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		<title>By: Gwebecimele</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/mpshes-appointment-scandalous-attack-on-independence-of-the-judiciary/#comment-25224</link>
		<dc:creator>Gwebecimele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is interesting that an Acting Attorney-General is unfit to be an Acting Judge, what sorts of standards are involved there. I do not support Mphse for any posistion, merely because he is not the sharpest tool in the shed but I am trying to find logic and consistency behind this noise. Until we start seeing things for what they are we will have difficulties in drumming up support for a good cause. Our actions and incoherent selection of easy targets will create unnecessary resistance on many of the good efforts we embark upon.

Let us use the same yardstick on all involved irrespective of race, gender, background, citizenship etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting that an Acting Attorney-General is unfit to be an Acting Judge, what sorts of standards are involved there. I do not support Mphse for any posistion, merely because he is not the sharpest tool in the shed but I am trying to find logic and consistency behind this noise. Until we start seeing things for what they are we will have difficulties in drumming up support for a good cause. Our actions and incoherent selection of easy targets will create unnecessary resistance on many of the good efforts we embark upon.</p>
<p>Let us use the same yardstick on all involved irrespective of race, gender, background, citizenship etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Ehud Olmert</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/mpshes-appointment-scandalous-attack-on-independence-of-the-judiciary/#comment-25177</link>
		<dc:creator>Ehud Olmert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett Nortje says:February 11, 2010 at 12:11 pmThere is one important point that Gwebecimele made that is being lost in the static.Where we have service delivery riots: What do the cops do? How do they act?It seems that the ANC-SAPS has the idea that black people can only be policed with a great deal of coercion and force. Will their style of policing become indistinct from that of the SAP?That spells doom. There goes the rights culture and the idea of constitutionalism.
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I am troubled to point out but the above comment has unfortunate basis ergo point of discussions in its entirely&gt; what is more distressing is that it speaks of ANC-SAP(S) &gt; As this topic of discussion suggests that the independence of the judiciary is constantly threatened by uninformed decision making and mismanagement at all levels. I believe as SA we have lost the plot &gt; From a rainbow nation with promise, a culture of forgiveness guided by a constitution with a vision, we have submerged ourselves in the insignia of a  gun totting , xenophobic ,violent ,  philandering , criminal society in all its bounty  &amp; @ all levels in SA from the salt of the earth sort to the  high flyers to the fat cat bureaucrats  in Government. 

As pointed out by &quot;Dworkin&quot; , perhaps the answer lies in the fact that we should focus on racism and &quot;it&quot; will eventually &quot;go away&quot;. 

Perhaps the transition to a peaceful democracy was far to fast to emulate the visions by some (mandela) retrospectively should anarchy have reigned 20 yrs ago wonder where would have been now? 

Instead of &quot; the irony of figures in SA we achieved and still maintaining a WEE of more than 80% ownership and control of all sectors except for the TAXI AND TRADITIONAL HEALING.”??

 Would have possibly been @ 100% ownership now? Ownership? Must look at the legal definition there! And while a living icon in the midst can only be used in a crisis to forgo adversity I cant but help to note that the icon has now become the symbol of the only pejorative term I can conger up &quot;a Banana Republic&quot; And while some profess to be liberated, without brand or tags and blissful with the current dispensation yet contradicting themselves at every point, my only response to all is the Fucking white man has power &amp; will continue so over all!! I respectfully rest &amp; have nothing further to add here!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett Nortje says:February 11, 2010 at 12:11 pmThere is one important point that Gwebecimele made that is being lost in the static.Where we have service delivery riots: What do the cops do? How do they act?It seems that the ANC-SAPS has the idea that black people can only be policed with a great deal of coercion and force. Will their style of policing become indistinct from that of the SAP?That spells doom. There goes the rights culture and the idea of constitutionalism.<br />
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I am troubled to point out but the above comment has unfortunate basis ergo point of discussions in its entirely&gt; what is more distressing is that it speaks of ANC-SAP(S) &gt; As this topic of discussion suggests that the independence of the judiciary is constantly threatened by uninformed decision making and mismanagement at all levels. I believe as SA we have lost the plot &gt; From a rainbow nation with promise, a culture of forgiveness guided by a constitution with a vision, we have submerged ourselves in the insignia of a  gun totting , xenophobic ,violent ,  philandering , criminal society in all its bounty  &amp; @ all levels in SA from the salt of the earth sort to the  high flyers to the fat cat bureaucrats  in Government. </p>
<p>As pointed out by &#8220;Dworkin&#8221; , perhaps the answer lies in the fact that we should focus on racism and &#8220;it&#8221; will eventually &#8220;go away&#8221;. </p>
<p>Perhaps the transition to a peaceful democracy was far to fast to emulate the visions by some (mandela) retrospectively should anarchy have reigned 20 yrs ago wonder where would have been now? </p>
<p>Instead of &#8221; the irony of figures in SA we achieved and still maintaining a WEE of more than 80% ownership and control of all sectors except for the TAXI AND TRADITIONAL HEALING.”??</p>
<p> Would have possibly been @ 100% ownership now? Ownership? Must look at the legal definition there! And while a living icon in the midst can only be used in a crisis to forgo adversity I cant but help to note that the icon has now become the symbol of the only pejorative term I can conger up &#8220;a Banana Republic&#8221; And while some profess to be liberated, without brand or tags and blissful with the current dispensation yet contradicting themselves at every point, my only response to all is the Fucking white man has power &amp; will continue so over all!! I respectfully rest &amp; have nothing further to add here!</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Nortje</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/mpshes-appointment-scandalous-attack-on-independence-of-the-judiciary/#comment-25117</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Nortje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is one important point that Gwebecimele made that is being lost in the static.

