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		<title>By: Ishmael Malale</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/iec-in-contempt-of-court/#comment-12430</link>
		<dc:creator>Ishmael Malale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big Sslipper, I truly never meant to hurt you. I must confess I learnt the way of antagonistic polemics here. There is a potporri of hurtful remarks asserted here. 

Winnie has served her sentence and cannot be regarded as a person who cannot participate in affairs of society. The Prisons are now referred to as correctional centres cultivating new persons for re-integration into the mainstream of society. Our law even recognises that is why section 47 allows persons to have a five years cool off period. There is not any total moralistic banishment .

On the question of legality of nomination of Winnie, the IEC or CC will swiftly resolve this little impasse in due course. We do not have to go to war on this! 

The difficulty of this debate is that we are not willing to agree that we are poles apart as regards our understanding and content of the concept of morality. A concept devoid of monolithic content !

You seem to have the strong and absolute morality solution. Converse, I have my own dynamic of morality.  I hold too deeply that all south africans have a right to vote regardless of their views about politics and their country. Wherever they within the resource capacity of our developing State. 

Even the murders of Chris Hani, our liberator(to those who subscribe to the philosophy and programme of the ANC) will certainly vote. 

The judgment of the Constitutional Court was justified! Expatriates cannot be treated any less  South African. We have all colours out there; different political shades abound. 

We should be torchbearers of nation building and not peddlers of racial prejudices which will perpetuate division and mistrust in our nascent democracy.  

I am willing to serve under an expatriate President or government !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Sslipper, I truly never meant to hurt you. I must confess I learnt the way of antagonistic polemics here. There is a potporri of hurtful remarks asserted here. </p>
<p>Winnie has served her sentence and cannot be regarded as a person who cannot participate in affairs of society. The Prisons are now referred to as correctional centres cultivating new persons for re-integration into the mainstream of society. Our law even recognises that is why section 47 allows persons to have a five years cool off period. There is not any total moralistic banishment .</p>
<p>On the question of legality of nomination of Winnie, the IEC or CC will swiftly resolve this little impasse in due course. We do not have to go to war on this! </p>
<p>The difficulty of this debate is that we are not willing to agree that we are poles apart as regards our understanding and content of the concept of morality. A concept devoid of monolithic content !</p>
<p>You seem to have the strong and absolute morality solution. Converse, I have my own dynamic of morality.  I hold too deeply that all south africans have a right to vote regardless of their views about politics and their country. Wherever they within the resource capacity of our developing State. </p>
<p>Even the murders of Chris Hani, our liberator(to those who subscribe to the philosophy and programme of the ANC) will certainly vote. </p>
<p>The judgment of the Constitutional Court was justified! Expatriates cannot be treated any less  South African. We have all colours out there; different political shades abound. </p>
<p>We should be torchbearers of nation building and not peddlers of racial prejudices which will perpetuate division and mistrust in our nascent democracy.  </p>
<p>I am willing to serve under an expatriate President or government !</p>
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		<title>By: The Big Slipper</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/iec-in-contempt-of-court/#comment-12428</link>
		<dc:creator>The Big Slipper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ishmael, you give  me too much credit - the Apartheid system was never mine - I did not design, implement or support it, for I was only born in the 1980s. When the first black child was allowed into my school in 1991, I was happy to befriend him - I didn&#039;t know skin colour was such an issue in SA, because I was only 8 years old.

My imagination does suppurate, but when it comes to the criminal conduct of the ANC, there is no imagination needed - in fact, the ANC is so accepting of crime, that they have nominated sterling examples of lawful citizens such as Winnie Madikizela-Mandale to sit in Parliment, in spite of the fact that she is currently serving a suspended sentence. 

As a matter of interest, my brother was shot and murdered in 1983 at 18 years old as he skipped the country - he was running because he refused to fight in the bush wars against black South Africans. It may not count in your books, but my father would tell you otherwise. Chris Hani, again, was not killed for me - please refrain from trying to project things on to people like that, it is hurtful and unnecessary.

