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	<title>Comments on: Kill the beasts &#8211; but only if they are not cute</title>
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	<description>This blog deals with political and social issues in South Africa, mostly from the perspective of Constitutional Law. Written by Pierre de Vos</description>
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		<title>By: Taking the bull by its horns of a dilemma &#171; Groundwork</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/kill-the-beasts-but-only-if-they-are-not-cute/#comment-26878</link>
		<dc:creator>Taking the bull by its horns of a dilemma &#171; Groundwork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] An eyewitness account of the 2007 ritual by blogger Wizzy. Pierre de Vos at Constitutionally Speaking also addresses the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/kill-the-beasts-but-only-if-they-are-not-cute/#comment-22961</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Skhokho writes

&quot;Now the court has also agreed with us. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!&quot;

Skhokho is right.

The neo-imperialist white-liberal racist bull-worshippers have been exposed for what they are: constitutional monkeys and colonial sentimentalists.

White racists must not forrget: Zulus have engaged in this tradition for more than 17 000 years now.

And where are the liberals when panicked bulls are harassed on the cobblestone streets of Pamplona every year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skhokho writes</p>
<p>&#8220;Now the court has also agreed with us. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!&#8221;</p>
<p>Skhokho is right.</p>
<p>The neo-imperialist white-liberal racist bull-worshippers have been exposed for what they are: constitutional monkeys and colonial sentimentalists.</p>
<p>White racists must not forrget: Zulus have engaged in this tradition for more than 17 000 years now.</p>
<p>And where are the liberals when panicked bulls are harassed on the cobblestone streets of Pamplona every year?</p>
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		<title>By: Skhokho Radebe</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/kill-the-beasts-but-only-if-they-are-not-cute/#comment-22947</link>
		<dc:creator>Skhokho Radebe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sne, me too, me too. i will keep on checking www.saflii.org.za for it.I will also save it for my own record and for use in the future. All that wasted money on a bigggggggg legal team, for what? hhayi these people have money to waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sne, me too, me too. i will keep on checking <a href="http://www.saflii.org.za" rel="nofollow">http://www.saflii.org.za</a> for it.I will also save it for my own record and for use in the future. All that wasted money on a bigggggggg legal team, for what? hhayi these people have money to waste.</p>
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		<title>By: Sine</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/kill-the-beasts-but-only-if-they-are-not-cute/#comment-22945</link>
		<dc:creator>Sine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Skhokho Radebe

I cant wait to read the relevant judgment...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Skhokho Radebe</p>
<p>I cant wait to read the relevant judgment&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Skhokho Radebe</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/kill-the-beasts-but-only-if-they-are-not-cute/#comment-22943</link>
		<dc:creator>Skhokho Radebe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 10:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish to say thanks for attacking me and others who defended the ritual of ukweshwama. Now the court has also agreed with us. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! I guess we cant all understand the complexies of Constitutional law and the Constitution or were you disagreeing for the same of disagrreing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish to say thanks for attacking me and others who defended the ritual of ukweshwama. Now the court has also agreed with us. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! I guess we cant all understand the complexies of Constitutional law and the Constitution or were you disagreeing for the same of disagrreing?</p>
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		<title>By: Sine</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/kill-the-beasts-but-only-if-they-are-not-cute/#comment-22758</link>
		<dc:creator>Sine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 05:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof. et al

I refer to my previous post (Sne @ December 1, 2009 at 8:52 am).

I withdraw my support of the Ukweshwema ritual. We, Xhosa do have a ritual which is designed to achieve a similar purpose but we do it by not killing the bull with our bare hands but by slaughtering it in a less cruel manner because we simply slit its throat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof. et al</p>
<p>I refer to my previous post (Sne @ December 1, 2009 at 8:52 am).</p>
<p>I withdraw my support of the Ukweshwema ritual. We, Xhosa do have a ritual which is designed to achieve a similar purpose but we do it by not killing the bull with our bare hands but by slaughtering it in a less cruel manner because we simply slit its throat.</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/kill-the-beasts-but-only-if-they-are-not-cute/#comment-22686</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof De Vos, i totally disagree with you 

it is about the human (and your ) unquestioning belief that everything not human is &#039;other&#039; , you cannot consider the concept of &#039;equal consideration&#039;  for all living sentient beings. This application questions not only this cultural practice, but all cultural practices, western included , every  convenient act , non-act of the human superiority complex.
Just because it is a Zulu cultural act being questioned (this time) does not make those doing the questioning snooty or racist. You should attack the argument , not the arguer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof De Vos, i totally disagree with you </p>
<p>it is about the human (and your ) unquestioning belief that everything not human is &#8216;other&#8217; , you cannot consider the concept of &#8216;equal consideration&#8217;  for all living sentient beings. This application questions not only this cultural practice, but all cultural practices, western included , every  convenient act , non-act of the human superiority complex.<br />
Just because it is a Zulu cultural act being questioned (this time) does not make those doing the questioning snooty or racist. You should attack the argument , not the arguer.</p>
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		<title>By: Sne</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/kill-the-beasts-but-only-if-they-are-not-cute/#comment-22640</link>
		<dc:creator>Sne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Prof.

Needless to say, I concur with Mzo and Skhokho Radebe.

Mayimele, I like your compromise.

It is interesting how less people know about cultural practices that they take issue with. A good example is this cultural practice called Ukushwema (Zulu). Xhosas practise it as well.

PS: I think the application to court is &quot;dead in the water&quot;. (Quoting Prof. on the Hlophe application about the Concourt judges having breached his Constitutional rights by releasing the statement prematurely)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Prof.</p>
<p>Needless to say, I concur with Mzo and Skhokho Radebe.</p>
<p>Mayimele, I like your compromise.</p>
<p>It is interesting how less people know about cultural practices that they take issue with. A good example is this cultural practice called Ukushwema (Zulu). Xhosas practise it as well.</p>
<p>PS: I think the application to court is &#8220;dead in the water&#8221;. (Quoting Prof. on the Hlophe application about the Concourt judges having breached his Constitutional rights by releasing the statement prematurely)</p>
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		<title>By: Maggs Naidu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggs Naidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 11:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder says:
November 27, 2009 at 13:04 pm

&quot;and had my member tied in a double knot&quot;. 

:)

Liar!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder says:<br />
November 27, 2009 at 13:04 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;and had my member tied in a double knot&#8221;. </p>
<p> <img src='http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Liar!</p>
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		<title>By: Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 11:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a rookie at training camp in Quatro, I recall being wrestled to the ground by six strong young cadres -- and had my member tied in a double knot.  This was just because I complained about the standard of ideological training we were receiving.

Although humiliating, and causing great inconvenience, I accepted the incident as part of the &quot;culture&quot; of Camp Quatro at the time.  And I can tell you this -- no white liberal do-gooders raised their voices on my behalf!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a rookie at training camp in Quatro, I recall being wrestled to the ground by six strong young cadres &#8212; and had my member tied in a double knot.  This was just because I complained about the standard of ideological training we were receiving.</p>
<p>Although humiliating, and causing great inconvenience, I accepted the incident as part of the &#8220;culture&#8221; of Camp Quatro at the time.  And I can tell you this &#8212; no white liberal do-gooders raised their voices on my behalf!</p>
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