Constitutional Hill

Get up, stand up for your rights!

Most people think,
Great god will come from the skies,
Take away everything
And make everybody feel high.
But if you know what life is worth,
You will look for yours on earth:
And now you see the light,
You stand up for your rights, jah!

Get up, stand up! (jah, jah! )
Stand up for your rights! (oh-hoo! )
Get up, stand up! (get up, stand up! )
Don’t give up the fight! (life is your right! )
Get up, stand up! (so we can’t give up the fight! )
Stand up for your rights! (lord, lord! )
Get up, stand up! (keep on struggling on! )
Don’t give up the fight! (yeah! )

- Bob Marley

The more things change, the more they stay the same. It might be a new year, but we are still talking about the same things we talked about in 2011…. and 2010…. and 2009. One of the things we keep on talking about is the seemingly never ending question of whether the Premier of the Western Cape, Helen Zille, is fatally addicted to Twitter. Another, and somehow related, question we cannot seem to get away from is the question of whether Cape Town is a racist city or not. 

At the end of last year Premier Zille (who has not learnt yet that one cannot have a sensible political argument in 140 characters at a time and whose Tweets often create the impression that she lacks an appreciation of the political sensibilities and the life experiences of the vast majority of South Africans who happen not to be white and upper-middle class like herself) got involved in another spat on Twitter about alleged racism in Cape Town.

In the Mail & Guardian online Verashni Pillay wrote a beautiful piece, in which she responded quite appropriately to this spat. Writing about her time living in Cape Town she remarked:

What drove me slowly mad was how racism was an elephant in the room that you could not talk about. How white Capetonians would cringe and turn away when the topic came up, or look at you in blank confusion and ask why you were so obsessed with race. It was how, yes, there is racism everywhere in South Africa but in Cape Town it is not possible to even discuss it. And how Cape Town, with its pristine beaches, its lofty Parliament buildings and history of activism, was somehow supposed to be better than that.

Yep, my experience exactly. When my former partner was the victim of racial discrimination several years ago and we challenged the discrimination in the Equality Court, many people in Cape Town continued to argue with us that we were being “overtly sensitive” and that what we experienced were not racism at all but “something else”. (What this “something else” might be, was never made clear to me and when several years later I landed up at a party with one of the owners of the club that discriminated against my partner, the co-owner admitted that racial discrimination indeed occurred that night – on the instructions of the club owners.)

But that is not what I want to talk about in this first post of the new year. Instead, I wish to pose a different (and, perhaps, difficult) question: why is it that so many people – even middle class people who are otherwise empowered and confident – complain about experiencing racism and racial discrimination (in Cape Town and elsewhere in South Africa), but seldom challenge this discrimination in the Equality Court?

In the racist world in which we still live in South Africa, fighting to achieve a non-racial society is always going to entail a long-term struggle. If one is never prepared to stick one’s neck out and to take on the racists, the sexists, the homophobes, the ethnic chauvinists, things will never change – or they will not change as fast as they should and as fast as we are entitled to.

Some people seem to think that now that we have achieved our democracy and our freedom, there is no need to struggle against the injustices that still haunt our land. If one experiences racism or racial discrimination in Cape Town, for example, one can just give up on Cape Town and move back to Johannesburg, thus avoiding places where one suspects one will be discriminated against.

Instead of living like truly free and equal citizens who confidently assert their right to be treated with equal dignity and respect on every square centimetre of land in South Africa - whether in Cape Town, in Pofadder or in Polokwane – some people still avoid confronting the racists, the sexists, the homophobes, and never try to force them to change. Some people do not seem to think that one must first get mad and then get even by making these racists pay for their actions, actions which affront the human dignity of others.

This can – theoretically, at least – be done quite easily. The Promotion of Equality and Prevention of Unfair Discrimination Act designates most Magistrates Courts as Equality Courts and one can approach any such court when one believes one has been discriminated against. The clerk of the Equality Court will then assist one to ensure that the case is brought before the Equality Court (in terms of section 20 of the Act).

Although not all clerks of the Equality Court are as well trained as they should be and although it can be difficult to get hold of these clerks (perhaps because they are required to deal with so few cases each year and are assigned other duties), a little prodding and nagging would usually do the trick. One does not need to engage the services of a lawyer in order to win an Equality Court case and the clerk of the court is supposed to assist any claimant to ensure that one’s documents are prepared properly  and papers are served on the alleged discriminator.

The form that must be completed is also available on the internet (see here) and is easy to fill in. The Act also assists the complainant by stating that as long as one has made out a prima facie case of discrimination the onus shifts to the other party who will have to convince the court that no unfair discrimination took place. This is so because discrimination is notoriously difficult to prove as those who discriminate will always have another reason for the different treatment (“there is a private function”, “only members are allowed”, “the flat has already been rented out”, “the dress code was not complied with”, “there is a waiting list for housing opportunities”).

To circumvent this problem one only has to show that a policy, law, rule, practice, condition or situation directly or indirectly imposed burdens, obligations or disadvantage on; or withheld benefits, opportunities or advantages from, a person on one or more of the prohibited grounds, including race, sex, gender, language, ethnicity and sexual orientation.

In other words once one has shown that one was treated differently than others in some way and that one of the differences between oneself and those treated differently was one’s race, sex, gender or sexual orientation, one has provided prima facie proof of discrimination and the discriminator will then have to justify this discrimination by showing that it was not unfair. This will not be easy to do.

And if one wins the case, the Equality Court is given wide powers to make an appropriate order which may include:

  • an order making a settlement between the parties to the proceedings an order of court; an order for the payment of any damages in respect of any proven financial loss, including future loss, or in respect of impairment of dignity, pain and suffering or emotional and psychological suffering, as a result of the unfair discrimination, hate speech or harassment in question; 
  • after hearing the views of the parties or, in the absence of the respondent, the views of the complainant in the matter, an order for the payment of damages in the form of an award to an appropriate body or organisation;
  • an order restraining unfair discriminatory practices or directing that specific steps be taken to stop the unfair discrimination, hate speech or harassment;
  • an order for the implementation of special measures to address the unfair discrimination; an order directing the reasonable accommodation of a group or class of persons by the respondent; 
  • an order that an unconditional apology be made;
  • an order requiring the respondent to undergo an audit of specific policies or practices as determined by the court: an appropriate order of a deterrent nature, including the recommendation to the appropriate authority, to suspend or revoke the licence of a person.

Yet, few South Africans ever approach the Equality Courts for assistance. Why there should be such a discrepancy between the large number of acts of discrimination experienced by South Africans, on the one hand, and the number of cases brought to Equality Courts on the other, is difficult to explain.

