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Reaction to FNB advert like Lady Macbeth’s guilty rants

It is never a good sign when an organisation or individual completely overreacts to perceived criticism. As the simmering discontent of South Africa’s underclass boils over into open revolt and violence and as corrupt shoot-to-kill cops are increasingly deployed in places as far flung as Marikana, De Doorns and Sasolburg to protect the old and new elites from the wrath of the dispossessed, some politicians are increasingly resembling Lady Macbeth, driven by their guilt and shame to commit ever more heinous misdeeds. The hysterical and often undemocratic response of various ANC and SACP structures to the silly First National Bank (FNB) advertising campaign is a case in point.

In Shakespeare’s “Macbeth”, Lady Macbeth urges her husband to kill Duncan, the king, to allow Macbeth to satisfy his ambitions of becoming king. She overrides all of her husband’s objections by challenging his manhood and he relents and kills Duncan. Later Lady Macbeth becomes racked with guilt and sleepwalks through the palace, haunted by the murder of the former king. In this trance she tries to wash off imaginary bloodstains from her hands, shouting: “Out, damned spot! Out, I say!—One, two. Why, then, ’tis time to do ’t. Hell is murky!—Fie, my lord, fie! A soldier, and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our power to account?—Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him.”

The response of the ANC, the ANC Youth League and the SACP to the FNB campaign resembles the attempts of Lady Macbeth to clean imaginary bloodstains from her hands.

What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our power to account?”

The FNB campaign includes videos of young South Africans apparently speaking their minds. In one of the videos a participant says: “Stop voting for the same government in hopes for change – instead, change your hopes to a government that has the same hopes as us.”

The ANC Youth League and SACP joined the ANC in slamming the campaign, with the league saying it was “deeply angered and disappointed” by the bank’s “treacherous” campaign. On Sunday, Youth League spokeswoman Khusela Sangoni-Khawe said FNB had failed in trying to “recreate an Arab Spring of some sort in South Africa” and said it “uses children to make unproven claims of a government rife with corruption. We call upon South Africans to close ranks against what is a treacherous attack on our country.”

ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said the ANC (who is never directly mentioned in any of the videos) was “appalled” by the campaign in which the ANC, its leadership and government were “under attack” the campaign was an “undisguised political statement that makes random and untested accusations against our government in the name of discourse. While we believe that people are entitled to their views, we don’t accept that young kids should be used as proxies to articulate political views espoused, as in the case of the FNB advertisement.”

Out, damned spot! Out, I say!”

These vehement reactions to what appear to be rather mild criticisms of the government and platitudes about one’s right to vote for the party of one’s choice (widely accepted in any functioning democracy) are curious for several reasons.

First, whatever one might think of FNB and its advertising campaign (and I am not a fan of the campaign or of the lily-livered manner in which the bank caved in to political thugs), the manner in which several ANC and SACP spokespersons conflated the ANC with the state and with the country is worrying. The ANC is not the state. Neither is it the sole representative of the South African people. South Africa, in the words of the Freedom Charter, belongs to all who live in it – it does not belong to the ANC. Like any political party, the ANC deserves to be praised when it does something well and deserves to be criticised when it abandons the poor that it professes to love and serve.

Second, the statement that the FNB campaign is treacherous and tries to recreate the Arab Spring, is anti-democratic and – I am sorry to have to use such an emotive term – proto-fascist. There is nothing wrong with telling people that they should refrain from voting for the governing party. Voting for whomever one pleases is at the heart of political freedom in a democratic state. Every democratic election is based on a fair and free contestation between political parties in which we are all allowed to express our preferences.

We are also all free to try and convince others to vote for the ANC, to vote for the DA, or to vote for the TP (Tender Party), for that matter. It is probably not a great business model for a Bank to get involved in an advertising campaign that might alienate the majority of voters, but if it does, there is nothing treacherous about it. If FNB had not pulled the adverts I might even have lauded the bank for putting its principles (which one may agree or disagree with) before naked profits.

The Arab Spring refers to various uprisings organised by oppressed populations in countries where citizens did not enjoy political rights and where democratic contestation and free and fair elections could not be held. To refer to an advertising campaign in which a teenager urges people in South Africa to vote for the party of their choice as an attempt to recreate an Arab Spring, suggests the ANC Youth league believes that South Africa is not a democracy, that its citizens are oppressed and do not enjoy political rights and that they will never be allowed to change the government by using their vote. Like Lady Macbeth wandering in a trance and trying to wash off imaginary bloodstains from her hands, the ANC Youth League is revealing rather more than it intended about its own undemocratic tendencies. Pity Jackson Mthembu will not display the same sense of outrage about this full-frontal attack on our democracy.

Whether one is a staunch ANC supporter or a supporter of the right wing Freedom Front Plus, if one supports democracy one will not be appalled by the fact that an institution has dared to criticise a political party. Only proto-fascists would be appalled by the fact that a bank has dared to broadcast statements criticising the government.

One might, of course, disagree with the sentiments expressed by the youngsters in the FNB produced videos, and the ANC has every right to express its disagreement with some of the statments made by the youngsters. But claiming that the sentiments are treacherous or that it is not legitimate to criticise the party displays the kind of undemocratic intolerance that cannot be associated with a party who supports democracy.

Personally I find that it is better to ignore attacks that are far-fetched or motivated by racism, hatred or a complete lack of information. That is what I do when I am criticised for something I have written. “Don’t feed the trolls,” I tell myself every time I read the unhinged invective of faceless loonies on my Blog. If the criticism is serious, one either responds to it by pointing out why and how it is wrong, or one takes it on board and changes one’s behaviour. Just a thought: use it, don’t use it.

One does not tell those who criticise that they are committing treason or that they are attacking the state merely because one happens (for the time being) to be the party of government.

I was reluctant even to enter this discussion, not because I am fearful of repercussions, but because what I have written here is so obvious and because all this fuss about a bank’s advertising campaign detracts attention from the far more important social and economic issues facing the country.

Maybe that is why the campaign has attracted such hysterical responses from the ANC and its partners. Like Lady Macbeth, whose paranoid dreams symbolises the fact that she is haunted by her guilt, the ANC reaction is perhaps a symptom of the fear and guilt that stalks the political class in South Africa. As Marikana, De Doorns and Sasolburg have shown, the poor, economically excluded and marginalised members of society have not benefited as handsomely from the end of apartheid as the members of the old (mostly white) and emerging (mostly black) middle classes.

While those in the chattering classes squabble about silly adverts made to promote the commercial interests of a big bank and argue whether these adds exploit children, many of those same children are dropping out of school or receiving a third rate education because of the cowardice of politicians who are too scared to take on a powerful union. While I write about the nature of democracy, members of social movement are harassed and tortured by the police. While Helen Zille spends her days on twitter, blaming the poor for the lack of services in their communities in Cape Town, millions of South Africans go to bed hungry, wondering whether this wonderful democracy will ever guarantee them a full stomach.

  • Mike

    @PDV – The summation of your article is a contradiction in terms.We have seen over the years the biggest migration of people, that being blacks from the eastern cape to the western cape since 1994.
    The eastern cape collapsed under maladministration and corruption, but who do these economically excluded and marginalised people vote for in the western cape, why the ANC of course ie more of the same.
    Being an academic you appear not to understand that a persons standard of living is determined by what your input into economy is, and along with that goes taxes, so whites whose economic positions have increased owe it to their contribution to this countries economy.
    But once again how many higly educated and qualified people under the age of forty have emigarted since 1994 simply because the median term outlook in SA is bleak for them.
    You get the goverment you vote for so I have no sympathy for these economically excluded people because the chickens are coming home to roost, period.
    The SACP complained that the ad was offensive because it promoted regime change, but when was that illegal so long as it is done through the ballot box and not the barrel of the gun.

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    This whole controversy seem healthy for our democracy.

    There’s nothing wrong with businesses or other organisations supporting political parties. Religious organisations, labour formations, NGOs support or attack political parties.

    What is the big deal when ANC reacts – it has a right to respond in anywhich way (legally of course) it chooses.

    Those who get intimidated by the ANC remember if you play among the elephants, expect to get trampled.

    FNB is not a messianic institution – it did what it felt it needed to do, the ANC and all it’s pimps responded. SNW?

    As our democracy matures more and more organisations will crawl out of the woodwork – even out of the closet!

    So FNB “How can you help us” – grow some balls, flight the ads!

    p.s. Don’t forget FNB that you guys got involved in some interesting stuff with your financing of #NkandlaCompound which Big Mac was a director.

    As Dworky always says – take the tree stump out your own eye before you pull weeds from your neighbour’s garden (or something like that)!

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mike
    January 23, 2013 at 13:44 pm

    Mr Mike,

    “We have seen over the years the biggest migration of people, that being blacks from the eastern cape to the western cape since 1994.”

    Do you mean that the migration is the biggest ever experienced WC?

    Or do you mean that more people moved from EC to WC than people moving from EC to any other province in our country?

  • Uhm

    The over reaction is similar to that of a guilty person being accused by their partner of cheating “oh, ok so know you don’t trust me, that’s just great, so all of sudden I’m a so called cheater…you know what…how can I be sure that you’re cheating…that you are accusing me of cheating, because all along you’ve been cheating”.

    Hilarious to say the least.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    The real question.

    Why these adds only now, after the “left-leaning” wing in the ANC has consolidated power at Mangaung. Why all these violent uprisings, attacks on ANC councillors and leaders when they start talking of “fundamentally transforming the economy” instead of just eternally blaming it on Whites.

    Who is behind this?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    “That is what I do when I am criticised for something I had written. “Don’t feed the trolls,” I tell myself every time I read the unhinged invective of faceless loony’s on my Blog.”

    Some of us are not professional White liberals and could get fired for speaking the truth.

    You must live in a parochial little dream world my friend, if you believe that “democracy” is the global norm and that it guarantees freedom of speech.

    http://tech.ca.msn.com/most-notorious-facebook-arrests

    “Police everywhere are figuring out how to use Facebook and other social networking services to nab law breakers. In many cases, the services themselves are co-operating and providing technical information to authorities.

    While the internet used to provide a high degree of anonymity, the rising tide of Facebook arrests demonstrates that while it’s still possible to run, it’s getting harder to hide – especially for people using social networks.”

  • Lisbeth

    PdV

    “The ANC Youth League and SACP joined the ANC in slamming the campaign”

    You forgot to mention the fat old mamas of the ANC Women’s League.

    The ANC Women’s League called on FNB to apologise for the “offensive and politically biased advertisements”. “It is concerning that a financial institution holds such strong political views and it is clear from the content of these adverts that FNB has a distinct antigovernment stance,” the Women’s League said in a statement.

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Johannesburg – The presidency expressed disappointment and surprise on Wednesday over First National Bank’s “You Can Help Campaign”.

    “Frivolous adverts which display hatred of government or the ruling party will not help us to achieve the country’s developmental goals,” it said in a statement.

    “The presidency is disappointed and surprised by the one-sided First National Bank campaign.”

    http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/Presidency-surprised-by-FNB-campaign-20130123

  • Graham

    I quite liked what you had to say, Pierre, until you insisted on invoking the De Vos variant of Godwin’s Law: if you rabbit on long enough, poor Helen Zille (and the DA) will be dragged into the debate.

