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		<title>By: Sue &#124; African Housing</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/mpshe-was-wrong-to-drop-zuma-charges-says-plagiarised-judge/#comment-14477</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue &#124; African Housing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 08:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am i full agreement with you that Zuma did indeed leave Mbeki out of his speech and that he is indeed bitter about how things were done in the past. So here is to hopefully a better government in the future, for all our sakes. I still strongly feel that he should have gone to court instead of having his case dropped it still doesn&#039;t make anyone believe that he is innocent or guilty and for me its answer that really needs to be addressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am i full agreement with you that Zuma did indeed leave Mbeki out of his speech and that he is indeed bitter about how things were done in the past. So here is to hopefully a better government in the future, for all our sakes. I still strongly feel that he should have gone to court instead of having his case dropped it still doesn&#8217;t make anyone believe that he is innocent or guilty and for me its answer that really needs to be addressed.</p>
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		<title>By: MFB</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/mpshe-was-wrong-to-drop-zuma-charges-says-plagiarised-judge/#comment-14191</link>
		<dc:creator>MFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 13:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing which puzzles me. Mpshe is not so much of a fool that he absolutely had to suck his spiel off the Web. There is plenty of legal boilerplate around. It&#039;s almost as if he was announcing that he was not taking his decision seriously. A bit like signing a police statement after being beaten, and then writing &quot;Under duress&quot; in the corner, where the cops don&#039;t notice until the trial comes up and someone points it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing which puzzles me. Mpshe is not so much of a fool that he absolutely had to suck his spiel off the Web. There is plenty of legal boilerplate around. It&#8217;s almost as if he was announcing that he was not taking his decision seriously. A bit like signing a police statement after being beaten, and then writing &#8220;Under duress&#8221; in the corner, where the cops don&#8217;t notice until the trial comes up and someone points it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Atkins</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/mpshe-was-wrong-to-drop-zuma-charges-says-plagiarised-judge/#comment-14189</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Atkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 06:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prof,

I will be very interested to see whether the PAJA argument holds, but I presume that cannot be the only leg to stand on.  Intuitively,the Mpshe decision was more &quot;executive&quot; than &quot;admnistrative&quot;, but then working from a plain man&#039;s sense of fair play, your point that Mpshe acted ultra vires is pretty plain.

However, I feel that there is a constitutional argument here as well, albeit slightly derived.  It is the Constitution that discusses the requirements, not only of freedom from &quot;fea or favour&quot;, but also of the need to act in accordance with prodecutorial policy.

As you have so clearly enunciated, it would be very hard to demonstrate that any policy was adhered to.  That there wasno reference to the Policy in Mpshe&#039;s statement is a good clue, but I think that he would find it difficult to argue that he had real (but unstated) motivated grounded in the Policy.  Although, maybe Kemp J Kemp could come up with something creative....

And the if one reads the reasoning advanced, it is quite easy to argue that there is no rational connection between the &quot;reasons&quot; advanced and the decision made (no actual prejudice suffered, bette left to a judge, using a sledgehammer to adjust a drawing pin on a noticeboard, etc, etc).  If there is no rational connectuion between the reasons advanced and the decision taken, then the ACTUAL reason for making the decisio must have been something else.  Something undeclared.  And if this is the case, then on a preponderance of probabilities, this reason must have had to do with either &quot;fear&quot; or &quot;favour&quot;.  Hence the decision is uncostitutional.

