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	<title>Comments on: New York Times: Holiday of white conquest persists in South Africa</title>
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		<title>By: laura</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/new-york-times-holiday-of-white-conquest-persists-in-south-africa/#comment-55928</link>
		<dc:creator>laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 10:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please could someone explain to me - born and bred South African now living in Europe - why is it NOT right for the Afrikaaner to Celebrate this day but OK for Americans and Canadians to celebrate Thanksgiving??????????  

I really can&#039;t understand the difference.

and what&#039;s more - there were MANY MORE Native poeple settled in north america, than there were afrikans settled in southern Africa....

not that that makes what the Afrikaaner celebrates ok.

NO!!!!

But i just want to know why it is that what happened in North America and celebrating the day of THANKGIVING - is OK????

I would appreciate it.... thank you so much!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please could someone explain to me &#8211; born and bred South African now living in Europe &#8211; why is it NOT right for the Afrikaaner to Celebrate this day but OK for Americans and Canadians to celebrate Thanksgiving??????????  </p>
<p>I really can&#8217;t understand the difference.</p>
<p>and what&#8217;s more &#8211; there were MANY MORE Native poeple settled in north america, than there were afrikans settled in southern Africa&#8230;.</p>
<p>not that that makes what the Afrikaaner celebrates ok.</p>
<p>NO!!!!</p>
<p>But i just want to know why it is that what happened in North America and celebrating the day of THANKGIVING &#8211; is OK????</p>
<p>I would appreciate it&#8230;. thank you so much!!</p>
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		<title>By: Enrique</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/new-york-times-holiday-of-white-conquest-persists-in-south-africa/#comment-30740</link>
		<dc:creator>Enrique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 23:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also it is interesting pointing out that descendants of Dutcht settlers, who arrived to Africa at the same time as the English to America, were the first ones to call themselves &quot;AFRICANS&quot; (Afrikaners) the same way as descendants of English settlers were the first to call themselves &quot;AMERICANS&quot; as both &quot;Africa&quot; and &quot;America&quot; are European concepts alien to the Native population: sioux, cheyenne, cherokee, zulues, xhosa, tswans...all the native tribes never used the term &quot;African&quot; or &quot;American&quot;. Only white settlers used that term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also it is interesting pointing out that descendants of Dutcht settlers, who arrived to Africa at the same time as the English to America, were the first ones to call themselves &#8220;AFRICANS&#8221; (Afrikaners) the same way as descendants of English settlers were the first to call themselves &#8220;AMERICANS&#8221; as both &#8220;Africa&#8221; and &#8220;America&#8221; are European concepts alien to the Native population: sioux, cheyenne, cherokee, zulues, xhosa, tswans&#8230;all the native tribes never used the term &#8220;African&#8221; or &#8220;American&#8221;. Only white settlers used that term.</p>
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		<title>By: Enrique</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/new-york-times-holiday-of-white-conquest-persists-in-south-africa/#comment-30739</link>
		<dc:creator>Enrique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2010 23:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only difference between South Africa and America or Australia is that in America and Australia there was enough white immigration to assimilate the territory while in South Africa immigration was small and only the present provinces of Western and Northern Cape were assimilated and a European language, culture and population (white and mixed) prevail...while the rest of South Africa is every day more bantu.

