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MEC who supports the assault of children must surely resign

Under the leadership of President Jacob Zuma the patriarchs are, once again, on the rise. Over the weekend MEC for education in the Eastern Cape, Mandla Makupula, reportedly said that no children under the age of 21 who are still dependent on their parents for food and shelter has any rights. It is not clear where he got this idea from. Maybe he forgot to read the Constitution.

Patriarchy – literally meaning the rule of the father – is a deeply ingrained belief in the right of men to hold power in society and government, while women and children are largely relegated to positions of subordinates and servants. This usually mirrors traditional family arrangements that assume the father or eldest male “naturally” and as of right acts as the head of the family.

Some men justify this state of affairs by invoking “culture” and “traditions”, assuming that “culture” and “tradition” is unchanging and sacrosanct and that it should trump all other considerations – including the constitutional demand to respect the dignity of others, including the vulnerable and marginal in society. But of course, this is often an egotistical (if politically powerful) argument deployed to protect the unearned privilege and the power of the dominant group whose members do not wish to give up their ability to exploit others. “Culture” and “tradition” is invoked to trump all other concerns and to end the conversation.

But it is a particularly unconvincing and transparently self-serving argument with no power. Imagine if we could all invoke our culture or tradition to justify the exploitation of others. Some white people, for example, would then argue that apartheid was part of their culture and tradition. After all, they grew up with the idea that they had the right to exploit black South Africans. But that idea is a repugnant and deeply harmful one, so why should it ever be allowed to trump concerns about the well-being of others? The answer is that it should not.

The MEC can therefore not justify his rant by invoking his “culture” or “tradition”. His beliefs would remain repugnant and ethically wrong. To understand why, it might be helpful to explore his reported remarks in more detail.

MEC Makupula was in full patriarchal mode over the weekend, expressing shocking views endorsing violence against children. He is quoted as saying: “For you, rights come later in life when you are independent, finished studying and have your own place to stay and your own car. That is when you can start talking about rights.” Makupula was reportedly addressing the Bhisho legislature, where hundreds of pupils were attending the provincial schools’ debate on Premier Noxolo Kiviet’s state of the province address.

He allegedly referred to an Eastern Cape boy who took his father to court after he was forced to attend initiation school. This would not have happened in his home, he reportedly said.

I asked myself what was wrong with that boy. His father did go to the initiation school, but because of the rights now, he did not want to go there himself … I wish he could have been my child, I would have hit him on the head with a knobkerrie and he would have gone to that initiation school crying.

The MEC might not be aware (just as some of the right-wingers at Stellenbosch University are not aware) that the other rights in the Bill of Rights trump his right to culture and tradition and is made subject to it. Cultural and traditional practices that discriminate or harm others in a manner that infringes on any of the other rights in the Constitution are therefore invalid.

Moreover, most of the rights in the Bill of Rights are guaranteed for “everyone”, which includes both adults and children. Yes, only “citizens” have the right to form political parties and to vote, but no right in the Bill of Rights is reserved only for adults. This includes the right to freedom and security of the person, which includes the right to be free from all forms of violence from either public or private sources.

Even if one assumes that the common law provisions that justify “moderate chastisement” of children by his or her parents is constitutionally valid – something that is far from certain – hitting a child over the head with a knobkerrie would never be found by a court to constitute “moderate chastisement”. In other words, the MEC supports the assault (perhaps with the intention to do grievous bodily harm) on children on the basis that the child “belongs” to the father and can be violated as the father pleases.

This is a shocking attitude that cannot be squared with the Constitution. The MEC clearly is not fit to hold the office that he does. But sadly he is probably not going to be fired. After all, the statement is reminiscent of one made by President Jacob Zuma back in 2006 when he said that: “When I was growing up an ungqingili [a gay] would not have stood in front of me. I would knock him out.”

It is perhaps ironic that the Bill of Rights grants children more rights than everyone else – which is exactly the opposite position than that propagated by the MEC. Section 28 states that every child has the right, amongst others, “to basic nutrition, shelter, basic health care services and social services” and “to be protected from maltreatment, neglect, abuse or degradation”. The section affirms that a child’s best interests are of paramount importance in every matter concerning the child and that for the purposes of the Constitution a “child” means any person under the age of 18 years.

It might well be that a child would choose not to attend an initiation school because he might choose not to have himself mutilated. When this happens the rights of the child would always trump the rights of the father to have his traditions enforced. The MEC might not like this, but then he can always resign from the ANC and start his own party whose aim is to amend the Constitution to install the man as the head of each household and to scrap the rights that protects the rest of us. But he is sure going to find it difficult to get two thirds of South African voters (of whom a majority is women) to agree with him.

Alternatively, he can just resign.

  • Howard Klaaste

    I do not believe he will be called to order because the patriarchal mindset is entrenched in all and sunder. A patient never returned to me after I helped another one much younger who had not been circumcised yet. My explanation that emergencies always came first fell on deaf ears!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    Again a homosexual who have never raised any children and probably never will instructing everbody else how to raise kids. Same chap who advocates that White kids aught to be discriminated against as was done during Aparteid to Black kids. Is that not like advocating a more subtle form of child abuse?

    That is once again why I absolutely dispise White liberals. And the gay ones are by far the worse.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ OzoneBluete

    I am with you in the categorical rejection of WHITIST liberals.

    But do you support me in my demand for TRANSFORMATION in the Vatican?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    @mfd

    I believe whatever happens in the Vatican is for Catholics to decide. I don’t meddle in or pointificate on other peoples business, just as I don’t meddle with Xhosas or Zulus or Calvinists Afrikaners or Muslims or Gays or Lesbians. Let them fight their own battles and I will fight my own.

  • Maggs Naidu – MUD people are FUBAR! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    “He said these things in jest, he was only trying to be humorous. He wasn’t suggesting in any way that children don’t have rights,” spokesperson for the department, Loyiso Pulumani, told the Mail & Guardian. …

    But Pulumani said the provincial minister did not say these things “in so many words”.

