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		<title>By: Constitutionally Speaking &#187; COSATU can do better</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/madness-descends-on-the-western-cape/#comment-14396</link>
		<dc:creator>Constitutionally Speaking &#187; COSATU can do better</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 07:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cosatu pulled a cheap - but ultimately doomed - stunt by launching an ill-advised equality court application to challenge the composition of the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Friend</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/madness-descends-on-the-western-cape/#comment-14393</link>
		<dc:creator>Friend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 06:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I&#039;m talking about, Nkululeko, that&#039;s what I&#039;m talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m talking about, Nkululeko, that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: nkululeko</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/madness-descends-on-the-western-cape/#comment-14390</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 06:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, you people can be interesting... i had honestly hoped that this had been concluded but the ANC bone in some of you can&#039;t resist blowing hot air...

If all the people who she would have considered are not available then these are the best candidates, why must anyone qualify their sentence.

The ANC has not had a female LEADER (President of the party) in its entire existence. It was not a question or an opinion, its a fact. It also related ONLY to the President of the ANC and not other top posts. I doubt that Helen got her position as an AA candidate, I don&#039;t know if the same can be said of some of the ANC ineffectual female leaders. Stop complaining about something which is irrelevent. Let the MECs lead and if, and when, they falter you can launch substantive and meaningful criticism. Or would you prefer to chose the WC&#039;s MECs for the Premier and then ridicule her because they&#039;re as useless as the rest of the country?

On the matter of one state. We have both federal and unitary elements. Its best for a country so diverse as this to have both e unified approach to problems and have the finer details worked out for each province. This has been the case for ages. certain provinces have certain Health policies, KZN started the &quot;Masifundisane&quot; project before the national equivalent. What is important is that the country sets goals and works towards them. If provinces employ different stratergies to do this then it stands to reason that the nation would do well to borrow from the provincial stratergy. Let the Lady govern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, you people can be interesting&#8230; i had honestly hoped that this had been concluded but the ANC bone in some of you can&#8217;t resist blowing hot air&#8230;</p>
<p>If all the people who she would have considered are not available then these are the best candidates, why must anyone qualify their sentence.</p>
<p>The ANC has not had a female LEADER (President of the party) in its entire existence. It was not a question or an opinion, its a fact. It also related ONLY to the President of the ANC and not other top posts. I doubt that Helen got her position as an AA candidate, I don&#8217;t know if the same can be said of some of the ANC ineffectual female leaders. Stop complaining about something which is irrelevent. Let the MECs lead and if, and when, they falter you can launch substantive and meaningful criticism. Or would you prefer to chose the WC&#8217;s MECs for the Premier and then ridicule her because they&#8217;re as useless as the rest of the country?</p>
<p>On the matter of one state. We have both federal and unitary elements. Its best for a country so diverse as this to have both e unified approach to problems and have the finer details worked out for each province. This has been the case for ages. certain provinces have certain Health policies, KZN started the &#8220;Masifundisane&#8221; project before the national equivalent. What is important is that the country sets goals and works towards them. If provinces employ different stratergies to do this then it stands to reason that the nation would do well to borrow from the provincial stratergy. Let the Lady govern.</p>
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		<title>By: Friend</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/madness-descends-on-the-western-cape/#comment-14376</link>
		<dc:creator>Friend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 13:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people who are benefitting from the corruption is clearly anticipating how an effective government will
mean a loss in income?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people who are benefitting from the corruption is clearly anticipating how an effective government will<br />
mean a loss in income?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Mcdaniel</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/madness-descends-on-the-western-cape/#comment-14374</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Mcdaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 12:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mpho // May 18, 2009 at 2:13 pm 

nice try but pull ur head out....firstly im not DA but i am going to defend her because of the racist attacks displayed by the ANC its actually disgusting.

DID she not say given the resources that she had to choice from she choose the best from what she had given the fact that all the females wanted to be in parliment??? honestly do you guys read upside down?

and secondly whats wrong with white males? I find that highly racist and highly sexist that white males arnt just as competant.

You and your ANC are being racist thats the bottom line. 

if you find her appointments insulting i find the ANC insulting for not employing more white people in there cabinet.

