Constitutional Hill

Hypocrisy fit for a king

Earlier this week, Eastern Cape DA leader Athol Trollip publicly welcomed Thembu King Buyelekhaya Dalindyebo as a DA member, demonstrating that the DA is critical of political parties who associate with criminals – unless the criminals are potential vote getters and join the DA. Surely a principled political party would suspend or even expel any member who is convicted of serious crime? But principles are seemingly not the DA’s strong point. Neither is sticking to its own Constitution.

At a widely publicised event, Trollip said he was “very proud” to welcome the king to the DA. The King, who joined the DA over the weekend, faces a 15-year prison sentence after being convicted of several serious crimes – including kidnapping, culpable homicide and assault with intent to do grievous bodily harm. He is awaiting his appeal against his conviction and sentence, which might or might not have something to do with his Damascus conversion about the wonders of the DA.

The King is of course free to join any political party that thinks it can afford to have him. I hear the Dagga Party is looking for members. His right to do so is protected by section 19(1) of the Constitution, which states that:

Every citizen is free to make political choices, which includes the right: to form a political party; to participate in the activities of, or recruit members for, a political party; and to campaign for a political party or cause.” (isiXhosa translation: “Wonke ummi ukhululekile ukuba azikhethele ngokwezopolitiko, oku kubandakanya ilungelo: lokuseka iqela lezopolitiko; lokuthabatha inxaxheba kwiintshukumo zeqela lezopolitiko, okanye ukufunela iqela lezopolitiko amalungu; kunyenokugayela iqela elithile lezopolitiko okanye injongo ethile yezopolitiko.

This means that Parliament is prohibited from passing laws similar to those passed by the Apartheid Parliament, which allowed the then National Party government to “ban” the ANC, the SACP, the PAC and other movements who fought for liberation from operating legally in South Africa.

Section 19(1) also prohibits Parliament from passing Apartheid-style laws that would forbid any person from belonging to a political party or movement that operates in South Africa.

Whether Parliament may – under certain narrow circumstances – ban political parties whose aim is to overthrow of the democratically elected government or to replace the constitutional democracy with a totalitarian regime, is of course another matter.

The German Constitutional Court banned the Communist Party as well as a Neo Nazi Party in the early days of the German democracy, but recent moves to ban another far right party has run into some opposition. In any case, as far as I know, there are no parties in South Africa whose stated aim is to eradicate democracy altogether, so this point is not currently of interest to us.

The right to join a political party and to remain a member of a political party is, of course, not an absolute right. A political party has the right to take disciplinary steps against members or to refuse membership to potential members in order to protect its image and to ensure that some of its members do not bring the party into disrepute or undermine the basic values espoused by that political party.

Just ask Julius Malema, who was expelled from the ANC after being found guilty of breaching its Constitution.

Speaking of Constitutions, the DA’s own Constitution seems to have been flouted by the DA when it welcomed a convicted kidnapper and assaulter as a member.

Section 3.1.1.3 of the DA Constitution states that “[e]very person wishing to become a member of the Democratic Alliance must subscribe to the Vision, the Principles, the Programme of Action and the Mission Statement of the Party.” So far, so good. If the King really believes in the so called “equal opportunities society”, and if his conversion to the DA is not as opportunistic as it might appear to the reasonable outsider, this section would not prevent him from joining the party.

Interestingly, section 3.2.1 of the DA Constitution also allows the Executive of a Constituency or the relevant Regional or Provincial Executive of the DA to refuse to accept the membership of any person who applies to join. These bodies failed to exercise this power, instead welcoming the King as a member of the DA – despite his criminal convictions.

But the decision to welcome the King as a DA member is even more inexplicable if you read section 3.5.1.8 of the DA Constitution. This section states that a member of the DA automatically ceases to be a member if he or she is “found guilty of any offence listed in Schedule 1, 2, 5, 6 or 7 of the Criminal Procedure Act”. Curiously, schedule 1 offences include culpable homicide, kidnapping and assault when a dangerous wound is inflicted”.

King Dalindyebo has been convicted of all three crimes. Although he is appealing his conviction and sentencing and could still be acquitted on appeal, the fact remains that he has been convicted of crimes which the DA constitution itself states automatically terminates his membership.