In South America there is also a clear difference between Argentina, which was assimilated by Europeans, and Bolviia, which still boasts a Native majority and a great part of the population speak in native languages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only difference between South Africa and America or Australia is that in America and Australia there was enough white immigration to assimilate the territory while in South Africa immigration was small and only the present provinces of Western and Northern Cape were assimilated and a European language, culture and population (white and mixed) prevail&#8230;while the rest of South Africa is every day more bantu.</p>
<p>In South America there is also a clear difference between Argentina, which was assimilated by Europeans, and Bolviia, which still boasts a Native majority and a great part of the population speak in native languages.</p>
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		<title>By: Sherwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sherwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, thank you for an insightful piece on Afrikaner and boer history. As an Afrikaner (and boer, I now realise) I am proud to relaise that some factual history is out there confirming my suspisions that we have always and still are succking the hind tit when it comes to receiving recognition for reconciliation and receiving as little as an apology from the pompous English for wiping out half our nation. As far as blacks are concerned, I know that for generations my family treated them with respect within the confines of what the British colonialists and subsequently the apartheid government allowed. I hope and pray that it may one day be politically correct to give the boers and Afrikaners their rightful recognition and place in this country, before it goes to ruin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, thank you for an insightful piece on Afrikaner and boer history. As an Afrikaner (and boer, I now realise) I am proud to relaise that some factual history is out there confirming my suspisions that we have always and still are succking the hind tit when it comes to receiving recognition for reconciliation and receiving as little as an apology from the pompous English for wiping out half our nation. As far as blacks are concerned, I know that for generations my family treated them with respect within the confines of what the British colonialists and subsequently the apartheid government allowed. I hope and pray that it may one day be politically correct to give the boers and Afrikaners their rightful recognition and place in this country, before it goes to ruin.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron.</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/new-york-times-holiday-of-white-conquest-persists-in-south-africa/#comment-23594</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 03:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first problem with this article of course is the obvious perpetuation of the Afrikaner appropriation of Boer history as this vow &amp; entire event is part of Boer history while the yet to be named Afrikaners of the Western Cape ridiculed the Boers of the frontier for wanting to &quot;leave civilization behind&quot; &amp; thought that their trekking migrations into the interior [ later called the Great Trek by Afrikaner historians who used this event as part of a regiment to appropriate &amp; co-opt the conquered Boer people ] would amount to nothing or would all end up dead. The Boer people are an anthropologically distinct ethno cultural group / entity from the bulk of the macro Afrikaner population. This is because the Boers are the direct descendents of the Trekboers who began to trek inland starting during the late 1600s &amp; all throughout the 1700s. [ 1 ] While the vast majority of the macro group called Afrikaners was descended from the Afrikaans speakers who developed in the south western Cape region &amp; were often known as the Cape Dutch. [ 2 ] Afrikaans author Brian Du Toit [ French surname as the Afrikaans peoples are significantly descended from French Huguenots ] notes on page 1 of his book: [ 3 ] The Boers in East Africa: Ethnicity and Identity that quote: [ The Boers had a tradition of trekking. Boer society was born on the frontiers of white settlement and on the outskirts of civilization. As members of a frontier society they always had a hinterland, open spaces to conquer, territory to occupy. Their ancestors had moved away from the limiting confines of Cape society to settle the eastern frontier. In time this location became too restricted, and individuals and families moved north across the Orange River. ] The term Boer [ which was shortened from Trekboer ] [ 4 ] was used to describe the pastoral Afrikaans speakers who occupied the eastern Cape frontier during the era of VOC administration at the Cape. While Boers might also occasionally have referred to themselves as &quot;Afrikaners&quot; this was meant as &quot;Africans&quot; as the Boers considered themselves Africans quite early on &amp; cut all ties to Europe back in the late 17th cent [ 5 ] when their Trekboer ancestors trekked away from Colonial society &amp; out of the Western Cape region. The problem is that during the late 19th cent the Cape Dutch began to start calling themselves Afrikaners [ after a language rights movement some of them started in Paarl on the Cape Dutch frontier &amp; the documented capital of Afrikanerdom [ 6 ] at a time when the capital of Boerdom would have been at Pretoria ]  &amp; attempting to seek political alliances with the Boers: most of whom were independent in their internationally recognized Boer Republics [ 7 ] thereby seeking to place the Boers under Cape Dutch Afrikaner domination. 

This attempt was later successful during the brutal aftermath of the Anglo-Boer War in which 50 % of the Boer child population had died in the British concentration camps &amp; many Boers were chased off their farms forced to look for work in the cities where they often encountered Afrikaners. [ 8 ] The program of forcing the Boers to be linked to the Cape Dutch [ what the Afrikaner Nationalists called &quot;uniting&quot; the Afrikaans speakers ] ended up marginalizing the Boers in the process as the Boers are the smaller segment [ 9 ] of the Afrikaans speaking group under such a designation. 

Therefore to keep this tenuous Afrikaans coalition together the Cape Dutch leadership [ which ran the Broederbond ] had to appropriate some key events of Boer history like the Great Trek [ which they named ] &amp; reformulate it to conform to the Afrikaner Nationalist agenda to secure the British created macro State of South Africa while omitting or minimalizing other key events such as their Trekboer origins &amp; the significance of the Boer adoption of the red / white &amp; blue horizontal tri colour at their first Boer Republics in 1795 while the Cape Dutch dominated Afrikaner Nationalists adopted the orange / white &amp; blue horizontal tri colour. 

The Boers were not on a &quot;divine mission&quot; to conquer &amp; this ignorant assessment shows the author as a lazy researcher because the cause of the Great Trek was over British Colonial oppression &amp; the constant Xhosa attacks &amp; killing on Boer farms. The Boers debated what to do &amp; initially decided to trek north until realizing the the dessert conditions were too inhospitable then later decided to trek north east into the depopulated [ due to the Difaqane of Shaka ] regions north of the Orange River. 

