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]]> By: Leigh http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/opposition-parties-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/#comment-17418 Leigh Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:56:44 +0000 http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/?p=1339#comment-17418 Moss, I completely agree with you as regards your views about the ANC's conception of participatory governance. Initially I extended rather a kind view insofar as I chalked up Zuma's election to make public his nomination as being a species of poor judgment. But on reflection I think yours is probably the stronger view. So if dominance and participatory governance are competing interests - and it seems fair to say that they are - the ANC certainly appears to opt for the former. Moss, I completely agree with you as regards your views about the ANC’s conception of participatory governance.

Initially I extended rather a kind view insofar as I chalked up Zuma’s election to make public his nomination as being a species of poor judgment. But on reflection I think yours is probably the stronger view.

So if dominance and participatory governance are competing interests – and it seems fair to say that they are – the ANC certainly appears to opt for the former.

]]> By: Moss http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/opposition-parties-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/#comment-17392 Moss Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:04:38 +0000 http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/?p=1339#comment-17392 @whoever it was - since when has garlic been a traditional african medicine? @ andy - if Caster was running against men her well-elevated testosterone level wouldn't be an issue, but she isn't, is she? (that said, I think she's probably a girl with an unfortunate condition that makes her a fortunate athlete. If she's not doping, her medal must stand) @ Piere - Genuine mistake or not, is Pres Zuma's little slip not indicative of the ANC's attitude to this pesky consultation business? There really is very little desire in the ruling party to embrace participatory democracy, except when it involves bussing in party hacks to shout down the opposition. @whoever it was – since when has garlic been a traditional african medicine?
@ andy – if Caster was running against men her well-elevated testosterone level wouldn’t be an issue, but she isn’t, is she? (that said, I think she’s probably a girl with an unfortunate condition that makes her a fortunate athlete. If she’s not doping, her medal must stand)
@ Piere – Genuine mistake or not, is Pres Zuma’s little slip not indicative of the ANC’s attitude to this pesky consultation business? There really is very little desire in the ruling party to embrace participatory democracy, except when it involves bussing in party hacks to shout down the opposition.

]]> By: Andy http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/opposition-parties-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/#comment-17375 Andy Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:57:21 +0000 http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/?p=1339#comment-17375 :-) We are sooo off topic. Prof is going to bitch slap all of us. :-)
We are sooo off topic.
Prof is going to bitch slap all of us.

]]> By: Anonymouse http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/opposition-parties-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/#comment-17374 Anonymouse Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:37:59 +0000 http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/?p=1339#comment-17374 nkululeko et Andy - Hoorah for Dr Davis! http://www.sport24.co.za/Content/OtherSport/262/d7743aafa4de40c98ca98f63afdb88d0/26-08-2009-09-20/Caster_testosterone_natural nkululeko et Andy – Hoorah for Dr Davis! http://www.sport24.co.za/Content/OtherSport/262/d7743aafa4de40c98ca98f63afdb88d0/26-08-2009-09-20/Caster_testosterone_natural

]]> By: Anonymouse http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/opposition-parties-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/#comment-17372 Anonymouse Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:28:11 +0000 http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/?p=1339#comment-17372 Andy - "If a man has a sex change, can he compete in the Olympics as a woman?" Remember that old song that ends? "... It's a mixed up, muddled-up, shook-up world, a-la-la Lola." Andy – “If a man has a sex change, can he compete in the Olympics as a woman?”

Remember that old song that ends?
“… It’s a mixed up, muddled-up, shook-up world, a-la-la Lola.”

]]> By: Andy http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/opposition-parties-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/#comment-17371 Andy Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:16:53 +0000 http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/?p=1339#comment-17371 @nkululeko Bsaed on new information I don't think the IAAF has a leg to stand on. They just need time to apologise and put the matter to rest. Caster's 3x testosterone levels still do not bring her testostrone levels into the normal range for men. If testosterone doping was an issue then the IAAF should have investigated that. Instead they investigated gender, effectivly clearing Caster of any doping allegation. IAAF rules allows athletes who have had sex reassignment to compete. i.e men who has had surgery and hormone treatment to become female can compete so long as they have been on homones for at least 2 years. If a man has a sex change, can he compete in the Olympics as a woman? http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2782/switch-hitter @nkululeko

Bsaed on new information I don’t think the IAAF has a leg to stand on. They just need time to apologise and put the matter to rest.