    “There has been a misunderstanding of African idioms here. You need to try to understand the cultural differences here and the nuances in language.”

    http://mg.co.za/article/2013-03-13-ec-education-ministers-quotes-taken-out-of-context

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Ozone is right. Even Pope Francis XXVIXV would not PONTIFICATE about the statements of the MEC. Unlike His Holiness, the LIBERAL media can be counted upon to wrest words he may have said in support of the Junta out of context. Reminds one of the time the KILL DA BOER song was taken out of context as expressing hostility to BOERE!

  • K.S.Alston

    The MEC for Education should simply be sacked by the Premier. As for Pulumani, his attempted cover up for the MEC is pathetic. The MEC did not speak in jest. He was actually angry with kids who spoke about human rights in their presentations. Pulumani has made the mistake of thinking the rest of us buy into his drivel. If this is ANC respect for the Supreme law of South Africa (The Constitution) then we know where the ANC stands on law. Education is in a shambles in the Eastern Cape. The new SG is an excellent choice but he has a real battle on his hand, not helped by a helpless MEC!

  • ozoneblue

    @mfd

    My 9 year old was emotionally abused by a racist black parent. He was plucked out of his class a.nd frog marched to another to satisfy some racial demographic requirement. PdV sanctions that sort of society. He was traumatised. That, in my mind is amongst the worst kind of child abuse.

  • Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?
  • Zoo Keeper

    Prof

    I would like to point out an error which at first appears minor but it is actually the basis for fundamental understanding of the BOR.

    The BOR does not, at any stage “grant” rights. It protects rights which are already in existence from being denigrated.

    It is a protection mechanism – i.e. this far and no further. We start out with unlimited rights, these are then limited. The BOR sets the limits on how far these limitations may go.

  • Gwebecimele

    If you thought Hilton Botha was bad, check this one out.
    Apparently 73 witnesses including 13 policemen are lined up as witnesses.

    http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Cop-admits-Griekwastad-mistakes-20130314

  • Hoof_Hearted

    Mar 13th, 2013 by Pierre De Vos.
    The MEC might not be aware (just as some of the right-wingers at Stellenbosch University are not aware) that the other rights in the Bill of Rights trump his right to culture and tradition and is made subject to it.

    I had to laugh at this statement. It seems the prof just can’t help but have a bitchy little dig even when the opportunity does not present itself. I would say he does himself a disservice with such petty nonsense, but I’m beginning to wonder

  • Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?

    Apart from insinuating there’s a hierarchy of rights in the Bill of Rights….

  • Zoo Keeper

    Brett

    There is a clear hierarchy, where you stand depends on whether or not you’re the “right” colour…

  • Michael Osborne

    @ Zoo

    “The BOR does not, at any stage “grant” rights. It protects rights which are already in existence from being denigrated.”

    Can you cite any authority for this proposition? Are you invoking Natural Law jurisprudence here?

  • Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?

    Zoo Keeper says:
    March 14, 2013 at 14:57 pm

    That’s the practical reality of the situation, ZooKeeper, considering the speed at which Dumisa Ntsebeza is packing the benches to ensure LaNkosiNostra do not have to thwart the authority of the Courts to stage a coup d’etat.

    As you say, the first step in establishing whether you have locus standi in a constitutional issue is looking at the skin of the guy complaining.

    After Azhar Cachalia did not recuse himself in the gun compensation case I doubt there are people who are no longer aware that the Courts are no-go areas for those who have root philosophical differences with the New Orthodoxy…

  • Dmwangi

    Thank heavens 2/3 of children are not subjected to this awful, demonic, “patriarchal” family paradigm! Forget about all the social-science research demonstrating children raised by their biological parents have better outcomes. Such “facts” are mere impediments to achieving our social ideals of homosexual equality and sexual liberation (namely, the right to copulate with anyone at any moment without worrying about future encumbrances like having to care for the resulting human beings).

    “SA Institute of Race Relations (SAIRR) said its recent survey showed that only a third of the country’s children lived with their parents and the rest lived with single parents, on their own, with relatives or in foster care.

    Just over 39% of children live with their mothers only. About four percent live with their fathers only.

    Eight percent of children lived with their grandparents, great aunts or uncles, but without their own parents.

    Child-headed households, where the oldest resident is younger than 18 years old, accommodate 0.5% of children.

    The remaining 16% of children included those living in care homes and with relatives other than their biological parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles.

    Thuthukani Ndebele, a researcher at SAIRR said the living arrangements of children could have an impact on their future.

    “Those who live without both parents are often more vulnerable to poverty and unemployment, and may also be exposed to various forms of abuse,” he said.

    Ndebele said SAIRR previous research suggested children who live without both their parents may be more likely to have behavioural problems or even turn to crime.

    “Children living with both parents are statistically less likely to become teenage parents or drug and alcohol abusers, and perform better at school,” he said.

    Apart from burdening the elderly, the absence of parents could also contribute to an increasing state welfare bill, Ndebele said.

    “For example, foster care grant beneficiaries increased more than tenfold, from just over 53 000 in 2001 to nearly 600 000 in 2011/12.”

    In 2011/12, foster care grants cost the government R442 million, Ndebele said.”

  • Dmwangi

    I wonder if our resident expert on child psychology and development will tell us if this too is merely a “natural, healthy” manifestation of sexual maturation:

    “At least 28% of South African schoolgirls are HIV positive compared with 4% of boys because “sugar daddies” are exploiting them, Health Minister Aaron Motsoaledi has said.

    He said 94,000 schoolgirls also fell pregnant in 2011, and 77,000 had abortions at state facilities, The Sowetan newspaper reports.

    About 10% of South Africans are living with HIV, official statistics show.

    Mr Motsoaledi has been widely praised for his efforts to curb the disease.

    Continue reading the main story

    Start Quote

    It is clear that it is not young boys who are sleeping with these girls”

    Aaron Motsoaledi
    Health minister
    South Africa has run the world’s largest anti-retroviral (ARV) programme since President Jacob Zuma appointed him health minister in 2009.

    The number of HIV-positive people receiving live-saving ARV drugs more than doubled from 678,500 to 1.5 million after he took office, according to official statistics.

    The government of former President Thabo Mbeki, who questioned the link between HIV and Aids, had argued it could not afford to roll out this treatment to all the South Africans who needed it.