  • Mike

    @Maggs – the latter, and I am well aware of the numbers that moved to KZN, but that was during the days of apartheid after 1962.
    I specifically mentioned since 1994, and question why having moved from a failed province under the ANC they still continue to vote for the ANC in the western cape.

  • Gwebecimele

    Government can enhance this democracy and openness by releasing or rerun the ” Jali Commission Report on Bank charges” with quotes from the customers.

    Silly politicians and executives playing ping pong with the poor.

  • Gwebecimele

    Poor us we get more loved during elections and when we are employed/salaried or have a big bak balance. Trust these two groups equally, ask Miss Gundwane.

  • Gwebecimele
  • Gwebecimele

    BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!

    Pity they left out Price from UCT.

    http://mg.co.za/article/2005-03-25-wrath-of-dethroned-white-males

    http://mg.co.za/article/2013-01-23-blade-picks-makgoba-to-chair-university-transformation-team

    “Baboons or bonobos, for example, are often headed by a dominant male with pretenders to the throne hanging around. The dominant male ensures that progeny are not only his through reproduction, but also that all members of the colony imitate him. He becomes the “gold standard”. Ultimately the dominant male is dethroned by a younger and fitter male, only to repeat another variation cycle of hierarchy, dominance and imitation.

    The dethroned male becomes depressed, quarrelsome and a spoiler of the new order until he gets ostracised from the colony to lead a frustrated, lonely and unhappy life. This is our “primate heritage” by Makgoba

  • Zoo Keeper

    Prof

    Yes, the ANC has protested too much about this ad campaign.

    A ruling party that was confident in its ability to deliver, and knew it was delivering would not give the ad the time of day, it may even find it quaint. The ANC reminds me of the Nats more and more!

    I know you really don’t like Zille and that’s fine (she irks me from time to time too), but I’ve never heard her blame the poor for a lack of service delivery – unless it was in the case of voting for the same bunch who promise everything and only deliver a food parcel once every 5 years? If she has that’s pretty stupid stuff – could you paste a link for us?

    The real MacBeth was actually quite a good king if my history serves me well.

  • Willem Wikkelspies

    Understanding BEE

    Lungelwa is the proprietor of a Tavern , in Rockville , Soweto. She realizes that virtually all of her customers are unemployed alcoholics and, as such, can no longer afford to patronize her bar. To solve this problem, she comes up with a new marketing plan that allows her customers to drink now, but pay later.

    Lungelwa keeps track of the drinks consumed on a ledger (thereby granting the customers loans).Word gets around about Lungelwa ‘s “drink now, pay later” marketing strategy and, as a result , increasing numbers of customers flood into Lungelwa ‘s bar. Soon she has the largest sales volume of any bar in Soweto. By providing her customers freedom from immediate payment demands, Lungelwa gets no resistance when, at regular intervals, she substantially increases her prices for wine and beer, the most consumed beverages. Consequently, Lungelwa ‘s gross sales volume increases massively .

    A young and dynamic area manager at the local bank recognizes that these customer debts constitute valuable future assets and increases Lungelwa ‘s borrowing limit. He sees no reason for any undue concern, since he has the debts of the unemployed alcoholics as Collateral !!! At the bank’s corporate headquarters, expert traders figure a way to make huge commissions, and transform these customer loans into DRINK BONDS . These “securities” then are bundled and traded on international securities markets.

    Naive investors don’t really understand that the securities being sold to them as “AAA Secured Bonds” really are debts of unemployed alcoholics. Nevertheless, the bond prices continuously Climb !!!, and the securities soon become the hottest-selling items for some of the nation’s leading brokerage houses . One day, even though the bond prices still are climbing, a risk manager at the original local bank decides that the time has come to demand payment on the debts incurred by the drinkers at Lungelwa ‘s bar. So he so informs Lungelwa .

    Lungelwa then demands payment from her alcoholic patrons, but being unemployed alcoholics they cannot pay back their drinking debts . Since Lungelwa cannot fulfil her loan obligations , she is forced into bankruptcy. The bar closes and Lungelwa ‘s 11 employees lose their jobs. Overnight, DRINK BOND prices drop by 90%. The collapsed bond asset value destroys the bank’s liquidity and prevents it from issuing new loans , thus freezing credit and economic activity in the community.

    The suppliers of Lungelwa ‘s bar had granted her generous payment extensions and had invested their firms’ pension funds in the BOND securities . They find they are now faced with having to write off her bad debt and with losing over 90% of the presumed value of the bonds . Her wine supplier also claims bankruptcy, closing the doors on a family business that had endured for three generations , her beer supplier is taken over by a competitor who immediately closes the local plant and lays off 150 workers.

    Fortunately though, the bank, the brokerage houses and their respective executives are saved and bailed out by a multibillion dollar no-strings attached cash infusion from the ANC government . The funds required for this bailout are obtained by new taxes levied on employed, middle-class , Non drinkers who have never been in Lungelwa ‘s bar.

    Now do you understand BEE ?

  • ozoneblue

    Makgoba has a wonderful track record fucking up UKZN. And he cerainly taught those coolies a thing or two.

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mike
    January 23, 2013 at 16:39 pm

    Mike – what’s your source?

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Willem Wikkelspies
    January 23, 2013 at 17:32 pm

    Wow Wikkel Guy,

    “Now do you understand BEE ?”

    Sounds like BEE is the business model used by the most powerful nations on the planet!

  • Chris (Not the right wing guy)

    I went to the bank and now I’m a proud new account holder at FNB.

  • mike venter

    Ozoneblue, no not really try again. BEE is not about debt borrowed to unemployed. That story is about USA property debt.

  • mike venter

    Apologies I see it is Willem Wikkelspies that posted the BEE story

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    January 23, 2013 at 19:18 pm

    High maggs. How do you feel about the impending “transformation” of our universities under Makgoba. Perhaps you and PdV are the next ones to be “frog-marched” off campus. Now that would be funny. LOL.

    “The vice-chancellor of the University of KwaZulu-Natal (UKZN), Prof William Makgoba, had embarked on “ethnic cleansing” along racial lines since 2005, sources at the university told The New Age this week. One of the sources is in charge of 500 support staff and 250 academics at the university and explained in detail how Makgoba started his cleansing campaign in 2005 in all earnest during the 50th anniversary of the medical school when President Jacob Zuma addressed alumni.

    The black doctors’ forum threatened to boycott celebrations at the time unless they were given opportunity to address all the guests attending the celebrations. At the event Indian doctors and academics were vilified by various speakers representing the black doctor’s forum, The New Age was told.

    Makgoba said during the celebrations that there were two periods of dominations by whites and Indians on the campus. The first one was the pre-1994 era when “the whites roamed the corridors of the institution” and the second was 2005 to clean out the remaining whites and Indian academics as well as certain black progressive staff members.

    It officially started with the tasteless incident when Prof Wim Sturm’s predecessor as dean of the medical faculty, Prof Barry Kistnasamy was physically frog-marched off the campus, his title removed as professor and changed to doctor while the students went on a rampage, desecrating Mohandas Gandhi’s statue.

    “Kistnasamy received no protection and was never given any credit for the good work he had done,” former colleagues said. Kistnasamy today holds the position as the executive director of the National Institute for Occupational Health and the National Cancer Registry based in Johannesburg since 2009.

    During his time as dean of medicine at the UKZN he, together with the support of the then University of Natal executive management, conceptualised and fundraised for the Doris Duke Medical Research Institute, formalised the major outreach programmes under a university chair in rural health and a university chair in telemedicine. He also raised the profile of the medical school through its renaming as the Nelson R Mandela School of Medicine.

    In 2005 a total of 23 academics were named as being racist in a controversial audit report costing the university a whopping R1.5m.”

    http://thenewage.co.za/Detail.aspx?mid=53&news_id=52580&cat_id=1010

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Bafana 2- Angola 0.

    Well done boys!

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Blue Ozone
    January 23, 2013 at 20:02 pm

    Ozone Boy,

    “High maggs. How do you feel about the impending “transformation” of our universities under Makgoba. Perhaps you and PdV are the next ones to be “frog-marched” off campus. Now that would be funny. LOL.”

    I’m ok with that and I’m pretty certain that it will sort itself out in a short while.

    But things like this story are particularly bothersome http://mg.co.za/article/2013-01-23-w-cape-school-overstepped-constitutional-bounds

    A school that barred two Muslim students after they refused to remove their religious head dress has contravened the Constitution.

    The Western Cape education department has urged a Kraaifontein school to resolve the situation in which two siblings were prevented from attending school unless they agreed to remove their religious head dresses.

    Die Burger on Wednesday reported that siblings Sakeenah (16) and Bilaal Dramat (13), new students at Eben Dönges High School, have not attended school for five days after the school’s principal, Wilfred Taylor, told their parents the children would not be allowed into the school as long as they wore their head dresses.

    Even though I think that religion ought to be outlawed, we are bound by our Constitution.

    The arrogance of these school authorities needs to be curtailed.

    This is a case where the department ought to have walked into the school and ordered them to immediately allow the children back in class (Rivonia with a vengeance perhaps?) and not the weak response reported i.e.

    Department spokesperson Paddy Attwell told the Mail & Guardian that a meeting between the school and the children’s parents would hopefully take place on Wednesday.

    “Our district officer has discussed the issue with the school in-depth and has also written to the school to notify the principal that he must meet the learners’ parents as a matter of urgency to resolve the issue,” he said.

    “We believe it’s a simple matter to accommodate learners’ religious beliefs by adjusting dress codes as required. We strongly urge schools to follow national guidelines on school uniforms.”

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    January 23, 2013 at 20:54 pm

    More or less the same thing happened at my (formerly) 9 years old “traditional English” school. They elected a token Indian SGB chairman, but told nobody who the candidates were or when the elections were held.

    Just he wasn’t token enough.

    So he gave some Muslims a chance to speak at parents meeting asking for some minor changes in dress code, mostly that it was inappropriate for little girls to run around in school uniforms that looked more like mini-skirts and apparently exposed too much leg, the Muslims wanted their kids to wear sweater pants underneath.

    Pretty soon same parents who elected this oke were running around frantically with petition forms campaigning to have him removed.

    Now there is real fucking WHITENESS for you. But the Black parents all signed.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ PdV

    “. . . the unhinged invective of faceless loonies on my Blog.”

    Maggs, I think Pierre is referring to us!

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Pierre

    “While Helen Zille spends her days on twitter, blaming the poor for the lack of services in their communities in Cape Town”

    Pierre is right. By my count, “Aunty” Zille has spent at least 18 days on Twitter since November — and the balance learning to dance like a monkey!

    No wonder the WC is a magnet for refugees eager to enjoy the benefits of the DA’s “loos with views”!

    Thanks.

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    January 23, 2013 at 22:23 pm

    LOL Dworky,

    I don’t think so – if PdV intended you and I, he would have used much stronger language of the flowery kind like Peter Bruce did with me on Twitter today (but that was cos he could hand it out and not take it, the coward!)

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    January 23, 2013 at 22:30 pm

    Et tu Dworky?

    “No wonder the WC is a magnet for refugees eager to enjoy the benefits of the DA’s “loos with views”!”

    Where do you guys get this from?

    South Africa belongs to all who live in it!

    People move around for various reasons.

    There’s no evidence that people are moving more to WC than to other provinces from the EC – if anything the reported stats say otherwise!