Can it be that some of us have been so brainwashed by apartheid that we do not all believe that we have a right never, ever, to be discriminated against? Have we been made to accept the fact that discrimination against us will occur and that it is best not to make a fuss and just to “move on”? Are too many of us afraid that the economically and socially dominant racists will brand us as overtly sensitive or as people who are “playing the race card”?

The law does not always serve ordinary people well. Sometime, instead of helping us to achieve justice the law may perpetuate injustice. But the Equality Act is a powerful tool to help every individual in South Africa who has experienced discrimination to reclaim their dignity and to achieve a semblance of justice. It is time that more South Africans stand up for what is right and use this law as it was intended to be used.

  • ozoneblue

    “The form that must be completed is also available on the internet (see here) and is easy to fill in.”

    Jeesh. I don’t know. Could it be that the people who suffer the most under the structural racism count themselves very lucky if they have electricity and don’t have any Internet because it is not profitable for Telkom to install ADSL to the townships? And even if they did have Internet, our free media are not in the business of informing our citizens of their patriotic duties and their constitutional rights.

  • Pierre De Vos

    Ozoneblue, you really should read with more care. You apparently missed the following line in my post: “even middle class people who are otherwise empowered and confident “

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    “who has not learnt yet that one cannot have a sensible political argument in 140 characters at a time”

    Ja well, no fine, PdV.

    But it takes, not 140 words or 1000 words, but just three to expose the carefully hidden “tendency”.

    Respected Black Professional!

  • khosi

    It is all Thabo Mbeki’s fault. He created this racism when our entirely holy icons told us to believe that we were a ‘rainbow nation’! Never mind that when a white person looks at a black person there is a good likelihood that they see something akin to a ‘non-person’. Well, the nobel prize winners’ wife seemed to think so!

  • ozoneblue

    Pierre De Vos says:
    January 5, 2012 at 11:28 am

    “even middle class people who are otherwise empowered and confident”

    But then the answer should be self-evident. The polite DA type of racism doesn’t really injure to the extent that it is exaggerated and therefore in the eyes of the victims involves an amount of effort that is simply not worth the trouble. These little racist diatribes between middle class beneficiaries of all races amounts to little more that light-hearted banter amongst the chattering classes and when it comes to blows about the more serious topic of racial entitlement it reminds one more of a bunch of bald men fighting over a comb.

  • khosi

    Happy new year to all! Glad to hear a few familiar voices.

    Pierre, do you think that Ms Zille believes that you are a gay professional or a professional gay?

  • Excalibur

    Looks like the crappy professor has nada to do again but stoke some fires with another puerile, self-serving piece of shit.

    Anything successful and world-class is automatically racist.

    Therefore Pierre is not successful or world-class. Because he’s not a racist. He just hates whites.

    Here’s some advice Pierre…. get some balck shoe polish, use it on your skin and then fuck off to the townships.

  • mosesmook

    It is very difficult to have a conversation without throwing some vitriol on some comment.. hey? We don’t have to agree at all on many things but at least acknowledge that moving around in Cape Town does not give you a feeling like you are in South Africa more so Africa.I am of the opinion that its difficult to create on a community that all will live in harmoniously especially after sharing a history of marginalization.

  • Xhasikhaya Tyokwana

    What do you make of the practice by property management groups .Where black people shop and they are majority as in 99.999% ,they always have to pay a fee to access toilets .
    Examples ,Golden Acre Shopping Centre in town and Middlestat in Bellville .Both shopping centres are managed by Growthpoint Property group which coincidental manages Waterfront ,I believe Canal Walk .What is the underlying message in all of this ?In these situations ,none is telling the other K@+@+@r ,but the execution of it is so powerful .It is guaranteed to make one to know their place in the world .

  • Deloris Dolittle

    @ Xhasikhaya

    The answer to your conundrum is so simple I Struggle to see why you don’t get it. It is because for some reason (that is perhaps the real conundrum) the people that visit Golden Acre (you contend that it is 99.999% black, I would not know whether this is true) choose to leave the toilet facilities in a disgusting state and more effort from the cleaning staff is required to clean up the mess. I suspect some people use these facilities to their weekly bath, this however is no excuse for leaving such a mess. The charge is perhaps also there to discourage this pratice. There is off course the financial truth: I suspect the rental paid by the tenants in Golden Acre is much lower than in Canal walk even if the space is the same and therefore cleaning expense have to be supplemented with additional charges to the public. See, easy answer!

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Deloris Dolittle
    January 5, 2012 at 14:04 pm

    Hey DD,

    “See, easy answer!”

    Well done on an easy answer.

    There’s another easy answer – in line with the ‘policy’ in Cape Town, Black people must stop acting like “Respected White Professionals” and shit in the open!

    :P

  • ozoneblue

    Deloris Dolittle says:
    January 5, 2012 at 14:04 pm

    Excellent. And thus we get back to the real issues – which is obviously CLASSICISM, especially from the professional Africans, Whites, Coloureds and Indians.

  • ozoneblue

    “There is off course the financial truth: I suspect the rental paid by the tenants in Golden Acre is much lower than in Canal walk even if the space is the same and therefore cleaning expense have to be supplemented with additional charges to the public. See, easy answer!”

    So as we have seen in the USA with the government bail out of the investment banks – socialism for the filthy rich and capitalism for the unwashed masses.

  • Anonymouse

    Xhasikhaya Tyokwana says:
    January 5, 2012 at 13:39 pm

    Do the other 0.0001 percent of clientelle also have to pay a fee? … Just wondering …

  • Anonymouse

    Oops! Sorry, my maths … I mean, the other 0.111 percent … aag, lets leave that th the mathematicians, which I am not. I mean, do the minority of clients also have to pay a fee to use the toilets?

  • Lisbeth

    ozoneblue -

    Don’t you mean “classism”? If so, I might just agree with you.

  • ozoneblue

    Lisbeth says:
    January 5, 2012 at 14:56 pm

    ooops. CLASSISM. Even my spell-checker refused to acknowledge there is such a bastard of a thing lol.

  • Lisbeth
  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Anonymouse
    January 5, 2012 at 14:53 pm

    Hey Doc Mouse,

    “0.0001 percent”, “0.111 percent”.

    One more try!

    p.s. Not to worry – in any proper democracy two out of three is usually wrong.

    On the other hand, in your case, we’ll blame Bantu education.

  • ozoneblue

    Lisbeth says:
    January 5, 2012 at 15:29 pm

    Again a backing over backwards and all kinds of contortionists antics to deny the BIG UGLY FAT CLASS TURD. Because once we all start to be honest about it we have to do something about real SOCIO-ECONOMIC transformation and not this bullshit “transformation” that entrenches middle class entitlement and that is fixated on privilege, “demographics” and race.