Of course, I am ruling out the notion that the decision was not rationally taken, that it was arbitrary (like the result of tossing a coin) - this would likewise be easily shown to be unconstitutional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof,</p>
<p>I will be very interested to see whether the PAJA argument holds, but I presume that cannot be the only leg to stand on.  Intuitively,the Mpshe decision was more &#8220;executive&#8221; than &#8220;admnistrative&#8221;, but then working from a plain man&#8217;s sense of fair play, your point that Mpshe acted ultra vires is pretty plain.</p>
<p>However, I feel that there is a constitutional argument here as well, albeit slightly derived.  It is the Constitution that discusses the requirements, not only of freedom from &#8220;fea or favour&#8221;, but also of the need to act in accordance with prodecutorial policy.</p>
<p>As you have so clearly enunciated, it would be very hard to demonstrate that any policy was adhered to.  That there wasno reference to the Policy in Mpshe&#8217;s statement is a good clue, but I think that he would find it difficult to argue that he had real (but unstated) motivated grounded in the Policy.  Although, maybe Kemp J Kemp could come up with something creative&#8230;.</p>
<p>And the if one reads the reasoning advanced, it is quite easy to argue that there is no rational connection between the &#8220;reasons&#8221; advanced and the decision made (no actual prejudice suffered, bette left to a judge, using a sledgehammer to adjust a drawing pin on a noticeboard, etc, etc).  If there is no rational connectuion between the reasons advanced and the decision taken, then the ACTUAL reason for making the decisio must have been something else.  Something undeclared.  And if this is the case, then on a preponderance of probabilities, this reason must have had to do with either &#8220;fear&#8221; or &#8220;favour&#8221;.  Hence the decision is uncostitutional.</p>
<p>Of course, I am ruling out the notion that the decision was not rationally taken, that it was arbitrary (like the result of tossing a coin) &#8211; this would likewise be easily shown to be unconstitutional.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 15:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had the rather interesting experience of being in Washington DC shortly before the USA invaded Iraq. It was pretty clear Bush Jnr wanted to go, and even those opposed to invasion were going &quot;If we go, we&#039;ll back the President.&quot;

The strong argument against invasion had little to do with the cause to invade; it was the absence of an exit strategy. All other elements for a successful campaign were in place, just this rather annoying detail.

The rest is history. After a sharp and very successful campaign, the USA is still stuck in Iraq without any clear exit strategy.

I can&#039;t help wondering if Jacob Zuma isn&#039;t going to find himself in a similar situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the rather interesting experience of being in Washington DC shortly before the USA invaded Iraq. It was pretty clear Bush Jnr wanted to go, and even those opposed to invasion were going &#8220;If we go, we&#8217;ll back the President.&#8221;</p>
<p>The strong argument against invasion had little to do with the cause to invade; it was the absence of an exit strategy. All other elements for a successful campaign were in place, just this rather annoying detail.</p>
<p>The rest is history. After a sharp and very successful campaign, the USA is still stuck in Iraq without any clear exit strategy.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help wondering if Jacob Zuma isn&#8217;t going to find himself in a similar situation.</p>
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		<title>By: mili</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/mpshe-was-wrong-to-drop-zuma-charges-says-plagiarised-judge/#comment-14176</link>
		<dc:creator>mili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 13:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pierre De Vos // May 8, 2009 at 2:20 pm

&#039;...retention of cabinet Ministers who were not up to the task...&#039;

And under Zuma, the instatement of cabinet ministers who is supposed to be in jail. 


Still I cant choose between the incompetence under Mbeki or the Criminals under Zuma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pierre De Vos // May 8, 2009 at 2:20 pm</p>
<p>&#8216;&#8230;retention of cabinet Ministers who were not up to the task&#8230;&#8217;</p>
<p>And under Zuma, the instatement of cabinet ministers who is supposed to be in jail. </p>
<p>Still I cant choose between the incompetence under Mbeki or the Criminals under Zuma.</p>
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		<title>By: Clara</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/mpshe-was-wrong-to-drop-zuma-charges-says-plagiarised-judge/#comment-14175</link>
		<dc:creator>Clara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 12:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mpho - The DA&#039;s court case ... hmmm ... that was supposed to be scheduled for June. You know, our courts, bizzi-bizzi-bizzi. My personal feeling is that it will be quietly swept under someone&#039;s carpet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mpho &#8211; The DA&#8217;s court case &#8230; hmmm &#8230; that was supposed to be scheduled for June. You know, our courts, bizzi-bizzi-bizzi. My personal feeling is that it will be quietly swept under someone&#8217;s carpet.</p>
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		<title>By: Gill Moodie</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/mpshe-was-wrong-to-drop-zuma-charges-says-plagiarised-judge/#comment-14174</link>
		<dc:creator>Gill Moodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 12:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm. Very interesting. Thanks, Pierre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. Very interesting. Thanks, Pierre.</p>
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		<title>By: Clara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 12:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; ... a continued act of political war, to be waged bitterly and to the end.&quot;