In the past the DA has shown far less leniency when public figures aligned with the ANC were convicted of criminal offences. At the time it demanded the firing of then Deputy President Jacob Zuma after the conviction of Schabir Shaik – even though Zuma had not been convicted of any crime himself.

At the very least the stench of hypocrisy hangs over the DA. At worst, it is flouting its own Constitution for perceived short-term political gain. (It is an open question whether the King’s decision to join the DA will benefit the party as hoped – did anyone in the DA check how much support the King actually has?)

It must be said that political parties are, by their very nature, opportunistic. They want to win votes while appearing to be principled and honest, but will do almost anything to get more votes if they think they can get away with it. It might therefore appear unfair to single out the DA for being so blatantly unprincipled and opportunistic.

But because the DA presents itself as more principled and honest than other political parties (notably the ANC) and as being implacably opposed to criminality, its embrace of King Dalin . dyebo – despite his criminal conviction on schedule 1 offences – must surely damage its image. By welcoming a convicted kidnapper, someone who was found guilty of culpable homicide, as a member of the party while he is still awaiting the outcome of an appeal, the DA is sending the message: “Do as we say, not as we do.”

What next? A public event where Helen Zille openly welcomes Oscar Pistorius into DA fold?

All is not lost. Section 3.6.1 of the DA Constitution further states that the membership of any member of the party may also be terminated by a provincial executive or the Federal Executive, but only after a Disciplinary Committee has found a member guilty of misconduct.

I would think that the DA could win back some lost credibility by starting the process of expelling the King, who it has so recently enthusiastically welcomed as a member. But I am not holding my breath

  • Sandra Botha

    Difficult one. Since criminals can vote, and no party refuses them, is it different to giving them membership?

  • Deloris Dolittle

    Interesting point Pierre, thanks for pointing that out. I trust you had a good holiday.

  • Maggs Naidu

    @Pierre : “who it has so recently enthusiastically welcomed as a member”

    Well maybe he does not come with many potential voters.

    But he is known to have a large stock of that, er, stuff.

    Perhaps Trollip took “smoking the peace pipe” too literally!

    In India we have a saying, “the grass is greener in the King’s village”.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    It is my experience that whites who want to adhere to principles and standards of high moral standards will eventually be totally marginalised, self-destruct and do not have a place in the new South Africa.

    Nowhere is it more obvious and are these dynamics more obvious than that in this tragicomic example of the DA. This is also why it is very important for White liberals in particular to wage a continued and unrelenting propaganda war against whites and decent old-fashioned cultural and moral values including but not limited to “Whiteness”, the religious believe system, justice system, authority, discipline, the so called “patriarchy and the so called “nuclear family”.

  • Afri Sakhele

    @Maggs Naidu, Lol… I fully agree with you here.

    @Pierre, could it be that the DA is taking the cANCer route. This reminds me of the late Wrestler who always used to say, “Lie, Cheat and Steal”

  • Perfide Consultus

    There a couple of distinctions to be drawn, and a couple of points that are overlooked.

    DA objects to criminals in “public office” and depleting the public coffers for their personal ends.

    The complaint and call for Zuma to resign (in light of the Shaik scandal) cannot be juxtaposed against the membership of Dalindyebo. Zuma is the chief executive of the country, consorting with corrupt “little” people. DA is not involved in corrupt relationship with this king.

    The significance of the move is that for the first time, an African leader, with some modicum of authority, is indicating publicly that the DA is a viable alternative to the ANC.

    Regardless of the DA’s expediency, the facts of the matter are politically significant. That can’t be denied.

    As an aside… does Floyd Shivambu write your material: “stench of hypocrisy” and “opportunistic” used three times and twice in one paragraph?

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ PdV

    “It might therefore appear unfair to single out the DA for being so blatantly unprincipled and opportunistic. ….But because the DA presents itself as more principled and honest than other political parties …”

    Pierre, please urgently let us have your list of the political parties that do NOT present themselves as more principled and honest than other political parties!

    Look forward to hearing it. Thanks!

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Perfide Consultus

    With respect, your comments are suffused with the opportunistically bitter stench of hypocrisy.

    As PdV has taught us, we hold the DA to a much higher standard because (in stark contrast to other parties!), it “presents itself as more principled and honest than other political parties.”