  • Xhasikhaya Tyokwana

    @ Deloris ,soo much assumption on your part .None goes to town to take a splash ,even if that was the case ,there are cleaners placed in those toilets .I wonder ,if your children would have to pay for using a bathroom in school or in a health care facility ,I doubt if you will still share the same sentiments .Provision of toilets where people spend their hard earned money isn’t a priviledge ,it is a human right ,a right to human dignity .

    Let’s drop the double standards and condemn what’s wrong,in the strongest terms .Toilet’s in the upper market malls don’t clean themselves(there is always a cleaner present) .What’s good for the one ,is also good for the other .What’s up with the subjugation of one class(race) by another ?The assumption ,that poor black people are filthy is shocking ,when they take a piss around the corner …suddenly ,everyone gets shocked at such a gesture and everyone forgets that ,had they been provided for with toilets in the first place ,none of that would have happened .

  • ozoneblue

    Form the quote of the week:

    “Economic policy, laws governing ownership and general “good behaviour” around fiscal and monetary policy are rigidly constrained both by the discipline of global capital markets and by a myriad bilateral and multilateral agreements between countries and blocks of countries.”

    Our democracy is a load of shit anyway since the “capital markets” are said to govern us – not the National Party or the ANC.

    That is why the decadent chattering classes spend hours debating about the evils of “racism” which boils down to which self-pitying middle class bigot feels most entitled because of the color of his skin to the best paying job.

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Anonymouse
    January 5, 2012 at 14:53 pm

    And Doc,

    “I mean, do the minority of clients also have to pay a fee to use the toilets?”

    The other 100 – 99.999% don’t pay a fee to use the toilets.

    Constipation or adult nappies resolves those natural urges!

  • Elan Hoffman

    I am a professional male and up till last April I was living in Cape Town, where I had been for 5 years and never ONCE experienced racism with any of my friends (including black and brown skinned, wheelchair bound and homosexual), in sporting, clubbing, shopping or entertainment locations.

    When I returned to Jozi last year I experienced blatant racism from one of the big four banks which did not accept me as a viable candidate for a certain position. There were availabilities for this role, I was appropriately skilled and experienced and I was succesful in my initial two interviews. But I was not and never will be a black female so was rejected outright by management trying and failing to meet a quota.

    I wonder if I had taken this to the Equality Courts, would I have been succesful?

    A lone white male in a society trying to do everything for the previously disadvantaged but ignoring clear commercial realities?

  • Miikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    “One can just give up on Cape Town and move back to Johannesburg, thus avoiding places where one suspects one will be discriminated against.”

    Pierre is right.

    But you should have mentioned, Pierre, that the view that Jhb is less RACIST than CT is not evidenced only by a set of shocking personal anecdotes. I recall reading somewhere of a broadly based study demonstrating precisely that. Was it HSRC? Or the HRC? Or Huisgenoot? Can’t remember now. Pierre, please post the link, if you still have it!

    Thanks.

  • Miikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    I was most impressed when a friend told me that she was moving from CT to Jhb because she wanted to live in a truly AFRICAN City. Imagine my surprise then when I discover that she had bought a house in …. Parkview. I was also a little taken aback that she also seemed to frequent restaurants in the neighbourhood where (a) almost all of the patrons were white and; (b) every single waiter was black.

    Thanks.

  • Deloris Dolittle

    @ Xhasikhaya

    I did not want to mean because my new year’s resolution is to try and be more accomodating but since you insist on continuing this discussion I guess I have to break my resolution. Answer two quesitons if you will: 1) Why is the rest rooms in places like Golden Acre so much more dirty than in places like Canal Walk? and 2) How does the paying to use a toilet infringe on you right to human dignity?

    And just by the way, the shopping centre I use (in the hart of zululand) charges R2 per person to use the toilet. They did not in the first weeks after they opened. I was there a few days after they opened and wanted to use the toilet, it was in a sad state for such a brand new facility. I can happily say that since they have instituded the fee, things look and smell infinitely better adn I am happy to pay the R2 for me and each of my children. Draw your own conclusions. And I did not say that poor black people are filthy, I have enough respect for other humans to nt say such things.

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Elan Hoffman
    January 6, 2012 at 0:02 am

    Hey Elan,

    “But I was not and never will be a black female”.

    Sometimes life can be harsh. Yours is certainly on of the sad stories of our time.

    But help is on hand – speak to Excalibur who is loaded with useful suggestions (January 5, 2012 at 12:37 pm).

    There’s always tips on these pages from helpful fellows – on Ozoneblue’s advice I “fucked off back to India” to be with 1.2 billion other “coolies”.

    Keep your eyes peeled for handy hints from contributors – Brett made some interesting suggestions in the past, maybe he will be even more creative this year.

  • Anonymouse

    Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com says:
    January 5, 2012 at 20:06 pm

    Ok – 99.999% plus 0.001% = 100%

    But, Xhasikhaya Tyokwana still has to answer my original question – do the remaining 0.001% of clientelle also pay to use the toilets? If so, there can be no question of racism at all!

  • Miikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Dr Mouse-Creature

    According to a report I read, Zille has someone “rigged” the [enclosed] toilet doors in such a fashion the persons with a melanin count of <12.5253 get in free! On the other hand, the special "loos with views" that Zille has set up on the N2 median are free to blacks and whites alike!

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Anonymouse
    January 6, 2012 at 8:39 am

    LOL Doc,

    Well done on finding your calculator. :P

    p.s. The “pay-to-pee” brigade are not racist – it’s a commercial opportunity. As any good retail business person will tell you “poor Africans are good payers”. That’s a euphemism for poor African people are vulnerable to exploitation – so fleece them any which way you can.

    Anyway Dworky launched his “save the poor rural people” programme late last year, so help is on it’s way.

    We can’t rely on Gwebs though – he keeps on shouting “FUCK THE POOR!”

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    oops Izeze Devil – it’s its

  • Anonymouse

    Miikhail Dworkin Fassbinder says:
    January 6, 2012 at 8:46 am

    Yeah – wonder what that character Oom Kootjie Emmer would have done with those loos with views – with no door to hang the newspaper on – to be read before using!

    However, I think what Xhasikhaya Tyokwana is saying – the majority of clientelle should not pay, the minority must. Pretty much like some ANC cadres are thinking should happen, especially as regards municipal service delivery.

  • ozoneblue

    @ professional Black

    “There’s always tips on these pages from helpful fellows – on Ozoneblue’s advice I “fucked off back to India” to be with 1.2 billion other “coolies”.”