The fact is a white woman is going to show the ANC how to govern and care for the poor......that im afraid is what scares the ANC cos if you cant look after your own people who will?? yip a white woman and a colored woman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mpho // May 18, 2009 at 2:13 pm </p>
<p>nice try but pull ur head out&#8230;.firstly im not DA but i am going to defend her because of the racist attacks displayed by the ANC its actually disgusting.</p>
<p>DID she not say given the resources that she had to choice from she choose the best from what she had given the fact that all the females wanted to be in parliment??? honestly do you guys read upside down?</p>
<p>and secondly whats wrong with white males? I find that highly racist and highly sexist that white males arnt just as competant.</p>
<p>You and your ANC are being racist thats the bottom line. </p>
<p>if you find her appointments insulting i find the ANC insulting for not employing more white people in there cabinet.</p>
<p>The fact is a white woman is going to show the ANC how to govern and care for the poor&#8230;&#8230;that im afraid is what scares the ANC cos if you cant look after your own people who will?? yip a white woman and a colored woman</p>
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		<title>By: Mpho</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/madness-descends-on-the-western-cape/#comment-14372</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 12:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris Mcdaniel // May 18, 2009 at 1:37 pm 

So you claim now the Executive was not the best people for the job based solely on merit, but was actually all she could come up with because everyone else was turning down the positions?  

I wish you and Zille would make up your mind.  

For the record, I think her appointments are insulting (wasn&#039;t the ID representative the male member of the Provincial Legislature???) and her letter riddled with nonsense.  The ANC&#039;s las two Deputy Presidents were women, yet Zille thinks that her being the AA candidate of an opposition party that had 12% of the national vote at the time means that the DA are more advanced?  Give me a break!  

And for whoever was complaining about Zuma&#039;s response Zuma didn&#039;t make any response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Mcdaniel // May 18, 2009 at 1:37 pm </p>
<p>So you claim now the Executive was not the best people for the job based solely on merit, but was actually all she could come up with because everyone else was turning down the positions?  </p>
<p>I wish you and Zille would make up your mind.  </p>
<p>For the record, I think her appointments are insulting (wasn&#8217;t the ID representative the male member of the Provincial Legislature???) and her letter riddled with nonsense.  The ANC&#8217;s las two Deputy Presidents were women, yet Zille thinks that her being the AA candidate of an opposition party that had 12% of the national vote at the time means that the DA are more advanced?  Give me a break!  </p>
<p>And for whoever was complaining about Zuma&#8217;s response Zuma didn&#8217;t make any response.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Mcdaniel</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/madness-descends-on-the-western-cape/#comment-14369</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Mcdaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 11:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here Ismael

Lets look at Zille&#039;s party

&quot;Let’s first start with the women. There are five women in the 22-person caucus of the DA in the province. One of them is the premier, one of them is the chief whip, and three are committee chairs. All of those women decided on their own that they would prefer a placing in the provincial parliament. Most other senior women in the DA chose to go into the national parliament. We do not do deployment in the DA. We allow people choice.&quot;


so wow it would appear that there is a high number of of female from DA  which are representing in parliament.

and incase you missed it the ID and DA are in bed together and actually run the government in the WP jointly that = to 2 party leaders who are .....????? yes female and the ANC accuses them of sexism? if anything you can accuse the party of lesbianism</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here Ismael</p>
<p>Lets look at Zille&#8217;s party</p>
<p>&#8220;Let’s first start with the women. There are five women in the 22-person caucus of the DA in the province. One of them is the premier, one of them is the chief whip, and three are committee chairs. All of those women decided on their own that they would prefer a placing in the provincial parliament. Most other senior women in the DA chose to go into the national parliament. We do not do deployment in the DA. We allow people choice.&#8221;</p>
<p>so wow it would appear that there is a high number of of female from DA  which are representing in parliament.</p>
<p>and incase you missed it the ID and DA are in bed together and actually run the government in the WP jointly that = to 2 party leaders who are &#8230;..????? yes female and the ANC accuses them of sexism? if anything you can accuse the party of lesbianism</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Mcdaniel</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/madness-descends-on-the-western-cape/#comment-14368</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Mcdaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 11:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ishmael Malale // May 18, 2009 at 12:25 pm 

&quot;I personally do not subscribe to her sterile and negative derogatory ballistics when her task was to persuasively justify her decision&quot;

I dnt see those 51% colored people in the WP complaining and calling her a racist now do you? or threatening to go on strike?