  • Zoo Keeper

    Prof

    You need to practice more law.

    He’s on appeal, which means his conviction is held in abeyance – it is not confirmed until his appeal is dismissed. His conviction is only final is he loses his appeal.

    Simple legal stuff.

  • Maggs Naidu

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    July 17, 2013 at 9:42 am

    Dworky,

    “Pierre, please urgently let us have your list of the political parties that do NOT present themselves as more principled and honest than other political parties!”

    While Pierre is compiling that long list here’s a few to consider :

    Aunty Pat and the ID decided that they were less “principled and honest than” that DA;

    Kortbroek & Co and the NNP felt the same about the ANC;

    Federal Alliance and the DP;

    Dagga Party rather let King D go to the DA for reasons unknown

  • John Roberts

    “…As an aside… does Floyd Shivambu write your material: “stench of hypocrisy” and “opportunistic” used three times and twice in one paragraph?”

    Floyd Shivambu would do a better job with the English. If you read this blog regularly then you will know that the articles by de Vos are always full of redundancy and hyperbole and always contain sweeping generalisations (presented as a universal truth), wild conjecture and he is seldom able to link a premise to any fact thus arriving at conclusions that are supported by little other than his off-target opinion.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Zookeeper

    “[Da King] is on appeal, which means his conviction is held in abeyance”

    Zooks is right. No one is morally blameworthy of ANYTHING unless (a) he is convicted of something and;(b), his final appeal has been dismissed. That is why I condemn anyone who says Mr Zuma is corrupt, George Zimmerman is a bad man, or that Hitler was a murderer!

  • Gwebecimele

    DA caught between a rock and a hard place. Their NDP if Numsa is correct, is being rubbished by another white liberal. May be they need Trevor on their side.

    At last SA we are debating issues not the messengers.

    http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=392166&sn=Detail&pid=71616

  • Maggs Naidu

    John Roberts
    July 17, 2013 at 11:06 am

    Hey JR,

    “Floyd Shivambu would do a better job with the English.”

    Ja, maybe.

    But Juju outdoes them all – that job Juju did to the English journalist is still unparalled.

    “Voetsak”, “Blady agent”, “rubbish is in your what what ” …

  • Maggs Naidu

    oops – unparalleled

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    July 17, 2013 at 9:42 am

    Truth is he never attacks the ANC as a party, – that would be racist and there is nothing worse in the world for a white person and a white liberal in particular to be called such a thing. He attacks individuals like Zuma always on soft issues of “corruption” and “cadre deployment” White Patriarchy or bad laws inherited form Apartheid or White Supremacism. Much like George Zimmerman suddenly morphed into a white almost overnight.

    I’m so sick of these kind of bullshit form these kind of hyper liberal people I feel I want to fucken puke when I think of it.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ OzoneGuy

    “I’m so sick of these kind of bullshit form these kind of hyper liberal people”

    OB is right. That is why I invite him and other hyper-antiliberals to support the ANC’s demand that “Botox” Zille be charged with SEDITION for undermining the valuable work SAPS is doing to keep liberal criminals off the streets!

    Thanks.

  • Gwebecimele

    May be they can try and recruit Block, Memezi and others.

  • Pierre de Vos

    See here for a copy of the reasons given by the court for imposing a 15 year sentence on the King for the various crimes he had committed: http://insidepoliticsdotme.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/dalindyebosentence.pdf

  • Pierre de Vos

    Something overlooked by many: the King is a public represenrtative by virtue of being King and is paid about R1 million a year from public fuinds for being King.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Gwebe

    “May be they can try and recruit Block, Memezi and others”

    Even without His Royal HIGHness, the DA is already the most corrupt party – Billion-Rand “Botox” Madam does not need to poach the few “bad apples” in the ANC. And, as Pierre so rightly points out, ONLY the DA claims to be honest!

    Thanks.

  • Maggs Naidu

    The king’s things: Behind Dalindyebo’s move to the DA

    http://mg.co.za/article/2013-07-16-the-kings-things-behind-dalindyebos-move-to-the-da

  • Lisbeth

    “The controversial king has also not served a day of his 15-year prison sentence because the entire record of the criminal case against him has vanished.”

    http://www.citypress.co.za/news/dalindyebo-reigned-with-terror-and-fear/

    As I understand it, traditional leaders/kings are not democratically elected and therefore not answerable to their subjects. Does anyone know whether such a king can mete out punishments – such as those of which he is accused – with impunity, because that’s how it’s done “traditionally”? Just asking …

  • Lisbeth

    Poor, wretched Oscar Pistorius … tried and found guilty, courtesy of Prof de Vos.