    ‘Destroying children’
    Speaking at a public meeting in the town of Carolina in South Africa’s Mpumalanga province, Mr Motsoaledi said the large number of young girls who were HIV-positive “destroyed my soul”.

    “It is clear that it is not young boys who are sleeping with these girls. It is old men,” The Sowetan quotes him as saying.

    “We must take a stand against sugar daddies because they are destroying our children.”

    Mr Motsoaledi said some pregnant girls – aged between 10 and 14 years of age – also tested positive for HIV.

    “[About] 77 000 girls had abortions at public facilities. We can no longer live like that. We want to put an end to it,” he said.

    More than five million people in South Africa are HIV-positive – about 10% of the total population.

    Last year more than 260,000 people with Aids died – almost half the figure of all those who died in the country.”

  • Dmwangi

    @Zoo Keeper:

    “It is a protection mechanism – i.e. this far and no further. We start out with unlimited rights, these are then limited. The BOR sets the limits on how far these limitations may go.”

    I do not understand this. Can you please explain how we start with unlimited rights?

  • Zoo Keeper

    MO

    I hadn’t thought to look for any authority. I took as “natural” that a person is borne with unlimited rights, such as the right to life for example. Why is this right expressed in the BOR? If it is not a natural right, then it would be necessary to express it. Therefore, those countries which do not have the statement of a right to life, means that their citizenry do not have the right to life. That right can be removed at any time. So if it were not expressed, would that be a societal license for homicide? A little on the glib side I know but I’m merely illustrating the position as I believe it to be.

    What is the opposite of my position, i.e. the position alluded to by the Prof of the BOR “granting” rights (which presumably were not there in the first place otherwise there would be no reason to “grant” them)?

  • Zoo Keeper

    DMwangi

    Can you explain how we start out with no rights, waiting for these to be granted by a higher power? Opposite end of my table in other words.

  • Gwebecimele
  • Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?

    ZooKeeper, how do you feel about changing the Magistrates Courts to procedure that is substantially inquisitorial?

  • Zoo Keeper

    Brett

    Not sure about that. Old fan of adversarial. It would also take a substantial re-training of personnel because it is a complete mindset shift.

    I am open to convincing, but it does seem to suit a civil code proper rather than a hybrid like ours.

    Would rather turn Magistrates and Judges into case managers to force parties to finish their litigation by doing 90% of the work in the first stages instead of the back-end.

  • Dmwangi

    @Zoo Keeper:

    I agree that rights are antecedent to constitutions, which merely codify protections of them. But you said we start with *unlimited* rights?

  • Zoo Keeper

    Dmwangi

    Essentially yes – but this is of course an exercise in identifying the most basic essence of the question. The moment before the Big Bang as it were. Its simply a means of making sense of what is to come and to take the debate in the right direction. One of preservation of what exists, rather than an “allowance” from a benign government.

    So yes, conceptually, we start from an unlimited position. These rights are then whittled away, or otherwise constrained and controlled.

  • Dmwangi

    “So yes, conceptually, we start from an unlimited position. These rights are then whittled away, or otherwise constrained and controlled.”

    Without further explication, this seems like a meaningless statement. What does it mean to have unlimited rights? Is this a right to anything? Are rights, then, simply functions of wants? Since rights are unlimited, does this extend to a right to murder? A yacht? A right to have limited rights?

    You need to define your theory of what a right is.

  • Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?

    Maggs, explain to us why the office of the ANC chief whip insists the Minister of Public Works will table the report of the department of public works task team on Nkandla before a special committee sitting in-camera?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    @dmwangi

    No use. They normally don’t engage when confronted with with facts. This the White liberal pathology, the victim is usually brainwashed to the extreme and incapable of objectivity, any critical thinking or a single original thought.

  • Michael Osborne

    @ Zookeeper

    “I hadn’t thought to look for any authority. I took as “natural” that a person is borne with unlimited rights, such as the right to life for example.”

    Zookeeper, I can only suggest that you look up some authority for natural law theory. You will find plenty, but you will also see that Legal Positivists have responded with volumes of argument. The debate as to whether natural rights exist has raged for 2000 years, and probably will continue for the next 2000.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    One way to destroy the dictatorship of the evil patriarchy. Just vote for Winnie Mandela.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1063844/winnie-mandela-may-face-fresh-murder-probe

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    “Ndebele said SAIRR previous research suggested children who live without both their parents may be more likely to have behavioural problems or even turn to crime.

    “Children living with both parents are statistically less likely to become teenage parents or drug and alcohol abusers, and perform better at school,” he said.”

    Those must be very difficult facts to deny.

  • Zoo Keeper

    MO

    Thanks

    I take it that we will not find an answer on these pages then?

    But then isn’t that the essence of philosophy – to argue in circles because its fun?:)

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    The lack of discipline in our schools is appalling. White liberal response: blame it on the almost non existent “rule of the farthers”. Blame it on men who are in fact not fulfiling their patriarchal duties and totally mising from primary scool education? Then when the entire education system goes to shit White liberal response: blame it on Whites and White privilege, fix it with quotas and AA. We can engineer a specific outcome, garbage in garbage out don’t seem rational to us. Then when leadership / governance/competency is detroyed an government goes to shit – blame it on cadre deployment, corruption and the destruction of African family by 3000 years of colonialism and Apartheid?

    Ja-nee.

  • Maggs Naidu – MUD people are FUBAR! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Dmwangi
    March 14, 2013 at 15:52 pm

    Hey DM,

    So you think that homosexuality is a function of socialisation.

    If your parents did not insist that you MUST be heterosexual, would you have been homosexual?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    “Learner behaviour problems have, for years, been a major concern for teachers, administrators and parents. More than ever before, teachers are faced with critical problems in their classrooms, and are confronted (on a daily basis) with unacceptable learner behaviour and threatening situations. After the abolishment of the old system of corporal punishment and control, an urgent need arose to deal with behavioural issues in innovative ways.”

    http://wced.pgwc.gov.za/documents/LearnerDiscipline/Learner_Discipline_and_School_Management.pdf

    Threatening situations? Perhaps these learners have too many rights and the educators too few?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue
  • Maggs Naidu – MUD people are FUBAR! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Ok – now I’ve heard it all!

