Constitutional Hill

On blaming the victim

It is called blaming the victim. Those of us who have been on the receiving end of racism, sexism and homophobia, blatant discrimination, or the violence that sometimes result from extreme prejudice, know it well. Instead of condemning the racist/sexist/homophobic verbal or physical attack, apologists blame the victims of the attack. Shockingly, this sickness has seemingly now also infected the spokesperson for the University of the Western Cape (UWC).

There is, of course, often more than one version of events. But what is not in dispute is that a transgender student was attacked outside a UWC student residence last weekend. Glenton Matthyse, UWC law student and a member of UWC gay rights group Gayla, described the assault as “severe” and said he and two friends tried to stop the beating. He alleged that the security guards did not intervene immediately to protect the victim.

University spokesperson Luthando Tyhalibongo did not condemn the attack. Instead, he said an investigation was under way and that: “[The university] does not condone violence or approve of action that discriminates against any person’s constitutional rights.” He claimed that campus security and other staff stopped the fighting.

There is a vast difference between not condoning an attack and condemning it. It’s the difference between not endorsing a certain course of action — a passive and relatively neutral stance — and taking an active and unequivocal stance against a hate crime. A statement that one does not condone something is often followed by a qualification. As in: “I do not condone apartheid, but there were no potholes when the Nats were in charge….”

At the very least a spokesperson for an institution of higher learning, imbued with the values contained in the Constitution, would be expected to express outrage at a vicious homophobic assault on a student of that institution. Tyhalibongo chose not to do so, which suggests that he is not free from the naked homophobia which triggered this hate crime.

One might still have given the UWC spokesperson the benefit of doubt. But he then proceeded to say that while some students fled the scene, Gayla members verbally abused the guards. He is reported to have accused the Gayla-UWC members of being unruly and in a “drunken state” — as if this could explain or provide some needed “context” to understand the attack and the alleged inaction of the security guards.

In short, Tyhalibongo blamed the victims. But in such a case, the so-called context is irrelevant. After all, it is not a crime to get drunk. It is however, a crime to beat up somebody because he happens to be gay.

As the UWC Student Representative Council (SRC) pointed out in a statement condemning the attack:

We also read in some reports that the students were drunk and unruly, that does not explain the inaction by the security guard in question. If anything this statement condones drunken people being beaten or to be descriptive is tantamount to saying girls can get raped because they wear mini-skirts.

How different is this from the exculpatory statements so often made by some among us whenever news of another racist incident hit the media? I recall that when a Virgin Active member hurled racist insults at another member, several compatriots defended the racism by arguing that the victim was not blameless because she was too loud and disturbed other gym goers. As if this could ever justify the racism involved in that case.

The tendency to blame the victim of racism, sexism or homophobia instead of the perpetrators of the crime runs deep in our society. Often, this is based on an unacknowledged identification with the racism, sexism or homophobia that gave rise to the attack. (“I am not a racist but….”) As if those who are looking for excuses suspect that they might share the prejudices that led to the attack and are trying to find excuses for their own prejudice.

It is worth stating again that for the purposes of judging the behaviour of the UWC attackers and the campus security, it is completely irrelevant whether the victims were drunk or not.

Quite frankly, if I was viciously assaulted by a homophobe for being gay while I believed that the very people paid to protect me were failing to do so, I would probably also have verbally abused the guards — whether I was drunk or not.

Come to think of it, when my former partner was refused entry into a gay bar because he was black, I proceeded to insult the doorman. He was completely unfazed when I called him a racist. It was only after I called him “very stupid” that he punched me. I guess some people are not insulted when one calls them a racist. They only begin to get touchy when one questions their intelligence.

Surely UWC management must publicly reprimand its spokesperson for launching an unwarranted attack of the victims of a hate crime. It would also help if the management apologised to the victims whose rights were trampled on twice: first when homophobic students physically attacked them and then a second time when UWC’s spokesperson did so verbally.

  • Pat de Swardt

    I am appalled and angry. Booze is not an excuse for rape assault or any violent actm

  • Zoo Keeper

    Sounds like a bad incident.

    But:

    “It is however, a crime to beat up somebody because he happens to be gay.”

    is not quite correct.

    Should read:

    “It is however, a crime to beat up somebody.”

    Victims are victims and suffer the same regardless of the motivation of the attacker.

    And yes, blaming the victim is not on so on general principles I agree with you.

  • John Roberts

    Oh come on Pierre ! You are looking for white man’s justice !

    Your tjommies at the ANC are clearly bent on African justice

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2012/11/02/zuma-wants-african-justice

    Sweet fuckall will happen.
    Moffies will continue to be beaten up (and worse) whilst Zuma’s ANC is in control.

    Get used to it, stop bitching and take it like a white man.

  • Zoo Keeper

    Prof

    JR is right.

    When the ANC’s traditional courts come about you can forget about protecting gays in tribal areas…

  • Thabo Botha

    John Roberts
    November 2, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Ja. Imagine you were told you cannot study law/medicine/engineering because of the your race/sexual orientation.

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2011/11/27/too-white-to-study-medicine

    I feel fokkol for PdV. In fact that bouncer at the door door should have bliksemed him a bit harder cause I absolutely despise these sell-out academics.

  • Andrew

    Prof, I suppose you have access to evidence that the assault was because the victim is a transgender?

    Otherwise, a agree with your post.

  • sirjay jonson

    Thabo Botha
    November 2, 2012 at 15:11 pm

    “I feel fokkol for PdV. In fact that bouncer at the door door should have bliksemed him a bit harder cause I absolutely despise these sell-out academics.”

    Good gracious me Thabo. Do you really feel such hatred to speak it so? And how, if I may ask have you come to this conclusion that Prof is a sell-out-academic?