    I see Aunty Zille is pretty quiet about the Eben Dönges High School saga which falls within her Provincial competence – it’s a blatant disregard for our constitution.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Ozoneguy

    Sorry, I was only joking when I quoted those rubbish stats showing that average white income was 6x that of African! Everyone knows that the average African income is higher than that of whites. Respek to ANC for achieving economic TRANSFORMATION so rapidly!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    January 24, 2013 at 0:27 am

    The average African income is always going to be lower than anything else MFD.

    Even the Indians. Unless Blade Nzimande and his new sidekick “Professor” William Makgoba can reinvent a Traditionally African wikipedia, lets call it the Afripedia, with only politically correct entries invented, edited and peer reviewed by White liberals ONLY.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_African_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    And even before Professor Mokgoba could mention it our White liberals from UCT are already chipping away at that entirely White Supremacist concept of measuring academic “merit” in turns of publications and citations. It is an interesting place that UCT I have never seen a bunch of White people who are quite so pre-emptively liberal and can crawl up the new Black boss’s arse so fast and so enthusiastically even before it has been extended to be kissed and caressed.

    “Citation rate

    Instead, some institutions have tried to fast track their rankings by simply buying in foreign academics with a high publication rate. This increases the ratio of international staff, publication rates and (presumably) the average citation rate, as well as increasing positive impressions of the institution, which is all-important for the entirely subjective reputational measure.

    Even better, in South Africa this way of gaming the system is enabled by the state’s publication-based incentive system, which can in effect pay a professor’s salary if the academic concerned produces six publications or more. All well and good, but what exactly has this achieved for the South African citizens who are the source of these funds? Potentially nothing: local academics have been crowded out of jobs, young academics – starting out with lower publication rates – are discarded or used primarily for teaching and taxpayer money is devoted to research with no substantive local connection.”

    http://mg.co.za/article/2013-01-04-17-university-rankings-a-flawed-tool

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Maggs

    “There’s no evidence that people are moving more to WC than to other provinces from the EC – if anything the reported stats say otherwise!”

    Maggs, it could well be that the following is as nonsensical as the stats supposedly showing that “white” income is 6X that of “blacks”, but consider it anyway:

    [According to Census 2011] The population of the Western Cape grew by 28.7 %, from almost four million to 5.9 million. … . In the Eastern Cape, 436,466 people left the province in the last ten years. Ninety-four percent of the Eastern Cape population was born in the province, compared to 56% in Gauteng. Almost two million people born in the Eastern Cape live in other provinces, with the majority living in Western Cape (0.9 million) and Gauteng (0.5 million)”

    http://dailymaverick.co.za/article/2012-11-07-on-the-move-south-africa-and-migration

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    January 24, 2013 at 8:50 am

    Dworky,

    Wow – thanks bud. That’s impressive.

    Now I understand fully how it was concluded that “people are moving more to WC than to other provinces from the EC”.

    p.s. Did you attend a weekend course at the graduate school which impresses WHITE people?

  • Brett Nortje

    Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) says:
    January 23, 2013 at 20:54 pm

    Maggs, you’re one silly individual. What do you regards as “in a short while”?
    The key to Makgoba’s reign at UKZN is the scandal he starred in at Wits.

    Why did you not post information about that, as being relevant to your discussion with OBS (which is relevant to the blog only in the hugely wider macro sense, I might add) rather than some non-sequitur about PLO garb which can only be seen as some kind of half-assed justification of your ‘transformation agenda’?

    Please humour me in this somewhat esoteric inquiry.

    There. I’ve helped you a bit.

    P.s. How is the exhortation in your even sillier NDR blueprint going – to publicly ‘win the battle of ideas’? LOLOL!

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje
    January 24, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Hey Brett,

    That makes a lot of sense.

    p.s. I have no clue what you’re talking about!

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Maggs, I doubt very much that refugees move from the EC to the WC only because they find the “loos with mountain views” attractive. I suspect it is more because, being of low self-esteem, many of the refugees actually enjoy being treated like foreigners in their own country!

    Thanks

  • Brett Nortje

    What I said. Clueless.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Brett Nortje
    January 24, 2013 at 9:11 am

    Please leave magss and Pierre alone. They are secretly practising the UKZN frog-march.

    And maggs’s Zulu leaves a lot to be desired, he might just start suffering from a complex soon. Fortunately he has already denounced that a half-naked fakir in public.

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    January 24, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Dworky,

    That’s for the geography lesson.

    Now show me where it is shown that more people move from EC to WC than from EC to say GP!

  • Alibama

    As others have pointed out Willem Wikkelspies’ wrong description of BEE,
    applies more to the ‘anglo’ housing bubble, and completely lacks the nepotism
    factor, which is essential to the BEE/Zimbabwe scenario.
    Wikkelspies is definately NOT a racist: some one who understands/recognises
    racially determined cognitive attributes. He’s got a problem in recognising,
    ie. discriminating between different patterns. He needs to learn to keep
    eggs and bananas APART. Get it?

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Maggs

    “Now show me where it is shown that more people move from EC to WC than from EC to say GP!”

    You are right. But please show me where I said that. Can’t remember now.

    Thanks.

  • Gwebecimele

    OB is this the Makgoba “destruction” you were talking about???

    http://www.bdlive.co.za/opinion/2013/01/24/university-of-kwazulu-natal-creates-model-for-leadership

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Gwebecimele
    January 24, 2013 at 10:00 am

    gwebs. I spoke to a Black engineering student from KZN recently who said UKZN is the last place on earth where he would want to do his masters – citing various examples of how the university has suffered a dramatic decline in quality and quantity of the socalled hard sciences. He said he would rather study at UP or NWU now. Which is sort of ironic because just a decade ago PUK prided itself in its superior “research output”, obviously not mentioning it was largely output in the field of Calvinist Theology.

    So I have no doubt that any university can quantitatively improve its outputs by focusing more on certain subjects like for example these “Whiteness Studies”, or languages or Africa studies. The question is do we want to “transform” our entire HE in that direction?

    “Like all the other professional schools at UKZN — engineering, architecture, psychology, accountancy and so on — there is now a real danger of losing recognition by the appropriate professions, without which, of course, these departments cannot continue.

    Inevitably, this unashamed nativism created a political opportunity for the dying department of Zulu, which was perishing from a sheer lack of students. Under Makgoba, the department grew to become the school of Zulu studies, with more staff and resources — but since they had so few students to teach they, were obviously available to occupy powerful positions in the administration, which is perhaps how Hlongwa (a professor of Zulu) became dean.”

    http://www.witness.co.za/index.php?showcontent&global_id=77916

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    January 24, 2013 at 9:58 am

    Dworky

    “But please show me where I said that. Can’t remember now.”

    Implied when you responded to January 23, 2013 at 22:43 pm with :

    January 24, 2013 at 8:50 am

    “[According to Census 2011] The population of the Western Cape grew by 28.7 %, from almost four million to 5.9 million. … . In the Eastern Cape, 436,466 people left the province in the last ten years. Ninety-four percent of the Eastern Cape population was born in the province, compared to 56% in Gauteng. Almost two million people born in the Eastern Cape live in other provinces, with the majority living in Western Cape (0.9 million) and Gauteng (0.5 million)”

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Alibama
    January 24, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Hey Alibaba

    “He needs to learn to keep eggs and bananas APART. Get it?”

    Why – a banana omelet is delicious!

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Maggs

    Hmmmmmm … “implied.”

    My bad. I withdraw the implication unreservedly, and offer to make an amends.

    By similar token, I humbly apologise to Mr OzoneBoy for implying that “whites” average income was 6X that of “blacks”, and that at current rates the difference would be closed by 2061!

    Thanks.

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    January 24, 2013 at 10:39 am

    Dworky

    “I humbly apologise to Mr OzoneBoy”

    Hmmm!

    Sorry I don’t get involved in domestic disputes – get a marriage counselor!

  • Gwebecimele
  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Gwebe is right. UKZN is the most TRANSFORMED of our universities. Fortunately, Prof Makgoba has, however, not tolerated troublesome academics who associate too closely with militant civil society groups resisting the clearing of shack settlements around the city.

    I also admire Prof Makgoba for his embrace of UBUNTU, stout defense of Judge Hlophe, and his wise words in the M&G in 2005:

    “The white male [must] . . .like Johnny Clegg, learns to dance and sing like Ladysmith Black Mambazo. He should learn kwaito, dance like Lebo, dress like Madiba, enjoy eating “smiley and walkies” and attend ‘“lekgotla” and socialise at our taverns.

    He must soon accept, value and imitate the things that matter dearly to Africans. The sooner this white male gets out of his denial mode, the sooner he will receive treatment and proper African rehabilitation. Surely, our white male group can and should do better than the baboon or the bonobo.”

    http://mg.co.za/article/2005-03-25-wrath-of-dethroned-white-males

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    January 24, 2013 at 10:39 am

    The truth is 7/10 RICH people in South Africa are BLACK.

    And that is the important fact. The wealth in this country is controlled by Blacks, it is therefore time that we all demand that Blacks share our wealth equally with all South Africans.

    http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/wp-content/uploads/scanned-document11nov2012_newspaper.jpg

  • Brett Nortje

    Dude, we’re not going to get on if you continue quoting your (I have seen it described as “cringeworthy”) blog at us.

    Phansi self-promotion and careerism PHANSI!

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ OzoneGuy

    “it is therefore time that we all demand that Blacks share our wealth equally with all South Africans.”

    On reflection, you are right. That is why I am demanding a once-off WEALTH TAX on blacks to finance the upliftment of poor whites in Coronationville!

    Maggs, will you join us in our campaign?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Brett Nortje
    January 24, 2013 at 12:02 pm

    LOL.

    Sure – if there is one sure way to see a “career” of any sort come to a veryabrupt end then you must mention to your Black bosses that it is time to drop AA/BEE now or to redistribute their houses in Sandton or those fancy black BMWs with the flashing blue lights.

  • Brett Nortje

    Phew! Zille is starting to lie like the ANC.

    http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=352589&sn=Detail&pid=71616

    “The 1913 Land Act was apartheid’s “original sin” because it reserved 87% of South Africa’s land exclusively for white ownership”

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje
    January 24, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Ok Goofy,

    “Phew! Zille is starting to lie like the ANC.”

    What do you think was apartheid’s “original sin”?

    p.s. Being unChristian is not an option!

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Maggs, I say that removal of “coloureds” from the roll in the 50’s was the worst.

    Apartheid was also UNCHRISTIAN in, as Brett has pointed out, lavishing food, schools, hospitals, roads, houses, loos and nation states on blacks, this depriving them of the opportunity to building these things for themselves!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Brett Nortje
    January 24, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Did you also spot the BIG LIE>

    “The 1913 Land Act was apartheid’s “original sin” because it reserved 87% of South Africa’s land exclusively for white ownership, as the basis of the “Bantustan” policy. It not only dispossessed many black South Africans of the land they owned, but also sought to prohibit black people from ever acquiring land in so-called “white” South Africa. The ultimate aim of the National Party government was to strip black South Africans of their citizenship.”

    Apartheid only became government policy in 1948 when the National Party came into power. There was no system called “apartheid” in 1913, the National Party only formed in 1915 and entered into a coalition with the South African Party in 1924 to form the United Party now part of the British Empire dominion of the Union of South Africa.

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje
    January 24, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    Brett – this means YOU!!!

