the toilet? Keep a semi-automatic under your pillow? How can you live like that?

    Small wonder you’re forever fantasizing about that mythical white homeland that will never happen; never mind what the constitution says.

  • Lisbeth

    @MDF

    Laku noć, gospodine Fassbinder.

  • Maggs Naidu – Have you said your three “Hail Guptas” today? (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder – Know Your Desperate Alternative!
    April 30, 2013 at 20:11 pm

    Dworky,

    ” …our rights (under the little-know s. 12A bis of the Constitution), to bare arms! …”

    If you insist on “bare arms” please do it in private!

    Unless yours look like these http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/mobama-portrait.jpg

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder – Know Your Desperate Alternative!

    @ Lisbeth

    With respect, Reeva may have been with us today if she, like Brett’s sister, had carried her CZ 70 to the bathroom on Valentine’s night.

    Anyway, sweet dreams to you too, dear Lizzie!

    Thanks.

  • Maggs Naidu – WHITE people are being GENOCIDED! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – with the gun toting sister
    April 30, 2013 at 20:04 pm

    Hey G,

    “My sister’s carry gun is a CZ 70. Also nicely made. She’s not a big girl yet carries it easily.”

    So your sister is “nicely made” – post pictures.

    How many people has she murdered?

    Is she racist?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    So on Workers Day I offer you this anecdote:

    Everest: Climbers Steck and Moro in fight with Sherpas

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22336540

    “He said they had been keeping a respectful distance so as not to disturb the work of the Sherpas laying ropes. The climbers continued to Camp Three but later descended to Camp Two to “finish the discussion” and were met by more than 100 angry Sherpas, who began to beat them and throw rocks, Mr Steck said. He said the Sherpas threatened to kill the climbers if they did not leave the camp. One of the Sherpas threw a pocket knife at Mr Moro but “luckily [it] just hit the belt of his backpack”, Mr Steck said, adding that they escaped with no serious injuries. Mr Steck said the conflict was the symptom of a long-term problem of “cultures”, but did not elaborate.”

    It is the problem of the “cultures” and not the ruthless exploitation of the working class. As we say any fat tourist is welcome to climb up Mount Everest. But respect the Sherpas that make it all possible.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    A tribute to the Sherpa people.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherpa_people

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    “Two Sherpas, Pemba Dorjie and Lhakpa Gelu, recently competed to see who could climb Everest from base camp the fastest. On 23 May 2003, Dorjie summited in 12 hours and 46 minutes. Three days later, Gelu beat his record by two hours, summiting in 10 hours 46 minutes. On 21 May 2004, Dorjie again improved the record by more than two hours with a total time of 8 hours and 10 minutes.[14]“

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Lisbeth says:
    April 30, 2013 at 20:24 pm

    Tut! Tut! Temper!

    LOL!

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Maggs Naidu – WHITE people are being GENOCIDED! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) says:

    LOL! My sister would whup your azz!

    Did I tell you about the time Jaco shook her “Kim! Kim! Word wakker!” and put that CZ in her one hand and his Maglite in her other coz he heard a noise outside?

  • Maggs Naidu – WHITE people are being GENOCIDED! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – with the sister.
    April 30, 2013 at 21:20 pm

    Brett,

    “My sister would whup your azz!”

    Hmmm – sounds delightful and tempting.

    p.s. Please ask Jaco to use your toilet!

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Is that an invitation to a debate about how seldom the owners of licenced firearms use them in crime?

    At a lower rate than the SAPS?

    Yippeee!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Another Workers Day food for thought:

    Mandela, communism, and South Africa

    http://www.opendemocracy.net/stephen-ellis/mandela-communism-and-south-africa

    “At least six other senior members of the SACP have confirmed Mandela’s party membership. “Mandela denies that he was ever a member of the party but I can tell you that he was a member of the party for a period”, another former central-committee member, Hilda Bernstein, told an interviewer in 2004. Yet another leading communist, the late Joe Matthews, has said that Mandela served on the SACP’s central committee at the same time as himself. ”

    “Mandela’s recruitment into the party in 1961 might mean that at the time that he was still campaigning for a national convention and calling for a massive strike to back this demand, he was in fact acting in bad faith. For he and the other key figures within the ANC’s top leadership had already committed themselves to guerrilla warfare, through their membership of the SACP, itself resolved in favour of “armed struggle” at a party conference in December 1960.”

    So we do not that Nelson Mandela himself is a liar “who acted in bad faith” and that is where the betrayal of the real Struggle and the corrupt failed state we are experiencing now really started.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    In Afrikaans we say – die appel val nie ver van die boom nie.