    This is a good example of how this types operates. It started of with consistently calling the South African national cricket squad “racist Whites”. Then it progressed from that assertion to calling the black players in that team (about half of the squad) “coconuts”. And now it has simply collapsed back into a state of victimhood and quoting out of context. Yet the same poster expressed his hatred and contempt for India’s poor, stated that he doesn’t care about xenophobic violence in South Africa because it wouldn’t have any influence on his life in his middle class suburb, and then motivated his fascism with some hedonistic Darwinian “survival of the fittest” philosophy.

  • Brett Nortje

    Xhasikhaya Tyokwana says:
    January 5, 2012 at 18:07 pm

    Everyone has heard of Discovery Health, right?

    Poor, cash strapped little one-man business.

    At the end of November I took my dad there to pre-authorise a biopsy (see, people with medical aid have to get permission first before they undergo procedures).

    While we wait and wait I hear the call of nature…

    The receptionist directs me and I find the ‘cloakroom’eventually after several turns down dimly lit passages.

    I thrust the door open with the little-man symbol on it to find the cloakroom cloaked in….pitch blackness.

    “Now HTF am I supposed to p… if I can’t even see where the p….. is!!!?”

    “Here, sir!” comes a voice from the darkness and clicks on a mini-maglite.

    How is that for guy-bathroom-etiquette?

    Not only do you have to piss with another guy looking on – he is painting the target for you with a damn torch.

    What a bunch of schnorrers!

  • Brett Nortje

    Pierre, terwyl ek daaraan dank: Ek is so bly jy gee weer uiting aan jou gunsteling obsessie – die DA!

    Het jy oor die Kerstydperk op TV gesien wat doen jou gunsteling Arier vir diere in Slaapstad wat hulle huise verloor het?

    Wat doen jy vir dierewelsyn, he?

  • Brett Nortje

    ‘dink’! ‘dink’!

    Damn! Now I’m using ozonehead’s spellchecker – nothing between the ears!

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Brett Nortje
    January 6, 2012 at 9:25 am

    Hey G,

    Here’s a piece which will make you beam from ear to toe!

    Note also that Rhino prices are on the decline because it is too risky to have them on a farm. Given the enormous value of the rhino-horn trade, the animal is worth more dead than it is alive.

    http://mg.co.za/article/2012-01-06-big-bucks-for-game-ranchers

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    ozoneblue
    January 6, 2012 at 9:02 am

    LOL OB,

    It seems that you are using Doc Mouse’s calculator. 3/11 = 1/2?

    Anyway there’s good news. My 11 year old son made the provincial cricket team. It was a battle at first – the selectors talked about complicated stuff like batting averages, playing abilities, team spirit and other irrelevant stuff.

    I told them they are talking kak. An 11 year old can’t expected to play like Graham Smith. They just shook their heads and said “Eish – you can’t be much of a Proteas’ supporter to say something like that”. I said to the selectors that they must give him a chance especially since he’s never played cricket before. So he made the team – being Black has it’s advantages. Try it sometime.

  • bob

    @Maggs
    A kid that actually played cricket didn’t make the team because a PDI (CAI = Currently Advantaged Individual) was pushed ahead by his father.

    Congrats, that’s what you teach your kids. Baffles my mind.

  • eagleowl

    @Maggs LOL!

  • ozoneblue

    bob says:
    January 6, 2012 at 11:55 am

    He is a spiteful little prat who trolls this blog with very little intellectual integrity. When he can’t defend his position he starts posting incoherent and logically inconsistent rubbish. He quickly changes his tune though when less qualified or even grossly incompetent individuals are appointed to key positions in government or the CC to defend his “constitutional right” to be a sad little hypocrite and a racist bigot. Then the DA style whining and nauseating paranoid drivel knows no bounds.

    Don’t waste your time, he is simply not worth it.

  • Coenie
  • Coenie

    Oh, by the way, fools falls for the media/twitter storm in a teacup. Pierre maybe you should follow your own advise to Antie Helen regarding this twitter thinggie?

  • Anonymouse

    Now he’s got new friends – ‘finish and klaar!’ http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Friends-want-medical-parole-for-Selebi-20120106-3
    Or are they the old ones in a new guise?

    Any way, Jackie S and friends, ‘stand up for your rights!’

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    bob
    January 6, 2012 at 11:55 am

    Hey Bob,

    “Congrats, that’s what you teach your kids.”

    Thank you.

    As I always say to my 11 year old kid – if you fight hard enough, anything could be yours.

    As Brett pointed out, with a fake birth certificate anyone can end up President of the USA.

    BTW now that you ask, my son is doing very well at cricket – he scored 17 runs (admittedly mostly by fluke – just like you-know-who) in one match; which is one more than Proteas Captain Graeme Smith. He’s good eh?

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Coenie
    January 6, 2012 at 12:44 pm

    Ditto!

    “Shut the fuck up and read this:”

    http://www.iol.co.za/news/world/fog-of-racism-blurs-lines-of-contempt-1.1208765

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com
  • Brett Nortje

    Its that kak wailing you call music, my brown friend!

  • Coenie

    Question one is, who the hell does these stores think they are and who in crickets blue bloody heaven does these celebrities do they think they are. It’s because I’m white maggies man, Captain Stupid’s dad?

  • Coenie

    Question two is, are we not all caucasian in love and war?

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Coenie
    January 6, 2012 at 14:28 pm

    Coenie,

    “who the hell does these stores think they are and who in crickets blue bloody heaven does these celebrities do they think they are.”

    The stores think they are, er, “stores”?

    Could it be that the celebrities think they are … celebrities?

    p.s. “are we not all caucasian in love and war?” – speak for yourself. Me and my BFF, Ozoneblue, are mortal enemies sworn to do battle until the last man standing (which is me. OB is just a big hole in the atmosphere, sorta of like a vacuum, but empty).

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Well done to an amazing young man!

    He wrote matric with his toes – and passed with flying colours

    LETLHOGONOLO Mafela, a physically challenged 19-year-old from Matshepe Village in Mahikeng, North West, surprised many people when he passed his matric with flying colours – against all odds.

    http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2012/01/06/he-wrote-matric-with-his-toes—and-passed-with-flying-colours

  • ozoneblue

    Jamaica to break links with Queen, says Prime Minister Simpson Miller.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-16449969

    “The announcement comes ahead of celebrations to mark 50 years of Jamaican independence from Britain.”

    “The Caribbean island has widespread poverty, high unemployment and huge debts.”

    However as always “pverty” is relative. Jamaicans have an average life expectancy 73 years (RSA 49 years), literacy rate almost same as RSA at 87%, with lower unemployment 12% (RSA 23%). Jamaica.