Beneath the reconciliatory smiles and honeyed tones, there lurks a very bitter man indeed. That much is quite clear. Zuma is bitter, and he&#039;s out for revenge. To those who don&#039;t believe that: wait and see. The people of South Africa will have to wait a little longer for that better life. For now, Zuma has other things to take care of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; &#8230; a continued act of political war, to be waged bitterly and to the end.&#8221;</p>
<p>Beneath the reconciliatory smiles and honeyed tones, there lurks a very bitter man indeed. That much is quite clear. Zuma is bitter, and he&#8217;s out for revenge. To those who don&#8217;t believe that: wait and see. The people of South Africa will have to wait a little longer for that better life. For now, Zuma has other things to take care of.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre De Vos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre De Vos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 12:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vuyo, saw the Mail and Guardian pieces. You are of course correct - as the Mail &amp; Guardian points out - that we should remember the good things Mbeki did. We should, however, not forget the disasters either (including HIV/AIDS) and the retention of cabinet Ministers who were not up to the task. I for one would be surprised if anyone had absolutely clean hands in this &quot;fight to the death&quot; between Mbeki and Zuma. Neither side was covered in glory - or so it seems to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vuyo, saw the Mail and Guardian pieces. You are of course correct &#8211; as the Mail &#038; Guardian points out &#8211; that we should remember the good things Mbeki did. We should, however, not forget the disasters either (including HIV/AIDS) and the retention of cabinet Ministers who were not up to the task. I for one would be surprised if anyone had absolutely clean hands in this &#8220;fight to the death&#8221; between Mbeki and Zuma. Neither side was covered in glory &#8211; or so it seems to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Pierre De Vos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre De Vos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 12:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gill, the legal issue in any review of Mpshe&#039;s decision will probably centre around two questions: (1) When the NPA drops charges is this decision &quot;administrative action&quot; in terms of PAJA (administrative law) and if so, was the decision of Mphse justified in terms of PAJA. (2) Regardless of whether PAJA apply, did Mpshe follow the prosecution policy when he dropped the charges or did he act ultra vires (outside the law) by not following the policy to which he is constitutionally and legally bound.

Neither question will be answered definitively with reference to the Hong Kong case as SA law will apply. But the reasons given by Mphse will be the starting point for either enquiry and could help to show that he did not act legally when he dropped charges, either because he misconstrued the legal rules or failed to follow the legal rules to which he was bound. So although these revelations are highly embarrassing to Mpshe and the NPA I am not sure it will have direct legal application although it might help to show that Mpshe did not act in accordance with the law when he made the decision and could be of some persuasive value in any case brought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gill, the legal issue in any review of Mpshe&#8217;s decision will probably centre around two questions: (1) When the NPA drops charges is this decision &#8220;administrative action&#8221; in terms of PAJA (administrative law) and if so, was the decision of Mphse justified in terms of PAJA. (2) Regardless of whether PAJA apply, did Mpshe follow the prosecution policy when he dropped the charges or did he act ultra vires (outside the law) by not following the policy to which he is constitutionally and legally bound.</p>
<p>Neither question will be answered definitively with reference to the Hong Kong case as SA law will apply. But the reasons given by Mphse will be the starting point for either enquiry and could help to show that he did not act legally when he dropped charges, either because he misconstrued the legal rules or failed to follow the legal rules to which he was bound. So although these revelations are highly embarrassing to Mpshe and the NPA I am not sure it will have direct legal application although it might help to show that Mpshe did not act in accordance with the law when he made the decision and could be of some persuasive value in any case brought.</p>
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