  • sirjay jonson

    Jessh Prof: you sure have a tough skin to keep writing and speaking your truth with all the vitriol spewed at you so regularly. How do you handle that? I must be a coward because I certainly couldn’t.

    Hoc natura est insitum, ut quem timueris, hunc semper oderis.

  • sirjay jonson

    Anyone wishing to know translations of latin I post, even if I have inadvertently included spelling errors, copy and paste into the search window on your browser, and voila, its meaning appears.

  • Thabo Botha

    sirjay jonson
    November 2, 2012 at 16:10 pm

    Gratias tibi et te pedicabo.

  • Maggs Naidu – ABZ! – Zuma must go (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Hmmm!

    More violence?

    KwaZulu-Natal – The KwaZulu-Natal ANC warned DA leader Helen Zille on Friday to abandon her inspection of President Jacob Zuma’s home in Nkandla, or face violence from local residents.

    “The ANC believes that the visit to the president’s home will be a serious, direct attack on the president and his family,” the provincial branch of the African National Congress said in a statement.

    “It goes without saying that people who reside at President Zuma’s home have a right to protect themselves from anyone who invades their home.”

    And the punch line …

    “We don’t want to see the repeat of what happened at Cosatu House so we appeal to the DA to consider abandoning their plan.”

    http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/zille-could-face-violence-at-nkandla-1.1416791#.UJPbCIbwlDg

  • Zoo Keeper

    Andrew has a god point.

    Was the student beaten up for being transgender, or for another reason?

  • Zoo Keeper

    Prof

    Could you please give us your views on the Labour Appeals Court’s decision on AA released today? Be interested to read your take on the matter.

  • Brett Nortje

    Thabo Botha says:
    November 2, 2012 at 15:11 pm

    LOL! Mens kan jou nerens heen vat nie. Soos my oorlede Ma altyd gese het: ‘So gemaak en so gelaat staan.’

  • Thabo Botha

    Brett Nortje
    November 2, 2012 at 19:48 pm

    Do you think it would be “unconstitutional” if us “whites” created and funded a new university that picked students purely on academic merit?

    “The fundamental issue is that the Witwatersrand University holds that race, colour, religion and gender are not academic criteria, and that no non-academic criteria should intrude into the selection process of an academic institution. This is basic to our philosophy and policy.”

    http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=235701&sn=Marketingweb+detail

    I believe that there is a constitutional argument to be made that “whites” should get a rebate on their taxes to fund such a truly nonracial institution.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    I am all in favour of limited state spending on our leaders’ private housing. That said, I see the DA’s visit to Nkandla as an outrageous invasion of Mr Zuma’s privacy. Also, I cannot help detecting a sour note of RACISM in the DA’s antics. Where were these white whingers when DF Malan erected the Huisgenoot memorial in Wellington?

    Thanks.

  • Maggs Naidu – ABZ! – Zuma must go (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    November 3, 2012 at 13:35 pm

    Dworky,

    WDYSTT?

    No more WHITE lawyers with their blady agent tendencies for Zoo-Zoo.

    Our President, Professor Zuma wanted his day in court but the WHITE lawyers changed the facts and affronted his culture – grrrrrrrrr!

    “Let us solve African problems the African way, not the white man’s way,” Zuma was quoted saying at the opening of National House of Traditional Leaders in Parliament on Thursday, The Times reported.

    “Let us not be influenced by other cultures and try to think the lawyers are going to help us. We have never changed facts. They tell you they are going to change facts. They will never tell you that these cold facts have warm bodies,” he said.

    http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/concern-over-zuma-s-remarks-on-justice-1.1417019#.UJUZKYbwlDg

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Pred Zuma

    “[White Lawyers] will never tell you that these cold facts have warm bodies,”

    Maggs, I have two questions:

    1. Did not Jesus Rodrigues have something to say about “cold facts?
    See http://www.sugarman.org/coldlyrics.html/

    2. Whose warm bodies is Mr Zuma referring to?

  • sirjay jonson

    Thabo Botha
    November 2, 2012 at 16:32 pm

    “Gratias tibi et te pedicabo.”

    Poor Thabo, like many limited folks who come to a new language they only learn the swear words: Translation for the above is:

    “Thank you and fuck you.”

    Must have touched a nerve. I think you made my day. There is actually much more quality in Latin available to you Thabo, if you have any interest and maturity, than such juvenile sentiments.

  • sirjay jonson

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    November 3, 2012 at 15:34 pm

    “2. Whose warm bodies is Mr Zuma referring to?”

    Hey Fass: I would surmise he is complimenting his wives. Rather kind of him, yes?

  • sirjay jonson

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    November 3, 2012 at 13:35 pm
    “Where were these white whingers when DF Malan erected the Huisgenoot memorial in Wellington?”

    Not sure of the date, but wasn’t it while Zille and her faithful readers were discovering what happened to Steve Biko.

  • sirjay jonson

    Brett Nortje
    November 2, 2012 at 19:48 pm

    Hey Brett: either we are still standing or sitting at our computer, but we still here.

  • sirjay jonson

    Maggs Naidu – ABZ! – Zuma must go (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    November 2, 2012 at 16:41 pm
    Hmmm!

    “More violence?” Likely; what is it juju says about blood, perhaps he is right.

    “It goes without saying that people who reside at President Zuma’s home have a right to protect themselves from anyone who invades their home.”

    The DA follows Gandhi’s lead, have no intention of invading, only registering concerns about obvious and rational questions; whereas the Zulu’s approach is blindly following the like of Shaka Zula which is somewhat like modern Germans still embracing Hitler. Should be interesting.

    Its through sacrifice (and unfortunately, blood loss) that true change develops. Witness Marikana.

  • Julanie

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    November 3, 2012 at 15:34 pm
    Who are you?
    Definition of PROSTITUTE : to offer indiscriminately for sexual intercourse especially for money? or,

    A man who has a continuing sexual relationship with and receives financial support from a woman?