    And here is the bottom line. Social democratic government.

    “The People’s National Party (PNP) is a social democratic and social liberal Jamaican political party, founded by Norman Manley in 1938. It is the oldest political party in the Anglophone Caribbean and one of the main two political parties in Jamaica. Out of the two major parties, it is considered more to the left than its main rival, the Jamaica Labour Party. It has been the majority in the Jamaican Parliament between 1972 to 1980, from 1989 to September 2007 when the JLP won the general election[2] and currently, as of the December 2011 general election. The party is a member of the Socialist International.”

    JAHMAAAN!

  • Cecil

    Thanks for the forum Mr De Vos.

    Racism is the AIDS of this country. Consequently we are all either infected or affected by it. Cape Town is a lovely city, so is Joburg @ Elan Hoffman.

    Equality is a right, everybody knows that and the fact that there is a court to inforce it undermines our equality because instead of promoting equality they are punishing people for being unequal. Courts don’t solve crime or other unlawful acts rather they put people in prison and give victims a sense of justification. Thats all!

    There are so many ways to be racist the and the court is not going to police every platform out there there’ll be too many petty cases (too many things the attorneys would rather be doing). At this point I would like to know what you think Mr De Vos?

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    ozoneblue
    January 7, 2012 at 8:41 am

    Hey OB,

    WDYSTT eh?

    ANC Youth League President Julius Malema launched a brazen attack on ANC leaders yesterday, referring to them as “baboons”

    http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/anc-leaders-are-baboons-1.1209263

    Our future President (thanks Msholozi and Prof Jansen) has a plan to rescue us from the baboons.

    “We want to live like whites; we don’t want to chase them away, we want to live with whites and like whites.

    Maybe he also wants to drink Johnny Walker King George V edition at R10 000 a bottle!

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    “[Premier Zille] has not learnt yet that one cannot have a sensible political argument in 140 characters at a time”

    But one can make fables 140 characters at a time!

    @helenzille Helen Zille
    @maw2s Yes, and I opposed the National Party my whole life. Check on Google. Ironically, the Nats are now with the ANC.

    LOL Ms Zille but some of us think that the DA is the Phoenix which rose from the ashes of DP and NNP (and others) in 2000.

    On the someone should tell Irvin Jim that he blinked and missed the creation of the chimera which is the ANC of old and the NNP (the NNP of course did a perfect Rajbansi and double-crossed its ‘partners’ when their leaders got offers they could not refuse).

    [Zille's] party is a recycled racist Nationalist Party (NP) that wants to maintain and protect racist apartheid privileges of the past as enjoyed by a tiny minority.

    http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=236849&sn=Detail&pid=71619

  • ozoneblue

    @ professional Black
    January 7, 2012 at 20:16 pm

    yawn.

    What is a “mini-rally” – 20 to 50 lost souls or so. Can’t Juliass Malema even afford a decent crowd anymore?

    http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/anc-leaders-are-baboons-1.1209263

  • ozoneblue

    “We want to live like whites; we don’t want to chase them away, we want to live with whites and like whites.”

    But Juliass is already living in Sandton in a very fancy house. Just how white does he want to be – vote for the DA as well?

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    ozoneblue
    January 7, 2012 at 21:21 pm

    LOL OB,

    “@ professional Black”

    I see you learned well from your mentor – Madam running night classes for you?

    Is it true that AVBOB (the funeral parlour) is sponsoring the ANC Golf Tourney?

    Maybe ‘the ancestors’ whispered in Zuma’s ear that it’s time to make arrangements for the ANC which once was!

    Zuma said the ritual was also a way of speaking to the ancestors, as well as God in a “traditional” way.

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2012/01/07/mangaung-anc-centenary-concert-begins

    p.s. Well done to our CJ for opening Heavencom – now Zuma has got a direct line. He must have taken advice from Sokobl.

    http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Where-will-you-go-when-you-die-20120106

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    ozoneblue
    January 7, 2012 at 21:24 pm

    OB,

    “Just how white does he want to be – vote for the DA as well?”

    No, no – it’s unlikely that he wants to vote DA.

    It’s more likely that he wants to have the best of everything, party like there’s no tomorrow, enjoy being a national of one of the most revered nations on the planet under the finest constitution in the world and the freedom to moan, grumble and complain just how bad ‘the new South Africa’ is.

  • Gwebecimele

    Unlike Manyi, Cape Town and DA seem to have practical means of discouraging blacks to move to this ‘little Europe”

    http://dailymaverick.co.za/opinionista/2012-01-05-cape-town-world-racism-capital-2011

  • Brett Nortje

    Yes, that must be why a flood of refugees are fleeing the Western Cape’s ANC-controlled neighbours to where those nasty mhlungus are, huh?

  • Brett Nortje

    Cecil’s contention that ‘racism is the AIDS of this country’ is anomalous with the way this discussion is going.

    The rate of white HIV infection is way below the average.

    And, as I recall it, most of the voices speaking out against Thabo Mbeki’s murderous AIDS-denialism belonged to whites.

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Brett Nortje
    January 8, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Hey G,

    “Yes, that must be why a flood of refugees are fleeing the Western Cape’s ANC-controlled neighbours to where those nasty mhlungus are, huh?”

    You’re out of touch with the migration patterns.

    The flood of ‘economic migrants’ seems to have headed elsewhere!

    http://www.sundayworld.co.za/news/2012/01/08/invasion-hookers-flock-to-anc-party

  • Cecil

    @ Brett

    I am familiar with social forums, but this one I recently discovered. I have enjoyed much of the topics De Vos writes about and the comments by the avid followers. However derailed the discussions go atleast some people are addressing the realities. I could refer to much of the commentary here in my projects I’l be busy with this year. Otherwise your observation is true, Maggs and Ozone are responsible for contaminating the discussion.

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    “And that is the tragedy of this whole episode. This glorious movement formed by Africa’s best, dedicated to achieving what was good for all people, has been reduced to a squabbling entity of groups that cannot even be sure their youth leadership can be trusted with a few minutes on stage.

    It is an indictment on the entire leadership collective that refused to take the risk of a Malema on stage, and those who, when told, agreed to let that decision stand. It is a sign of failed leadership that lacks the courage of its own conviction.

    A leadership that, though aware of what is right, is prepared to go along with the wrong if it can help secure its own political survival at the same venue in a few months’ time.

    And so, as President Gedleyihlekisa Zuma stands to speak on Sunday, it will not be what he will be saying that many people will hear, but rather what Malema did not say.

    http://www.citypress.co.za/Columnists/The-silence-is-deafening-20120108

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Haibo!

    Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe proposed a toast and told the half-empty stadium that if they did not have champagne, they could take photographs of their leaders drinking, or raise clenched fists.

    “The leaders will now enjoy the champagne, and of course they do so on your behalf through their lips,” he said.

    http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/1000s-leave-stadium-before-end-of-Zumas-speech-20120108

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Oh well maybe they should have let Comrade Juju speak after all!

    It is unclear if the ANC members who’d left the stadium during his address had gone because of the heat, because they had to leave due to lack of accommodation or whether they were sending Zuma a message.

    One woman left saying she was bored.

  • Cecil

    Malema should take this to the equality court. For being treated unequally. Still though division with this fraud ANC is good.

  • ozoneblue

    I’m trying hard to understand on what grounds Malema were supposed to play any role whatsoever at the celebrations since for those who do not know he has been suspended months ago.

    I guess the RACISTS and professional Blacks amongst use just can’t let go of their poster boy.

  • Brett Nortje

    Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com says:
    January 9, 2012 at 0:08 am

    Did the ANC leadership serve cake, Maggs?

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Brett Nortje
    January 9, 2012 at 8:40 am

    Hey G,

    “Did the ANC leadership serve cake, Maggs?”

    No. We learned a long time ago that you cannot have your cake and eat it!

    Anyway – the AP reporter is clearly racist – note “the half-empty stadium”.

    If it was a White people’s event (like the Proteas playing Sri Lanka) the stadium would have been “half-full”!

    WDYT?

  • Brett Nortje

    I think, my dear Maggs, that the ANC should have handed out flyers directing their members to a lovely little bistro in Bloemfontein (oops!) named Marie-Antoinettes.

    On Jacaranda news some of the people who set off to the birthday celebrations before the weekend complained they had had nothing to eat.

    At least they got to watch their leaders drink French champagne – which I hope the ANC leadership pronounce with an ‘o’.

    ROTFLMAO@THE ANC!

  • Brett Nortje

    Anyone seen you-tube links for Trevor Noah on the Jay Leno show?

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Brett Nortje
    January 9, 2012 at 9:45 am

    The guy is really funny – http://dirtyallstars.co.za/trevor-noah-on-the-tonight-show-with-jay-leno/.

    I think it’s on tonite on 410.

  • Brett Nortje

    The few soundbytes played on Jacaranda this morning captured more than a few of the nuances of this crazy fucked-up country we were accidentally born in.

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Brett Nortje
    January 9, 2012 at 12:43 pm

    Hey G,

    I am sure that you speak for all White people when you say “accidentally born in”.

    Except Ozone guy – in his case ‘erroneously’ would be more fitting!

  • Gwebecimele

    Michelle SolomonBlackness, whiteness and the vexed race debate that plagues South Africa
    The first few days of 2012 have seen much-needed conversations about race and the nature of racism. Unfortunately, these debates have also been marred by a particular defensiveness and a failed attempt to understand, never mind empathise with, the experiences of racism put forward by non-white South Africans.

    When Lindiwe Suttle tweeted about her experience of racism in Cape Town, several other non-white South Africans voiced additional experiences of racism in the old city. These voices soon joined forces in the controversial and contested Twitter hashtag, #CapeTownIsRacist. Helen Zille, in a rash and petty tweet, called the claim “a baseless assertion” and “complete nonsense”. Zille’s comments were met with anger from several tweeters, including Johannesburg-based singer Simphiwe Dana, who responded: “It is embarrassing that as a leader you would deny people their experiences. Try live in a black skin for once. You have the power to change things. Use it!” And in poor taste and lacking insight, something which she appears to have had in short supply in recent months, Zille accused Dana of being a “professional black”. Originally coined by Jacob Dlamini in a critique of Jimmy Manyi, the term is meant to refer to someone who “trades on his [or her] skin colour”. In a display of Zille’s notoriously thoughtless cattiness, the Premier almost shut down the possibility of reasoned and open debate about race-related experiences of non-whites.

    This kind of blind “reactionism” and defensiveness displayed by the Premier also proliferates in less esteemed company. It happens among white peers, as well as online public spaces. When the Mail&Guardian’s Verashni Pillay last week described her experience of racism in Cape Town, her column was met with hostility, not on the merits of her writing or arguments, but instead on the credibility of her claims that she experienced racism. One commentator called on Pillay to cite specific cases of racism she experienced: “I challenge you to list and describe the ‘racist incidents’ which made you ‘flee’ Cape Town. Easy to make allegations, not so easy to back up. Methinks you’re full of sh*t.” Similarly, Zille has begun her own search for empirical evidence of racism in Cape Town, encouraging her followers to tweet their experiences of racism at Cape Town businesses as and when they happen.

    While it may be admirable, this kind of pragmatism and positivism in the face of complaints of racism in Cape Town (or anywhere in South Africa) ignores the complexity and nuances of racism. Overt and explicit racism, the likes of which includes denying racial groups access to services or the acts of hate crimes and hate speech, may be dealt with pragmatically. Implicit racism, however, is a much more complex beast to conquer, and its prevalence and existence is often denied by many white South Africans.

    This attempt to discredit the racialised and racist experiences of non-white South Africans by white South Africans is common. But who are we, as white people, to deny the racialised experiences of non-white people? What gives us any kind of authority to “legitimate” (or “de-legitimate”) these very real experiences of our fellow South Africans?

    Whiteness

    I believe that Zille’s blindness – and that of many white South Africans – to implicit racism is a symptom of her “whiteness”.

    “Whiteness”, just like race, is a socially constructed element of identity, and is in no way an inherited or genetic trait. But being a social construct does not make it any less real. “Whiteness”, as identified in critical whiteness studies, refers to the invisibility of “white” as a racial category – race only applies to the non-white. The race of white people often goes unnamed, whereas members of other races are frequently identified by their perceived race. Instead, white people and their experiences are centred as the human norm. This is partly exemplified by Zille’s initial denial of the claim that “Cape Town is racist”. A better example would be the comments on Jacob Phamodi’s column in Daily Maverick , wherein he explores his experiences of racism as an “articulate black”:

    “Another poor bloody victim.”

    “Jacob, after reading your article three times, I have come to the conclusion that the only one ‘preoccupied with your blackness’ is you. The world you describe is not one that I recognise, and your article ends up being nothing more than an anti-white rant.” (my emphasis added)

    The first commentator not only appears to deny Phamodi’s experiences of racism, he makes a throw-away comment frequently heard among white peers: that non-white people, specifically blacks, suffer from some kind of victim pathology. It alludes to the racist and privileged belief that, were we to acknowledge the validity of Phamodi’s claims of racism, Phamodi is just another black shackled by his victimhood; another black with a “chip on his shoulder”. Consequently, Phamodi must “just get over it”. A more insidious allusion of this comment, however, may be that black peoples’ experiences of racism is nothing more than a projection of perpetual victimhood, and has no basis in “reality”. When a second commentator states that Phamodi’s description of racism “is not one that I recognise” in an attempt to discredit the author, this blindness of “whiteness” comes to the fore. So, simply because this commentator does not share Phamodi’s experience of racism, it must therefore be irrefutably invalid?