    “However, it was virtually impossible to determine the full extent of the Mandela family’s wealth and interests, because of the network of trusts in which the assets were held, as well as the lack of public documentation providing information. The most recognisable Mandela entrepreneurs were his granddaughters Zaziwe and Zamaswazi Dlamini, who had a reality TV show called Being Mandela and had also launched a Mandela clothing range. Grandson Zondwa Mandela was recently in the news because of his involvement with President Jacob Zuma’s nephew Khulubuse Zuma and their association with the controversial Aurora mine. Company information showed the Mandela children and grandchildren had, over the past two decades, been involved in about 200 companies extending over a wide range of sectors, including real estate, investments, railway engineering, minerals, medical firms, fashion and entertainment.”

    http://mg.co.za/article/2013-04-29-report-madiba-kids-involved-in-about-200-companies

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?
  • Maggs Naidu – WHITE people are being GENOCIDED! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – GOSA Guy!
    April 30, 2013 at 23:44 pm

    Hey Brett

    “Eish! Watershed moment.”

    Did you mean WATERKLOOF moment?

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Paul Kearney says:
    April 30, 2013 at 14:45 pm

    If you look at OBS’ posts about the rapidly expanding black middle-class all the comments about it so far tend to give credit to the ANC and the new constitutional order. Those of us with greying hair can all remember the lengths the UDF went to to try and smother the burgeoning black middle-class in infancy like putting tyres around peoples necks who did not resign from town councils. Stoning and firebombing their homes. Enforcing school and consumer boycotts with bizarre violence. ENforcing stayaways.

    The ANC is rewriting history to make itself look omniscient and definitely less like Pol Pot. It was the preoccupation of PW Botha’s government – and especially his generals involved in ‘the total strategy – to grow the black middle-class as quickly as possible. And the UDF-types would spare no blood in stymying them.

    The lot in the UDF then are our guardians of the Constitution now. When they wrote a Constitution they did not want an iron-clad set of rules government had to follow. They did not want a shield – for the people – against random exercises of public power. They wanted a cosh – to get even!

    The Constitution means what it says when they say it. Arbitrary. And they reserve the right not to be bound by outcomes they do not like.

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Maggsm do you think our beloved President may have given our country the finger for the last time?

  • Maggs Naidu – Zuma knows what he is doing! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – +++
    May 1, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Brett,

    “Maggsm do you think our beloved President may have given our country the finger for the last time?”

    Nah – he’ll duck and dive this one too. And he’ll be protected and defended.

    The ANC leadership is made up of a bunch of wussies!

    I’m willing to bet that not one of the Cabinet will resign over this total and utter disgrace.

  • Zoo Keeper

    Lisbeth

    Brett has, time and again, raised some very valid constitutional points regarding the ownership of firearms by civilians. his points are actually very relevant.

    Civilian ownership of weapons is the last barricade against dictatorship and abusive government. Without some back-up, the Constitution is simply a piece of paper – as JZ is constantly demonstrating.

    And Lisbeth – do you have burglar bars on your windows, a high wall and maybe some electric fencing? Do you have an alarm at your home so when things so bump in the night you can call a gang of heavily armed men to your rescue?

    If you exist like that – like any of us in sunny SA – you are the pot calling the kettle black.

    Brett

    As you know I have never owned a firearm, but I am rather fond of them. I have my eye on a Colt Rail Gun – the one just adopted by the US Marines since they’ve thrown their 9mms away. Does one .45 equal 2 9mms?

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder – Know Your Desperate Alternative!

    @ Zooks

    “Civilian ownership of weapons is the last barricade against dictatorship and abusive government”

    Lisbeth, that is exactly how I see it. That is why Zooks and I and John Locke long ago agreed that we should not only be allowed to own “small arms,” but private artillery, tanks, submarines, and even, if necessary, low-yield nuclear weapons! How else will we fight off a tyrannous government bent on GENOCIDE!

    Thanks.

    Thanks.

  • Maggs Naidu – The DA will bring back apartheid! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder – Know Your Desperate Alternative!
    May 1, 2013 at 10:44 am

    Dworky,

    “How else will we fight off a tyrannous government bent on GENOCIDE!”

    Be reminded that the DA is not yet in power – so Black people are safe.

    For now!

  • Zoo Keeper

    Lisbeth

    Should the Syrians be disarmed and place their trust in the benign wisdom of Assad to lead them to the promised land of freedom?

    If you object to the ownership of arms by civilians, you must be prepared to remove the AK47s from the hands of Syrian freedom fighters. They are not the police or the army, and so should not be allowed these dangerous items that a madman could use to shoot up a college one day.

    Syrians are not unique – history is replete with democracies losing their way and ending up in dictatorships.