    Holocaust denial is regarded as a vile affront to our humanity and an act of violence against its victims. The perpetrators were compelled to recognise their crimes and some measure of restitution was made to the victims. Shouldn’t being an apologist for apartheid be treated as equally obscene and as an affront to the people of Africa?

    http://www.bdlive.co.za/opinion/columnists/2013/01/23/treat-apartheid-apologists-like-holocaust-deniers

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    pfttt. Holocaust.

    Now isn’t that a very nasty word to throw around.

    “The Holocaust (from the Greek ὁλόκαυστος holókaustos: hólos, “whole” and kaustós, “burnt”)[2] also known as the Shoah (Hebrew: השואה, HaShoah, “catastrophe”; Yiddish: חורבן, Churben or Hurban, from the Hebrew for “destruction”), was the mass murder or genocide of approximately six million Jews during World War II, a programme of systematic state-sponsored murder by Nazi Germany, led by Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party, throughout German-occupied territory.[3][4] Of the nine million Jews who had resided in Europe before the Holocaust, approximately two-thirds were killed.[5] Over one million Jewish children were killed in the Holocaust, as were approximately two million Jewish women and three million Jewish men.[6][7]

    Some scholars argue that the mass murder of the Romani and people with disabilities should be included in the definition,[8][9] and some use the common noun “holocaust” to describe other Nazi mass murders, including those of Soviet prisoners of war, Polish and Soviet civilians, and homosexuals.[10][11] Recent estimates based on figures obtained since the fall of the Soviet Union indicates some ten to eleven million civilians and prisoners of war were intentionally murdered by the Nazi regime.[12][13]”

    Mass murder/genocide of almost 6 million Jews.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

  • Brett Nortje

    Maggs, Pallo Jordan can join the queue of people who can bite me. Where was he when Cde Blade was threatening a law to subject us to ihlonipho like he would his cheeky girlfriend?

    Ignoramus!

    Note how that percentage of South Africa’s population confined to 13% of the land keeps rising as the black population grows — 2/3, 87%, 93%. LOL!

    The English gave half the productive land to black tribes – where do you think Swaziland and Lesotho come from? WHose fault is it the people in charge of the homelands could not behave like they were white but started to make like kings-and-serfs?

    Then the people who made war on us shortly before started planning how to deal with the black population, but Zille blames it on us. Cool. Chase Afrikaners away. Give the Cape to ANC.

    My sister and her family went to that Afrikaner bastion – Die Eiland – for their end-of-year vacation. While they were there they visited Jaco’s family farm. There is fokol left. Even the orchards are dead. There is one lone house on the place. Even their farmhouse has been carried away.

    Then my sister & fam visited Giyani. Kremetart is GONE. All those lovely huge wild figs GONE. School, army base… No water – people working for them had a Christmas dinner of Coke and bread.

    Pallo must wake up and smell the 21st Century.

  • Brett Nortje

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder says:
    January 24, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    I’m kinda leaning that way too.

    WHat was worse under Apartheid? Education? Babies dying in hospital? Deaths in detention?

  • Brett Nortje

    Sure as hell no 500 000 murders during Apartheid!

  • Brett Nortje

    Think Tannie Elise would have let Oom PW do nothing while 2 000 000 black kids became AIDS orphans?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Brett Nortje
    January 24, 2013 at 13:57 pm

    “While they were there they visited Jaco’s family farm. There is fokol left. Even the orchards are dead. There is one lone house on the place. Even their farmhouse has been carried away. Then my sister & fam visited Giyani. Kremetart is GONE. All those lovely huge wild figs GONE. School, army base… No water – people working for them had a Christmas dinner of Coke and bread.”

    Brett. The point is they don’t care.

    “Asked why they were looting shops if their anger was directed at the municipality, Ndlovu said: “Because we can. We are not stealing we are taking … the government will replace this stuff anyway and I need stuff like beer.

    The government must know that if they do not give us what we want we will make this province ungovernable. No one will ever work here again. No child will ever go to school here again. We will burn and destroy everything,” she said.”

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/01/22/give-us-what-we-want—or-else

    They are “transforming” South Africa. Just see how Makgoba has transformed the UKZN to a world-leader with prolific outputs on Whiteness studies, African studies, Zulu studies, Bible studies, Woodwork studies and Agriculture studies.

    Even Verwoerd would be chaffed with such an impressive achievement.

  • Mike

    @MAGGS 12.18PM – How can apartheid be compared to the holocaust when it actually resulted in the black population increasing at at faster rate than any other race group in this country.How are you going to define the Defecane that swept acxross tis country and punish those that deny its affect as the biggest mass murder of blacks by blacks.

  • Truth

    “So it was a time of disappointment for many us – Muldoon, Eusebius, Dr Eve, myself, that little law prof in Cape Town (Pierre de Vos, who also rabbitted on at Muldoon), and so on.” Jeremy Gordin: The Gordin Codswallop Counter, 22 January 2012, Politics web

    This got me laughing

  • Brett Nortje

    Blue Ozone says:
    January 24, 2013 at 14:30 pm

    Sjoe! I thought I’d seen everything South Africa had to offer by way of hating on Afrikaners Much of it on the pages of Constitutionallyspeaking but Otjie Helen Zille reached a new low.

    I’m also surprised she didn’t blame Verwoerd for the Land Act. So eager to fall in with the ANC’s existential myths.

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Eish – WHITE people are angry, ne!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    January 24, 2013 at 15:31 pm

    Who’s going to pay for this burning and looting in Sasolburg, hey maggs?

    You, me, Brett, Gwebs, tax payers – we should all be pretty fucking angry. It is not the first time either. How many times have the ANC government now grossly “mismanaged” one of these mergers with zero consultations with the community?

    Sasolburg, Secunda – a major contribution from Afrikaners to the development of this continent. By us “baboons” and “bonobos” who have developed South Africa into the former economical POWER HOUSE of Afrika, with the formerly finest university rated 1/2/3 on the continent.

    It is totally unacceptable, this shit is going to have to stop.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Brett

    “Maggs [and] Pallo Jordan can join the queue of people who can bite me.”

    Brett, while I respect your orientation, I do not see why you have to share your peculiar brand of non-heteronormative mandibularist fantasies on the site.

    Thanks.

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Blue Ozone
    January 24, 2013 at 16:13 pm

    Hey Ozone boy,

    “You, me, Brett, Gwebs, tax payers – we should all be pretty fucking angry.”

    I have this feeling of being watched – I know that Prof MO is lurking in the background waiting to pounce and attack me like a angry Ninja on steroids.

    If he wasn’t I’d tell you to go tell your granny!

    But I can’t tell you to go tell your granny cos you-know-who is watching, waiting …

    p.s. go tell your granny!

    p.p.s. White people are always angry, ne!

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    January 24, 2013 at 16:30 pm

    Dworky,

    I met a guy from the EC today.

    He said he was lost – he was on his way to WC but took the wrong taxi.

    WDYSTT, eh?

  • Gwebecimele
  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Maggs

    “I met a guy from the EC today. He said he was lost – he was on his way to WC but took the wrong taxi”

    Funny you should say that. Last year, I encountered a nice-looking lady at Zagreb airport. She asked me where she was. When I told her, she explained that she was Croatia’s delegate in Davos, had meant to fly there, but had by accident taken an Emirates “Dreamliner” heading South!

    WSYSTT?

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    January 24, 2013 at 18:06 pm

    Dworky,

    Heading South, eh – that must have been Matilda.

    I hope you did the right thing and pointed her in the direction of the Republic of Western Cape, the land of milk and honey for the lost, lonely, poor and/or other refugees of all shapes and sizes.

  • Emm

    Dear Pierre, where do all these comenters come from? Good lord. I cannot believe the poor information, the bitterness, the negativity.

  • Brett Nortje

    From a country where c-o-m-m-e-n-t is spelled with two ‘m’s…

  • sirjay jonson

    Brett Nortje
    January 24, 2013 at 19:22 pm

    What country is that Brett, must be South Africa as in kommentaar, right?

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje
    January 24, 2013 at 19:22 pm

    Brett,

    Be kind to strangers – Emm still believes in the “good lord”; give it time.

    Well Emm – ignore Brett, he’s just a stick in the mud.

    But if you really want to know where people come from here goes :

    Dworky comes from Transalvania (sometimes with his duck);

    Brett comes from the dog pound;

    JR from down under;

    Ozone Boy from over the top;

    Mike doesn’t;

    Sijay in the river (sometimes);

    Dmwangi from a graduate school which will impress you;

    And me from India with 1.39 billion other coolies.

    But do look past the “poor information, the bitterness, the negativity” – beneath that you will find that we all are really people with poor information, the bitterness, the negativity.

    Hope that helps!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Emm
    January 24, 2013 at 18:26 pm

    “where do all these comenters come from”

    Mother AFRIKA.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Maggs, she is a little girl who knows nothing. Clearly, she loves to bash the ANC. I suggest that she come down here and hide under the wing of nice Aunty Zille, whom I sure will find her a nice job in the DA caucus!

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    So Emm,

    If you think we lot are bad, just what tricks the national government are using to “clean up” Limpopo!

    Polokwane – About 15 000 crocodiles escaped from the Rakwena crocodile farm near Pontdrif after the Limpopo River came down in flood on Sunday evening.

    http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Crocodiles-on-the-loose-in-Limpopo-20130124-2

  • Brett Nortje

    Nice to feel that rush – power over white people:

    Video: Voor gesin gegryp

    2013-01-24 23:14
    Lourensa Eckard

    Twee kleuter-boeties het Sondagaand huilend toegekyk hoe die polisie hul pa teen ’n sypaadjie gooi en aanrand.

    Bruce Swart van Germiston het ’n klag van aanranding by die Benoni-polisiekantoor aanhangig gemaak nadat hy na bewering deur twee lede van die polisie se honde-eenheid aangerand is.

    “Hulle het my uit my voertuig gepluk en my teen die sypaadjie gegooi. Een van die mans se hande was om my nek. Dit het gevoel asof ek verwurg word,” het Swart gesê.

    Hy en sy verloofde, Natashia van Zyl, was Sondagaand saam met hul twee seuns, Jayden (4) en Justin (2), op pad huis toe nadat hulle by vriende in Benoni aandete geniet het.

    Hulle was skaars by die hek van die Northvilla-veiligheidskompleks toe hulle deur die twee polisielede afgetrek is.

    “Albei die mans was baie aggressief en arrogant met my. Hulle vra toe om my rybewys te sien, maar my beursie was in die paneelkissie. Ek het baie gebewe en gevra of ek net terug kan ry na my vriende se huis sodat ek my beursie kan soek,” het Swart gesê.

    Volgens Swart het die twee ingestem, maar toe hulle by die vriende se veiligheidskompleks-hek stilhou, het die twee mans uit hul voertuig geklim en Swart uit sy motor gepluk.

    “Ek het hulle gevra of ons na die naaste polisiekantoor toe kan ry, want my seuns was agter in die motor.”

    Swart is toe teen die sypaadjie gegooi. “Die een het my met sy knie aanhoudend teen die rug gestamp. Die ander een het sy hande om my nek gehad en my kop teen die randsteen gekap.”

    Swart en Van Zyl se oudste seun, Jayden, het histeries begin skree.

    “Ek het hom probeer kalmeer, maar hy was baie bang. Dit het seker vir hom gelyk of hulle sy pappa doodmaak,” het Van Zyl gesê. Volgens haar is albei hul seuns getraumatiseer.