    Remember, you read it here first.

  • Maggs Naidu

    Zoo Keeper
    July 17, 2013 at 10:06 am

    So ZooKy,

    If the “Modimolle Monster” appeals, should the DA welcome into their fold?

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….

    Hands up anyone to whom the answer is not obvious – that, like the overprivileged jetsetting De Vos, the DA has two sets of standards – one bound in a file with white backing and one in a file with black backing.

  • Maggs Naidu

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    July 17, 2013 at 14:06 pm

    Dworky

    So OB is “so sick of these kind of bullshit form these kind of hyper liberal people”

    Who do you think he should complain to?

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….

    Can someoneanyone help?

    I’m looking for the link to the blog where the overprivileged jetsetting De Vos condemns the ANC for not booting King Boomkop out of their party?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….
    July 17, 2013 at 20:21 pm

    I like the dagga king. Even if he is DA. As you know everything is more or less turning to shit.

    So for fuck’s sake – lets at least smoke iT>

    http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=392166&sn=Detail&pid=71616

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Pierre de Vos
    July 17, 2013 at 15:45 pm

    “Something overlooked by many: the King is a public represenrtative by virtue of being King and is paid about R1 million a year from public fuinds for being King.”

    So how much does one get piad for being the pubic represenrtative by virtue of being King of the Constitution from public fuinds ? Enough I assume for two weeks trip to Paris, France now and again. Even when you white male PRIVILEGED WHITE.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Hey. The African Nationalts Criminals is the army as well!

    http://mg.co.za/article/2013-07-17-sandu-condemns-misuse-of-helicopter-in-mapisa-nqakula-tlokwe-visit

    “Sandu national secretary JG Greeff labelled the action as a “poor show of leadership and outright lawlessness”, saying even though the trip was conducted at the instruction of the president, using state resources to deal with “internal party political struggles” is illegal.”

    But “JG Greef” sound like another white male anyway.

    So wtf he knows about democrazy?

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….

    Show me how the King (LOL! – this is a Republic, shithead!)’s crimes differ from Winnie’s?

    Isn’t she still in Parliament? In the ANC?

    Talk about HYPOCRISY?

    How about a Joe Modise on the table?

    How many on the ANCNEC have a clean record?

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Brett, perhaps you ran out of time to read Pierre’s posting. It is not unfair to condemn the DA for signing up relatively mundane royal criminal as an ordinary member, because the DA is the ONLY party that claims to be honest!

    Understand now?

  • Maggs Naidu

    Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….
    July 18, 2013 at 8:01 am

    Hey Brett,

    It’s Mandela’s birthday.

    Let’s celebrate with some, er, string theory?

    I’ll start by stringing some yarn in warps of time and space.

    1. Mandela’s legacy!
    2. WHITE PEOPLE did not steal all the land.
    3. The ANC ended apartheid.
    4. The DA fought apartheid.
    5. Brett is ok upstairs.
    6. Mike’s granny saved Indian people.
    7. EFF know what ECONOMIC FREEDOM means.
    8. GUPTAs did not get approval from Zuma to land at Waterkloof
    9.

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….

    Clearly Maggs has become unstrung. I’ve warned of it….pointed out the signs….

    I’m bored with De Vos’ silliness. Lets debate the aspirant juvenile criminal who got aced by the guy with lumps and cuts on the back of his head in the US?

  • Maggs Naidu

    Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….
    July 18, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Hey Goofy,

    “Lets debate the aspirant juvenile criminal who got aced by the guy with lumps and cuts on the back of his head in the US?”

    This matter?

  • Maggs Naidu
  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Brett/Maggs

    What makes this blog so fascinating is that it is almost wholly UNPREDICTABLE what position each of you (and PdV, for that matter), is going to adopt on the Zimmerman matter; and that wherever you do take, you will produce FRESH never-heard-before arguments in support thereof!