Where we have service delivery riots: What do the cops do? How do they act?
It seems that the ANC-SAPS has the idea that black people can only be policed with a great deal of coercion and force. Will their style of policing become indistinct from that of the SAP?

That spells doom. There goes the rights culture and the idea of constitutionalism.

Public officials are never there, unresponsive,  inefficient, arrogant? All of the above?
&quot;Promises have been made to the people and their patience was stretched&quot;

Davies&#039; J-Curve again. High expectations. Unmet promises. Frustration aggression. Explosions of anger.

Two important issues raised in this blog are being obfuscated: the independence of the judiciary and credibility-building by institutions. What is the general picture that is being formed? DO people believe in their institutions or are we shortly going to face another crisis of legitimacy (not JZ&#039;s baby!)

Once again the ANC is letting the country down.

AND the SAPS? Are they playing with matches on a powder-keg?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is one important point that Gwebecimele made that is being lost in the static.</p>
<p>Where we have service delivery riots: What do the cops do? How do they act?<br />
It seems that the ANC-SAPS has the idea that black people can only be policed with a great deal of coercion and force. Will their style of policing become indistinct from that of the SAP?</p>
<p>That spells doom. There goes the rights culture and the idea of constitutionalism.</p>
<p>Public officials are never there, unresponsive,  inefficient, arrogant? All of the above?<br />
&#8220;Promises have been made to the people and their patience was stretched&#8221;</p>
<p>Davies&#8217; J-Curve again. High expectations. Unmet promises. Frustration aggression. Explosions of anger.</p>
<p>Two important issues raised in this blog are being obfuscated: the independence of the judiciary and credibility-building by institutions. What is the general picture that is being formed? DO people believe in their institutions or are we shortly going to face another crisis of legitimacy (not JZ&#8217;s baby!)</p>
<p>Once again the ANC is letting the country down.</p>
<p>AND the SAPS? Are they playing with matches on a powder-keg?</p>
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		<title>By: Gwebecimele</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/mpshes-appointment-scandalous-attack-on-independence-of-the-judiciary/#comment-25110</link>
		<dc:creator>Gwebecimele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ehud.

I guess we need to deploy you in Zim and you wil receive free lessons.
I have no doubt they will sort you out.</description>
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<p>I guess we need to deploy you in Zim and you wil receive free lessons.<br />
I have no doubt they will sort you out.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggs Naidu</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/mpshes-appointment-scandalous-attack-on-independence-of-the-judiciary/#comment-25107</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggs Naidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ehud Olmert says:
February 11, 2010 at 9:31 am

&quot;@ Chris I too am totally confucked&quot;

:)

So it seems!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ehud Olmert says:<br />
February 11, 2010 at 9:31 am</p>
<p>&#8220;@ Chris I too am totally confucked&#8221;</p>
<p> <img src='http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So it seems!</p>
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		<title>By: Ehud Olmert</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/mpshes-appointment-scandalous-attack-on-independence-of-the-judiciary/#comment-25106</link>
		<dc:creator>Ehud Olmert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Expressing strong views is neither disloyal nor unpatriotic – in my view the opposite is true.
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The argument that the apartheid government did worse is, for the lack of a better expression, simply sick.
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This administration was supposed to fix up the kak, not emulate it.