This day is in fact a &quot;day of thanksgiving&quot; to those of Boer &amp; Voortrekker [ another term the Afrikaner Nationalists coined as part of a program to appropriate Boer hist ] descent. The Boers would be commemorating it even if they had defeated Germans or British as the race of those who were attempting to wipe them out was not a factor. 

Furthermore: the Boers reconciled with the Zulu when they exchanged rocks of peace in 1840 &amp; gathered again later in 1866 to stack rocks on the Nacome River in a gesture of reconciliation. [ 10 ] It is a crying shame that the Afrikaners had to hijack this sacred Boer event in order to promote their agenda because they have left the false impression to the rest of the world that it was about conquest &amp; that there was no reconciliation. The whole point of this day was about the remembrance of the vow the Boers took to God [ some abstained fearing the consequences [ 11 ] should their descendents break the Vow ] not even about the later battle they won against overwhelming odds. 

This article attempts to portray a false impression with racial income disparity as well. It should be pointed out that the Rapport newspaper noted that 1 million White Afrikaans speakers live under the poverty line now &amp; that this affects the Boer descendents much more as they have traditionally been part of the working class. 

The Boer people are a homegrown ethno cultural people who speak a language historians classified as Eastern Border Afrikaans [ named after the Cape frontier where they developed ] Therefore the Boers are not only under South African occupation but as a result of past Afrikaner colonization are also under Afrikaner domination. 

Notes. 

1. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=aa62&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; South African History at History World. &lt;/a&gt; 

Quote: [ By the 1770s the Dutch nomads have penetrated as far as Graaff-Reinet, some 400 miles northeast of Cape Town. They become known as Trekboers (Dutch for &#039;wandering farmers&#039;), a word subsequently often shortened to Boers. ] 

2. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ucalgary.ca/%7Enurelweb/papers/irving/ELPHINK.htm#_ftnref133&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Christianity in Central Southern Africa Prior to 1910.  &lt;/a&gt; 

Quote: [ The majority of the original white settlers, known as Cape Dutch, or in frontier regions Boers, maintained a nominal loyalty to the Dutch Reformed Church. ] 

3. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&amp;docId=27642806#&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; The Boers in East Africa: Ethnicity and Identity.  Brian M. Du Toit. Page 1. &lt;/a&gt; 

4. Noted also on the Bowdoin College Page. 

5. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commissionforafrica.org/french/consultation/submissions/ro/sb-nov-dec04-068.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; The Devil&#039;s Annexe. A Continent in Agony by Sidney &amp; Shirley Robbins. &lt;/a&gt; 

6. Cecil Rhodes &amp; the Cape Afrikaners by Mordechai Tamarkin. Page 57. 

7. The Story of the Boers by C W van der Hoogt. Page 96. 

8. &lt;a href=&quot;http://web.archive.org/web/20050123033712/http://www.stopboergenocide.com/29301/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Boer / Afrikaner or White: Which are you? by Adriana Stuijt. &lt;/a&gt; 

9. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pology.com/article/051213.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; New Coffins, Old Flags, Microorganisms And The Future of the Boer. &lt;/a&gt; 