    Our police commissioner thinks that the rights in our Constitution is an impediment.

    Watch Redi Thlabi’s South 2 North tonite on Al Jezeera for the outrageous Piyega.

  • Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?

    Rape conviction rate of 2,8% – is this even worse?

    Not only do teachers who prey on young girls not get to rot in a dank cell, they’re right back on the job:

    http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71654?oid=364129&sn=Detail&pid=71616

  • Gwebecimele

    Under our lovely constitution, can our hated Malema also approach the authorities and reach settlements for the alleged tender manipulation or is this a right reserved for the previledged few. Someone must watch the pockets of those who will make this go away.

    http://www.iol.co.za/business/business-news/hawks-hold-off-on-builder-probe-1.1486903

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?
    March 15, 2013 at 9:29 am

    Brett. Here is what our White liberal inspired analysts have to say.

    “These are institutions, rules and mores we believe give us a sense of normality and cohesion but also serve the dual purpose of making us a society that cannibalises itself through the most horrific violence against its own.

    Aspects of our different traditions and religions, and their influence on our politics and economic structures, contribute in many ways towards perpetuating a culture that knows no race or ethnicity – and is entirely geared towards validating the assumed but incorrect genetic superiority of the male. It defines female propriety as accepting the role of second best, of modesty, waiting your turn and remaining silent lest you are regarded as too forward or loose. It is an invisible violence inculcated into the mind of every child as representing the virtues of true social order.”

    It is tradition, religion and patriarchy that causes all of this. Can you remember/have any stats on how often those Calvinist Afrikaner dads raped their own daughters and killed their wifes under Apartheid because apparently that is what the Holy Bible teaches them. Or any stats on how many rapes are committed by New Atheists who are very worried about rape being a norm (not a perversion) of religion but not so worried about wiping out entire families with USA/UK sponsored drones as they merrily crusade forth inspired by their whiteman’s burden to liberate humanity from itself.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue
  • Gwebecimele

    Magistrates are not alone in inviting crowds to their courts the doctors also want see more than 100 patients per day.

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/03/15/r22bn-medical-aid-rip-off

  • Gwebecimele

    Just send Mememezi, Sdumo Dlamini and the likes to serve on this board.

    I hear PE is getting an 81 yrs old mayor. Way to go.

    http://www.citypress.co.za/news/removal-of-sabc-coo-motsoeneng-stands/

  • Maggs Naidu – MUD people are FUBAR! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Judge: Don’t Fear Facebook

    The legal system is warming up to the concept of using Facebook to serve defendants.

    Law Blog last week highlighted a proposed bill in Texas that would allow defendants to be served notice of a lawsuit through social media sites.

    And now, a federal judge has given the government permission to use Facebook as a means of serving defendants pleadings, motions and other documents.

    The defendants, who are located in India, are accused of tricking people into believing they have spyware and viruses on their computers, and getting them to spend hundreds of dollars to “fix” it.

    The Federal Trade Commission, which sued them, has had some trouble reaching them by snail mail. The agency proposed serving them pleadings, motions and other case documents through email and through their Facebook accounts.

    U.S. District Judge Paul Engelmayer of Manhattan had no problem with that.

    “The Court acknowledges that service by Facebook is a relatively novel concept. . . .

    http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2013/03/14/judge-dont-fear-facebook/?mod=e2tw

  • Andrew

    Maggs Naidu – says:

    Watch Redi Thlabi’s South 2 North tonite on Al Jezeera for the outrageous Piyega.

    Maggs, what time is the show on AJ?

  • Maggs Naidu – MUD people are FUBAR! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Andrew
    March 15, 2013 at 11:54 am

    Hey Andrew – it’s at 9:30.

    Redi played a voice clip earlier on.

    Piyega is … eish!

  • Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?

    OBS, tell me this: There must have been an epidemic of rape in the Bantustans and Apartheid South Africa’s townships that we just don’t know about, right?

    I mean, the Brits gave each tribe a homeland (behalwe ons.) Say, Botswana, current population 2m, a fraction of the Batswana living in ‘South Africa’. They put Chiefs in charge of all those homelands, inheritable title, almost inevitably along the male line. Hard to imagine a more patriarchal set-up, right?

    Then, along came ons mense and they tried to consolidate more ‘homelands’ for the rapidly burgeoning populations of tribespeople within the borders of ‘SOuth Africa’ and put male Chiefs in charge of those. (As above.) And called it Apartheid. (If you like, I can give you the statistics from Pandora’s Box on how much was spent trying to develop those places.)

    We’re just uninformed about all the rapine and murder that happened in those patriarchal hotbeds, right?

    Ozoneblue says:
    March 15, 2013 at 10:24 am

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?
    March 15, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    “OBS, tell me this: There must have been an epidemic of rape in the Bantustans and Apartheid South Africa’s townships that we just don’t know about, right?

    I mean, the Brits gave each tribe a homeland (behalwe ons.) Say, Botswana, current population 2m, a fraction of the Batswana living in ‘South Africa’. They put Chiefs in charge of all those homelands, inheritable title, almost inevitably along the male line. Hard to imagine a more patriarchal set-up, right?”

    Townships and Bantustans combined with migrant labour system were instrumental in destroying the traditional “patriarchal” African societies Brett. You should know that, I doubt very much that rape and abuse of women was such a epidemic under Shaka or under the Mudjadji’s.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hut_tax

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    I can imagine as this global stand-off between men and women escalates we can expect the Coalition of the Willing will assist us to deploy a swarm of drones in KZN, Amapondo and Potchefstroom in this global battle against the Dark forces of the Patriarchy.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/john-podesta-obama-should-lift-secrecy-on-drones/2013/03/13/7e98d7ca-8a9b-11e2-8d72-dc76641cb8d4_story.html

  • Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?

    Funny you should say that. It would be a mistake to say the ANC has done nothing about the corrupt and greedy chiefs – the ANC has co-opted them, entrenched their position and extended their powers to ensure they go on turning out the voting-blocks.