How long is it going to be before all that we are left with is to compare ourselves with the lawless Somalia or the like?
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I do not support racism and oppression. I support equality, fairness, justice and RESPONSIBLE citizenship.
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Speak for yourself, I have no intention getting over the racial categorisation, not for now. I support the intention race based policies to address the imbalances of the past.

I do not support racism and oppression. I support equality, fairness, justice and RESPONSIBLE citizenship.

You missed my point. It is never acceptable for a white person to call a black person a coconut but a black might get away with it.

You have answered yourself, ” You do not know how black man infront of a white man.” So you do not have the experience, step aside.

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@ Chris I too am totally confucked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expressing strong views is neither disloyal nor unpatriotic – in my view the opposite is true.<br />
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The argument that the apartheid government did worse is, for the lack of a better expression, simply sick.<br />
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<p>This administration was supposed to fix up the kak, not emulate it.</p>
<p>How long is it going to be before all that we are left with is to compare ourselves with the lawless Somalia or the like?<br />
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I do not support racism and oppression. I support equality, fairness, justice and RESPONSIBLE citizenship.<br />
_________________________________________________</p>
<p>Speak for yourself, I have no intention getting over the racial categorisation, not for now. I support the intention race based policies to address the imbalances of the past.</p>
<p>I do not support racism and oppression. I support equality, fairness, justice and RESPONSIBLE citizenship.</p>
<p>You missed my point. It is never acceptable for a white person to call a black person a coconut but a black might get away with it.</p>
<p>You have answered yourself, ” You do not know how black man infront of a white man.” So you do not have the experience, step aside.</p>
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<p>@ Chris I too am totally confucked.</p>
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		<title>By: Gwebecimele</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/mpshes-appointment-scandalous-attack-on-independence-of-the-judiciary/#comment-25102</link>
		<dc:creator>Gwebecimele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Chris

I do not support racism and oppression. I support equality, fairness, justice and RESPONSIBLE citizenship.  
 
You missed my point. It is never acceptable for a white person to call a black person a coconut but a black might get away with it. 
I did not say racism should be directed at white people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Chris</p>
<p>I do not support racism and oppression. I support equality, fairness, justice and RESPONSIBLE citizenship.  </p>
<p>You missed my point. It is never acceptable for a white person to call a black person a coconut but a black might get away with it.<br />
I did not say racism should be directed at white people.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/mpshes-appointment-scandalous-attack-on-independence-of-the-judiciary/#comment-25100</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 06:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gwebecimele says: 
February 10, 2010 at 11:32 am

In other words, you say racism is fine, as long as its aimed agains white people. I think its absolutely sick!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gwebecimele says:<br />
February 10, 2010 at 11:32 am</p>
<p>In other words, you say racism is fine, as long as its aimed agains white people. I think its absolutely sick!</p>
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		<title>By: Maggs Naidu</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/mpshes-appointment-scandalous-attack-on-independence-of-the-judiciary/#comment-25080</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggs Naidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ehud olmert says:
February 10, 2010 at 12:52 pm

&quot;I tend to live above my challenging circumstances &amp; not in a box like others&quot;

I do hope that you will acknowledge that your ability to rise above that which life hands out was in part influenced by the extraordinary familial and social circumstances which very few people are fortunate to experience.

Your uniqueness to &quot;live above my challenging circumstances&quot;, while impressive and inspiring, should hopefully enable you to understand why others are confined to pretty regular lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ehud olmert says:<br />
February 10, 2010 at 12:52 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;I tend to live above my challenging circumstances &amp; not in a box like others&#8221;</p>
<p>I do hope that you will acknowledge that your ability to rise above that which life hands out was in part influenced by the extraordinary familial and social circumstances which very few people are fortunate to experience.</p>
<p>Your uniqueness to &#8220;live above my challenging circumstances&#8221;, while impressive and inspiring, should hopefully enable you to understand why others are confined to pretty regular lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Ehud Olmert</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/mpshes-appointment-scandalous-attack-on-independence-of-the-judiciary/#comment-25068</link>
		<dc:creator>Ehud Olmert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 12:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>corridors of the mind ; Gwembecile ! try it some time ..

hate harbors hate&gt;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>corridors of the mind ; Gwembecile ! try it some time ..</p>
<p>hate harbors hate&gt;&gt;</p>
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