  • Zoo Keeper

    Dworky

    “Huisgenoot memorial”

    LOL! Classic one!! :)

  • Dmwangi

    Sounds like a few drunken uni students got in a fight with each other. Without knowing more ‘facts’– a word PdV seems to find so capacious it can accommodate anything congruent with his political predilections– it is far from obvious there are any ‘victims’ here. Rather than addressing his outrage to the several thousand who were undoubtedly subjects of criminal activity on the same day, PdV selectively uses a juvenile brawl to attempt to secure succor for his favourite interest group. By imputing the coveted status of ‘victim’ to this particular individual, PdV implies that, by definition, any crime against an LGBTQ person is a hate crime. This is outrageous! Based on the story given, this person is no more guilty of a hate crime than a gay who gets mugged. I can find no evidence in this story that the motivation for the assault had anything to do with the student being LGBTQ.

    Zuma has earned another term:

    Johannesburg – President Jacob Zuma has told traditional leaders that Africans have their own way of solving their problems through traditional institutions, it was reported on Friday.

    “Let us solve African problems the African way, not the white man’s way,” Zuma was quoted saying at the opening of National House of Traditional Leaders in Parliament on Thursday, The Times reported.

    “Let us not be influenced by other cultures and try to think the lawyers are going to help us. We have never changed facts.

    “They tell you they are going to change facts. They will never tell you that these cold facts have warm bodies,” he said.

  • Maggs Naidu – ABZ! – Zuma must go (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    November 3, 2012 at 15:34 pm

    Dworky,

    “2. Whose warm bodies is Mr Zuma referring to?”

    DMwangi and OzoneBoy?

  • Dmwangi

    I think what JZ was saying is that behind the bromides of conventional political wisdom, which are presented as cold, dispassionate facts, lie torrid zealots whose interests are served quite well by this furtive game of, in Frankfurt’s words, bullshit.

    I’m sure Maggs, qua Maggs, understood this quite well.

  • Thabo Botha

    Dmwangi
    November 3, 2012 at 22:36 pm

    I have posted a couple of times why our constitution, although liberal and Eurocentric to some large degree is also an inclusive, anachronistic and pragmatic one.

    Those who criticise cde. Zuma so vehemently, they are out of touch with the reality of a South Africa that they are not familiar with, where more than half of our people are living in a rural tribal context with no realistic access to Western privilege and value system. The only justice they see is in the context of the tribal custom and it is much more sensible to try strengthen and reform those existing structures to be within the broader guidelines of our Constitution than to destroy it and belittle it as totally worthless and intrinsically flawed.

  • Thabo Botha

    “Let us solve African problems the African way, not the white man’s way,” Zuma was quoted saying at the opening of National House of Traditional Leaders in Parliament on Thursday, The Times reported.”

    Now compare Sobukwe:

    “Now it is our contention that true democracy can be established in South Africa and on the continent as a whole, only when White supremacy has been destroyed. And the illiterate and semi-literate African masses constitute the key and centre and content of any struggle for true democracy in South Africa. And the African people can be organised only under the banner of African nationalism in an All-African Organisation where they will by themselves formulate policies and programmes and decide on the methods of struggle without interference from either so-called left-wing or right-wing groups of the minorities who arrogantly appropriate to themselves the right to plan and think for the Africans.”

    Steve Biko:

    “The basic tenet of black consciousness is that the black man must reject all value systems that seek to make him a foreigner in the country of his birth and reduce his basic human dignity.”

    So perhaps if Anti Zille wants to claim Biko – instead of raging against the ANC policies of rural development she needs to get a bit more in touch with his philosophy and what he stood for.

  • Maggs Naidu – Zuma must go!

    Dmwangi
    November 3, 2012 at 22:36 pm

    Hey DM,

    “I think what JZ was saying is that behind the bromides of conventional political wisdom, which are presented as cold, dispassionate facts, lie torrid zealots whose interests are served quite well by this furtive game of, in Frankfurt’s words, bullshit. ”

    Hmmm. So you think the president is capable of such profound thinking.

    I used to think so.

    That was until he became president.

    Now I believe that he calls it as he sees is, i.e. he says what he means and means what he says.

    “I don’t have a vision”; “I don’t know what is happening in our country”; “I was shocked to find poor people in South Africa”; “Nobody is to blame for the crisis”: “I have no idea”; “We must debate” …

    Your attempt to put meaning into Zuma’s words is valiant but is akin to putting water into a bottomless bucket!

  • Thabo Botha

    Maggs Naidu – Zuma must go!
    November 4, 2012 at 8:14 am

    I believe things will be much better for everybody when PdV’s boer killing friend Malema/Zanu-PF takes over, don’t you?

    Especially for “transgenders” and gays.

    No room for gay rights in new Constitution’ says Zanu-PF

    “Those fighting for gay rights are disobeying God who created us in his image,” he said. “The land belongs to chiefs who were given the sovereign right by God to rule.”

    Governor Machaya said the traditional leaders had absolute power to ban, stop and forbid their subjects from following cultures that destroy the country. “Let us collectively fight the enemy who is trying to destabilise our nation through introduction of foreign cultures,” he said.”

    http://bulawayo24.com/index-id-news-sc-national-byo-19328-article-%27no+room+for+gay+rights+in+new+constitution%27+says+zanu-pf.html

  • Maggs Naidu – Zuma must go!

    Thabo Botha
    November 4, 2012 at 9:02 am

    Hey OzoneBoy,

    “I believe things will be much better for everybody when PdV’s boer killing friend Malema/Zanu-PF takes over, don’t you?”

    Let up talking kak on Sunday – just once a week, give ti a break.

    But let’s help you out a bit.

