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	<description>This blog deals with political and social issues in South Africa, mostly from the perspective of Constitutional Law. Written by Pierre de Vos</description>
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		<title>By: Why the taalbulle will destroy Afrikaans &#8211; Constitutionally Speaking</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/gareth-is-very-very-cross/#comment-54969</link>
		<dc:creator>Why the taalbulle will destroy Afrikaans &#8211; Constitutionally Speaking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 07:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] topic. People get very, very cross when one says the &#8220;wrong&#8221; thing about it. A bit like Gareth Van Onselen when one criticises Helen Zille. (Remember Gareth, that self-righteous guy from the DA who now writes a self-righteous column in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] topic. People get very, very cross when one says the &#8220;wrong&#8221; thing about it. A bit like Gareth Van Onselen when one criticises Helen Zille. (Remember Gareth, that self-righteous guy from the DA who now writes a self-righteous column in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Friend</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/gareth-is-very-very-cross/#comment-25571</link>
		<dc:creator>Friend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 10:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the light of this debate nothing was really added or changed to anything that has happened, everyone seem to know what the facts are and will perceive it in their own ways, because we&#039;re stubborn. 
I just wonder if the newly appointed intellegence guy, Shaik&#039;s brother, has to give to the President&#039;s speech writer some info on the public&#039;s views with regard to certain facts that may for instance cause people not to vote for him any longer or they need info for the peeps in the hoods to spin to them where would they find this info? It&#039;s clear that old Gareth sometimes resorts to www.constitutionallyspeaking.co.za, he told the Zille and she told you back prof, now say for instance the peeps in the hoods don&#039;t read good and somebody, who has the info, but declines to share it all, because of his affilliation, tells some of them with more influence then others that the DA stands for Devil&#039;s Achildren, then what? Prints out pamphelets depicting DA as a shit party and tells people that should they vote DA they lose the grants, they say what grants? He says here&#039;s a sandwich and a Tshirts. Morality is a difficult one here, if you philander while you&#039;re married then you should think about who finds out unless being blatant about it doesn&#039;t affect whatever it is that you do for a living, if being sexist, racist or any ist you can think of don&#039;t register with those you depend on for votes then you could be more dangerous than most other, lesser individuals. The effects of Verwoerd&#039;s education policies are being worsened by the Education departument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the light of this debate nothing was really added or changed to anything that has happened, everyone seem to know what the facts are and will perceive it in their own ways, because we&#8217;re stubborn.<br />
I just wonder if the newly appointed intellegence guy, Shaik&#8217;s brother, has to give to the President&#8217;s speech writer some info on the public&#8217;s views with regard to certain facts that may for instance cause people not to vote for him any longer or they need info for the peeps in the hoods to spin to them where would they find this info? It&#8217;s clear that old Gareth sometimes resorts to <a href="http://www.constitutionallyspeaking.co.za" rel="nofollow">http://www.constitutionallyspeaking.co.za</a>, he told the Zille and she told you back prof, now say for instance the peeps in the hoods don&#8217;t read good and somebody, who has the info, but declines to share it all, because of his affilliation, tells some of them with more influence then others that the DA stands for Devil&#8217;s Achildren, then what? Prints out pamphelets depicting DA as a shit party and tells people that should they vote DA they lose the grants, they say what grants? He says here&#8217;s a sandwich and a Tshirts. Morality is a difficult one here, if you philander while you&#8217;re married then you should think about who finds out unless being blatant about it doesn&#8217;t affect whatever it is that you do for a living, if being sexist, racist or any ist you can think of don&#8217;t register with those you depend on for votes then you could be more dangerous than most other, lesser individuals. The effects of Verwoerd&#8217;s education policies are being worsened by the Education departument.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Palin</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/gareth-is-very-very-cross/#comment-25483</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Palin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kingdom Come

Does JZ know you&#039;re around already?</description>
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<p>Does JZ know you&#8217;re around already?</p>
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		<title>By: Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/gareth-is-very-very-cross/#comment-25455</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kingdom Come

Rest assured, Kingdom Come, we will never heard the story behind Floyd Shivambu’s (ANCYL spokesperson) statements regarding Zille and her “relations’ with some members of her cabinet.