    “As hulle nou ’n polisieman sien, raak hulle baie bang.”

    Die polisielede het Swart op klagte van roekelose bestuur en die besit van ’n gesteelde voertuig gearresteer, al het Swart hulle probeer oortuig sy motor se registrasiedokumente is in die paneelkissie.

    Volgens Swart is daar R400 uit sy beursie geneem.

    Op die kringtelevisiekameras van die veiligheidskompleks kan duidelik gesien word hoe een van die polisielede die motor deursoek en Swart se rybewys, asook die voertuig se registrasiedokumente, bestudeer.

    Hy is geboei, agterin hul vangwa geprop en na die Benoni-polisiekantoor geneem.

    “Op pad soontoe het hulle kort-kort aspris stilgehou en omdat my hande vas was, het ek elke keer omgeval en my kop gestamp,” het Swart gesê.

    Hy het die aand in die Benoni-polisiekantoor se aanhoudingselle deurgebring. Die volgende dag is gesê die aanklagte teen hom is laat vaar.

    Lt. Nomsa Sekele, polisiewoordvoerder van Benoni, het gesê die voorval word ondersoek.

  • Mike

    @Maggs – Mike comes from Amanzimtoti and went to school with Mike Sutcliffe.So I am well aware of your contribution to the “struggle”.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Mike

    “Mike comes from Amanzimtoti and went to school with Mike Sutcliffe”

    That’s nothing. My uncle went to school with Marshal Tito in Estikiani, and confirms that the only “struggle” young Tito had was with arithmetic, spelling, and quantum thermodynamics!

    Thanks.

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mike
    January 25, 2013 at 7:39 am

    Mike,

    “@Maggs – Mike comes from Amanzimtoti and went to school with Mike Sutcliffe.”

    Emm will be impressed.

    But can you see Table Mountain from your back yard?

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje
    January 25, 2013 at 7:36 am

    Hey Brett,

    “Nice to feel that rush – power over white people”

    I think White people we send all WHITE people to Pontdrif!

    WDYSTT?

    About 15 000 crocodiles escaped from the Rakwena crocodile farm near Pontdrif after the Limpopo River came down in flood on Sunday evening.

    http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Crocodiles-on-the-loose-in-Limpopo-20130124-2

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
  • Brett Nortje

    I say that disgrace to the nation Stella Sigcau set the precedent when she made all the white employees at a Denel conference stand up and told them next time she didn’t want to see them around.

    People like you cheered.

    I also say if my brother or one of my cousins was to be treated like this guy I wouldn’t be bothering Nomsa.

    WDYSTT?

    People like you (that is, the ANC) have been given a free ride so far, because whites do not know how an oppressed ethnic group in a country suffering ethnic conflict are supposed to behave. No leaders, no ideology.

    So far.

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje
    January 25, 2013 at 9:09 am

    Hey G,

    “People like you cheered.”

    People like me?

    Coolies?

    Handsome, well-mannered, kind, loving, gentle, caring (i.e. UBUNTU practicising) gentlemen?

  • Mike

    @Maggs – yes we could, I presume you are talking about the one just outside of Pietermaritzburg opposite Asburton named table mountain.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Brett Nortje
    January 25, 2013 at 9:09 am

    “People like you (that is, the ANC) have been given a free ride so far, because whites do not know how an oppressed ethnic group in a country suffering ethnic conflict are supposed to behave.”

    In fact they are rather pathetic. Believing if you sit around doing fokkol and just take it right up the arse things will magically improve with time.

    Otherwise get called a “racist” or a “bonobo” or a “baboon”, or even have some leaders (Mngxitama) openly advocate for your genocide. Mean time no reaction on burning and looting of our advanced first world infrastructure meticulously build up over decades with my parent’s tax payers monies for the benefit of us all, not a even a fucking squeal.

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mike
    January 25, 2013 at 10:04 am

    Mike,

    “yes we could”

    Hmmm – so you could qualify for deployment as Min of Foreign Affairs!

    Dworky will explain.

  • Gwebecimele
  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    One stone, two birds and no new racism involved.

    Will Nzimande/Makgoba ever have the balls to implement this?

    “Brazil Enacts Affirmative Action Law for Universities
    By SIMON ROMERO
    Published: August 30, 2012

    “RIO DE JANEIRO — Brazil’s government has enacted one of the Western Hemisphere’s most sweeping affirmative action laws, requiring public universities to reserve half of their admission spots for the largely poor students in the nation’s public schools and vastly increase the number of university students of African descent across the country.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/31/world/americas/brazil-enacts-affirmative-action-law-for-universities.html?_r=0

    50% of all students admitted to UCT must from public schools, can you ever imagine such a dramatic transformation of our society?

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Hayibo!

    The SABC has shelved a new investigative documentary critical of the ANC government and compiled by veteran former SABC reporter Sylvia Vollenhoven, as it is deemed “too sophisticated for an SABC2 audience”.

    The cover story of the February issue of the South African investigative magazine Noseweek, details the South African public broadcaster’s refusal to broadcast a documentary film, Project Spear, which the SABC commissioned itself, but which is critical of the ruling ANC government.

    Project Spear was produced by Vollenhoven, a respected TV reporter and filmmaker and a former television face of SABC news and current affairs.

    The documentary is feature-length, detailing the story of an ex-MI6 spy who presented the South African government with a plan – dubbed Project Spear – to recover billions of rands misappropriated by apartheid-era bankers, officials and politicians from the country’s coffers.

    http://www.citypress.co.za/news/sabc-cans-own-controversial-doccie/

  • Gwebecimele
  • Gwebecimele

    @ Maggs

    Forget SABC, not even Madonsela can help us with this one.

    http://dailymaverick.co.za/opinionista/2011-08-16-money-cant-buy-you-reconciliation

    But there’s more – literally, a huge pot of gold out there which is yours for the asking. It’s the R26 billion which Public Protector Thuli Madonsela has targeted in her investigation into apartheid-era corruption proceeds.

    Madonsela’s investigation, buried in the bluster of the Cele Report last month, appears to be founded on a 1999 report by a UK-based company named Ciex, run by a former chief of MI6, Michael Oatley.

    The report outlines what the Sunday Independent recently described as “a smorgasbord of corruption and looting of public coffers in the final years of the oppressive apartheid regime”.

    The report said the South African government could retrieve:

    •R3.2 billion from Absa.
    •R3 billion to R6 billion from Sanlam and Rembrandt, major investors in Bankorp.
    •Up to R5.5 billion from French aerospace manufacturer Aero-spatiale/Daimler-Chrysler.
    Ciex also claims that Armscor, the state arms company, siphoned R14.4 billion through “Luxemborg accounts, managed through the Paris Embassy”.

    ANC NEC member Billy Masetla was the South African government’s signatory to Ciex’s report, so maybe Tutu should give him a call and we could start accessing the apartheid proceeds?

    The snag, however, is that Madonsela says she cannot investigate the apartheid looting because of resource constraints – despite the fact, as the Institute for Accountability’s Paul Hoffman puts it, that “the country could certainly do with the windfall money that would flow from the successful reversal of the lifeboat to banks. The building of housing for the poor could be expedited with the money collected; the banks had made provision for repayment of this ‘contingent liability’ so getting them to pay should not be too difficult”.

    But, as if that pot of offshore apartheid-era gold isn’t big enough, how about taking a bite out of the debt mountain that we inherited from the apartheid cowboys and crooks?

    Action for Southern Africa, successor to the British Anti-Apartheid Movement, has a colourful way of describing the scale of that mountain in a recent report on apartheid debt: “When Nelson Mandela walked out of prison, rich countries and banks handed him and the people of Southern Africa a bill for 28 billion pounds sterling.”

    That’s around R330-billion, which we’ve had to pay off, as post-apartheid taxpayers, to cover the costs of the cowboys and crooks who looted the apartheid purse.

    It’s debt rung up by the Van der Merwes, Viljoens, Bothas and De Klerks of this world in an attempt to prop up the apartheid regime. It is apartheid debt, plain and simple – and a healthy source of recourse for a post-apartheid state, if you’re serious about a financial intervention.

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Gwebecimele
    January 25, 2013 at 13:14 pm

    Indeed Gwebs,

    as I’ve argued here previously (and got roasted for it) those who say we don’t have enough money to do all that we ought to be doing are wonky!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Gwebecimele
    January 25, 2013 at 13:14 pm

    “It is apartheid debt, plain and simple – and a healthy source of recourse for a post-apartheid state, if you’re serious about a financial intervention.”

    And how much of that apartheid debt went into building the power grid, schools, hospitals, roads, etc. Are you suggesting we tear all of that down too?

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    The wife of controversial politician John Block ran a “fraudulent” investment scheme that made off with nearly R5-million belonging to members of a Gauteng stokvel, papers filed in the Northern Cape High Court have alleged.

    http://mg.co.za/article/2013-01-25-00-stokvel-lost-millions-to-mrs-john-block

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Maggs

    Corruption is a scourge, but President Zuma has a new plan to fight corruption at every level. In the meantime, why do you, like the liberal press, focus relentlessly on ANC corruption, as if it is an AFRICAN thing? What about the TRILLIONS that has disappeared in Cape Town?

    Thanks.

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    January 25, 2013 at 17:08 pm

    Dworky,

    This is not the ANC.

    Let’s just call it a Block-buster!

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    So crocodiles are racist – they only eat WHITE people!

    “It’s not like if you were to let 15,000 out in Britain,” explains UK crocodile farmer Andy Johnson. “Then lots of people would get bitten. But everybody in Africa is aware that they’re about.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/shortcuts/2013/jan/25/how-do-you-catch-an-escaped-crocodile?CMP=twt_fd

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Exchange Program

    “Is it only me or do a few of the comments appear like coming from brain dead folks?”

    Maggs, WDYS? Is it only him?

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    January 26, 2013 at 0:10 am

    Dworky

    “Is it only him?”

    @ Exchange Program is not an asshole.

    He sounds like Peter Bruce.

    Hmmm – in that case he is an asshole!

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    It will be fascinating to learn what the impact of FNB simply capitulating to the ANC will be on those children.

    Fear, trauma, hurt?

    Sadness, pain, humiliation?

    Will FNB be able to run a credible campaign in the foreseeable future?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    January 26, 2013 at 7:55 am

    Maggs – what do you say to 50% quota of students at UCT irrespective of race or ethnicity to come from public schools? Do you think FNB and the WHITES would approve?

  • Maggs Naidu

    Ozone Boy,

    More than 80% of university students are from public schools.

    Why should it be reduced?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Maggs Naidu
    January 26, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    “More than 80% of university students are from public schools.”

    That is a blatant lie.

    UCT being the shrine of academic elitism that it is for example only feeds form model-C and private schools. I can quote Max Price of you wish. At UKZN they have now a 20% quota from public schools – a good development but not good enough.

    “If one looks at the distributions of matric marks by race at our university’s top 30 feeder schools nationally—almost all private or former model C—one finds that although the distributions overlap in that there are a few black students who perform in the top ­percentile and some white ­students in the bottom percentiles, they are generally distinct, with black students performing an average of seven percentage points lower than white students. So the question we have to confront is this: Why is there a difference in the performance by race even in students from the same privileged schools and middle-class ­socioeconomic status?”

    http://mg.co.za/article/2012-01-06-in-defence-of-racebased-policy/

    So what Max is essentially trying to tell as is that although rich people in south-Africa are overwhelmingly black they still need special racial favours, thus high-jacking our national transformation project in favour of the black elite. Or fuck the poor as you would say.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Ozoneblue and Maggs, I have produced a study to support a compelling case that 45% of UCT students should be from ZIMBABWE! To what email should I send it?

