Comments on: Its all a matter of credibility

By: Maggs Naidu - maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

Maggs Naidu - maggsnaidu@hotmail.com — Tue, 01 Jun 2010 12:47:35 +0000

mayimele says:
October 20, 2009 at 9:46 am

Hey Mayimele,

The Health Professions Council of SA seems to have learned from the JSC.

“A medical doctor who has been convicted of professional misconduct after admitting to having sex with one of his patients escaped with a suspended sentence yesterday …

” … his victim had testified that he had sex with her without her consent and insinuated that she had been drugged shortly before the incident happened…

“The committee last month described Silimela’s conduct as “disgraceful” before handing down its guilty verdict, saying he had put the medical profession into disrepute.”

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20100601044730720C431775

By: mayimele

mayimele — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:46:27 +0000

@maggs

It never rains but pours in the animal farm we call south africa under the new admin. We are likely to see everything that was defined wrong, illegal and undemocratic including convicts under mbeki and mandela being re-defined right, legal and democratic under the new regime. We have already seen convicted criminals turned heroes (Yenget et al) and others (like Shabir) released substantially unprocedurally whose cleansing process due to be completed he and others like him may soon be (re-) hired in high positions in government.

By: george

george — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:36:07 +0000

@Dwork
There you go again Dwork… living in the past, (when convenient). You know as well as I do that a) the concept of a philosophic ‘universalism’ is still hotly debated, and b) that the ‘Black Athena’ “revelations” are not uncontested. That particular THEORY, with Egypt as birthplace of Western philosophy et al, has been co-opted and abused by at least two different sets of ‘thinkers’… in service of at least two self-serving agenda’s:
— The Western thinkers who ‘honour’ Egypt in that manner, in an attempt at undermining the relevance of contemporary African philosophy, and…
— The African thinkers who are gratified by this apparent recognition of African primacy. and therefore agitate for the acceptance of one ‘universal’ philosophy, (a stance which then, ipso facto, implies that African philosophy has to come to terms with some, unspecified, backlog in its own worldview — and / or implies that African philosophy has no raison d’ être ).
The problematic definition of a truly inclusive African worldview allows only a very tenuous appropriation of the ‘Egyptian-connection’. This fragility is of course opportunistically exploited whenever the ‘universalists’ feel the need to periodically ‘re-examine’ the basis of their own supposed ‘revelations’.
However — if you were to explore Ubu-ntu, as philosophy, you will find that some of those inherent ontological, epistemological and metaphysical concepts might very well have given rise to Platonic essences as constructs.
Either way, the CONTEMPORARY scaffolding of Western philosophy bears only occasional resemblance to the beauty contained within the field of African philosophy — as it is,(for example), elucidated within Ubu-ntu. The speculation regarding an ‘Egyptian-connection’ is largely irrelevant. The areas of divergence, TODAY — between the supposed ‘holy grail’ of Western philosophy and the roots of African philosophy — are substantial. Does one ascribe this contemporary phenomenon of apparent incompatibility to a Western philosophy which developed AWAY from its African roots… or was there no ‘Egyptian-connection’ in the first place?? That, as far as I’m concerned, is a futile line of inquiry to be pursued only by those obsessed with cultural supremacy. African philosophy is sufficiently powerful to not have to seek affirmation in any form of ‘Egyptian connection’.
Unfortunately you sabotage your scholarly walk down memory-lane with the reference to Archbishop Tutu; this tactic — of linking African credentials to a pre-Socratic age, that will always remain conditional, safely qualified and indeterminable… and then transporting us to the present, to inappropriately suggest that Archbishop Tutu would be the ONLY logical alternative source of wisdom in African thinking — is merely facetious. Try reading Mogobe Ramose for starters. Perhaps that would assist in finding your way back from Greece.

@ Leigh
Sorry Leigh, (not); but “nice”, “earnest”, “elegant”, “respectful”, “moderate tones”, “courteous” and “decent example” are only the latest examples of the fabric of the facade which rings the ideological apparatus that has been so successfully used in the ostensible ‘maintaining of standards’ — whilst deliberately ensuring that the discourse remains firmly rooted in YOUR corner of the ring. Why do you think that Julius Malema is so popular?? He is – quite understandably – exploiting the festering resentment brought on by having to witness the endless ‘wringing-of-hands’ within a comfortably smug establishment.

By: Harold Ferwood

Harold Ferwood — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:47:06 +0000

Maggs Naidu says:
October 19, 2009 at 12:50 pm

Its about time he did. This ambiguity is causing many stomaches to churn. The case against him was a travesty to say the least. And we as South Africans will soon get over it. Look how quickly we forgave Boesak and Hansie.

“A man has no greater love, than to lay down his life for a friend”

By: Maggs Naidu

Maggs Naidu — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:50:48 +0000

mayimele says:
October 19, 2009 at 11:59 am

Adv Mokotedi Mpse in an affidavit is opposing DA’s challenge against his decision to drop charges against JZ in favour of Zuma’s personal rights. This is absurd.
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And it gets better.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/news/article157186.ece

By: mayimele

mayimele — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:59:55 +0000

Adv Mokotedi Mpse in an affidavit is opposing DA’s challenge against his decision to drop charges against JZ in favour of Zuma’s personal rights. This is absurd.

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20091019044047414C225969

By: John

John — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:39:08 +0000

Chris and Pierre – FYI there seems to be a problem with the site. When I got to the botton of the comments where the ‘Leave a comment’ section is, Chris’ name and email were written in – I assume many people wouldn’t want their email address’s on show.

By: Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:04:43 +0000

@ George

Thank you for your fascinating post.

Re Plato, I recommend Martin Bernal’s ‘Black Athena,’ which reveals that Africans (Egyptians), were the originators of all Greek Philosophy, Art, Science, etc.

Oddly, neither the Ancient Egyptians nor Plato mention Ubu-ntu. Perhaps that was Archbishop Tutu’s more recent contribution.

By: Maggs Naidu

Maggs Naidu — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:58:24 +0000

Maggs Naidu says:
October 19, 2009 at 8:53 am

Oops – sorry Dworky – that was directed at you.

By: Leigh

Leigh — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:53:48 +0000

Mikhail, so nice of you to make people aware of MAS. It means so much that you would do despite the vast ideological differences between us.

The Mutual Admiration Society (or MAS) actually exists wherever people take the time to earnestly consider counterintuitive or unpopular perspectives. The Professor ought to be very proud of this blog insofar as the MAS often finds a voice here through the elegant and thoughtful postings by valued bloggers such as Sne, Samantha, Sarah, Kameraad, Mayimele, Nkululeko, Mzo, Mpho, Sirjay, Michael to name only a very small few.

A society in which at least some people appreciate the value of tolerance and respectful interaction is one which I think could stand an attractive chance at prospering.

You and I rarely agree. And yet we converse fairly regularly, in moderate tones and with fairly courteous words. And in so doing, we set a decent enough example