    In reference to “whiteness”, Richard Dyer wrote in 1997: “There is no more powerful position than that of being ‘just human’. The claim to power to speak for the whole of humanity. Raced people can’t do that – they can only speak for their race.” When we “race” white South Africans, will they/we stop speaking for the racial and racist experiences of other races? Experiences that, by nature of their being born with a white skin, they/we are often shielded from experiencing themselves?

    The denial of white privilege as an element of “whiteness”

    In a South African context Dyer’s concept of “whiteness” appears immediately problematic, as many white South Africans feel victimised by policies of affirmative action and BEE that discriminates against them/us. “Reverse racism” is a term often bandied about among white peers and commentators. Such comments try to assert the domination and power of specifically black South Africans to deny their own privilege as white South Africans. They cite non-specific comments made by Julius Malema and other powerful black figures as evidence of “reverse racism” or “white-on-black racism”. In commenting on Pillay’s column on her experiences of racism in Cape Town, some white commentators opted to whine about their own experiences. “Why don’t you write about all the white people that have fled Jhb or Pretoria because of the racism by the black people there, or is it that they, the white people, are being the racists?” asked one. Instead of engaging with Pillay’s experience of racism, the commentator opts to deflect the issue from that of racism experienced by non-whites, to that experienced by whites at the hands of non-whites. Why does this commentator think the racism experienced by whites is any more important than Pillay’s experiences of racism by whites? Is this another element of “whiteness” at play?

    But these policies and Malema’s comments are a far cry from being any kind of “reverse racism”, especially in a South African context where millions of non-white South Africans have still not recovered from the dehumanising effect of apartheid. Where these policies are definitely discriminatory, they are definitely not prejudicial and are not racist. Although political democracy has been established, the racial capitalism that has been created by segregation prior to 1948 and apartheid thereafter continues to prohibit the formation of a valuable democracy in terms of socio-economic rights, and South Africa still continues to exhibit an extremely racialised class system.

    This was made glaringly obvious by the Income and Expenditure Survey of Households (IES) of 2005/06 and the General Household Survey of 2006. At that time, the collected data yielded results that indicated where non-white races – black, coloured and Indian/Asian – made up 90.7% of the South African population and earned 54.6% of South Africa’s income (which includes both work and grants), whites made up 9.2% of the South African population and earned 45.3% of income. While this study is dated, it is highly unlikely that seismic shifts in these figures have occurred in the last seven years.

    This may be further exemplified in the private sector of the Johannesburg Securities Exchange in 2002, where “98% of executive director positions of JSE-listed companies were white (and mostly male) [and] only 64 such directors were black”. In 2006, black directors held only 25% or 558 of South Africa’s 2,245 board positions. Two years ago, of 269 CEO positions, black people occupied 9% and white people 91%. In addition, provinces containing former homelands undoubtedly suffer the greatest degree of poverty – in 2005/06 the poverty rates ranged from 24.9% in Gauteng and 28.8% in Western Cape to 57.6% in Eastern Cape and 64.6% in Limpopo – indicating the prevalence of a black under-class.

    These statistics confirm the existence of a largely racial class system in this country, where black South Africans exist in the lower-classes and white South Africans in the upper-classes, that was created and maintained by segregation and apartheid.

    “Unless you are going to argue that blacks are ‘naturally’ inferior to whites (which is an outright racist position), you have to admit that there is some mechanism that is limiting black opportunity,” writes Hepshida for Daily Kos. And as we know, many white South Africans do argue that those non-white South Africans who fail to break free of the poverty line are somehow individually and personally at fault. Some argue that black poverty in South Africa could not possibly be the continued effect of apartheid: “I mean, it’s been 18 years”. Others argue that, because their own family members were “arm blankes” (poor whites) prior to 1948 and worked their way out of poverty, non-white people are “lazy” and “just don’t work hard enough” and “are always looking for a hand-out”. All of these comments not only gainsay the depth of the denial of human dignity and humanity of non-white people under apartheid, but also the privilege of many whites to have been excluded from that process. It denies the simple truth that, where millions of non-white South Africans struggle and scramble to feed themselves and their families, most white South Africans have not been at this disadvantage.

    This denial of “white privilege” is symptomatic of “whiteness”, just as it denies the extreme disadvantage of non-white South Africans in an untransformed and racialised class system. “Whiteness” as a social construct has taught many white people to be blind not only to the disadvantage of other races, but to the advantage that arises from such a disadvantage. These advantages need not only be economic. In fact, most of this privilege exists in “invisible” social interactions among white peers and groups dominated by white South Africans.

    But how are we socially privileged where other races are not?

    “White privilege” in social interactions

    In “White Privilege: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack” Peggy MacIntosh attempts to identify and list instances where she experiences white privilege. Below are some of those instances most relevant to our South African context:

    •If I should need to move, I can be pretty sure of renting or purchasing housing in an area, which I can afford and in which I would want to live, and will not be denied such opportunities because of my race.
    •I can turn on the television or look at various magazine covers and see people of my race widely represented.
    •I can count on my skin colour not to work against the appearance of my financial reliability.
    •I can swear, or dress in second hand clothes, or not answer letters, without having people attribute these choices to the bad morals, the poverty, or the illiteracy of my race.
    •I can speak in public to a powerful male group without putting my race on trial.
    •I can do well in a challenging situation without being called a “credit” to my race.
    •I am never asked to speak for all the people of my racial group.
    •I can remain oblivious of the language and customs of persons of colour who constitute [South Africa's] majority without feeling in my culture any penalty for such oblivion.
    •I can take a job with an affirmative action employer without having co-workers on the job suspect that I got it because of race.
    •I can choose public accommodation without fearing that people of my race cannot get in or will be mistreated in the place I have chosen.
    •If my day, week or year is going badly, I need not ask of each negative episode or situation whether it has racial overtones.
    •I can choose blemish cover or bandages in “flesh” colour and have them more or less match my skin.
    Again, while race and racial identities are merely social constructs, they are very real in their effect on how we move throughout society and interact with other human beings. And these social constructs both give and deny privilege, power and advantage to different groups depending on their race. “Whiteness is not a blank slate, it is not the de facto absence of racial identity any more than maleness is the de facto absence of gender,” writes Kristin Craig Lai. And if we can make whiteness strange, we can identify it as something that is not inalienable to our identities as white people. As a white person, I do not have to act “with whiteness”. It is my choice to be self-reflexive about my interactions with non-white people, and acknowledge that I may never share their experiences by virtue of being white. I can acknowledge that, because my white privilege shields me from experiencing explicit or implicit racism in my daily life, this does not mean that other races do not experience racism. I have the choice to engage and empathise with the experiences of others both like and unlike myself. And then perhaps we may begin to bridge the (often great) race and class divide in South Africa.