  • Maggs Naidu

    Silly White Boy,

    The former Model C schools ARE public schools!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Maggs Naidu
    January 26, 2013 at 12:41 pm

    “The former Model C schools ARE public schools!”

    Nonsense. They are middle class schools, with autonomous SGBs and heavily funded by parents in other words privately. Please stop this hypocrisy. You are the one saying fuck the poor.

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Blue Ozone
    January 26, 2013 at 13:15 pm

    Racist WHITE boy,

    Give an example of a former model C school which is not a public school!

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Maggs is right.

    See definition of “public school” is Schools Act, No. 84 OF 1996.

  • Brett Nortje

    10 Min drive from me. When we were laaities my mom let us loose on the area during school holidays with a rucksack containing pack of wors coupla tomatoes some mieliemeel for pap a waterbottle. We’d spend the whole day in the veld amusing ourselves with our pellet guns and my Labrador Zorba.

    This isn’t ‘no-one’s fault. Cosatu has killed jobs countrywide and the ANC started the ‘informal settlement’ Diepsloot where there were only a handful of agricultural jobs. The ANC itself has a terrible history of violent criminality and then it left our borders open to every predator seeking richer spoils. The ANC might as well have pulled the trigger themselves.

    http://www.beeld.com/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/2-bure-vermoor-20130125

    Video: 2 bure vermoor
    2013-01-25 23:01
    Pauli van Wyk
    Tussen die blou skopfietsie, pienk ketel en Kersversierings lê Andries Bekker se bloederige voetspore op die stoep van sy huurhuis in Muldersdrift.

    Bekker (29) is eergisteraand by die Fourways-hospitaal dood nadat hy twee keer in die bors geskiet is voor sy dogter, seun en swanger vrou, Lizette.

    Terwyl lt.genl. Mzwandile Petros, Gautengse polisiehoof, die gemeenskap in die Muldersdrift Community Ministries-kerk toegespreek het oor toenemende geweldmisdaad, is die gesin op hoewe 27 in die Elandsdrift-omgewing aangeval.

    Mike Walden woon 70 m van die Bekkers en het eergisteraand skote hoor klap, waarna hy die polisie ontbied en die gesin gaan bystaan het.

    “Andries is in die linkerbors geskiet. ‘Ek kan nie asemhaal nie,’ het hy vir my gesê.

    “Dit is die agtste voorval en tweede moord in drie maande in my omgewing. In November is Jacques Botha (51), my ander buurman, ook voor sy kind geskiet en op pad na die hospitaal in ons kar dood.

    “ ’n Mens kan nie help om te wonder wanneer jy volgende is nie. Die hoewes is afgeleë en die plantegroei ruig. Iemand kan ons nou dophou en ons sal dit nie weet nie.”

    Ao. Solomon Sibiya, polisiewoordvoerder, het gesê geeneen van die drie verdagtes is nog aangekeer nie.

    “Bekker het sy aanvaller ontwapen en een van die drie in die proses geskiet.” Bloeddruppels het na die palissade agter die huis gelei.

    “Die aanvallers het agter die huis deur die palissade gekom en met dieselfde roete gevlug.”

    ’n Selfoon is vermoedelik gebuit en ’n platskermtelevisie lê op die braaier voor die huis.

    “Ons is onder beleg, weekliks word iemand vermoor. Misdaad is buite beheer en die polisie te min,” het ’n inwoner gesê.

    Huiskopers en huurders sku vir Muldersdrift
    Eiendomsagente wat huise in die Muldersdrift-gebied verhuur en verkoop, weier om kommentaar te lewer, maar huis- en eien­doms­eienaars van die omgewing sê hulle sukkel.

    Oliver Rose, huiseienaar in die Rietfontein-area, het gesê sy huis is al drie jaar in die mark.

    “Twee eiendomsagente het probeer. In drie jaar het ek nog nie één navraag gekry nie.”

    Rose blameer die gewelddadige aanrandings en hoë moordsyfer, maar ook ’n sukkelende munisipaliteit.

    Dr. Anne-Marie Biccard, wat huurders op haar perseel het, is ses maande gelede in die bors geskiet.

    “Drie van my huurders het net daarna uitgetrek. Ek het nuwe huurders gekry nadat die veiligheidsmaatreëls verskerp is.

    “Dis moeilik om huurders te kry en huispryse het die afgelope vyf jaar met die helfte geval.”

    Lynette Weinmann verhuur huise op haar hoewe in Elandsdrift en is baie bekommerd oor die misdaad.

    “Ons bly twee hoewe van die Bekkers af. Ek het nou pas nuwe huurders gekry, maar die helfte van die mense wat kom kyk het, het gesê dit is te onveilig.”

    Anel Botha, die weduwee van Jacques, wat in November op dieselfde hoewe as Andries Bekker geskiet is, het vir goed weggetrek.

    “Ons wou die hoewe koop omdat die gebied mooi is, maar daardie idee is nou saam met my man hemel toe.”

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    January 26, 2013 at 13:48 pm

    You can call squirm like a little piggie and call me “racist” as much as you like. It is time that you privileged Black people who owns the wealth now (after 20 years of AA/BEE) and send your kids to private or “model-C” schools shares with the rest of South Africa and stop benefiting from a fake “transformation” that is rigged to serve the interests of the powerful and the elite.

  • Brett Nortje

    You forgot ‘corruption’ and ‘tenderpreneurship’….

    Do you think Maggs practices saying ‘I have political connections’ in front of a miirror until he can say it with a straight face?

    Blue Ozone says:
    January 26, 2013 at 14:22 pm
    Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    January 26, 2013 at 13:48 pm

    You can call squirm like a little piggie and call me “racist” as much as you like. It is time that you privileged Black people who owns the wealth now (after 20 years of AA/BEE)

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  • Maggs Naidu

    Blue Ozone

    January 26, 2013 at 14:22 pm

    Blue Boy,

    “You can call squirm like a little piggie”

    You meant COOLIE, didn’t you!

    So why do you say that the former Model-C schools aren’t public schools?

    Consider when (if) you answer that any child is allowed to attend; those who live in the area or has a parent working there have preference.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Maggs, I struggled for decades to bring freedom of speech. Still, I say, those FNB children deserve harsh punishment and reeducation. Who else do they think our people can vote for? For all its fault, ANC is the only party that can represent the aspirations of all our people.

    Thanks.

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    January 26, 2013 at 20:29 pm

    Hayibo Dworky!

    No amount of spinning will change to outcome.

    FNB, by their own admission, was wrong – and, because of that admission, The ANC was right.

    City Press was wrong.

    Goodman Gallery was wrong.

    The adverse consequences of their poorly thought out actions are very profound.

    But shit happens.

    FNB was really silly – if they cannot think carefully through something as basic as this, perhaps it reflects on their broader strategic capacity. Maybe it was just a passing phase inspired by a Gangnam Style marketing cowboy.

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    So Dworky,

    The DA is about to unveil Madame II, eh.

    Like Johnny Walker, she ought to keep on walking!

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Magg, I was wrong to blame the children. They were just mouthing words interposed by manipulative adults. It is the latter that warrant punishing.

    Thanks.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Maggs Naidu
    January 26, 2013 at 16:13 pm

    “You can call squirm like a little piggie”

    You meant COOLIE, didn’t you!”

    Maggs. How acute of you, Perhaps you are right!

    With Affirmative Action, India’s Rich Gain School Slots Meant for Poor

    “Though the outlines of the two cases are similar, differences between how the world’s two largest democracies have chosen to redress centuries of past discrimination are striking. While affirmative action in the United States is now threatened, the program in India is a vast system of political patronage that increasingly works to reward the powerful rather than uplift those in need.

    Indeed, the caste-based affirmative action here raises questions for nations like Brazil and Malaysia that have adopted anti-discrimination programs that are in some ways similar to India’s. Without diligent judicial oversight, experts say, the efforts can help perpetuate inequality rather than redress it.”

    “Nonetheless, quotas have transformed the taint of “backwardness” into a coveted designation.

    The Gujjars of Rajasthan, for instance, held violent riots two years ago to protest the government’s refusal to declare them as “most backward.” Politicians win elections in India by promising to bestow this one-time curse, which has led to a dramatic expansion in those considered backward decades after the designation had true economic meaning.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/08/world/asia/indias-rich-benefit-from-schools-affirmative-action.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

    You know it. Just how easily can backwardness or “disadvantage” be transformed into capital?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Even those foreign guests who visits our lovely country during AFCON can’t help but notice the extreme disadvantage of Black people in South Africa!

    “He is right about cohesion, too. I can offer only anecdotal evidence but when I went to a trendy hotel bar in Sandton most of the clientele were black South Africans. That movement towards the growth of a black middle class was happening without the World Cup. But the World Cup accelerated it.”

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/oliver-holt-column-on-why-the-2013-african-1549973

    I want to bet a million rupees all their kids are in model-C or private schools.

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    January 27, 2013 at 10:42 am

    Thanks for the concession Dworky, even if it’s TIC.

    Setting up those kids to believe they will be secure in openly expressing the views they did is the equivalent of pedophiles “grooming” young kids for their perversion.

    FNB really ought to be forced to fix this up.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    January 27, 2013 at 11:18 am

    “Setting up those kids to believe they will be secure in openly expressing the views they did is the equivalent of pedophiles “grooming” young kids for their perversion.”

    It is really unfortunate the FNB didn’t ask those kids what they think about AA mostly benefiting rich Black people living in Sandton – don’t you?

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Maggs

    Jesus said that those who lead little children astray would better be thrown into the deepest ocean with a millstones round their necks. Are you saying this applies to FNB?

    Then again, Christopher Hitchens says that the physical abuse of children by priests pales into insignificance next to the mental abuse inflicted when they infect little minds with the repulsive guilt inducing mythologies propagated by the church.

    What you say about dat?

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    January 27, 2013 at 11:44 am

    Dworky,

    FNB are faceless.

    Those kids are not.

    FNB can manage the political fallout with apologies, some money changing hands, some “loans” which deviate from normal banking practice, lavish gifts at the right time – all will be well.

    Those kids have faces, live in communities, will have to suffer the consequences alone.

  • Beetle

    You are absolutely spot on, Maggs

  • Michael Osborne

    @ Maggs

    “Those kids have faces, live in communities, will have to suffer the consequences alone.”

    Maggs, are you suggesting that it would be less objectionable if FNB put glib anti-ANC words into the mouths of kids who live in (the admittedly few), communities in the country that are overwhelmingly pro-DA?

    Also, I would have thought the implication of what you say is that it wrong for the DA, or COPE, of the IFP, to actively attempt to recruit youth in overwhelmingly pro-ANC communities, knowing that the consequence may be, at best, ostracism and, at worst violence.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Beetle
    January 27, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Please do not feed the squirming piggy. He might SHOUT at you that you actually meant “COOLIE” and that his “disadvantage” is absolutely unassailable and constitutionally guaranteed.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Beatle-Man

    If indeed Maggs is “spot on,” do you agree with Jesus Christ that FNB, having led ourlittle ones astray by manipulating them as anti-ANC ventriloquist dummies, should have a millstone tied around its scrawny corporate neck and flung into the deepest ocean?