&quot;totally male and almost lilly white&quot;
yes and the ANC is charcol black?? 

&quot;She will not survive if she embarks on a course to defy the developmental path taken by the entire country. &quot;

yes and the ANC wont survive if they embark on a course of racism to discredit another party, that defys the developmental path taken by the entire country.

focus!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ishmael Malale // May 18, 2009 at 12:25 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;I personally do not subscribe to her sterile and negative derogatory ballistics when her task was to persuasively justify her decision&#8221;</p>
<p>I dnt see those 51% colored people in the WP complaining and calling her a racist now do you? or threatening to go on strike?</p>
<p>&#8220;totally male and almost lilly white&#8221;<br />
yes and the ANC is charcol black?? </p>
<p>&#8220;She will not survive if she embarks on a course to defy the developmental path taken by the entire country. &#8221;</p>
<p>yes and the ANC wont survive if they embark on a course of racism to discredit another party, that defys the developmental path taken by the entire country.</p>
<p>focus!</p>
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		<title>By: Ishmael Malale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ishmael Malale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 10:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mareanne Thamm has expressed very valuable points which will hopefully guide future political critical cricisism. We cannot have seperate development for Western Cape. South Africa is a unitary and indivisible secular state with superfluous neo-federalistic elements. She will not survive if she embarks on a course to defy the developmental path taken by the entire country. 

Zille is perfectly entitled to choose her cabinet but she has reversed the general struggles of women to roll back the frontiers of societal patriarchal hegemony. She undermines the expertise and potential of female members of the DA. 

Coloureds make up 51% of the provincial population yet the cabinet is totally male and almost lilly white. This is a collosal indicment on her political party. She will live to regret this. 

I personally do not subscribe to her sterile and negative derogatory  ballistics when her task was to persuasively justify her decision. She has subliminal disregard of the social and political status of women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mareanne Thamm has expressed very valuable points which will hopefully guide future political critical cricisism. We cannot have seperate development for Western Cape. South Africa is a unitary and indivisible secular state with superfluous neo-federalistic elements. She will not survive if she embarks on a course to defy the developmental path taken by the entire country. </p>
<p>Zille is perfectly entitled to choose her cabinet but she has reversed the general struggles of women to roll back the frontiers of societal patriarchal hegemony. She undermines the expertise and potential of female members of the DA. </p>
<p>Coloureds make up 51% of the provincial population yet the cabinet is totally male and almost lilly white. This is a collosal indicment on her political party. She will live to regret this. </p>
<p>I personally do not subscribe to her sterile and negative derogatory  ballistics when her task was to persuasively justify her decision. She has subliminal disregard of the social and political status of women.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Mcdaniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Mcdaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 09:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i mean to lose robben island a symbol of freedom for south africa to a white girl....damn thats a kick in the nuts for the ANC.

and to lose a province which gave birth to a country to a white girl &quot;the re colonisation&quot; damn thats a kick in the nuts for the ANC.

so toppling a parties symbol and a view of re colonisation on the cape by white people again it is no wonder why the ANCYL is going full out on racial and gender attacks on a woman, politics is diffently not a gentlemans sport.

and if Helen Zille can hold her ground and prove all the critics wrong well then thats just respect. and im afriad the ANC&#039;s propaganda is going to backfire.

But this is healthy for the country the DA needs the ANC and the ANC needs the DA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i mean to lose robben island a symbol of freedom for south africa to a white girl&#8230;.damn thats a kick in the nuts for the ANC.</p>
<p>and to lose a province which gave birth to a country to a white girl &#8220;the re colonisation&#8221; damn thats a kick in the nuts for the ANC.</p>
<p>so toppling a parties symbol and a view of re colonisation on the cape by white people again it is no wonder why the ANCYL is going full out on racial and gender attacks on a woman, politics is diffently not a gentlemans sport.</p>
<p>and if Helen Zille can hold her ground and prove all the critics wrong well then thats just respect. and im afriad the ANC&#8217;s propaganda is going to backfire.</p>
<p>But this is healthy for the country the DA needs the ANC and the ANC needs the DA.</p>
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