    “White guilt”, accusations of black-on-white racism and defensiveness are not appropriate responses to the vocalisation of racism experiences by non-white people. “Identity is a complicated and ever shifting thing. If you engage in the ‘more oppressed than thou’ game everyone loses. The point is to think consciously and openly about what kind of privilege you benefit from and what that means,” writes Lai.

    This requires humility, and a willingness to engage with and listen to the experiences of others without defensive posturing. If we do this, perhaps we can shrug off the pall of whiteness that blinds us from engaging with the experiences of our peers and fellow South Africans. Perhaps, as Pillay suggests, we can “we can lower the cordons in the locations of our heart”. DM

    More by Michelle SolomonBlackness, whiteness and the vexed race debate that plagues South Africa
    Sunday Times, Business Day, the report and me
    Free, responsible media is about public interest AND public trust
    Sunday Times and me, Part II: The Empire strikes back, sort of
    Sunday Times and meBack to Opinionistas

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    ozoneblue
    January 9, 2012 at 8:24 am

    Hey Racist White Guy,

    Your boss is displaying her “whiteliness” again!

    “In a country where relationships are brittle, it is highly irresponsible and in fact amounts to hate speech to put such statements out there,” the DA leader said.

    http://news.iafrica.com/sa/771760.html

  • ozoneblue

    “Some argue that black poverty in South Africa could not possibly be the continued effect of apartheid: “I mean, it’s been 18 years”.”

    So whence then does the abject black poverty in other countries possibly originate from?

    LOW HUMAN DEVELOPMENT

    142 Solomon Islands
    143 Kenya
    144 São Tomé and Príncipe
    145 Pakistan
    146 Bangladesh
    147 Timor-Leste
    148 Angola
    149 Myanmar
    150 Cameroon
    151 Madagascar
    152 Tanzania, United Republic of
    153 Papua New Guinea
    154 Yemen
    155 Senegal
    156 Nigeria
    157 Nepal
    158 Haiti
    159 Mauritania
    160 Lesotho
    161 Uganda
    162 Togo
    163 Comoros
    164 Zambia
    165 Djibouti
    166 Rwanda
    167 Benin
    168 Gambia
    169 Sudan
    170 Côte d’Ivoire
    171 Malawi
    172 Afghanistan
    173 Zimbabwe
    174 Ethiopia
    175 Mali
    176 Guinea-Bissau
    177 Eritrea
    178 Guinea
    179 Central African Republic
    180 Sierra Leone
    181 Burkina Faso
    182 Liberia
    183 Chad
    184 Mozambique
    185 Burundi
    186 Niger
    187 Congo, Democratic Republic of the

    http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDR_2011_EN_Table3.pdf

    I mean Zimbabwe (173 HDI) if it is still so shite in South Africa because of the racist Whites and apartheid why are there so few South African refugees in Zimbabwe?

  • Brett Nortje

    Culture of dumbassedness at work.

    Choosing, deliberately, the Low Road instead of the High.

    Being driven by envy-ideologies like Communism – or the ‘blackish’ tendency in the ANC.

  • Brett Nortje

    Maggs, whose idea was the Transfrontier Park?

    http://www.beeld.com/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Agt-renosterkarkasse-in-Krugerwildtuin-gekry-20120110

    Agt renosterkarkasse in Krugerwildtuin gekry
    2012-01-10 21:35
    Buks Viljoen
    Minstens agt renosterkarkasse is in die 24 uur tot gisteraand in die Krugerwildtuin ontdek.

    Al die diere se horings is verwyder.

    Die meeste van die diere se karkasse was baie vars, maar almal is die afgelope week geskiet, het ’n bron met grondige kennis van renosterstropery gisteraand aan Beeld gesê.

    Vier van die karkasse is na verneem word naby die Pretoriuskop-kamp gekry, twee naby Onder-Sabie en twee in die omgewing van Krokodilbrug.

    ’n Volskaalse soektog waaraan veldwagters van die wildtuin en lede van die weermag deelneem, is in die gebied tussen Pretoriuskop en Krokodilbrug begin.

    Die oostelike dele van die wildtuin is bekend om die groot aantal renosters daar.

    Stropers kan maklik ná hul strooptogte oor die oostelike grensdraad uit die wildtuin vlug.

    Die Krugerwildtuin het die jongste slagting teen druktyd nog nie bevestig nie.

    Verlede jaar is 448 renosters (429 wit- en 19 swartrenosters) landwyd gestroop.

    Van hulle is 252 in die Krugerwildtuin geskiet. In 2010 is 333 gestroop.

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Brett Nortje
    January 11, 2012 at 9:04 am

    LOL G,

    It was “the conservationists” who dunnit!

    Anyway those are just rhinos which are anyway over concentrated like coloured people.

  • ozoneblue

    HDI

    “186 Niger
    187 Congo, Democratic Republic of the ”

    Things are going so good in the Congo that they even want that racist Whites back to come and help them run their farms so that they can at least have something to eat.

    “The trek of Afrikaner farmers into black Africa is one of the more bizarre products of post-apartheid pan-African co-operation. Far from being suspicious of the people who had tried to entrench white supremacy in South Africa, the Congolese and Mozambican governments enthusiastically welcomed the Afrikaners. They gave them state-owned farmland, on a long lease, rent-free, and a ten-year tax holiday. President Nelson Mandela dignified the project with his blessing. The South African government even helped finance early settlers in northern Mozambique.”

    http://www.economist.com/node/155209

  • ozoneblue

    Brett Nortje says:
    January 11, 2012 at 8:30 am

    “Culture of dumbassedness at work. ”

    Some of us need a fucking lobotomy to grasp all the delicate intricacies of this politically correct bullshit that they sell nowadays in our universities as as “race theory”. And some of us are just born without a left frontal lobe.

  • ozoneblue

    Having said that it seems that at least many Afrikaners who don’t find CT racist at all. In fact they love it there and are amused by the “Bruin mense”‘s good “Afrikaanse humor” and interesting dialect.

    http://www.solidariteit-blog.co.za/die-kaap-bied-goede-hoop/#more-13728