    It does not matter who “takes over” – everyone in South Africa is subject to our constitution which, as you know already, is the supreme law of our country.

    I’m nevertheless curious as to why so much of what Zuma says has to be interpreted, explained, clarified …

  • khosi

    So, according to the Sunday Times, Vusi Pikoli was taking advice on how to proceed in the Selebi matter. Apparently, his already dead mother was the chief consiliere.

  • Thabo Botha

    Maggs Naidu – Zuma must go!
    November 4, 2012 at 9:32 am

    “Let up talking kak on Sunday – just once a week, give ti a break.”

    LOL.

    let me remind you what my dear papa used to say. People who live in grass huts shouldn’t play with matches.

  • Brett Nortje

    Thabo Botha says:
    November 4, 2012 at 7:53 am

    Yes, kept in serfdom by our ingenious black compatriots who kept taking British money then Afrikaner money while telling those rural people their lot was the fault of the abelungu.

    Guess what? Your heroes are doing their best to help the rural poor from modernising, because they need them trapped in the 18th Century?

    “Those who criticise cde. Zuma so vehemently, they are out of touch with the reality of a South Africa that they are not familiar with, where more than half of our people are living in a rural tribal context with no realistic access to Western privilege and value system. The only justice they see is in the context of the tribal custom”

  • Maggs Naidu – Zuma must go!

    Dmwangi
    November 3, 2012 at 22:36 pm

    Hey Dm,

    Please explain what Zuma means by this.

    His spinners are struggling.

    “Because if you are not an African, you cannot be a white, then what are you? You don’t know. You can’t explain yourself. How then can you grow ­children?”

    http://www.citypress.co.za/Politics/News/Zuma-scolds-clever-blacks-20121103

    p.s. Zuma must also have been impressed with your graduate school to cause him to comment about Blacks “who become too clever”!

  • Brett Nortje

    Stop being jajjerig, Maggs. This is all part of our beloved President’s charm.

    It concerns me more that he might not remember that the idea to surrender a precentage of white-stolen farms voluntarily came from the dimwit Malema not the dimwit Nkwinti.

  • Thabo Botha

    Maggs Naidu – Zuma must go!
    November 4, 2012 at 10:54 am

    Me too have a problem understanding this part.

    “During our time we did not have prisons because never did we say it was a problem we could not resolve … Prisons are done by people who cannot resolve problems,” he said, and then asked traditional leaders not to be “influenced by other cultures”.

    Apartheid took away “our dignity … because our traditional system and leadership was undermined. ”

    I never quite understood how Sobukwe, Biko, Zuma et al. could blame the Nat’s policy of “separate development” for undermining traditional African values/customs/traditions when the exact opposite was in fact one of the ideological pillars of Verwoerd’s Apartheid – therefore the policy of independent “Bantustans”. And believe me even ‘clever blacks’ get very angry when one points that out.

  • Brett Nortje

    Of course, black people would never dream of anything as heinous as the death penalty!

  • Maggs Naidu – ABZ! – Zuma must go (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Maggs, I say that Madame Zille is recklessly playing with fire by invading Mr Zuma’s privacy. She should focus on keeping schools open in Zillestan. I am afraid that, if she pokes her whitish nose in where it does not belong, she may find that our people will defend their leader’s dignity with all of the means at their disposal!

  • Thabo Botha

    ” ‘Nkandla belongs to each and every South African’

    In a statement on Sunday, Zille said she and her colleagues had visited Nkandla “to see what a R250-million renovation with public money looks like”.

    Anti Zille is correct. However since the upgrades to the “private residence” of cde Zuma are security related it makes very little sense to invite the general public to “inspect them”.

    For example the parliament also belongs to “each and every South African” as does the million dollar mansion of the premiere of the Western Cape. However members of the general public cannot just willy-nilly waltz into any of these public spaces without the proper security arrangements being made.

    Am I just being obtuse or am I missing something?

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Thabozone

    “members of the general public cannot just willy-nilly waltz into any of these public spaces without the proper security arrangements being made.”

    With respect, I don’t think it was a matter of Aunty Zille “waltzing” in to Nkanlda. She prefers a faux-African kind of “jive” — which is not too different from that which your hero, Mr Zuma, occasionally performs in public. Also, I doubt very much she would want to enter “willy-nilly.” That would definitely be more Mr Zuma’s style.

    Thanks.

  • Beetle

    Blaming the victim?
    Here’s a good current example:
    So now Helen Zille is Zuma-enemy No.1, while a blind eye is turned on the misappropriation of a quater of a billion Rand taxpayer’s money siphoned off to Nkandlagate.
    Fuckall will happen,

  • Brett Nortje

    Thabo Botha says:
    November 4, 2012 at 14:47 pm

    Very obtuse. With regard to your questions about missing something, I don’t want you to stress now….but I think you might be missing a whole IQ decimal.

  • Chris (Not the right wing guy)

    Thabo Botha
    November 4, 2012 at 14:47 pm

    Are you missing something?

    I’m so sorry to say this, you are missing absolutely everything.

  • Maggs Naidu – ABZ! – Zuma must go (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Chris (Not the right wing guy)
    November 4, 2012 at 19:56 pm

    Hey Right-Wing-Guy

    “Thabo Botha – Are you missing something?”

    Yebo – OzoneBoy is missing something.

    Will you like to guess what it is?

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    With some respect, all of you “ganging up” on Ozoneguy makes me suspect that the bunch of you have fallen for the consensus that he has so courageously questioned. The only thing he is “missing” is a slavish devotion to neo-liberalism of the media!

    Thank

  • Paul Kearney

    It’s darkly funny how PDoffy cannot see that tolerance needs to be universal to have any affect. You can’t pick and choose. He loves white bashing and is all for “kill the Boer” but now when a gay person gets bashed he cries foul (or is it fowl?). Can he really not see his hypocrisy? And he steals UCT’s time to show it off!!