    Thanks, in advance, for a bracing debate about the issues, free of personal slurs and accusations of RACISM and STUPIDITY

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….

    Fassbrander, you’ve been so nice in your last several posts (for you) I’m going to treat you to a little preview of my angle of attack:

    Barry Soetoro and his version of Michael Hulley – Eric Holder?

    They sent in agents provocateur to stir the racial pot.

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….

    Now. Your position? It would not be based on misguided feelings of racial solidarity because of the guy’s surname I HOPE?

    THAT WOULD NOT BE NICE!

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Brett

    In what country do you say Eric Holder was born then?

  • Zoo Keeper

    Brett

    What I find amazing about the Zimmerman case is that the civil rights bunch are up in arms about the “stand your ground” law.

    But Zimmerman was prosecuted on normal self-defence grounds and dispensed with a “stand your ground” defence.

    Something which was never, ever in issue is an issue for the angry crowds.

    The police believed him (those on the scene) and the prosecution couldn’t get him despite a kitchen-sink approach.

    Looks like some folks just want to be offended and won’t let facts get in their way.

    Now he is classified as white by the media despite mixed race ancestry. I say this because Obama is black but is mixed white/black. Why is Obama black and not Zimmerman?

  • Maggs Naidu
  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Maggs

    With respect, I am not interested in seeing fashion-victim Mazibuko singing along with the so-called WHIFFENPOOFS. The GAYISH IMPERIAL tendency of these unwelcome Americans is anathema to the pre-colonial culture of our people!

    Thanks.

  • Maggs Naidu

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    July 18, 2013 at 16:06 pm

    Dworky,

    “I am not interested in seeing fashion-victim Mazibuko singing along with the so-called WHIFFENPOOFS.”

    You lie.

    I know you were waiting patiently to watch that clip.

    Because as we all know, the party ain’t over until, er, that clip is played!

    Not that the party is over yet – in fact with his HIGHness just having joined it’s probably just beginning.

    Do you think that with a few words tweaked this could be the King D’s serenade to the DA general council?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN3ME-rgpws

  • Maggs Naidu – The DA will bring back apartheid! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Hypo-FUCKING-crites!!!

    Mayor Patricia de Lille issued a statement days after confirming that an investigation had been launched and suspension proceedings had begun against three law enforcement officers involved in the incident with Nono. Like Smith, de Lille suggested that the incident, despite how it turned out, was based on balancing Nono’s right to freedom of expression and artistic creativity against the rule of law.

    De Lille, however, failed to acknowledge that no applicable law existed in this instance.

    According to Richard Bosman, City of Cape Town executive director of safety and security, the law enforcement officers were enforcing a Cape Town council policy document from 1993. This policy document, a copy of which Bosman could not produce let alone name without reservations, despite repeated requests, is said to govern the time periods during which busking is allowed in the city centre.

    It is this archaic policy document of dubious legal enforceability and questionable existence that set the suspended law enforcement officers on a collision course with Nono. Bosman also said Nono was fined R500 and charged with “malicious injury to property” while his wife Abigail was fined R1,000 and charged with “disobeying an instruction from a peace officer”, supposedly under the prohibited behaviours section of the Streets, Public Places and the Prevention of Nuisances by-law. This by-law, ironically, specifically recognises that street entertainers like Nono are not noise nuisances.

    http://themodularman.wordpress.com/2013/07/17/busker-by-law-there-is-no-busker-by-law/

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    Maggs Naidu July 18, 2013 at 8:59 am

    9 Naido is not a racist pussy who deserves to get fucked.

    It is coming boet, sooner or later.

  • Maggs Naidu – The DA will bring back apartheid! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Hey Brett,

    WDYSTT?

    Give those Blacks a cool drink!

    Nice WHITE guy, ne.

    Now you must understand that I grew up as an Afrikaner with very strong ideas about what to expect from my fellow black South Africans. “Mercy” was not high up on the list of expectations. My history teachers had stoked the fires of fear and hatred by telling me how Dingane, the Zulu king, had treacherously murdered my ancestor, the Great Trek leader Pieter Retief. (I later learned that, like everything else, there were two sides to that story).