10. This was also noted by Pieter Mulder in an address to Parliament in 2005. 

11. The Great Trek. Oliver Ransford. 

Post Script. The history of the Boers is rarely ever told from the perspective of the actual Boer folk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first problem with this article of course is the obvious perpetuation of the Afrikaner appropriation of Boer history as this vow &amp; entire event is part of Boer history while the yet to be named Afrikaners of the Western Cape ridiculed the Boers of the frontier for wanting to &#8220;leave civilization behind&#8221; &amp; thought that their trekking migrations into the interior [ later called the Great Trek by Afrikaner historians who used this event as part of a regiment to appropriate &amp; co-opt the conquered Boer people ] would amount to nothing or would all end up dead. The Boer people are an anthropologically distinct ethno cultural group / entity from the bulk of the macro Afrikaner population. This is because the Boers are the direct descendents of the Trekboers who began to trek inland starting during the late 1600s &amp; all throughout the 1700s. [ 1 ] While the vast majority of the macro group called Afrikaners was descended from the Afrikaans speakers who developed in the south western Cape region &amp; were often known as the Cape Dutch. [ 2 ] Afrikaans author Brian Du Toit [ French surname as the Afrikaans peoples are significantly descended from French Huguenots ] notes on page 1 of his book: [ 3 ] The Boers in East Africa: Ethnicity and Identity that quote: [ The Boers had a tradition of trekking. Boer society was born on the frontiers of white settlement and on the outskirts of civilization. As members of a frontier society they always had a hinterland, open spaces to conquer, territory to occupy. Their ancestors had moved away from the limiting confines of Cape society to settle the eastern frontier. In time this location became too restricted, and individuals and families moved north across the Orange River. ] The term Boer [ which was shortened from Trekboer ] [ 4 ] was used to describe the pastoral Afrikaans speakers who occupied the eastern Cape frontier during the era of VOC administration at the Cape. While Boers might also occasionally have referred to themselves as &#8220;Afrikaners&#8221; this was meant as &#8220;Africans&#8221; as the Boers considered themselves Africans quite early on &amp; cut all ties to Europe back in the late 17th cent [ 5 ] when their Trekboer ancestors trekked away from Colonial society &amp; out of the Western Cape region. The problem is that during the late 19th cent the Cape Dutch began to start calling themselves Afrikaners [ after a language rights movement some of them started in Paarl on the Cape Dutch frontier &amp; the documented capital of Afrikanerdom [ 6 ] at a time when the capital of Boerdom would have been at Pretoria ]  &amp; attempting to seek political alliances with the Boers: most of whom were independent in their internationally recognized Boer Republics [ 7 ] thereby seeking to place the Boers under Cape Dutch Afrikaner domination. </p>
<p>This attempt was later successful during the brutal aftermath of the Anglo-Boer War in which 50 % of the Boer child population had died in the British concentration camps &amp; many Boers were chased off their farms forced to look for work in the cities where they often encountered Afrikaners. [ 8 ] The program of forcing the Boers to be linked to the Cape Dutch [ what the Afrikaner Nationalists called "uniting" the Afrikaans speakers ] ended up marginalizing the Boers in the process as the Boers are the smaller segment [ 9 ] of the Afrikaans speaking group under such a designation. </p>
<p>Therefore to keep this tenuous Afrikaans coalition together the Cape Dutch leadership [ which ran the Broederbond ] had to appropriate some key events of Boer history like the Great Trek [ which they named ] &amp; reformulate it to conform to the Afrikaner Nationalist agenda to secure the British created macro State of South Africa while omitting or minimalizing other key events such as their Trekboer origins &amp; the significance of the Boer adoption of the red / white &amp; blue horizontal tri colour at their first Boer Republics in 1795 while the Cape Dutch dominated Afrikaner Nationalists adopted the orange / white &amp; blue horizontal tri colour. </p>
<p>The Boers were not on a &#8220;divine mission&#8221; to conquer &amp; this ignorant assessment shows the author as a lazy researcher because the cause of the Great Trek was over British Colonial oppression &amp; the constant Xhosa attacks &amp; killing on Boer farms. The Boers debated what to do &amp; initially decided to trek north until realizing the the dessert conditions were too inhospitable then later decided to trek north east into the depopulated [ due to the Difaqane of Shaka ] regions north of the Orange River. </p>
<p>This day is in fact a &#8220;day of thanksgiving&#8221; to those of Boer &amp; Voortrekker [ another term the Afrikaner Nationalists coined as part of a program to appropriate Boer hist ] descent. The Boers would be commemorating it even if they had defeated Germans or British as the race of those who were attempting to wipe them out was not a factor. </p>
<p>Furthermore: the Boers reconciled with the Zulu when they exchanged rocks of peace in 1840 &amp; gathered again later in 1866 to stack rocks on the Nacome River in a gesture of reconciliation. [ 10 ] It is a crying shame that the Afrikaners had to hijack this sacred Boer event in order to promote their agenda because they have left the false impression to the rest of the world that it was about conquest &amp; that there was no reconciliation. The whole point of this day was about the remembrance of the vow the Boers took to God [ some abstained fearing the consequences [ 11 ] should their descendents break the Vow ] not even about the later battle they won against overwhelming odds. </p>
<p>This article attempts to portray a false impression with racial income disparity as well. It should be pointed out that the Rapport newspaper noted that 1 million White Afrikaans speakers live under the poverty line now &amp; that this affects the Boer descendents much more as they have traditionally been part of the working class. </p>
<p>The Boer people are a homegrown ethno cultural people who speak a language historians classified as Eastern Border Afrikaans [ named after the Cape frontier where they developed ] Therefore the Boers are not only under South African occupation but as a result of past Afrikaner colonization are also under Afrikaner domination. </p>
<p>Notes. </p>
<p>1. <a href="http://www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=aa62" rel="nofollow"> South African History at History World. </a> </p>
<p>Quote: [ By the 1770s the Dutch nomads have penetrated as far as Graaff-Reinet, some 400 miles northeast of Cape Town. They become known as Trekboers (Dutch for 'wandering farmers'), a word subsequently often shortened to Boers. ] </p>
<p>2. <a href="http://www.ucalgary.ca/%7Enurelweb/papers/irving/ELPHINK.htm#_ftnref133" rel="nofollow"> Christianity in Central Southern Africa Prior to 1910.  </a> </p>
<p>Quote: [ The majority of the original white settlers, known as Cape Dutch, or in frontier regions Boers, maintained a nominal loyalty to the Dutch Reformed Church. ] </p>
<p>3. <a href="http://www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&amp;docId=27642806#" rel="nofollow"> The Boers in East Africa: Ethnicity and Identity.  Brian M. Du Toit. Page 1. </a> </p>
<p>4. Noted also on the Bowdoin College Page. </p>
<p>5. <a href="http://www.commissionforafrica.org/french/consultation/submissions/ro/sb-nov-dec04-068.pdf" rel="nofollow"> The Devil&#8217;s Annexe. A Continent in Agony by Sidney &amp; Shirley Robbins. </a> </p>
<p>6. Cecil Rhodes &amp; the Cape Afrikaners by Mordechai Tamarkin. Page 57. </p>
<p>7. The Story of the Boers by C W van der Hoogt. Page 96. </p>
<p>8. <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20050123033712/http://www.stopboergenocide.com/29301/index.html" rel="nofollow"> Boer / Afrikaner or White: Which are you? by Adriana Stuijt. </a> </p>
<p>9. <a href="http://www.pology.com/article/051213.html" rel="nofollow"> New Coffins, Old Flags, Microorganisms And The Future of the Boer. </a> </p>
<p>10. This was also noted by Pieter Mulder in an address to Parliament in 2005. </p>
<p>11. The Great Trek. Oliver Ransford. </p>
<p>Post Script. The history of the Boers is rarely ever told from the perspective of the actual Boer folk.</p>
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		<title>By: Russel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ja these American assholes always have alot to say about others, but how did they treat people in the early days?  Damn hypocrits.  I swear if I wasnt married to a American lady I would have left this dump long ago. ASGATLAAGTE.</description>
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		<title>By: Sine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mouse