    The ANC has also expanded the migrant labour system (while failing to police things like the mine hostels and usurious lending to miners) – while there might no longer be Zulus underground Zimbabweans are now firmly entrenched in our agriculture as the strike in the WCape showed.

    Ozoneblue says:
    March 15, 2013 at 12:49 pm

    “Townships and Bantustans combined with migrant labour system were instrumental in destroying the traditional “patriarchal” African societies Brett.”

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?
    March 15, 2013 at 13:30 pm

    And Lonmin?

    Those were Amapondo warriors weren’t it. Our brave new Commissioner of Police (who knows sweet-blue-fuckall about policing btw but it never stopped her from being gender affirmed) struck a major blow for the Coalition of the Willing against the forces of the Patriarchy there.

    Who needs drones after all.

  • Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?
  • Gwebecimele

    GLOVES ARE OFF

    “Now this is a sad reflection because you once again are trying to banish the Nationalisation of Mines debate, which the ANC National General Council in 2011 developed greater consensus on whilst you and fellow neoliberals like Trevor Manuel, Pravin Grodham, Rob Davies, Frans Baleni, and Ebrahim Patel dismally failed to convince 98% of the Commission of Economic Transformation that Nationalisation is not the way.

    Do you remember that Cde Irvin Jim was amongst those who dismissed you and Frans Baleni when you argued neoliberal politics?? Do you remember that the Economic Transformation Commission was more than two-thirds of the National General Council? (for the first time since the unbanning of the ANC in 1990)

    For your memory’s sake, do you remember that out of the 148 people who spoke in the commission on economic transformation, it was only the 7 of you who spoke against nationalisation of mines, hence we wrote a resolution that said “there was GREATER CONSENSUS ON NATIONALISATION OF MINES AND OTHER STRATEGIC SECTORS OF THE ECONOMY” (check the 3rd NGC resolutions for you memory on http://www.anc.org.za).”

    http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=364301&sn=Detail&pid=71616

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Gwebe

    I am reiterating my demand for the nationalisation of all of the means of production. The Minister of Trade and Industries must appoint a board for each manufacturing, mining and service company, who will be under a FIDUCIARY DUTY to run the entity in the interests of all our people.

    Thanks.

  • Gwebecimele
  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Gwebecimele
    March 15, 2013 at 15:43 pm

    “You tried to retreat on this position when one of the SACP great Internationalists objected to your description of one of the greatest revolutionaries of the 21st century, Cde Hugo Chavez. I nevertheless stopped taking you serious and campaigned unsuccessfully for your replacement as Deputy General Secretary of the SACP.”

    But, but, but dear Floyd. Cde Hugo Chavez was not a racist, nor did he try to hide his special brand of African Nationalism behind empty and meaningless rhetoric about Marxist-Leninism while he was thinking in order to get our own hands on the bling we must first kill the Boers. I never heard him talk about “white minority capital” – as if “black minority capital” or “multiracial minority capital” is a much better deal. Nor did I ever hear him talking disparaging about Whites, Indians or Coloureds. Nor did he harp on for hours about AA and BBE. This is how Cde Chavez solved the problem:

    “The sector that most benefited from Chávez’s policies were the Afro-descendant population and the poor,” Brown noted. “So even though some of Chavez’s policies were not specifically directed as affirmative action for Afro-descendants, because they were directed to people who were poor, they helped Black people—the people who had historically been disenfranchised.”

    http://www.amsterdamnews.com/news/international/ch-vez-remembered/article_d9aa0b16-8816-11e2-b65d-0019bb2963f4.html

  • Dmwangi

    @Maggs:

    “Dmwangi
    March 14, 2013 at 15:52 pm

    Hey DM,

    So you think that homosexuality is a function of socialisation.

    If your parents did not insist that you MUST be heterosexual, would you have been homosexual?”

    As usual, you’re talking nonsense.

    The point was that pink mafia like you cannot admit what the mountains of research concludes (that the best family paradigm for children is to be raised by their biological parents) because that would mean admitting that gay “families” are not equivalent to hetero ones in at least one very important respect.

  • sirjay jonson

    Zoo Keeper
    March 14, 2013 at 16:16 pm

    The death penalty is state homicide. For all those clamoring for its return, have they stopped to think whether they trust the state.

  • sirjay jonson

    The attitude as witnessed in his remarks, of this MEC, is so exemplary of both the ignorance of, and self serving lack of commitment to the Constitution of SA by our country’s corrupt and arrogant elite. It is also exemplary of why the ANC should not be the governing party in SA if SA wishes to progress to becoming one of the world’s leading nations with a prosperous citizenry, a possibility were the right and available leadership in place.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ PdV

    “MEC who supports the assault of children must surely resign”

    I agree. She will surely resign. Perhaps the only thing standing in the way of the MEC’s resignation is the fact that the DA has not yet demanded that she do so. Once the DA demands it, the government will surely feel compelled to let her go!

    Thanks.

  • Maggs Naidu

    Dmwangi

    March 15, 2013 at 17:24 pm

    Dufus – you’re one confused fool!

    The thing about orphans and abandoned children is that, well, they are orphans and/or abandoned.

    And you may be surprised to learn that children put up for adoption are actually put up for adoption!

  • Dmwangi

    @Maggs:

    Stupid guy, what’s your point?

    What does that have to do with the overwhelming research showing children raised by their biological parents fare best? That we should minimise the number of orphans and those put up for adoption so they can be raised by their biological parents should be obvious.

  • Maggs Naidu

    Dmwangi

    March 15, 2013 at 20:42 pm

    So MUD for brains, you prefer for orphans to live with their dead parents rather than with people who want to adopt or foster?

    UBUNTU DMwangi style?

  • Dmwangi

    I prefer we admit what the best, most ideal family form is and then decide how we will handle tragic cases where, for whatever reason, that IDEAL is unattainable.

    But let’s not try to equate the ideal family form with the less-than-ideal one just because it’s politically correct. The hordes of data tell us otherwise.

  • Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?

    Plenty dogs looking for good homes, Maggs….

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    What I find most amusing is how the atheists project us as mere animals but then expect us to shed those pretensions to behave like angles.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Brett

    “Plenty dogs looking for good homes, Maggs….”