    @ MO

    I would have thought that the implication of what you are saying is that the FF+ should be precluded from campaigning for the support of Yemeni youth!

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Michael Osborne
    January 27, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Prof MO,

    I’m not suggesting anything beyond what I wrote.

    If those who use especially young, vulnerable kids then they must have the balls to defend the kids.

    Behaving like a bunch of cowards is well and good – but those kids faces are all over the media.

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2013/01/27/fnb-responds-with-we-believe-ads

    Businesses need to be especially careful when they use children.

    It’s not violence which is of concern – I suspect that the psychological effect is likely to be high.

    Kids being involved in political campaigns are fine when they know what they are in for – these were led to believe that it was part of an advertising campaign which is very different.

  • Michael Osborne

    Maggs, I am testing the principle you seem to invoke – that of some form of harm to the kids.

    If your concerns is that kids may face even psychologically adverse consequences, then it would seem that the implication is that it would be OK if the kids concerned lived in a community in which, because it was largely DA supporting, for example, there would be no such hazard.

    Reaching out to youth in an alien political culture always creates a risk that whatever “converts” you make will face, if not violence, at least isolation. I am sure that is already the case where the DA has had some, albeit very limited success, in traditionally no-go areas. And the same would be true, no doubt, if the ANC succeeded in recruiting whites to its YL in certain “white” areas, where the ANC is almost universally vilified.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    January 27, 2013 at 13:25 pm

    “It’s not violence which is of concern – I suspect that the psychological effect is likely to be high.”

    Exactly. Like when my none year old was being “frogg-marched” into a different class because some disgruntled Black parent with a huge fucking chip on the shoulder and who had contacts inside the DOC and wasn’t happy with the “race demographics” in her kid’s class.

    Being called a “bonobo” or a “baboon” not much I can do about it though, just explain to the boy who was absolutely devastated that is the way things are.

  • Mickhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Blue-Ozone-Whitist-Guy

    “Like when my none year old was being “frogg-marched …”

    You send your kid to school before he reaches 12 months?

    That is psychological abuse in itself!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    Mickhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    January 27, 2013 at 13:45 pm

    “mental abuse inflicted when they infect little minds with the repulsive guilt inducing mythologies propagated by the church”

    Correct. We programme our kids into being racists even from preschool age. Imagine maggs at home shouting about WHITES or Makgoba doing a mind job on his about the “baboons” and the “bonobos” yet he gets appointed to lead the educational “transformation committee”. A lot like friends of the Mafia being appointed “National Police Commissioner” – won’t you say.

    This country is going fucking nowhere slowly when it comes to “nonracialism” and “nation-building”. And it is, I’m sorry to say the rich Black middle class doing most of the damage.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Blue Ozone

    I weep for this country and its children.

    “Concerned members of staff at the university will have to stop this reappointment and protect the university one way or the other. Otherwise they have another agonising five years ahead of them during which they will continue to pay for Makgoba’s exile from Wits University. The other option is that those employable elsewhere will have to vote with their feet. But, in doing so, Makgoba wins. He can recruit an army of young, clueless and non-critical junior staffers who would probably come from the mickey-mouse programmes created under him. They would worship him and run full-page adverts of how truly transformed UKZN has become with no senior and experienced white professors and promising critical black intellectuals, but with a congregation of hero-worshipping wannabe academics at his mercy.

    • Blessing J. Karumbidza completed his PhD at the University of KwaZulu-Natal where he held various teaching and student-development supporting roles between 1999 and 2009.”

    http://www.witness.co.za/index.php?showcontent&global_id=22685

    We are going to take a very, very long time to recover from this grave mistake.

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Michael Osborne
    January 27, 2013 at 13:35 pm

    Prof,

    That’s kinda like restructuring the question to fit the answer. Kids getting involved in party political processes voluntarily is one thing. Recruiting kids in the way FNB did is quite another.

    The impact does not have be be an aggressive or violent one. There are all kinds of ways in which the backlash may manifest.

    If, as you imply, it is correct that this was a political campaign by FNB (which it may be) against government and possibly the ANC then the kids ought to have been told that – the likelihood of that admission is slim at best.

    For what it’s worth I argued elsewhere that there’s nothing to suggest that this was solely direct at the ANC although some were specific enough to include the President and Min of Basic Education.

    I don’t think kids should be shielded from the consequences of political engagement – quite the opposite, perhaps more should be involved. But when businesses involve them in a Trojan Horse kinda way, then a different take is needed.

  • Michael Osborne

    @ Maggs

    If you objection is not so much that the kids would be exposed to some violence, or exclusion in their communities, but rather that the kids were manipulated or duped by FNB, I may agree with you.

    My objection was to the first of your two reasons. I think it is very dangerous to say that kids (or anyone), should not be heard, because that might expose them to adverse consequences of some kind in the places where they live. That plays into the “no-go” partition of the country.

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Michael Osborne
    January 27, 2013 at 18:07 pm

    Prof,

    It’s best illustrated by FNB themselves through their Chief Marketing Officer, Bernice Samuels in today’s ST – Chris Barron’s So Many Questions.

    CB : Why [did FNB remove the clips]?
    BS : Because the children were caught in the crossfire
    CB : Shouldn’t it have occurred to you earlier that you might be exposing them to some pretty nasty stuff?
    BS : I suppose it could have occurred to u earlier.

    There’s no way of telling what the long term impact may be – it may even be great for the kids.

    Did I say or imply “adverse [violent] consequences of some kind in the places where they live”?

    I did not intended to have it reduced to that – there are all kinds of ways that kids can get affected.

  • Anonymouse

    I’m closing all my accounts and holdings in FNB – thanks

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Maggs is right. I say our children must focus of their schoolwork, not get involved in grownup politics. That is why our slogan was always “EDUCATION NOW, LIBERATION LATER.”

  • Gwebecimele
  • Anonymouse

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    January 28, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Well said!

  • Anonymouse

    Gwebecimele

    January 28, 2013 at 11:41 am

    I will call Agie ‘brainless’any time – what has she done to stop the handbook crises since more than a year ago – sweet f—all. What does she expect the children who need those books to say?

  • Brett Nortje

    FFS! Guys, NO MEETINGS with the cops Friday after lunch! You might disappear for the weekend. Forget the clients. Speak to my friend Paul Oxley about what almost happened to him there for merely inquiring what happened to a friend in a car accident.

    http://www.citizen.co.za/citizen/content/en/citizen/local-news?oid=380811&sn=Detail&pid=334&Joburg-attorney-to-sue-police

    Joburg attorney to sue police
    A Johannesburg attorney said on Monday he will sue the police after he was arrested for allegedly defeating the ends of justice.
    28 January 2013 | Sapa

    “I am not only suing, but when it goes to court, I will make sure the minister of police is there to explain the actions of his employees,” Martin Hood said.

    “This [intimidation] has happened to people on too many occasions.”

    Hood, the legal representative of the SA Gun Owners’ Association was arrested at the Fairlands police station, Johannesburg, on Friday at a meeting with an investigating officer.

    He was representing a client who had reported the loss of his firearm after being mugged. Hood said he was arrested because the client was not with him at the station.

    The client had previously asked Hood to help him prepare his statement to the police on the gun, because the client had heard that police automatically arrested people for the negligent loss of a gun, despite the circumstances.

    Hood said he went to the station after police allegedly bullied the client on two separate occasions.

    Gauteng police said they would comment on the incident later in the day.

  • Anonymouse

    Well, at least FNB’s add lit a torch worth to be reckoned with http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/ANC-risks-losing-born-free-voters-20130128

  • Alibama

    Newsgroups: za.politics
    Subject: Is Neotel infested with Nigerian 419 scammers?

    This would be considered remarkable in a civilised society,
    where Neotel is the alternate [to Telkom]
    ‘2nd phone-company':–

    My Neotel email facility became non-functioning
    several months ago.

    How could I expect it to get fixed in a society, where they
    can’t even deliver the existing text books for the school kids?

    Today I received a call from: 011 0801 800
    claiming to be “checking that I’d previously reported
    faulty email, and that I still wanted it fixed [after 6 months]”.

    Suspecting that this 011 0801 800 call is part of a scam, I tried
    to confirm via Neotel’s customer service 242, if 011 0801 800
    is in fact related to neotel.

    Of course, the background voice and music just went on and on.
    So if I die, before this matter is resolved, this USEnet post will
    serve as a record of the facts. And perhaps the message will get
    through to Neotel share holders, and warn other potential victims.

  • Alibama

    Gwebecimele wrote:-
    }The report outlines what the Sunday Independent recently described as
    }”a smorgasbord of corruption and looting of public coffers in the final
    }years of the oppressive apartheid regime”.

    } The report said the South African government could retrieve:
    == How can you retrieve war damages? Versailles failed.

    } o R3.2 billion from Absa.
    } o R3 billion to R6 billion from Sanlam and Rembrandt, major investors in Bankorp.
    } o Up to R5.5 billion from French aerospace manufacturer Aero-spatiale/Daimler-Chrysler.
    } Ciex also claims that Armscor, the state arms company, siphoned R14.4 billion through
    } “Luxemborg accounts, managed through the Paris Embassy”.

    I have no doubt that VAST looting was done by the NAT elite, before the assets built up
    by themselves and their ancestors were handed to the natives, with great resentment.
    After all, the NAT looters KNEW that it was all going to be destroyed, like Zimbabwe,
    Congo, Haiti …etc. It was the same mechanism of burning the crops and poisoning the
    wells that the Russians practiced as a strategic retreat during war.
    ==Your problem is that you’re allowed yourself to be decieved by the PeeCee lies of
    Joe Slovo and A. Chat?sp?son that there’s the rainbow nation, although you can’t
    point to ANY past or present example.
    The ideas of recovering the debts and balancing-the-books only applies to functioning
    institutions, and not to the failed-state situation of Azania.
    There’s a difference between: putting on a suit and tie and pointy shoes, and
    mouthing some words of OECD states, and being able to eg. invent the wheel.
    ———————-
    So, Prof. Makgoba was repeating some obersations about primates.
    That’s because he’s had a little scientific training, and realises how relevant
    evolution is in explainig EVERYTHING. My specialities: aviation, telecoms, IT
    are yesterdays news. The future is in the biological sciences.
    Already HIV has been more relevant that the atom-bomb.

  • eleanor

    Does the ANC own copywrite to use children? ( protest marches). “I think the lady does protest too much”

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Hmmm!

    According to The New Age, to a call sheet from Take Ten Casting confirmed “the advert was in no way a spontaneous or natural gathering of young South Africans”, but that each participant was “carefully selected”.

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2013/01/29/fnb-ads-scripted-report

  • Brett Nortje

    SFW?

    The significance being?

    I’ll go you one further: What if what was uttered on every video was carefully scripted? Does that make that exercise of freedom of expression any less valid or in any way derogate from it being the day-to-day experience of a great many South Africans?

    Do you – like Cde Jackson – draw the line when the ANC is called ‘brainless’? LOL!

    But, first! Show me where you, Maggs J Maggot, have come out strongly against the ANC using children in combat?

    Er, even verbal combat?