  • Thabo Botha

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    November 4, 2012 at 23:45 pm

    Do not despair mfd. I believe the ANCYL spearheaded by Mr. Malema and those hunderds of thousands of refugees from the rural wastelands of Transkei may just organise a weekend visit to inspect Mrs. Zille’s luxury mansion in CT and even perhaps to gooi a braai, sacrifice a couple of chickens to the ancestors and have a couple of beers.

    It is “public space” after all and the South African taxpayers have a right to know how and where the Madam lives.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Thabozone, I assure you that, if this were to happen, thousands of fanatical DA supporters be prepared to die to defend their “Madam’s” privacy.

    [BTW, does it not seem curious that a political party so anxious to defend the “private property” of the rich and famous would be completely disrespectful of the privacy of Mr Zuma and his extended family?]

  • Brett Nortje

    Thabo Botha says:
    November 5, 2012 at 7:34 am

    Bussed in using the same busses that transported them to Nkandla the weekend to act like Brownshirts?

    The ANusClowns must be very desperate to keep the people of SOuth Africa from seeing what their R230m bought.

  • Brett Nortje

    Maggs, after the events of this weekend please reassure me AGAIN that Mr. Zuma will step down at the end of his elected term?

  • Gwebecimele
  • Thabo Botha

    Brett Nortje
    November 5, 2012 at 10:16 am

    “The ANusClowns must be very desperate to keep the people of SOuth Africa from seeing what their R230m bought.”

    I agree Brett. I couldn’t help being sickened by the vulgar obscenity in that extravagant African style Taj Mahal that us taxpayers had to sponsor:

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/migration_catalog/2009/12/04/jacob-zuma-at-nkandla/ALTERNATES/crop_630x400/Jacob+Zuma+at+Nkandla

    Now contrast that to the frugal sensibility emanating from a humble servant of the people as articulated by the Mrs. Zille.

    http://www.andrewcusack.com/2009/07/17/leeuwenhof/

  • Gwebecimele

    I read somewhere that Zuma supporters were planning to use “lightning and thunderstorms” to chase the DA away from Nkandla.

    http://www.citypress.co.za/Politics/News/Thunderstorm-forces-Zuma-to-abandon-traditional-heritage-festival-20121105

  • Brett Nortje

    Don’t be dishonest! Nkandla is no historical official residence that ought to be maintained for future generations.

    Fucking liar!

    As long as Zille’s dog doesn’t piss on everything who (sorry, I forgot. ‘Which honest person’) can point a finger?

  • Thabo Botha

    Gwebecimele
    November 5, 2012 at 10:21 am

    I try to explain to you earlier that even if you are so stupid to believe that all white people are rich that 2 mil cannot possibly affirm and “empower” 50 mil people. It is a mathematical impossibility.

    I note that Aubrey Matshiqi forgot to mention the following:

    “Frans Cronje, of the South African Institute of Race Relations, said the income inequalities and education levels among the country’s poorest were a major problem no matter how they were spun.

    “We now have a black middle class the same size as our white middle class so the educated elite does very well, but the uneducated poor majority gets left behind,” he said.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/9643548/South-Africas-whites-still-paid-six-times-more-than-blacks.html

    That is where the real denialism manifests itself. The middle/upper class black population in South Africa is numerically equal to the total whites population now.

  • Brett Nortje

    Sorry, Gwebecimele. That was aimed at the idiotic Botha squared.

  • Gwebecimele

    Is Ramphele trying the Lt Col Botha strategy???????????

    “Back on the main trail: Ramphele, the Gold Fields chairperson, has taken a different tack, saying the South Deep BEE deal “preceded” her at Gold Fields. It is not clear what she means by this. The timeline is simple. Ramphele was appointed a nonexecutive director and deputy chair of Gold Fields on July 1, 2010. On August 5, just more than a month later, Gold Fields announced that its “South Deep new order mining right” was “executed” and that BEE transactions had been “approved”.

    There is more than one conundrum here. As Martin Williams, editor of The Citizen, put it last week: “If shady characters, gangsters and those who employ them can control access to SA’s mineral wealth in the name of BEE, while workers continue to get a pittance, explosions such as those at Marikana are no surprise.”

    We all need to come to the party, open-eyed. Tony Leon, referring to Ramphele’s denials, said she “hardly inspires confidence about shouldering responsibility or sweeping out the Aegean stables of the political influence-peddling of which she loudly complains”. We all need to decide which is the page that works, and then to all be on the same page.”

    barrys@thenewage.co.za

  • Gwebecimele

    @ OB

    You sound more stupid when you wear the Thabo Botha cap.

  • Thabo Botha

    Gwebecimele
    November 5, 2012 at 11:47 am

    I’m not stupid gwebs. I’m realistic and I had math at school. And I’m sick and tired of middle class blacks continuously whining about poverty as if they are also poor and “disadvantaged” and need further “affirmation” while they are in the majority when it comes to middle/upper class income.

    The ball is in you court as well now. You are supposed to be creating twice as much jobs and opportunities instead of continuously looking towards the white minority that is steadily shrinking.

  • Donovan

    All that I wished to cover was in the main covered by previous comments, those that ask, where is the evidence that the person was beaten because they were gay or transgender? And, that it is incorrect not to condemn, totally incorrect.

    However, there is one matter, Prof, that I wish to raise, and it relates to how dangerous you can be against progressive thinking. It relates to the ‘analogy’ or example you used to try and make your point, namely: “I do not condone apartheid, but there were no potholes when the Nats were in charge….”. Is this your subliminal way to suck up to your readers who are reactionary, or do you secretly also believe that apartheid was bad, but things were better? Weird choice of words and example, Prof, much more revealing on how liberals are way more dangerous than racist reactionaries. I think that you have sold out your principles and values that you hold dear a long time ago, its just that you do not know it as yet, and most probably will never admit it.