    Brett, your bizarre fascination with canines know no bounds.

    Spare a thought for the DUCKLINGS, orphaned in their thousands every year by your American friends in the NRA.

    Thanks.

  • Gwebecimele
  • Maggs Naidu – MUD people are FUBAR! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Dmwangi
    March 15, 2013 at 22:09 pm

    Dm,

    “I prefer we admit what the best, most ideal family form is”

    The best for of “family” for any child is where the interests of the child are optimally catered for – ideally in with adult caregivers who will advance the interests of the child.

    But it’ not in the interests of a child who refuses to get mutilated, to get cracked on the skull with a knobkerrie!

  • Dmwangi

    “The best for of “family” for any child is where the interests of the child are optimally catered for – ideally in with adult caregivers who will advance the interests of the child.”

    That’s fine. Because we have tons of evidence showing that the interests of the child are most often “optimally catered” for when raised by their biological parents.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Maggs Naidu – MUD people are FUBAR! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    March 16, 2013 at 12:33 pm

    “The best for of “family” for any child is where the interests of the child are optimally catered for – ideally in with adult caregivers who will advance the interests of the child.

    But it’ not in the interests of a child who refuses to get mutilated, to get cracked on the skull with a knobkerrie!”

    It is also not in the best interest of a child to be raised with a low self-image and self-hatred either instilling in them a complex guilt or worse even a victim mentality. That is psychological abuse of the worse fucking kind.

    Imagine a guilt-obsessed homosexual White liberal like Pierre De Vos/Gillian Schutte/etc raising a White heterosexual, male, child. The hatred, the self-loathing racism, the emotional damage that would be indoctrinated into that little boy from a very young age is enough to make one puke.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Correction. …instilling in them a guilt complex …

    That is the main reason I wouldn’t want to see a child raised by homosexual parents, they are usually deeply damaged/unstable themselves and that rubs off on their kids.

  • Mau

    Onzone. Homosexuals are also our friends and brothers and sisters?

    Your views on this would be laughable if they were not truly offensive.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Mau
    March 16, 2013 at 14:19 pm

    So you think it is healthy to raise a kid to feel guilty about his “identity” and even to hate himself for something he had nothing to do with? Then you are the offensive sicko my friend. And racism perpetuated on kids at nursery/primary school level already, being discriminated and racially indoctrinated because of something their parents/grandparents have done? That is child abuse – no more and no less.

    And the Xhosa kid who goes to initiation – he is affirmed – in his identity and a positive image of himself and his culture. That is not “abuse, but the healthy and correct way to raise kids.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Maggs

    “The best for of “family” for any child is where the interests of the child are optimally catered for”

    This seems right. But I say that what constitutes the best interests may be somewhat alien to “western” norms. Dmwangi and Maggs, WDYS of the following “non-western” manner of raising boys?:

    “The Baruya [of New Guinea] are characterized by a strong inequality between males and females; all their organizations, institutions, and myths present male domination. They have a ritual in which boys give fellatio to young males and drink their semen, to ‘re-engender themselves prior to marriage’ To achieve the status of manhood the young boys go through a ritual in which they drink the semen of young men.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruya_people

    Thanks.

  • Maggs Naidu – MUD people are FUBAR! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Dmwangi
    March 16, 2013 at 13:15 pm

    Dufus,

    Even when the biological parents are unable, unwilling, incapable, insane?

    What should happen then to children from such biological families?

    Whacking kids on the heads with knobkerries ought to be an option.

    Would you do that to your kids?

  • Maggs Naidu – MUD people are FUBAR! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Oops – Whacking kids on the heads with knobkerries ought not to be an option.

  • Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?
  • Dmwangi

    @Maggs:

    You are truly a sophistic idiot. It’s difficult to conversate with you about public policy since you apparently conflate it with the natural sciences.

    Making the general statement that the overwhelming research concludes that children raised by their biological parents have better outcomes, does not preclude the possibility (dare I even say, the inevitably) of exceptions to such a rule in a world of 7 billion ppl. When writing laws, one must be concerned with broad applicability and governance, not whether there will ever, at any point in time, be an exception to the rule. Laws are not universal Kantian maxims.

    Now why is it so hard for you pink mafias to admit what the science says: as a statistical matter, children raised by their biological parents fare better.

  • Dmwangi

    No doubt some adolescents have done admirable jobs raising their siblings. Does this unique exception somehow abrogate all the research and imply that this family form should be normative??????

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Dmwangi is right.

    I was myself raised by wolves in the Carpathians mountains. Luckily, I turned out OK. But does that make it an ideal family structure for a young human? I don’t think so!

    Thanks.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Dmwangi
    March 16, 2013 at 19:59 pm

    “When writing laws, one must be concerned with broad applicability and governance,”

    But I don’t agree that this very personal stuff should be “governed” – saying the “ideal situation” is X is quite different from making laws and governing to ensure that X is enforced as “ideal situation”. That is draconian and against the basic rules of human rights that must always rule supreme.

  • Dmwangi

    OB:

    Not “enforce” (how one enforces a family structure I’m not sure) but *encourage.*

    The state obviously has a compelling interest in the character of its future citizens:

    “Ndebele said SAIRR previous research suggested children who live without both their parents may be more likely to have behavioural problems or even turn to crime.

    “Children living with both parents are statistically less likely to become teenage parents or drug and alcohol abusers, and perform better at school,” he said.

    Apart from burdening the elderly, the absence of parents could also contribute to an increasing state welfare bill, Ndebele said.

    “For example, foster care grant beneficiaries increased more than tenfold, from just over 53 000 in 2001 to nearly 600 000 in 2011/12.”

    In 2011/12, foster care grants cost the government R442 million, Ndebele said.””

  • Dmwangi

    The nation’s governability and the state’s very survival may well depend on it….

  • Dmwangi

    The state could start by recognising the nuclear family as the normative paradigm and that, *statistically*, children who grow up in “alternative” family modes do not fare as well.

  • Maggs Naidu – MUD people are FUBAR! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Dmwangi
    March 16, 2013 at 19:59 pm

    Hey Dm,

    “does not preclude the possibility (dare I even say, the inevitably) of exceptions to such a rule”

    You have a good point there.