Maybe it is because it was not written by Prof but by someone else and Prof has not added anything thereto.</description>
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<p>Maybe it is because it was not written by Prof but by someone else and Prof has not added anything thereto.</p>
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		<title>By: Friend</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mouse for putting it back into it&#039;s orriginal context, anyone can take something that happened in the past and add their modern sanctions as they would have liked it to end versions to it, like that new movie from Quentin Tarentino &quot;Inglorious Bastards&quot; kind of accurate happenings the Nazi inspector, finding Jews hiding in France with the correct names of the historical players, but then telling his story with Hitler and all the bad people dying in the same place at the same time. If somebody, who hadn&#039;t study the history, watched this movie then they may have been deceived by this untruthfull version, because that&#039;s how they would have liked it to end, who knows maybe one day when today is also much further into history, different catagories of people could all tell their own stories with their own heroes receiving the honour for whichever cause was won.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mouse for putting it back into it&#8217;s orriginal context, anyone can take something that happened in the past and add their modern sanctions as they would have liked it to end versions to it, like that new movie from Quentin Tarentino &#8220;Inglorious Bastards&#8221; kind of accurate happenings the Nazi inspector, finding Jews hiding in France with the correct names of the historical players, but then telling his story with Hitler and all the bad people dying in the same place at the same time. If somebody, who hadn&#8217;t study the history, watched this movie then they may have been deceived by this untruthfull version, because that&#8217;s how they would have liked it to end, who knows maybe one day when today is also much further into history, different catagories of people could all tell their own stories with their own heroes receiving the honour for whichever cause was won.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does this post not show as a regular thread, but only in the Seminar Room?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does this post not show as a regular thread, but only in the Seminar Room?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymouse</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/new-york-times-holiday-of-white-conquest-persists-in-south-africa/#comment-23249</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I forgot to add in the last paragraph above before saying that we should cease being hypocritical, the following: &quot;What makes singing &#039;Nkosi Sikilel&#039;e iAfrika&#039; (both pre- and post-1994) in the spirit of the struggle so different? What makes singing (pre-1994) &#039;Ons sal lewe, ons sal sterwe, ons vir jou Suid Afrika so different?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I forgot to add in the last paragraph above before saying that we should cease being hypocritical, the following: &#8220;What makes singing &#8216;Nkosi Sikilel&#8217;e iAfrika&#8217; (both pre- and post-1994) in the spirit of the struggle so different? What makes singing (pre-1994) &#8216;Ons sal lewe, ons sal sterwe, ons vir jou Suid Afrika so different?&#8221;</p>
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