Why not?  Because the hypocritical Madam and the liberal media have hushed it up behind a veil of &quot;privacy.&quot; 

I don&#039;t care about what Max or JZ do in their bedrooms.  What does outrage me is the allegation that unquenchable lusts for multiple male partners is publicly funded under the pretext of a so-called Cabinet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kingdom Come</p>
<p>Rest assured, Kingdom Come, we will never heard the story behind Floyd Shivambu’s (ANCYL spokesperson) statements regarding Zille and her “relations’ with some members of her cabinet.</p>
<p>Why not?  Because the hypocritical Madam and the liberal media have hushed it up behind a veil of &#8220;privacy.&#8221; </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care about what Max or JZ do in their bedrooms.  What does outrage me is the allegation that unquenchable lusts for multiple male partners is publicly funded under the pretext of a so-called Cabinet.</p>
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		<title>By: Kingdom Come</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/gareth-is-very-very-cross/#comment-25451</link>
		<dc:creator>Kingdom Come</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 14:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pierre - You&#039;re spot-on:
1) The &quot;privacy card&quot; that Zille attempted to use for Max&#039;s (&amp; the DA&#039;s benefit) and then against Zuma/Msimang (&amp; the ANC) in the rape case/manto-gate and baby-gate is where you caught her out. She is being hypocritical
2) Her response is an attempt (typical of politicians) to gain the higher moral ground and divert the debate from the real (and only) point you made - her &quot;privacy card&quot; hypocrisy
3) It makes me wonder what else is really going on in the DA - I am still keen to hear the &quot;story&quot; behind Floyd Shivambu&#039;s (ANCYL spokesperson) extra-ordinary statements regarding Zille and her &quot;relations&#039; with some members of her cabinet. There&#039;s been an awful silence in that regard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pierre &#8211; You&#8217;re spot-on:<br />
1) The &#8220;privacy card&#8221; that Zille attempted to use for Max&#8217;s (&amp; the DA&#8217;s benefit) and then against Zuma/Msimang (&amp; the ANC) in the rape case/manto-gate and baby-gate is where you caught her out. She is being hypocritical<br />
2) Her response is an attempt (typical of politicians) to gain the higher moral ground and divert the debate from the real (and only) point you made &#8211; her &#8220;privacy card&#8221; hypocrisy<br />
3) It makes me wonder what else is really going on in the DA &#8211; I am still keen to hear the &#8220;story&#8221; behind Floyd Shivambu&#8217;s (ANCYL spokesperson) extra-ordinary statements regarding Zille and her &#8220;relations&#8217; with some members of her cabinet. There&#8217;s been an awful silence in that regard.</p>
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		<title>By: khosi</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/gareth-is-very-very-cross/#comment-25428</link>
		<dc:creator>khosi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>o = a</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>o = a</p>
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		<title>By: khosi</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/gareth-is-very-very-cross/#comment-25427</link>
		<dc:creator>khosi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mpho,

You had me at &#039;Hello&#039; and furthermore, you...you...you complete me!

But I do not understand where Z fits in this. On o related note, what happened to Z?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mpho,</p>
<p>You had me at &#8216;Hello&#8217; and furthermore, you&#8230;you&#8230;you complete me!</p>
<p>But I do not understand where Z fits in this. On o related note, what happened to Z?</p>
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		<title>By: Belle</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/gareth-is-very-very-cross/#comment-25424</link>
		<dc:creator>Belle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pierre, has it occurred to you that your blog is equally self-righteous? I too was left me with a soiled feeling after reading it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pierre, has it occurred to you that your blog is equally self-righteous? I too was left me with a soiled feeling after reading it.</p>
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		<title>By: Belle</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/gareth-is-very-very-cross/#comment-25423</link>
		<dc:creator>Belle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely the more serious issue at hand, given that Max&#039;s so-called victims have themselves denied accusing him of harassment, is the extraordinary attempts by some unknown individual/group to smear Max with what appears to be outright lies (after all, without any victims, these accusations cannot even be called &#039;allegations&#039;).

Gobsmacking that de Vos and other commentators, in their desperation to nail Zille on some minor inaccurate comment she made, completely overlook the outrageous situation of Max being accused of crimes against victims who deny the crimes happened at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely the more serious issue at hand, given that Max&#8217;s so-called victims have themselves denied accusing him of harassment, is the extraordinary attempts by some unknown individual/group to smear Max with what appears to be outright lies (after all, without any victims, these accusations cannot even be called &#8216;allegations&#8217;).</p>
<p>Gobsmacking that de Vos and other commentators, in their desperation to nail Zille on some minor inaccurate comment she made, completely overlook the outrageous situation of Max being accused of crimes against victims who deny the crimes happened at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Mpho</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/gareth-is-very-very-cross/#comment-25421</link>
		<dc:creator>Mpho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Khosi do you do a Google Search every hour to see if anyone has said something even vaguely critical of your hero?  

It&#039;s incredible!  Am I right in thinking Z cleared up any confusion we may have had a while ago that you are not actually TM?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Khosi do you do a Google Search every hour to see if anyone has said something even vaguely critical of your hero?  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s incredible!  Am I right in thinking Z cleared up any confusion we may have had a while ago that you are not actually TM?</p>
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