    If I understand it correctly, Jesus did not live with his biological parents and he did ok, well sort of.

    On the other hand your Dada, Idi Amin, ate his biological parents.

    Now what do you say to that, eh?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    March 16, 2013 at 21:37 pm

    I think we all agree that “an ideal family structure” is contingent on the socio-economic and cultural context. But when ideal gets enforced by state and entrenched in law it becomes perhaps less than ideal.

    Which brings me back to Zizek and the “class struggle” versus the plethora of “identity struggles”. How does one enforce equality. Can it in fact be enforced without a totalitarian enforcement that is clearly in opposition to the notion of [individual] human rights ? or should we only level the playing grounds [distorted by capitalism] in terms of economical equality, so that biological and evolutionary processes that were always contingent on organic processes of competition/collaboration can take their course.

  • Maggs Naidu – MUD people are FUBAR! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    March 16, 2013 at 21:37 pm

    Dworky,

    “Luckily, I turned out OK.”

    Err, hmmm, ummm, *clears throat*

    Sorry to break the bad news to you Mossad Guy – but you didn’t turn out ok.

    p.s. Dmwangi makes a good point. Just the other day I went to the zoo and watched a monkey which was abandoned at birth by its biological parents. And guess what – the flipping thing was scratching its butt in full view of everyone, also shamelessly picking it’s nose and eating the picking with no shame at all.

    WDYSTT?

  • Dmwangi

    Maggs:

    Still can’t even admit what the mountains of social-science research have concluded. How intellectually honest and open-minded of you!

  • Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?

    Everyone’s read ‘The demise of SAs bilateral investment treaties causes a stir’ by Peter Fabricius in yesterday’s Star, I hope?

    It is important to understand that lapsing the bilateral investment treaties which protect rights in our Bill of Rights by agreement with civilised nations is one of the final moves in the middlegame. (Along with Dumisa Ntsebeza packing the Benches with ‘friendlies’…)

    Soon we will see the launch of the assault on the constitutional order that will enable the kleptocrats to turn South Africa into just another failed African basket case so the looting can begin in earnest.

  • Maggs Naidu – MUD people are FUBAR! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Dmwangi
    March 16, 2013 at 22:34 pm
    DM,

    “Still can’t even admit what the mountains of social-science research have concluded.”

    Please point me to the research which shows that cracking open the skulls of children who refuse to get “voluntarily” mutilated, is better for their adjustment.

    Also the research which shows that kids who are orphaned, abandoned, unwanted are better off with their biological parents.

  • Dmwangi

    Maggot:

    There you go with your sophistry again.

    I guess by your delusional lights, since there are rare exceptions to general equilibrium theory, all of the data verifying it is an accurate descriptor of reality 99.9% of the time is nullified.

    In short, you’re either incredibly dense or will just keep deflecting when confronted with cold, hard evidence so you can maintain all your precious politically correct dogmas intact. At least you’ve shown for all that you care more about advancing the pink mafia project than the welfare of children!

  • Maggs Naidu – MUD people are FUBAR! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Dmwangi
    March 16, 2013 at 23:52 pm

    Hey DM,

    After reading your carefully considered response to the rather elementary questions, I think I understand much better now.

    I’ve come to the inescapable conclusion that you were knocked rather hard on your head with a knobkerrie!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    “Muslim Brotherhood Statement Denouncing UN Women Declaration for Violating Sharia Principles Muslim Brotherhood slams proposed UN CSW document which contradicts principles of Islam and destroys family life and entire society.”

    http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=30731

    *and destroys family life and entire society*

    and in South Africa that process started through British colonial capitalism, aggravated by Apartheid and now the final battle to be fought by the UN and the pink army, mob of White liberals using exactly same rationale, the White man’s burden to bring Christianity, civilisation, democracy, freedom, [MARKET CAPITALISM?] and now human rights to the rest of the world.

  • Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?

    OBS, het jy dit gesien?

    http://www.rapport.co.za/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Man-sit-20-jna-moorde-met-staalflits-20130316

    Man sit 20 j.ná moorde met staalflits

    2013-03-16 23:50
    Christine van der Westhuizen

    ‘n Snikkende Willem Colsby (57), netjies geklee in sy kerkpak,
    het sy suster, Bettie Geyer, in die hooggeregshof in Johannesburg
    omhels voordat hy weggelei is om gevangenisstraf van 20 jaar uit
    te dien.

    Dié groot man het sy vrou, Zonelia (44) en dogter, Cindy (17),
    hul enigste kind, op Nuwejaarsdag 2011 met ‘n flits doodgeslaan
    tydens ‘n hewige rusie oor geld.

    “Dit bly maar seer,” het Colsby aan Rapport gesê kort voor sy
    vonnisoplegging voorverlede week.

    “My dogter was ‘n mensie op haar eie, maar baie soos ek: As jy
    reg is, is jy reg. Ek en my vrou was 22 jaar lank getroud.

    “Dit was nie ‘n ongelukkige huwelik nie, ons was tevrede.”

    Colsby het ‘n pleitverduideliking aangebied nadat die saak die
    afgelope twee jaar gesloer en tientalle kere uitgestel is.

    Zonelia se broer, Frik Werthmar, het ingevolge die voorwaardes
    van die pleitverduideliking sy tevredenheid met die vonnis
    uitgespreek.

    Volgens die pleitverduideliking het Colsby en sy vrou dié dag in
    hul huis in Kempton Park baklei oor hul finansiële situasie, wat
    onder druk was sedert hy drie maande tevore sy werk verloor het.

    Tydens die rusie het Colsby sy vrou met ‘n staalflits oor die kop
    geslaan.

    Toe Cindy tussenbeide wou tree, het hy haar óók bygedam.

    Albei is weens skedelbreuk en gepaardgaande breinbeserings dood.

    Colsby het daarna probeer selfmoord pleeg deur sy pols te sny.

    Hy het 34 jaar lank vir Standard Bank gewerk en was ‘n
    middelvlakbestuurder toe hy afgedank is. Hy het depressief geraak
    en probeer selfmoord pleeg deur ‘n oordosis pille te neem.