    I desperately tried to flag down cars with white drivers, but most of them did not even want to look in my direction. I guess they must have been distracted by something on the other side of the road. Others stared at me wide-eyed, as if to memorise the scene, in case they read about what happened to me in the papers, and they could boast to their friends:

    “I actually saw the guy! He was standing right there next to his car. I just knew the blacks would get him!”

    Then it happened – my worst nightmare: a truck pulled up in front of my car and two young blacks got out and purposefully walked towards me. What should I do? Make a run for it? Go into a Jackie Chan karate stance? Attack before being attacked?

    Fortunately I did none of these things. Instead I said nervously: “Good evening guys!” and held out my hand in greeting, while quaking in my boots. I swear I could feel my heart beating somewhere near my throat.

    I was confronted with two sets of white teeth shining in the dark, hands outstretched to take mine, and two friendly voices saying in unison. “Good evening! What’s the problem? How can we help you?”

    I explained that I had no idea why my car would suddenly decide to stop at such an awkward place and time. I told them that I needed to get the car to my home, so that I can get to a telephone. The taller one of the two said:

    “OK, No problem, we will tow you, man. Where is your home?”

    I told them that I lived about ten kilometres away and that we would have to negotiate some tight corners, steepish hills and heavy traffic to get there.

    “No problem!” said the tall one, who seemed to be the more outgoing of the two.

    In the course of the next hour I learned that his name was Philemon and that his favourite phrase was’ “No problem!” They were on their way back to Newcastle, having offloaded some cargo in East London. A journey of more than 2000 Km. They must have been exhausted after travelling so far and yet they were willing to spend all this time to help me, a total stranger – and a whitey to boot!

    When we eventually got home, I invited them in for a cold drink and introduced them to Rose, my wife. I thanked them profusely and asked them why they had stopped to help me, a complete stranger, when they still had such a long way to go. As usual Philemon was the spokesman, he said simply: “But we have to help each other in this world!” He sounded surprised that I had to ask the question.

    http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Near-Death-Experiences-20130718

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….

    Silly dwis!

    Back before Pikitup Fukktitup I gave black guys a tow a couple of times with my Ford Ranger.

    Did I ask for a medal?

  • Maggs Naidu – The DA will bring back apartheid! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….
    July 19, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Brett

    “Back before Pikitup Fukktitup I gave black guys a tow a couple of times with my Ford Ranger.”

    Ja, but did they invite you into their homes to introduce you to their wives and give you a cool drink?

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….

    No, and I also did not tow them 10km.

    Hey, who is the funny pom in the youtube video you posted without any kind of comment context background? (Which I took as another sign you’re unravelling at the seams….)

    As that Jon Stewart (brillant deduction – based on reading signs?)

  • Maggs Naidu – The DA will bring back apartheid! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    John Oliver – stands in for Jon Stewart.

    p.s. I forgot to paste the link in the previous post (July 18, 2013 at 9:52 am)

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Maggs, I still say there is nothing odd about writing pieces excoriating the DA for signing up his Royal HIGHness as an ordinary member – even while a certain other party has as its national leader a man who missed the opportunity to be found not guilty on six zillion counts of corruption.

    Why not? Because the DA is the only party that claims to be HONEST!

    Thanks.

  • Maggs Naidu – The DA will bring back apartheid! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    July 19, 2013 at 11:05 am

    Dworky,

    “Because the DA is the only party that claims to be HONEST!”

    Just because the DA Mayor, Aunty Pat, and Executive scary Aryan-looking oke, JP Smith, said that blind busker Goodman Nono violated anti-busking, anti-noise by-laws which by-laws do not exist does not mean that they BLATANTLY LIED or are FUNDAMENTALLY DISHONEST.

    Being Black, poor and trying to make a living in Cape Town is reason enough to beat the guy, break his guitar and fine his wife R1000.

    I say that if he did not want to be poor, he should have joined the struggle.

    If he wants to be relevant he should smoke DAGGA and join the DA!

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Maggs

    Speaking of disrupting musical performance, I read that a group of non-DA supporters chased away a young busker deployed by the IZE. That is despite the fact that there is no clear Wits rule against piano-playing, even if the performer is a ZIONIST! How do you explain that?

    Thanks.

  • Angulus Calx

    I feel very lucky that I don’t have to deal with either the DA or the ANC.