  • Brett Nortje

    Poor Donovan, too abstract for him…. As if the ‘qualification’ is not the truth, eh, Pierre?

    I used to take a short-cut past Griffin’s Estate in Randfontein on Saturday mornings. Under the NP it used to be a tarred road. Under the third ANC government you could see a recalcitrant lump of tar every couple of hundred meters. Is that fact? A ‘qualification’ that indicates racism? Please. Get real.

    Under Thabo Mbeki’s government the alternative road I was forced to take – not wanting to write off a tyre – even though this is the new South Africa and I carried 2 spares on my bakkie – led past the Randfontein graveyard where i was sometimes held up for 10 minutes. 3, Four funerals being conducted at the same time, busses and taxis parked four deep, a crowd of pedestrians lining up for the next funeral….

    Of course, all this was lost upon Vuyo.

    It may interest you to know that the ANC and affirmative action got my Ford Ranger in the end despite my precautions. I went to dump my dad’s garden cuttings at Pikitup’s Marie Louise landfill…there was a burst pipe a pump could barely contain….a Marie-Louise employee directed me through a pool of water which turned out to be a bonnet-deep quicksand-like pool of mud….in the diff breather, the universals the prop-shaft coupling, the distributor, the starter….

    Eish, these assclowns….

  • Maggs Naidu – ABZ! – Zuma must go (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje
    November 5, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Hey G,

    “Maggs, after the events of this weekend please reassure me AGAIN that Mr. Zuma will step down at the end of his elected term?”

    I dunno if the oke can step down at all.

    He’s gone as low as could possibly be!

  • Maggs Naidu – ABZ! – Zuma must go (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje
    November 5, 2012 at 10:19 am

    Hey G,

    “Maggs, after the events of this weekend please reassure me AGAIN that Mr. Zuma will step down at the end of his elected term?”

    I dunno if the oke can step down at all.

    He’s gone as low as could possibly be!

    All that is left now is for the ANC led government to re-introduce dompasses for the #CleverBlacks and permits for “non-residents” to cross geographical borders.

  • Maggs Naidu – ABZ! – Zuma must go (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Gwebecimele
    November 5, 2012 at 11:47 am

    LOL Gwebs,

    “You sound more stupid when you wear the Thabo Botha cap.”

    I didn’t think that in OB’s case “more stupid” was possible – but as usual OB has proved that it’s possible.

  • Donovan

    Thanks Brett Nortje…..you have made my point for me, how liberals like Prof, help assclown recalcitrant racists like yourself….thanks for providing an excellent example

  • Thabo Botha

    Maggs Naidu – ABZ! – Zuma must go (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    November 5, 2012 at 13:05 pm

    I may be “stupid” but I can read bar graphs, boet.

    http://www.regiodata.eu/en/south-africa-rise-black-middle-class

    Back in 2009 already collective purchasing power under “whites” have fallen to less than 40% of the overall. Or put in simple term the majority of existing wealth in South Africa has been “redistributed” to the black majority a long time ago already. That was BEE/AA and in that process the affirmed have created close to fokkol new “wealth”. That is why the time for BEE/AA is over now. Empty rhetoric of yesterday as well.

    finish and klaar.

  • Gwebecimele

    No place to hide. I hope the spineless management will fill vacancies as per national plans.

    http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71656?oid=337451&sn=Detail&pid=71616

  • Vuyo

    So Selebi was not being protected. The truth comes out and pundits/journos are being revealed for the fools they are:

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2012/11/04/new-spy-tapes-emerge-over-anc-s-polokwane-conference

    terry crawford said (proudly) he was part of team of the sunday times that was set up to smear the former head of state. Its amazing that this never got much coverage.

  • Thabo Botha

    Gwebecimele
    November 5, 2012 at 14:52 pm

    It is fine. If you want to appoint inferior candidates or leave posts unfilled because of your special brand of racism then let it be so. Some people have self-respect, understand professional ethic and have a sense of honour. Others have no fucking shame and it shows in the way we are governed.

    But please don’t come back here and complain about the “lack of service delivery” and/or the “corruption” and then blame it on the very same “whites” that want to make a contribution but you just worked out of the system.

  • Gwebecimele

    @ TB

    Are YOU inferior because you once got 5% less than a classmate?
    While you are at it, are inferior(black) candidates also responsible for the corruption in private sector.

    On “blaming the victim” who is stealing poor peoples salaries via debt collection, bogus loans and investments.

    Take off that “Thabo Botha” cap.

  • Zoo Keeper

    Thanks for the link Gwebes

    The judgment is troubling though.

    “The over representivity of white males and females is itself a powerful demonstration of the insidious consequences of our unhappy past. White people were advantaged over other races especially in the public service. This advantage was perpetuated by the transfer of skills, some critical, to the same white race to the exclusion of others, especially blacks. The over representivity of whites in level 9 is a stark reminder of our past and indeed the present and yet another wake up call to decisively break from these practices. These are practices that can be effectively broken by embracing the restitutionary spirit of the Constitution.”

    This paragraph is disturbing. What it says is that whites must be confined for perpetuity to second class status. That whites may only occupy up to a certain percentage of positions, after which no white person may be appointed until one of “their” positions opens up.

    Essentially it sanctions the arbitrary discrimination on the basis of race based on quotas. Finally, we have some honesty, and it is deeply offensive of the founding values of the Constitution.

    Mlambo obviously subscribes to National Socialism – Nazism for short.

    There is absolutely no difference in principle and no sugar-coating can change that.