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Eleonor

    It is true that children in the past spontaneously participated in ANC protest action. However, it has never been ANC policy to deploy “child soldiers” in protest. That is why it always preached the slogan EDUCATION NOW, LIBERATION LATER!

    (Admittedly, Mr Mandela wanted the voting age be dropped to 14. And Mr Malema reports that he became politically active at 8. But these are the exceptions that prove the rule.)

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje
    January 29, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Hey Goofy Boy,

    “Show me where you, Maggs J Maggot, have come out strongly against the ANC using children in combat? ”

    Just last week I had a heated discussion at the ANC headquarters with the entire NWC complaining about them using children to advance narrow political agendas in, er, umm, eish – NOWHERE!

    Would you like to see the video?

    p.s. The significance is that FNB denied it was scripted – not that it matters much.

    Seeing FNB grovelling and begging for forgiveness is fun!

    p.p.s. Freedom of Expression – where in our Constitution does it say that the ANC has no right to express itself?

    Let’s take it further – if Salman Rushdie exercised his right to free expression in writing what he felt about Mohammed, Freedom of Expression gives those who did the right to demand that Rushdie’s head be chopped off.

    Just like it’s Dmwangi’s right (as stupid as that may be) to advocate for Idi Amin II in response to my views about Ubuntu!

  • Brett Nortje

    What about Stompie Seipei?

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje
    January 29, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Goofy Boy

    “What about Stompie Seipei?”

    I forgot about that – do remind me how the ANC used him in “combat”.

    Admittedly I was thinking more Hector Pieterson!

  • Brett Nortje

    Yes, please! Just – no ANC T shirts – they trigger the same response in me as Man United T shirts. I would like to see a Dobermann hanging on every ANC T shirt.

    I also love seeing FNB grovel. The ANC eating its children?

    Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) says:
    January 29, 2013 at 10:24 am

    Would you like to see the video?

  • Brett Nortje

    Er, Maggs – they used Stompie in ANC training exercise ‘How to make a fist’?

  • Brett Nortje

    Er, Maggs, are you denying that the ANC scripted – albeit in a crude, peasantlike manner – the outrage to ‘The Spear’?

    Are you denying that the ANC scripted – albeit in a crude, peasantlike manner – the outrage to Helen Zille’s March on Nkandla???

    P.s. Can you say: “I have political connections” with a straight face?

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje
    January 29, 2013 at 10:30 am

    Goofy,

    While I’m making up a video, do say why you think the ANC has no right to freely express itself!

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Brett

    “I also love seeing FNB grovel.”

    The FNB saga is a lesson to us all. It does not help to place “clever black” people in positions of authority — if they still have a WHITIST mid-set. TRANSFORMATION is about more than just skin colour!

  • Brett Nortje

    No, that would be going along with your misdirection.

    Silly change-agent!

  • Brett Nortje

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder says:
    January 29, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Quiet. Take this cap. Stand in the corner. Sizwe is pretty efficient.

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje
    January 29, 2013 at 10:38 am

    So Goofy Boy,

    You accept that the ANC, like everyone else in our country, has a right to freely express itself.

  • Kyle Naude

    I came across this facebook status awhile back.

    “Whose Bill of Rights is it?
    With a 360 year history of legislated racial discrimination, it is completely understandable that such issues are addressed in our Constitution and I fully support every word of Section 9. In fact, my problem is that I do not think it is being applied as intended. For the duration of apartheid, I never once filled in my race on an apartheid government form and took a certain satisfaction in watching the tannie behind the counter huffing and puffing if she noticed the omission and then laboriously marking a ‘W’ in the appropriate space, while clearly thinking that I did not deserve the classification. That of course did not prevent me from benefitting from the pro-white legislation that poured from Parliament for nearly 50 years.
    So why my present concern? There are more requests for my race on more forms from more bureaucrats than ever before and not one of them is concerned for my propensity to turn pink in the sun and the long term hazards of such – and even then, should government be involved in the sun-lotion and big hat industries?
    The constitution is largely designed to achieve three results:
    • To redress the wrongs of the past
    • To entrench non-racialism
    • To establish a stable democracy.
    We are a long way from achieving any of these goals, although there has been great progress.
    The fact that the ruling party is participating in the time-honoured nationalist tradition of throwing figurative, and sometimes literal, chairs at each other in all manner of political gatherings is a good omen for the democracy. None of the Korean lock-step agreements for us. I give them two more elections before the wheels fall off. By then, there will be no struggle veterans vying for their place in the sun and the new generation of technocrats will probably have had enough of the fat cats and the unions will have been rejected by the whackers.
    Water, electricity and housing for all has been a mixed blessing, but it is true that millions of South Africans are now much better housed than before.
    What gets to me, and what I have begun to fear, is that section 9.3 of the constitution is at best being misinterpreted and at worst ignored. This paragraph outlaws ‘unfair’ discrimination on every basis that you can think of. It does, however, allow ‘fair’ discrimination and affirmative action. This has been universally interpreted to allow discrimination on the basis of race. 20 years ago, this was marginally acceptable but has been abused to create a fat-cat, corrupt, tenderpreneur class of nuevoux riche layabouts driving black SUVS and inflating their own self-importance in a frenzy of over-indulgence that waddles through the malls sporting Louis Vetton bags and trailed by obese offspring who will fuel the diabetes epidemic.
    I recently heard a sermon to a group of rural day-care centre workers where the self-styled ‘pastor’ urged the congregation to go out and ‘claim their BMWs’ which God would provide.
    It is not the horrendous crime statistics nor the inability of Bafana-Bafana to play soccer that has got to me. Even the road users in Mpumalanga whose philosophy is: I must at all times drive insanely fast so that if (read ‘when’)I have an accident I will go straight to heaven, without having to spend time in a wheelchair, are not the cause of my deep concern … and there really are drivers who literally believe that God will forgive them paralysing and maiming other road-users so long as they ‘believe’.
    No … what gets to me is the ‘entitlement’. I forget which economist (are not all economists forgettable?) said that ‘a country’s worth is in direct proportion to the work that created it.’
    Yes, we need to alleviate poverty. Yes we need to improve education, especially rural education. Yes, we need to eliminate discrimination of all shapes and varieties. Yes, we need to develop infrastructure. 20 years ago, educational underachievement could primarily be ascribed to being black in apartheid society. Prof Adam Habib has recently stated that that is no longer the case. Being poor is now the primary cause of academic underachievement.
    So lets throw away the racial name tags, for that is all they are: meaningless name tags, and address poverty, education and infrastructure. That way, the money will get to the right people.
    A minister thinks she is entitled to a transplant because she is the minister. THAT is unfair. A politician thinks his home village is entitled to a new road. THAT is unfair. A traditional leader thinks he is entitled to respect, while he drinks and gambles and feathers his own nest. THAT is unfair. The blurring of the boundary between entitlement driven prioritisation and corruption is purely academic, but being academic, it is not understood by the perpetrators. Just because he is the President, he is entitled to a R200 million make-over of his home and a million Zulu supporters are ready to take up arms to defend him. Low level labourers live in fear of their ‘chief’ who is entitled to take away their home at any time. THAT is unfair.
    And now some nutter in the Department of Who Knows What, wants to make BEEE compliance dependent on 100% Black African beneficiaries. Thats not unfair …it is INSANE, totally ridiculous and patently unconstitutional.
    I think the time is right to test Section 9.3 in court and ask the question: nearly 20 years into our new democracy, is any discrimination based on race ‘fair’, casting for Othello and Desdemona aside?”

  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    This latest FNB advertising campaign is not the first seemingly intended to call the governing party out for its shortcomings, only to be withdrawn abjectly at the first sign of the ANC’s anger.

    It raises questions that contradict even the lame and misguided defence presented by FNB’s chief marketing officer, Bernice Samuels: that FNB’s advertising was meant “to galvanise”.

    Galvanise who? FNB customers? ANC opponents? The young? Everyone?

    Never mind such blurred communication objectives; the overall direction here seems to lack a hold on reality.

    Do at least some among SA’s most senior executives suppose they are more democratic than the citizen body of SA and hope to speak for them?

    Do they sincerely believe they can spark off some kind of spontaneous civil society “movement” to bring the government to heel?

    Many media commentators are fond of indulging that idea, of harking back to the exciting days but vanished world of the United Democratic Front.

    If this is the explanation in the FNB case, those responsible should perhaps ponder that “democracy” is said to be here now, not something still to be won.

    And that what South African democracy needs today is an organised, which means well-funded, political party of opposition, not a commercial bank at odds with itself.

    They might also conclude that is something they are free to put their money behind without giving themselves and everyone else so much trouble.

    http://www.bdlive.co.za/opinion/2013/01/29/does-fnb-have-the-right-to-speak-for-citizens

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Maggs (quoting BD)

    “Do at least some among SA’s most senior executives suppose they are more democratic than the citizen body of SA and hope to speak for them?”

    Maggs (and the writer he quotes) are right.

    Companies are responsible only to their shareholders; they must keep their noses our of politics. Our people are not stupid. They will get their chance to vote. Only one party can represent the aspirations of all of our people. They trust Mr Zuma, although they know that, like all politicians, he is not perfect.

    Thanks.

  • Maggs Naidu

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    January 29, 2013 at 13:17 pm

    Dworky,

    You’re wrong!

    FNB is free to say stupid things as are you.

    They can also be cowardly and hide behind the internet like you and you-know-who!

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Maggs, with respect, I have never hidden behind the internet. (Are you implying that Slavs are an inherently cowardly race?) Anyway, you can find me in working hours at the University of the Adriatic, in Lubyanka. Also, you would not find me manipulating children.

    Thanks a lot.

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  • Maggs Naidu – Yikes, another seven years! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    The ‘truth plus public benefit/interest’ test will generally protect both public figures and those who write about them provided it is remembered that it is not in the public interest that every titbit of information and not every morsel of salacious gossip about a public figure be made publicly known. There is legitimate public interest in the affairs of public figures. Legitimate interest in what they do does not overshadow the fact that public figures have the same human rights as everyone else. They too enjoy a constitutional right to privacy. Not only does our law protect every person’s right to dignitas (inner tranquillity) but also to fama (reputation). The ‘fair comment’ test will generally come to the aid of those who wish to express themselves lavishly and perhaps even extravagantly. Trenchant commentaries on the performances of politicians as politicians, entertainers as entertainers, musicians as musicians, artists as artists, writers as writers, poets as poets, sports stars as sports stars will generally pass legal muster, even if posted in the social media. When it comes to freedom of expression in South Africa, there are oceans in which to swim and upon which to sail as freely as the wind blows.

    Above all, it is well to remember what Harms JA said in National Media Limited v Jooste, after referring to American jurisprudence, that the question of whether private facts are worthy of protection is determined by reference to ‘ordinary or reasonable sensibilities and not to hypersensitivities’. Grimmelmann sagely invokes the ancient maxim de minimis non curat lex (the law is not concerned with trivia). Delicate lilies are unlikely to bloom under the awnings of the courts when it comes to claims of damaged reputations.

    The applicant has been substantially successful inasmuch as he came to court seeking an interdict and has obtained it. He is entitled to his costs. The following is the order of the court:

    (a) The respondent is to remove all postings which she has posted on Facebook or any other site in the social media which refer to the applicant.

    (b) The respondent is to pay the applicant’s costs in this application.

    http://www.saflii.org/za/cases/ZAGPJHC/2013/1.html

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