    And the Zimmerman case is boring….totally out of proportion. The average American is scratching their heads in wonderment…

    But back to the DA and the ANC. The DA is the only party that claim to be honest….if I read the comments it is very apparent that the ANC does NOT claim to be the only party that is honest?

    So the only conclusion is that they know (and even claim) to be dishonest?

  • feles mala

    Angulus Calx –

    Do you routinely write such gobbledegook, or is it just because of the heatwave you’re experiencing over there?

  • Maggs Naidu – The DA will bring back apartheid! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    July 19, 2013 at 13:17 pm

    Dworky,

    “That is despite the fact that there is no clear Wits rule against piano-playing, even if the performer is a ZIONIST!”

    Let’s clear up some confusion.

    Human rights are for humans.

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….

    Maggs Naidu – The DA will bring back apartheid! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) says:

    So where does a whiny English person conjure the right from to criticise American freedoms? Hasn’t he heard of the American Revolution? Doesn’t he know his people forfeited that right?

  • Maggs Naidu – The DA will bring back apartheid! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….
    July 19, 2013 at 20:11 pm

    Hey G,

    “So where does a whiny English person conjure the right from to criticise American freedoms? Hasn’t he heard of the American Revolution? Doesn’t he know his people forfeited that right?”

    Well spotted, dude.

    It’s just like WHITE people in criticising the ANC led government, ne!!!!

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….

    Dude, are you contending I – that is, me, Brett – was on the losing side of a revolution?

    (Looks like I’m going to have to pound me some Indian to drive a lesson home about win/win solutions and contests where there is a clear winner/loser….)

  • Maggs Naidu – The DA will bring back apartheid! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….
    July 19, 2013 at 20:43 pm

    Brettus,

    “Dude, are you contending I – that is, me, Brett – was on the losing side of a revolution?”

    Well you lost your right to bear arms, didn’t you?

    p.s. Now that Zuma has housed poor WHITEs, you are now officially a man without a cause. WDYSTT?

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….

    Maggs, more than a million of us did not comply with the FCA.

    The ‘responsible’ gun owners went to court to interdict the lapsing of our licences because the feedback they were getting was that the ANC could have those guns if they could pry them from people’s cold dead hands.

    Molon Labe!

    Since you habe had a fixation on things naval since childhood I’ll give you a little history lesson with a naval theme:

    During the Revolutionary War American captain John Paul Jones’ ship Bonhomme Richard was being pounded by the Royal Navy’s Serapis.
    Serapis’ captain mockingly asked whether the American ship wished to surrender.

    Jones’ reply?

    “I have not yet begun to fight!”

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Brett, nice story. But did you know where American captain John Paul Jones’ ship Bonhomme Richard was actually born? In Marseilles! That’s why could never become the President of the Pennsylvania Society of Fancy Pigeons!

    Thanks.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Maggs, I demand that you apologise unreservedly for posting that clip of the so-called Yale WHIFFENPOOFS serenading Ms Mazibuko. The WHIFFENFOOFS must not come with that GAY/WHITISH tendency – even where we work! They can do it somewhere else! Not here!

    (They are small boys.)

  • Maggs Naidu

    So Dworky.

    Do you think that the Yale WHIFFENPOOFS are the WHITEs who DMwangi wants to impress?

    P.s. Find Lisbeth and ask her to say something about the economy – I’m missing DMwangi’s rambling.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Celinda

    “I was surprised that you’re not more popular because you certainly possess the gift.”

    Thank you. It may surprise you even more that I am quite popular among South Africans who demand TRANSFORMATION. That being said, my call upon Mr Obama to admit he was born in EAST TIMOR has not made me any friends in the White House!

  • Maggs Naidu – The DA will bring back apartheid! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Dworky,

    LOL – you sound really desperate, trying to impress to a cyber ghost!

    Please find Dmwangi for me, I want to ask him about this economic plot to undermine BLACK people where they work!

    When WHITE people were in the majority, Detroit was a bustling, thriving city.

    Now that Black people are in the majority, all they have is UBUNTU.

    DMwangi will be able to explain to us, in rational, unmuddled, soundly reasoned, sensible terms why the ECONOMY is so racist.

    In 1950, Detroit was 82% white. The “white flight” after the 1967 race riots flipped the ratio – it’s now 82% black.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/20/bankrupt-detroit-pins-hopes-creative-hub

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….