    “Hy het gevoel hy het sy gesin in die steek gelaat. Hy was skaam
    en vernederd,” lui die pleitverduideliking.

    “Die Colsby-egpaar was aktiewe lidmate van die
    Maranatha-gemeenskapskerk en het as sel-leiers gedien. Hulle het
    ook na kinders in pleegsorg omgesien.”

    Sy vrou se tannie, wat “soos ‘n eie ma vir haar was” het hom
    gebel om te sê sy vergewe hom.

    “Ek dien al lankal my straf uit,” sê hy huilend.

  • Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?

    Hier is nou vir jou die handboek-slagoffer van sy velkleur en penis.

    Hy kan nie op 57 oor begin nie, want hy is wit.

    Hy kry 20jr, omdat hy ‘n man is, en sy kry 24 maande korrektiewe toesig, omdat sy ‘n vrou is.

    http://www.beeld.com/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Gemeenskapsdiens-na-sy-man-vermoor-20130315

    Mooi, Pierre! Mooi, ‘Progressiewes’!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    @brett

    “Hy het 34 jaar lank vir Standard Bank gewerk en was ‘n middelvlakbestuurder toe hy afgedank is. Hy het depressief geraak en probeer selfmoord pleeg deur ‘n oordosis pille te neem.” “Hy het gevoel hy het sy gesin in die steek gelaat. Hy was skaam en vernederd,” lui die pleitverduideliking.”

    It must be absolutely devastating to see your life turn to shit just like that. And then for our White liberals to blame this kind of thing on “whiteness” or “patriarchy” – that to me is just so disgusting. Cold hearted, bordering on psychotic I would say.

  • Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?

    Bet you he was retrenched. That is right around the time the wave of rentrenchments started in Standard Bank.

    Oh well, I’m sure feelings of loyalty and responsibility motivated Jacko Maree and his wife to provide all the support they could to the family….

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    &brett

    If we had a more equal society where class divisions were not so acute, nobody would feel suicidal on losing a middle class job. Our nation spends much more than it can afford to keep up with the Jones and the Tshabalas. We are defined by our debts.

  • Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?

    What about the morality of making it impossible for that guy with all that experience to find another job?

    Because of his skin colour?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?
    March 17, 2013 at 11:25 am

    “What about the morality of making it impossible for that guy with all that experience to find another job?”

    Pierre & kie will tell you he deserves it cause he was privileged by Apartheid, his kids and their kids deserve it too. The only Whites that are not deserving of such transformation are the White liberals, they hold on to their jobs cause it is the right thing to do.

  • Willem Wikkelspies

    By Mike Smith
    12th of March 2013

    Sometimes the truth and the realities of everyday life in South Africa is just too ridiculous for words.

    Culture wins case in court

    So there you were, running a small business and employing a few blacks, when one day, the tea-girl comes to you with a “doctor’s certificate” and tells you that she will be gone for a month…

    Concerned you asked her what the trouble was…just to have read that the “Doctor Certificate” was issued by a witch-doctor, a Sangoma, stating that your tea-girl was suffering from “premonitions of ancestors” and needed to attend a month-long ceremony or she would collapse and no one would be able to help her.

    You tried to control your laughter, but being the understanding liberal you are, you tried to be reasonable and generous and instead offered her one week’s unpaid leave.

    What did she do?

    She wiped her fat black arse with your one week unpaid leave and took the month off as her Sangoma instructed her.

    So you fired her, just to find out that she laid a case against you at the Commission for Conciliation, Mediation and Arbitration (CCMA).

    The CCMA found that the employee’s conduct was justified because she believed that she had to choose a course that would save her life.

    You took the CCMA’s decision on review to the Labour Court. The Labour Court dismissed the review application.

    You then appealed to the Labour Appeal Court. The Labour Appeal Court held that the Constitution recognises traditional beliefs and practices and some of them are strongly held by those who subscribe to them and regard them as part of their lives. Those who do not subscribe to others’ cultural beliefs should not trivialise them.

    What is required is reasonable accommodation of each other to ensure harmony and to achieve a united society.

    In short…Phuq you, your court case and your appeal. The Noble Savage wins.

    The lesson to be learned from this case is that employers have to be sensitive to the religious and cultural beliefs of their employees. Employees’ cultural and religious beliefs should not be trivialised merely because employers do not subscribe to them.

    Employees also need to be sensitive that the primary objective of any business is to make a profit and therefore employees and employers must strive to reach a compromise in order to achieve and maintain peace in the workplace.

    So what will the result be?

    “Patients” will pay the Sangoma to give them “medical certificates” to stay off work for months, because they are being haunted by evil spirits and the employer will have to pay salary for months of no work. If you call it ridiculous you stand the chance of being labeled a racist, intolerant to other cultures, etc…

    If you stop employing them, you are also a racist, because then you discriminate against their culture.

    So, there is no way YOU can win. They win. You pay. That is how it works in SA today.

    You can’t run a business like that. You will go under. Eventually you decide to emigrate…just to be labeled a “racist” again…Intolerant of black culture.

    There is simply no way you can win. The case above shows and proves that the White Western Culture and our way of running a business are wrong and racist just like everything we believe in.

    All other cultures and beliefs are right and tolerated, just ours not. We must bent over backwards to accommodate other cultures, but they never have to do the same.

    We are not allowed to “trivialize” their culture, but they can trivialize ours. We have to be sensitive to their religious and cultural beliefs, they do not have to be sensitive to ours. You as the white employer must study and accommodate their beliefs, they do not have to study and accommodate yours.

    You need to attend a course of “How to understand my Xhosa employee”, they never have to attend a course of “How to understand my White Anglo-Saxon boss”.
    Posted by Mike Smith at 11:06 AM 24 comments:

  • Willem Wikkelspies

    “Also the research which shows that kids who are orphaned, abandoned, unwanted are better off with their biological parents.”
    ************************************************************
    Maggot , I am surprised you have not questioned the CNN report on the orphan crisis up north in Africa and the adoption by compassionate white yanks paying $30,000 USD for an orphan . I am convinced you would be startled to know these black infants have seen green apples turning red , and are convinced they will turn white when they grow older .