  • Thabo Botha

    Gwebecimele
    November 5, 2012 at 16:21 pm

    So now there are only whites in the “private sector”. I have explained also many times that what you call “corruption” is in fact nothing but incompetence or inexperience. Like our “Commissioner of Police” who hasn’t the foggiest idea of how to run a police force and who has just massacred 34 people. She should never have accepted that post. She should have said sorry prez but I’m a professional, I have a sense of integrity and I have no background in this, appoint somebody who is qualified and have some expertise. but no fucking way, never in the banana BEE/AA republic of the new South Africa where every socalled PDI is “owed” something by the system.

    Christ knows, you are a joke. In fact you are a pathetic joke.

  • Thabo Botha

    Zoo Keeper
    November 5, 2012 at 16:36 pm

    “This paragraph is disturbing. What it says is that whites must be confined for perpetuity to second class status. That whites may only occupy up to a certain percentage of positions, after which no white person may be appointed until one of “their” positions opens up.”

    The point is really we know now this is what is going to happen. The question is how are us whites going to deal with it. As I stated many times this is not why I opposed Apartheid – I convinced many conservative whites at the time (including my own family) that their fears of black domination are totally unfounded, the consequences or racist propaganda and what we are fighting for is future for everybody where human rights and nonracialism will reign supreme.

  • sirjay jonson

    Did any of the commenters receive the following tweet today:

    Sitha Gqomfa ‏@gqomfasitha
    DA mischievous to visit Nkandla they will die (we are not playing) KZN akudlawa pha and they must die like cockroaches!!!!

    Who is the victim here?

    I would suggest all of South Africa.

  • sirjay jonson

    I appreciate Prof’s twitter post today stating that this is a hate speech case which can be won. And it requires jail time. This rabid style of activist hate speech to incite hatred, build solidarity with fellow psychopaths based on lack of self worth and racist attitudes and beliefs, requires a stiff jail term, not a fine or slap on the wrist.

    I suppose most folk forget Uganda as its a human tendency to subconsciously forget horror.

    We all of us need to speak out firmly against racist activism, whether white or black. Unfortunately it appears in this day and age to be most predominant within the uneducated, self seeking black political youth and elite who have no care or concerned awareness on the impact to their country and fellow citizens, or on all of our futures, children, grandchildren, and even academics.

    To be crude, perhaps, ‘say no to this shit.’ If you feel similar hatred, drop it.

  • Zoo Keeper

    Thabo

    Its one thing for a political party to pursue certain policies. Its quite another to see an attitude like this to come from a senior Bench.

    What whites should do now is wait for the ConCourt to decide. There is still one chance left that this reasoning can be overturned. Mogoeng, and his comments at the JSC leave no doubt he will be in the Mlambo corner, but there are 10 others.

    If the ConCourt sanctions racial quotas then whites are in trouble in this country.

    Hitler imposed quotas on the German population against the Jews, Apartheid South Africa had similar measures for white Afrikaans males (everyone forgets that white English people were discrimminated against!). These are exactly the same principles now espoused by Mlambo as a noble cause! It was wrong in Nazi Germany, it was wrong in Apartheid South Africa, and it is wrong in South Africa today.

  • Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!
  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Maggs, I say the heroic actions of ANC loyalists at Nkandla spells DOOM for Madam Zille’s determined attempts to infringe the dignity and privacy of Mr Zuma and his extended family!

    WDYS?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    I say it is a cheap publicity stunt and its gonna backfire.

  • sirjay jonson

    Well boys, maybe a silly publicity stunt in your eyes but sorry to disappoint you, its been an awakening for South Africa and the world. I’ve been amazed at all the black tweeters who actually get it.

    You all need to get out and read what going on. Me thinks you missing the awareness which is growing exponentially. It was a huge success for Zille and the DA, but then only those with comprehensive wisdom, rather than prejudiced confused anger, can recognize this.

  • Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    November 5, 2012 at 20:21 pm

    LOL Dworky you NUT – ambush marketing at its best.

    “… the heroic actions of ANC loyalists at Nkandla spells DOOM for Madam Zille ..”

    Maybe now is the time for rebranding to “Die Roach”, “Be gone” and “Raid”!

  • Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    ozoneblue
    November 5, 2012 at 20:47 pm

    OzoneBoy,

    “I say it is a cheap publicity stunt and its gonna backfire.”

    How will the “backfire” manifest?

    Will the DA get 14% in the next election?

  • Brett Nortje

    I hope the DA has brought charges of intimidation against all the ANusClowns threatening violence.

  • Brett Nortje

    Donovan says:
    November 5, 2012 at 13:20 pm

    Shut up and siddown. The adults are talking.

  • Thabo Botha

    Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!
    November 5, 2012 at 21:06 pm

    No. Bouncing off the suburban ceiling and not penetrating the rural heartlands.

    just like MCD-t.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Maggs

    “Will the DA get 14% in the next election?”

    No.

    According to the census results, the DA’s constituency is composed of:”whites” (72%); superconcentrated “Browns” (28.99999998%); and “clever” blacks (0.00000002%). So, bad news, the DA has about hit its ceiling.

    Thanks.

  • Brett Nortje

    Exactly how morally bankrupt is the ANC with its twin spiels ‘transformation’ and ‘Affirmative Action’?

    Here’s a hint:

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2012/11/01/donations-could-cost-bee-points-report

    Donations could cost BEE points: report
    Sapa 01 November, 2012 07:46

    Businesses could lost black economic empowerment points for making donations to charities which do not have 100 percent black beneficiaries.

    This was according to amendments to the BEE Codes of Good Practice, on the trade and industry department’s website, and available for public comment until December 2, The Star reported.

    “All stakeholders who have concerns and objections are requested to make use of the 60-day period to make their submission,” the department said.
    Bridget Brun, a Durban BEE agency head, told the newspaper: “This amendment will have a huge effect. It means that if the charity benefits any Indian, white, coloured or even a Mozambican or Zimbabwean child, companies will not be able to claim points on their BEE scorecard. We are going to have segregated facilities.”