The issue here is that we are allowed to vote, and that we are considered South Africans - true-blooded patriots. This is justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ishmael, you give  me too much credit &#8211; the Apartheid system was never mine &#8211; I did not design, implement or support it, for I was only born in the 1980s. When the first black child was allowed into my school in 1991, I was happy to befriend him &#8211; I didn&#8217;t know skin colour was such an issue in SA, because I was only 8 years old.</p>
<p>My imagination does suppurate, but when it comes to the criminal conduct of the ANC, there is no imagination needed &#8211; in fact, the ANC is so accepting of crime, that they have nominated sterling examples of lawful citizens such as Winnie Madikizela-Mandale to sit in Parliment, in spite of the fact that she is currently serving a suspended sentence. </p>
<p>As a matter of interest, my brother was shot and murdered in 1983 at 18 years old as he skipped the country &#8211; he was running because he refused to fight in the bush wars against black South Africans. It may not count in your books, but my father would tell you otherwise. Chris Hani, again, was not killed for me &#8211; please refrain from trying to project things on to people like that, it is hurtful and unnecessary.</p>
<p>The issue here is that we are allowed to vote, and that we are considered South Africans &#8211; true-blooded patriots. This is justice.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre De Vos</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/iec-in-contempt-of-court/#comment-12402</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierre De Vos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah! I am delighted that the IEC is honoring its commitment to deliver a free and fair election and that it has changed the form. Pity it had to be nudged and nagged to do the right thing. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah! I am delighted that the IEC is honoring its commitment to deliver a free and fair election and that it has changed the form. Pity it had to be nudged and nagged to do the right thing. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/iec-in-contempt-of-court/#comment-12396</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done Pierre!</description>
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		<title>By: Ishmael Malale</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/iec-in-contempt-of-court/#comment-12391</link>
		<dc:creator>Ishmael Malale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we celebrated universal adult suffrage long ago to be excited now! 15 years have erased so much of the apartheid era. even if FF+ wins with expatriate vote come the 22 feb 2009, they cannot take us back to the fascist regime  !!!

Let us go vote! I can&#039;t wait !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we celebrated universal adult suffrage long ago to be excited now! 15 years have erased so much of the apartheid era. even if FF+ wins with expatriate vote come the 22 feb 2009, they cannot take us back to the fascist regime  !!!</p>
<p>Let us go vote! I can&#8217;t wait !</p>
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		<title>By: Jeeves</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/iec-in-contempt-of-court/#comment-12390</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeeves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The VEC10 form has been updated by the IEC (http://www.elections.org.za/Documents/Voting2009/VEC10%20absence%20from%20the%20Republic1.pdf)

Any chance of getting a copy put on this website as a documents of interest? (On numerous occasions in the past, I’ve had problems with the IEC website- broken links, pages not loading, etc.)

Happy voting to all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The VEC10 form has been updated by the IEC (<a href="http://www.elections.org.za/Documents/Voting2009/VEC10%20absence%20from%20the%20Republic1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.elections.org.za/Documents/Voting2009/VEC10%20absence%20from%20the%20Republic1.pdf</a>)</p>
<p>Any chance of getting a copy put on this website as a documents of interest? (On numerous occasions in the past, I’ve had problems with the IEC website- broken links, pages not loading, etc.)</p>
<p>Happy voting to all!</p>
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		<title>By: Thabo</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/iec-in-contempt-of-court/#comment-12381</link>
		<dc:creator>Thabo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 07:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After this election Parliament may want to consider allowing postal voting in future elections. Although not without its problems, it would allow many more South Africans to participate in deciding their futures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After this election Parliament may want to consider allowing postal voting in future elections. Although not without its problems, it would allow many more South Africans to participate in deciding their futures.</p>
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		<title>By: Ishmael Malale</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/iec-in-contempt-of-court/#comment-12375</link>
		<dc:creator>Ishmael Malale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Dumisani. Our society is so complex! Things will unravel as we mark our space in history. This blog is interesting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Dumisani. Our society is so complex! Things will unravel as we mark our space in history. This blog is interesting!</p>
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		<title>By: Dumisani Mkhize</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/iec-in-contempt-of-court/#comment-12374</link>
		<dc:creator>Dumisani Mkhize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as no one tries to pull wool over my eyes, you have yourself a deal, Malale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as no one tries to pull wool over my eyes, you have yourself a deal, Malale.</p>
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		<title>By: Ishmael Malale</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/iec-in-contempt-of-court/#comment-12373</link>
		<dc:creator>Ishmael Malale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mkhize, the debate deserved to be buried in the event thecharges are dropped. 

Harping on the matter will be your mainstay. We truly will not entertain future stale news when the curtains close on this epic political trial!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mkhize, the debate deserved to be buried in the event thecharges are dropped. </p>
<p>Harping on the matter will be your mainstay. We truly will not entertain future stale news when the curtains close on this epic political trial!</p>
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