    C’mon Lisbeth, can you step up to that plate?

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Zoo Keeper says:
    May 1, 2013 at 10:18 am

    I like Lisbeth. She’s feisty. Must be the ‘Women’s Studies’. I think reading ‘Women’s Studies’ is a great way to prepare for …. er….um…

    Anyway, Lisbeth seems threatened by the fact that I collected guns (even though I said I traded on or flogged many of themm.) Sees it as a sign of P-A-R-A-N-O-I-A. Wonder what my book collection is a sign of then. Still looking for a 1st edition Jock-of-the-Bushveldt if anyone is feeling gennerous. No thank you! Got a couple of second editions. My split-cane fly rods. My bows. My stamps? OBS isn’t going to like this but I bought a bakkie-load of books a couple of weeks ago just to get a 1943 stamp raising funds for Gen Smuts’ 73 birthday which was stuck in one of ‘em.

    That guy (the ‘deceased’ in the estate) must have been a serious whack-job-overprivileged-white. Not only was he the chairman of the vintage motorcycle club but you must see what he paid for some of those books on classic cars!

    As for whether 2 9mms equal one .45 it is a difficult syllogism, rather like asking whether Dworky and Maggs = one Brett because their combined IQs equal his?

    One thing I do find interesting is how serious people in the ‘Progressive’ shade of the political spectrum are about our Constitution as Grundnorm.

    “Fantasizing” over a provision in the Constitution?

  • Maggs Naidu – GOSA is FUBAR! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – retard!
    May 1, 2013 at 19:50 pm

    Hey G,

    “As for whether 2 9mms equal one .45 it is a difficult syllogism,”

    Er let’s see – 2 x 9mm = 18 mm.

    .45″ = .45 x 25.4 = 18mm.

    Same thing!

    Thought you’d trick us, did you?

  • Zoo Keeper

    Brett

    I was thinking .45 over 9mm for the simple reason that my research shows that between 2 and 4 shots are fired in relevant confrontations. Usually, once armed resistance is apparent, intruders bug out anyway but still…

    I would carry rarely so it would be home-bound mostly in terms of defensive intent.

    Besides, if the US Marines are saying the 9mm in close combat is too limited I would not query them.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Zooks

    “Should the Syrians be disarmed and place their trust in the benign wisdom of Assad”

    Great point Zooky. We must all prepare for the day when Pretoria is Damascus and Johannesburg is Aleppo! Only if we are well armed will we resist GENOCIDE!

    Thanks.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Brett, I agree that it is the worst POP FREUDIANISM to say that men who collect bigs guns “compensate” for an unmentionable abbreviation. My cousin in Belleville is naturally endowed with a magnificent phallus. Yet his pride and joy is a Czech AVRN 7.62 master blaster!

    How do you explain that?

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    Dworky, why are you examining your cousin’s phallus?

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbender

    Natural curiosity – and envy!

  • Zoo Keeper

    Brett

    That’s a Balkan thing, and the hidden reason behind the shooting of Archduke Franz Ferdinand.

    I think I’ll get the Colt rail 1911.

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    ZooKeeper, there are so many variables in the 9mm v 45 debate I say go with the handgun that you are most comfortable with – carrying and shooting.

    The reason I don’t have a 45 at the moment is the enemy’s gun law.
    But a major consideration for me is that a citizen militia should have arms in the calibre the standing army uses to ensure easy availability of ammunition.

    Speaking from personal experience the guy I shot in the leg with that Tanfoglio (115gr Speer Gold Dots +P) didn’t even falter in his stride.
    The only confirmation I had that I hit him was that he ran past security guards who saw blood on his leg. So, at a slight distance even a Gold Dot performs like hardball.

    At the same distance the PMC Eldorado Starfires I carried in my 45 Combat Commander set up like dustbin lids.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder – Know Your Desperate Alternative!

    @ Brett

    “a citizen militia should have arms in the calibre the standing army uses to ensure easy availability of ammunition.”

    With respect, I could not countenance that the ordinance of the standing army should set a ceiling on what is available to the citizens’ militia.

    But more seriously, may Maggs and me join your militia? Please? Maggs will be political commissar, and I will inspect the men’s weapon!

    Thanks.

  • Zoo Keeper

    Thanks Brett

    I fondled plenty of varieties at Huntex and the 1911 fits my hands the best out of all of them. The Beretta 92 full size is very nice too I must add.

    I have never shot one so I guess I’ll make the trip to the local shop and ask to try them out on the range. 9mm is very easy to handle, last one I used was a Browning Hi-Power – essentially an upgraded 1911 in 9mm. Very good fit in the hand.

