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		<title>By: Maggs Naidu</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/moseneke-the-mg-and-judicial-ethics/#comment-22172</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggs Naidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The time has come, &#039;the Walrus said&#039;, to speak of many things. Of ships and shoes and sealing wax, of cabbages and kings. Of why the sea is boiling hot, and whether pigs have wings.&quot;

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-11-20-dubious-liaisons</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The time has come, &#8216;the Walrus said&#8217;, to speak of many things. Of ships and shoes and sealing wax, of cabbages and kings. Of why the sea is boiling hot, and whether pigs have wings.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-11-20-dubious-liaisons" rel="nofollow">http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-11-20-dubious-liaisons</a></p>
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		<title>By: Maggs Naidu</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/moseneke-the-mg-and-judicial-ethics/#comment-22091</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggs Naidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mzo says:
November 16, 2009 at 13:06 pm

However, I always take stories from the M&amp;G with a pinch of salt.
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Try this from the Sowetan - http://www.sowetan.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=1089199

&quot;Holding Law In ‘Contempt’
18 November 2009
Anna Majavu
	
&quot;Deputy Chief Justice Dikgang Moseneke’s brother appears to be breaking the law by continuing to manage the Moseneke family business even after being struck off the roll of attorneys.&quot;

&quot;The amended Companies Act bars anyone who is struck off the roll from ever working as a company director, or from managing a company&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mzo says:<br />
November 16, 2009 at 13:06 pm</p>
<p>However, I always take stories from the M&amp;G with a pinch of salt.<br />
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Try this from the Sowetan &#8211; <a href="http://www.sowetan.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=1089199" rel="nofollow">http://www.sowetan.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=1089199</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Holding Law In ‘Contempt’<br />
18 November 2009<br />
Anna Majavu</p>
<p>&#8220;Deputy Chief Justice Dikgang Moseneke’s brother appears to be breaking the law by continuing to manage the Moseneke family business even after being struck off the roll of attorneys.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The amended Companies Act bars anyone who is struck off the roll from ever working as a company director, or from managing a company&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggs Naidu</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/moseneke-the-mg-and-judicial-ethics/#comment-22086</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggs Naidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WTF is going on?

http://www.timeslive.co.za/news/article197881.ece

&quot;&#039;These shares were paying material value - I mean millions and millions of rands,&#039;&quot;

&quot;Pikoli told the court that his wife told him about the shares, which she received from Gibson Njenje&quot;

&quot;Cilliers pointed out that on the day Pikoli&#039;s wife received her 2% shares in Vulisango, he became the Director of Public Prosecutions, on February, 1, 2005.&quot;

&quot;&#039;I can&#039;t say when I got to know - at the time I never made any connection between JCI and Simmer &amp; Jack, as I had no reason to,&#039;&quot;

Good grief - what have we turned into?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF is going on?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timeslive.co.za/news/article197881.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timeslive.co.za/news/article197881.ece</a></p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;These shares were paying material value &#8211; I mean millions and millions of rands,&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Pikoli told the court that his wife told him about the shares, which she received from Gibson Njenje&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Cilliers pointed out that on the day Pikoli&#8217;s wife received her 2% shares in Vulisango, he became the Director of Public Prosecutions, on February, 1, 2005.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;I can&#8217;t say when I got to know &#8211; at the time I never made any connection between JCI and Simmer &amp; Jack, as I had no reason to,&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>Good grief &#8211; what have we turned into?</p>
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		<title>By: Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/moseneke-the-mg-and-judicial-ethics/#comment-22071</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ King Zwakala

&quot;It is like- I felt betrayed. It was a like a situation whereby you defend someone’s integrity but only to be let down by evidence in the end.&quot;

King, I know exactly how you feel.   For me, the Hlophe JP affair was a little like this.  Fortunately, I ultimately came to understand that the so-called evidence against the JP was the invention of RACISTS!   Hence, my faith in him was restored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ King Zwakala</p>
<p>&#8220;It is like- I felt betrayed. It was a like a situation whereby you defend someone’s integrity but only to be let down by evidence in the end.&#8221;</p>
<p>King, I know exactly how you feel.   For me, the Hlophe JP affair was a little like this.  Fortunately, I ultimately came to understand that the so-called evidence against the JP was the invention of RACISTS!   Hence, my faith in him was restored.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/moseneke-the-mg-and-judicial-ethics/#comment-22069</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ishmael