    Maggs, please keep your racist comments to yourself.

    What about Botswana?

  • Maggs Naidu – The DA will bring back apartheid! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….
    July 21, 2013 at 16:15 pm

    Hey Brett,

    “Maggs, please keep your racist comments to yourself.”

    I’m still waiting for you to point out one racist comment which I made.

    p.s. Botswana is like heaven – there are no WHITE people there!

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….

    Come now!

    Everyone knows you’re insinuating black people can’t run a city or a country.

  • Maggs Naidu – The DA will bring back apartheid! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….
    July 21, 2013 at 17:02 pm

    Ok Brett,

    “Everyone knows you’re insinuating black people can’t run a city or a country.”

    I admit it.

    It was BLACK people who caused the global economic meltdown.

    It was BLACK people who caused the major western banks to get to below bust.

    It was BLACK people shifted manufacturing from the developed nations to the East.

    It was BLACK people who caused the motor manufacturers to move out of Detroit.

  • Maggs Naidu – The DA will bring back apartheid! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
  • Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….

    Maggs, you cannot prove one of these ABSURD claims.

    I refuse to entertain your prejudice one second longer.

    Good BYE!

  • Maggs Naidu – The DA will bring back apartheid! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….
    July 22, 2013 at 7:14 am

    Brett,

    “Good BYE!”

    Suicide should be a last resort.

    But since you insist, do let us know how it went!

  • Maggs Naidu – The DA will bring back apartheid! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Hey Brett,

    These are undeniably not BLACK people!

    WDYSTT?

    Martijn was formed in 1982 and has been in a legal battle with the Netherlands’ public prosecution service since 2010.

    In April, the Leeuwarden Appeals Court overturned the decision to ban the association because there was no evidence to prove it posed “a threat of disrupting society”.

    In a recent interview, the association’s leader, Marthijn Uittenbogaard, said: “Almost everyone has paedophilic feelings in them.

    “Some have more than others.”

    Uittenbogaard believes children over 12 years old are wise enough to choose to have sexual intercourse with adults.

    The association once had 650 members but, during its legal battle, it dwindled to 60.

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/07/22/sa-petition-against-abusers

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….

    Did someone hear a mouse fart?

  • Maggs Naidu – The DA will bring back apartheid! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – The ANC are backward! Completely out of place in the 21st Century….
    July 22, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Come on Brett,

    Admit it that WHITE people are crazy!!!!!!!

    Like Looney Tunes on steroids.

    Like One flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest but in shoals.

  • Derrick Ntinezo

    Politic are like being in church listening to the pastor telling You about Right and Wrong but forgetting that you are the Decider

  • Maggs Naidu – The DA will bring back apartheid! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    So now the DA draws moral/political comfort in signing up King Dalindyebo as a member from Abraham Lincoln’s fight to end slavery in the US!

    I mean really – WTF are the DA okes smoking. Ok don’t answer that we know the King comes with bags full of, er, goodies.

    Abraham Lincoln, the 16th President of the United States, is widely regarded as a leader whose unshakeable integrity “broke the mould” of the conventional politician. His greatest contribution to humankind was the abolition of slavery in the United States. When his advisers warned him that this decision could cost him the Presidency, he famously replied: “I would rather be right than be President.”

    http://www.da.org.za/newsroom.htm?action=view-news-item&id=12599

  • Dylan Dylan

    Silly move from the DA considering that they will rebuke his membership if his appeal fails. The king will not like that, even though he agreed to it, he will turn on the DA and be equally as scathing as he was toward the ANC. The hand that essentially feeds him.

  • Maggs Naidu – Hypocrisy fit for the DA! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    NORTHERN Cape Premier Sylvia Lucas said on Wednesday in an interview that the Democratic Alliance (DA) must lead by example and allow the African National Congress (ANC) to govern in the Northern Cape’s Nama Khoi municipality, where an unexpected by-election victory in May swung power in favour of the ANC.

    The DA has gone to court to block the ANC from tabling a motion of no confidence in its mayor before replacing him.

    http://www.bdlive.co.za/national/politics/2013/08/01/da-should-not-block-anc-victory-in-nama-khoi-says-northern-cape-premier