  • Zoo Keeper

    Brett

    I agree to an extent but with the details of everyone’s license freely available from any police station, I’d rather have a different caliber which makes sustaining a stolen pistol more difficult. 9mm is the tool of choice and the freely available ammo out there. Its a lot harder, as I am led to believe, for underworld elements to get cheap .45 ammo, and lots of it.

    Once I have the pistol, I must assume the details of it will be disclosed to a criminal – just want him to think whether going for the .45 is worth his trouble.

    BTW – Have the gun owners not taken on the SAPS for letting out the details of Pistorius’ licenses so easily? The papers appear to have got them without ever even asking the SAPS, must have retrieved them form the local SAPS computers.

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    ZooKeeper, unfortunately I ran into a wall trying to convince everyone disclosing the Pistorius family’s private intimate affairs was in conflict with S14 of the Constitution and a delict.

    The right-culture in this country runs surface deep.

    The Gun Free lot have all been in Switzerland being politically re-educated so expect them to go loud when Oskie’s trial starts.

    P.s. I’m relieved – I thought the Balkan thing would involve the cousin’s sister!

  • Zoo Keeper

    Brett

    How about asking the Justice Alliance to go for a declarator order that the conduct is prima facie unconstitutional?

    I thought the Swiss would have little time for Gun Free?

  • Brett Nortje – Dunning–Kruger effect: Is it possible the ANC do not realise how badly they suck at running our country?

    One gets the legal representation you can afford, ZooKeeper. In this country the Courts are for the connected elite.

    Unless you’re litigating with OPM like Zuma and Selebi and Mdluli.

    Oops – sorry – still the connected elite.

    Plenty of pinko NGOs in Switzerland.

  • Zoo Keeper

    Brett

    You’re about to be assaulted by the “Reeva would be alive if Oscar didn’t have a gun.” Which means that guns must now be taken away as quickly as possible.

    What are you guys doing to go on the offensive against them. Every time a coconut your guys are on the defensive – never the offensive.

    We have the right to safety and security of person. Into that right you can very easily craft a 2nd amendment-type argument. Also, Stats SA (for what its worth) show dramatic increases in contact crime since 2004.

    Yet that is never, ever splashed across the newspaper.

    You need to dominate the headlines. You need to hire a spin doctor!

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Zooks

    “You’re about to be assaulted by the “Reeva would be alive if Oscar didn’t have a gun.”

    Brett, here is some advice: If anyone comes with that stupid argument, respond thusly:

    1. If he had no gun, OP could anyway have clubbed her to death with his stumps and sliced her remains in half with his blades!

    2. If only Reeva had remembered to take her gun to the toilet, she would have returned fire and killed OP before he killed her!

    (I learned these ingenious arguments by studying the NRA website.)

    Thanks

  • Zoo Keeper

    Dworky

    Option 1 sounds remarkably like what happens after the narrator says “FINISH HIM” on Mortal Kombat!!

    Maybe OP can get some income by starring as a character! :)

  • Brett Nortje – Help! Help! The ANC has turned my country into a Bantustan!

    ZooKeeper, we’re hoping you’re right.

    They certainly got a bloody nose in the first round, trying to be clever, and we’re having a great time making great strides on the organisational front building a mean (and this time united) fighting machine.

  • Brett Nortje – Help! Help! The ANC has turned my country into a Bantustan!

    Dworky, think of me as Liu Kang.

    I’m going to give you 5 seconds to retire gracefully to go and put your inconsiderable talents and new-found consideration for abused women to work helping the NPA get their rape-conviction rate up from 2,8%.

    I’m not in the mood for ‘progressives’ now seeing that spineless jellyfish Willie Hofmeyr flipflop on Fakie a month after seeing the SIU’s Afrikaner-farmer-rhino-poaching-case shown up for a shameless hoax.

    I like enemies I can at least honour.

    P.s. ZooKeeper, do you know anything about changing names by deed poll?

  • Zoo Keeper

    Brett

    If you could give old Deborah Patta a bit of an education it would do us all a power of good!! :D

  • Maggs Naidu – Zuma is a sovereign President sort of like an Emperor but more powerful! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Hey Dmwangi,

    This coment seems to be exactly what you need!

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  • JUSTIN PILLAY

    a truly sad day when in democratic south Africa we have a government who does not engage properly with the needs of its people especially with the most important of them all education. It seems more like the ruling party has thrown own out the right to education set out in the constitution and in that famous document called the freedom charter and decided to rather steer us in a direction in which they produce a large population of uneducated and unskilled black majority who will make up the labour force a cheap one at that…. smells a lot like the apartheid regieme don’t u think?