&quot;There is something judicially wrong about a judge actively squashing oygen in a boardrooom.&quot;

On this point I agree 100%.</description>
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<p>&#8220;There is something judicially wrong about a judge actively squashing oygen in a boardrooom.&#8221;</p>
<p>On this point I agree 100%.</p>
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		<title>By: King Zwakala</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/moseneke-the-mg-and-judicial-ethics/#comment-22067</link>
		<dc:creator>King Zwakala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Judge Moseneke is one of those judges regarded in certain quarters as one of the best legal minds South Africa has ever had since the dawn of a democratic state in South Africa. The expose by the MG of Moseneke’s dealings has made me worried. It is like- I felt betrayed. It was a like a situation whereby you defend someone’s integrity but only to be let down by evidence in the end.

I think Professor was too quick to exonerate Judge Moseneke from any possible flouting of judicial ethics but chose to be a little bit disingenuous. Instead of admitting that Moseneke may have flouted some of the said judicial ethics Professor opted to reduce the possible flouting to Moseneke having made unwise decisions.

As a point of departure in this debate we need to note that Moseneke and his family trust are connected persons. Some of the components of the standard definition of a connected person in relation to a natural person are as follows:
i)          any relative; and
ii)         any trust of which such natural person or such relative is a beneficiary;

In this case Moseneke or his children or family is said to be the beneficiary or beneficiaries. Whatever the case may be, the scenario points it out that Moseneke and his family trust are connected persons. And it would have been worse if Moseneke is also a trustee of the family trust because in that way he would, in my view, be occupying an executive position.

According to the reports, the family trust is active and is currently pursuing business opportunities. Clearly, the family trust is enriching or seeking to enrich itself and by implication Judge Moseneke. Therefore the first question that has not been answered is: on the basis that they are connected persons, has Judge Moseneke disclosed the family trust and its activities to the employer?

Secondly it is well accepted in many quarters that doing business comes along with an inherent characteristic of allegations of impropriety. As the family trust, according to reports, is active and is seeking business opportunities, it is clear therefore that allegations will emerge, as they have emerged according to MG, which will smear the family trust and Judge Moseneke for being a connected person to the trust. The consequence of this is that the income that the family trust generates for the benefit of Moseneke or his relatives will be tainted in the eyes of the public and thus be income that is incompatible with the judicial office.

In my view thus professor should not have said Moseneke was simply unwise in creating the family trust pursuing business but should have been bold enough to say Moseneke may have actually flouted the judicial ethics.

What the MG missed out in its analysis is the concept of a connected person. The reported denials by the judge during the interviews are a cause for concern, given that he should have disclosed the family trust as it is a connected person. 