    Childline head Joan van Niekerk said BEE laws were becoming ridiculous.
    “We don’t know the race of the child who phones us. It’s inappropriate to ask, ‘Are you black, and how black are you?’ This is a different kind of apartheid.”

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    Brett Nortje November 5, 2012 at 23:33 pm

    “Childline head Joan van Niekerk said BEE laws were becoming ridiculous. “We don’t know the race of the child who phones us. It’s inappropriate to ask, ‘Are you black, and how black are you?’ This is a different kind of apartheid.”

    It is abolutely disgusting bro. But what else do you expect from a dispicable racist ideology elevated to some sort of noble ‘constitutional imperative’ ?

    There is nothing new under the sun. That is what our sweet lord said.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    “Those of us who have been on the receiving end of racism, sexism and homophobia, blatant discrimination, or the violence that sometimes result from extreme prejudice, know it well.”

    And us Whites, Coloureds and Indians are starting to know it well too.

  • Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    November 5, 2012 at 23:04 pm

    Dworky,

    You’re pretty nifty with statistics now – did you attend Dmwangi’s weekend seminar at Milpark H/I?

    Anyway – it does seem like Zuma and some of his “defenders” are determined to reduce the ANC’s support base.

    At this rate it won’t be long before Zuma starts to talk about the tokoloshe.

    And his supporters will want leaders elected by the throwing of bones.

  • Brett Nortje

    ozoneblue says:
    November 6, 2012 at 0:20 am
    Thabo Botha says:
    November 2, 2012 at 15:11 pm

    This goes back to the point you made last week.

    ‘Affirmative Action’ and ‘transformation’ derive their ‘legitimacy’ from the Pollyannaish babble of mindless ‘progressives’ like De Vos and the vacuous self-important Davis.

    It is unthinkable that we would have Cosatu the SACP and the KZN ANC advocating violence against the Official Opposition for exposing maladministration if it was not for 18 years of official institutionalised racial ‘othering’.

    It is unthinkable that we would have Cosatu the SACP and the KZN ANC threatening violence against the Official Opposition for exposing maladministration if it was not for 500 000 murders in 18 years, and 68 000 whites murederd – almost all by black perpetrators.

    The culture of violence is clearly stronger and more institutionalised than ever.

    These murders themselves would be unthinkable were it not for ‘Affirmative Action’ and ‘transformation’, and specifically ‘Affirmative Action’ and ‘transformation’ in the NPA and the SAPS.

    We are living Zimbabwe 2000A.D.

    So, what are we to do?

  • Brett Nortje

    How is it possible that Wendy Machanik gets to steal R30m, pay a fine of R1,5m and not serve a day’s time?

  • John Roberts

    @ Brett

    Is it really theft when you borrow money from your own company ? Her 2 properties were sold from under her and more than covered the theft from her own company which she started in her garage. Her Sandton property alone fetched R21million so nobody was out of pocket. She also pleaded guilty thereby saving taxpayers a lot of money. She’s not a career criminal (just Jewish) so she can be rehabilitated, especially since pleading guilty.

    Why do you read this blog if you’re clueless about the law ?

  • Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    Brett Nortje
    November 6, 2012 at 8:36 am

    G,

    You’ve probably seen the news that the Chemlong … fellow is the only person jailed for killing many, many rhinos.

    Deals are done cos we got LAZY NPA – thugs are getting away with murder (literally and figuratively)!

  • Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    John Roberts
    November 6, 2012 at 8:50 am

    Hey JR,

    Do say what happened!

    Re : “Why do you read this blog if you’re clueless about the law ?”

    OB and Dmwangi read this blog and they are both clueless about … everything!

  • Brett Nortje

    John Roberts says:
    November 6, 2012 at 8:50 am

    Is she really guilty if she pleaded guilty?

    Remind us quickly, to how many charges?

  • Gwebecimele

    So Selebi and his then Chief of Intelligence might know enough about the tapes.

    http://www.citypress.co.za/Columnists/The-spy-tapes-arent-Zumas-20121103

  • Brett Nortje

    Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go! says:
    November 6, 2012 at 9:07 am

    Maggs, following JRs irrefutable logic is it really ‘poaching’ if you pay the owner to ‘hunt’ the animal?

    The lastest scam-the-media-to-raise-funds you might have seen on TV is smuggling dogs to Angola.

    I’ve sold puppies to Botswana and Mozambique. (OK, not for a decade so the procedure might have changed…)

    You go to the Dept of Agriculture with the mother’s inoculation certificate and get an export permit, they go to their state vet with a copy of your export permit and the mother’s inoculation certificate and get an import permit and Voila!

    In this country the truth is manipulated from dusk till dawn, the media is stupid and the bureaucrats even dumber.

  • Gwebecimele

    Brett

    I am with you on this one. Wendy is being offered a “Get out of Jail” on credit to be paid at R25 000 per month. Sad for those who lost jobs and money.

    As I type here a Wendy ex-agent is on 702 sharing her sadness and they have lost homes.

  • Gwebecimele

    Wake up and smell the coffee.
    We need a new social contract.

    http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/workers-set-farms-on-fire-1.1418222

  • Brett Nortje

    Gwebecimele, phone in quickly and tell them you know a chap in Australia whose house here is empty who would love to help them.

    JR, time to step up to the plate…

  • Gwebecimele
  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    I am with Thabo on this one. The Auditor General and the PP will fully investigate any legitimate allegations about Nkandla. So why did the nosy Madam from Cape Town have to pull a cheap political stunt?

    Hey?

  • Gwebecimele

    We can only be suprised by headline that suggests that a “BEE Charter” for whatever sector has been succesfully implemented.

    http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/industrials/2012/11/06/construction-sector-charter-has-failed-to-take-bee-forward

  • Gwebecimele