Caster’s 3x testosterone levels still do not bring her testostrone levels into the normal range for men. If testosterone doping was an issue then the IAAF should have investigated that. Instead they investigated gender, effectivly clearing Caster of any doping allegation.

IAAF rules allows athletes who have had sex reassignment to compete. i.e men who has had surgery and hormone treatment to become female can compete so long as they have been on homones for at least 2 years.

If a man has a sex change, can he compete in the Olympics as a woman?
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2782/switch-hitter

]]> By: nkululeko http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/opposition-parties-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/#comment-17370 nkululeko Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:54:15 +0000 http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/?p=1339#comment-17370 Mikhail, I'd hate to be you. It may be fun if you're a fiction writer though... There seems to have been no need for the ANCYL or ANCWL to be there. it just made the situation even worse than what it is. Its a scientific issue to be dealt with by those who know about sports science (not the likes of Malema). It is not surprising that a female athlete may have much higher testosterone levels than average women. It is where the hormone levels are much greater than fellow athlets' that we should be concerned. I don't know if you'll find this useful in all your rantings: http://www.inquisitr.com/34573/caster-semenya-testosterone-controversy-coach-a-doper-in-the-70s-80s/ Mikhail, I’d hate to be you.
It may be fun if you’re a fiction writer though…
There seems to have been no need for the ANCYL or ANCWL to be there. it just made the situation even worse than what it is. Its a scientific issue to be dealt with by those who know about sports science (not the likes of Malema).

It is not surprising that a female athlete may have much higher testosterone levels than average women. It is where the hormone levels are much greater than fellow athlets’ that we should be concerned.

I don’t know if you’ll find this useful in all your rantings: http://www.inquisitr.com/34573/caster-semenya-testosterone-controversy-coach-a-doper-in-the-70s-80s/

]]> By: Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/opposition-parties-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/#comment-17367 Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:02:47 +0000 http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/?p=1339#comment-17367 Who amongst us was not delighted to see Winnie Mandela and Julius Malema at OR Tambo this morning to welcome our Golden Girl home from Berlin? Now the BBC and the British press are spreading racist lies: three times elevated testosterone. So, I renew my demand that Mr Malema take charge of the situation. He must issue firm press statements on Wednesday. References to genetic sexual identity and so-called hormonal levels are an arbitrary imposition of so-called western “science.” Imperialists prefer to ignore the fact that we South Africans have a rich inheritance of intuitive wisdom – also a variety of indigenous healing herbs, fruits and vegetables. And, as JZ once noted, we know exactly what to do when we do encounter a person of dubious sexuality. Who amongst us was not delighted to see Winnie Mandela and Julius Malema at OR Tambo this morning to welcome our Golden Girl home from Berlin? Now the BBC and the British press are spreading racist lies: three times elevated testosterone. So, I renew my demand that Mr Malema take charge of the situation. He must issue firm press statements on Wednesday.

References to genetic sexual identity and so-called hormonal levels are an arbitrary imposition of so-called western “science.” Imperialists prefer to ignore the fact that we South Africans have a rich inheritance of intuitive wisdom – also a variety of indigenous healing herbs, fruits and vegetables. And, as JZ once noted, we know exactly what to do when we do encounter a person of dubious sexuality.

]]> By: Peter http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/opposition-parties-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot/#comment-17366 Peter Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:34:31 +0000 http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/?p=1339#comment-17366 khosi - "I just contest that ARV’s are the solution, or even the first port of call, for AIDS." And your solution is? Denial? Let them maar die? PS Andy has produced some interesting statistics after you rather high off-handidly told him to go do some reading.. Lets see yours Khosi? khosi – “I just contest that ARV’s are the solution, or even the first port of call, for AIDS.” And your solution is? Denial? Let them maar die?

PS Andy has produced some interesting statistics after you rather high off-handidly told him to go do some reading.. Lets see yours Khosi?

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