I think Professor in this particular case has been the victim of prejudice for his admiration of Judge Moseneke. We all like the judge but objectivity should remain paramount. My conclusion is that a lot more of an investigation needs to be done before one can form a proper opinion about Judge Moseneke and his business dealings. Having said, that I see a firm possibility of impeachment here, if I may use Professor’s approach to legal issues. The JSC will have tough time. I rest my case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Judge Moseneke is one of those judges regarded in certain quarters as one of the best legal minds South Africa has ever had since the dawn of a democratic state in South Africa. The expose by the MG of Moseneke’s dealings has made me worried. It is like- I felt betrayed. It was a like a situation whereby you defend someone’s integrity but only to be let down by evidence in the end.</p>
<p>I think Professor was too quick to exonerate Judge Moseneke from any possible flouting of judicial ethics but chose to be a little bit disingenuous. Instead of admitting that Moseneke may have flouted some of the said judicial ethics Professor opted to reduce the possible flouting to Moseneke having made unwise decisions.</p>
<p>As a point of departure in this debate we need to note that Moseneke and his family trust are connected persons. Some of the components of the standard definition of a connected person in relation to a natural person are as follows:<br />
i)          any relative; and<br />
ii)         any trust of which such natural person or such relative is a beneficiary;</p>
<p>In this case Moseneke or his children or family is said to be the beneficiary or beneficiaries. Whatever the case may be, the scenario points it out that Moseneke and his family trust are connected persons. And it would have been worse if Moseneke is also a trustee of the family trust because in that way he would, in my view, be occupying an executive position.</p>
<p>According to the reports, the family trust is active and is currently pursuing business opportunities. Clearly, the family trust is enriching or seeking to enrich itself and by implication Judge Moseneke. Therefore the first question that has not been answered is: on the basis that they are connected persons, has Judge Moseneke disclosed the family trust and its activities to the employer?</p>
<p>Secondly it is well accepted in many quarters that doing business comes along with an inherent characteristic of allegations of impropriety. As the family trust, according to reports, is active and is seeking business opportunities, it is clear therefore that allegations will emerge, as they have emerged according to MG, which will smear the family trust and Judge Moseneke for being a connected person to the trust. The consequence of this is that the income that the family trust generates for the benefit of Moseneke or his relatives will be tainted in the eyes of the public and thus be income that is incompatible with the judicial office.</p>
<p>In my view thus professor should not have said Moseneke was simply unwise in creating the family trust pursuing business but should have been bold enough to say Moseneke may have actually flouted the judicial ethics.</p>
<p>What the MG missed out in its analysis is the concept of a connected person. The reported denials by the judge during the interviews are a cause for concern, given that he should have disclosed the family trust as it is a connected person. </p>
<p>I think Professor in this particular case has been the victim of prejudice for his admiration of Judge Moseneke. We all like the judge but objectivity should remain paramount. My conclusion is that a lot more of an investigation needs to be done before one can form a proper opinion about Judge Moseneke and his business dealings. Having said, that I see a firm possibility of impeachment here, if I may use Professor’s approach to legal issues. The JSC will have tough time. I rest my case.</p>
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		<title>By: ISHMAEL MALALE</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/moseneke-the-mg-and-judicial-ethics/#comment-22066</link>
		<dc:creator>ISHMAEL MALALE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maggs Naido,  Exactly now I am going to attend a Committee meeting to enforce accoutability for state entities! It was a good debate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggs Naido,  Exactly now I am going to attend a Committee meeting to enforce accoutability for state entities! It was a good debate</p>
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		<title>By: Maggs Naidu</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/moseneke-the-mg-and-judicial-ethics/#comment-22065</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggs Naidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ISHMAEL MALALE says:
November 17, 2009 at 9:30 am

:).

Doctor Malale indeed.

Out of the shovel, the spade slowly emerges!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ISHMAEL MALALE says:<br />
November 17, 2009 at 9:30 am</p>
<p> <img src='http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>Doctor Malale indeed.</p>
<p>Out of the shovel, the spade slowly emerges!</p>
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		<title>By: ISHMAEL MALALE</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/moseneke-the-mg-and-judicial-ethics/#comment-22064</link>
		<dc:creator>ISHMAEL MALALE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Para 3 of my main cast and first sentence of para 4 reflect my proposition.</description>
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		<title>By: ISHMAEL MALALE</title>
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		<dc:creator>ISHMAEL MALALE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maggs Naido 9:14

You are dead wrong. You must realise my point that I think there is something judicially wrong about a judge actively squashing oygen in a boardrooom to proffer legal wisdom to advance private profit accumulation for a trust which directly or indirectly benefits him, his family or even a friend. 

The other elements are my own scornful indiscretions. I will gleefully accept the honourary doctoral certificate for exceptional double speak though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggs Naido 9:14</p>
<p>You are dead wrong. You must realise my point that I think there is something judicially wrong about a judge actively squashing oygen in a boardrooom to proffer legal wisdom to advance private profit accumulation for a trust which directly or indirectly benefits him, his family or even a friend. </p>
<p>The other elements are my own scornful indiscretions. I will gleefully accept the honourary doctoral certificate for exceptional double speak though!</p>
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