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	<description>This blog deals with political and social issues in South Africa, mostly from the perspective of Constitutional Law. Written by Pierre de Vos</description>
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		<title>By: Pierre De Vos</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/surely-not/#comment-13440</link>
		<dc:creator>Pierre De Vos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 07:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ, if this happened and the President did not tell us it would be a great scandal. In any case the Rico Act prohibits the handing over of ALL recordings to private individuals - not only those that are classified as secret for security reasons. It is to protect the right to privacy of every citizen - Ngcuka and McCarthy being two of them. Dont you care about the rights of these - only about the rights of the Dear Leader?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ, if this happened and the President did not tell us it would be a great scandal. In any case the Rico Act prohibits the handing over of ALL recordings to private individuals &#8211; not only those that are classified as secret for security reasons. It is to protect the right to privacy of every citizen &#8211; Ngcuka and McCarthy being two of them. Dont you care about the rights of these &#8211; only about the rights of the Dear Leader?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Mcdaniel</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/surely-not/#comment-13432</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Mcdaniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jj 

You seem to forget the legal process if the NIA gave them to President Motlanthe then its the presidents duty to hand the full scripts to the NPA directly.........inorder to do a full investigation which hasnt been done, once again its bad enough that the NIA is showing Partisan but now the president of south africa must to? that would be the ultimate abuse of power.

sorry your argument simply doesnt fly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jj </p>
<p>You seem to forget the legal process if the NIA gave them to President Motlanthe then its the presidents duty to hand the full scripts to the NPA directly&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;inorder to do a full investigation which hasnt been done, once again its bad enough that the NIA is showing Partisan but now the president of south africa must to? that would be the ultimate abuse of power.</p>
<p>sorry your argument simply doesnt fly</p>
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		<title>By: jj</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/surely-not/#comment-13428</link>
		<dc:creator>jj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PvD

You seem to claim that these tapes were illigally acquired by  Zuma&#039;s defence. How do you know this? What if NIA handed them over to President Motlanthe, who declassified them &amp; then gave them to JZ&#039;s legal team? Would they still be illegal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PvD</p>
<p>You seem to claim that these tapes were illigally acquired by  Zuma&#8217;s defence. How do you know this? What if NIA handed them over to President Motlanthe, who declassified them &amp; then gave them to JZ&#8217;s legal team? Would they still be illegal?</p>
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		<title>By: MFB</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/surely-not/#comment-13122</link>
		<dc:creator>MFB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 06:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously Hlophe is stalling. Equally obviously, he has no interest in stalling if he wants to have his innocence established speedily. Equally obviously, therefore, he is not innocent.

Therefore, he wants to delay his appearance until the situation is more sympathetic to him. Would Zuma pack the JSC? Of course he would; Zuma is capable of anything. Would Zuma pack the JSC just to help Hlophe? We can&#039;t say for sure.

This is not a conspiracy theory; there is a Zuma conspiracy, obviously. What is written here is simply a contribution to a debate over how far the conspiracy extends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously Hlophe is stalling. Equally obviously, he has no interest in stalling if he wants to have his innocence established speedily. Equally obviously, therefore, he is not innocent.</p>
<p>Therefore, he wants to delay his appearance until the situation is more sympathetic to him. Would Zuma pack the JSC? Of course he would; Zuma is capable of anything. Would Zuma pack the JSC just to help Hlophe? We can&#8217;t say for sure.</p>
<p>This is not a conspiracy theory; there is a Zuma conspiracy, obviously. What is written here is simply a contribution to a debate over how far the conspiracy extends.</p>
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		<title>By: gedeza</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/surely-not/#comment-13051</link>
		<dc:creator>gedeza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 06:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@koos // Apr 5, 2009 at 7:58 pm 

No, I did not pass st 6. I grew up in the era of Grades Kos, oops I meant Koos. I then matriculated with distinction. 

I am not delving into academics here. What does that have to do with anything? I think that was a low blow, which unfortunately( for you) was not low enough. Your country is about to be headed by an individual who did not do st 6.
 There is nothing you can do to stop that, or is there?. Tony Leon and I feel that this inst a big issue, maybe you should meet us, then we can have a drink, whilst lecturing you a bit.

Now, here is a bit of advise; post comments that are worthwhile. We are not here to either ridicule or mock each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@koos // Apr 5, 2009 at 7:58 pm </p>
<p>No, I did not pass st 6. I grew up in the era of Grades Kos, oops I meant Koos. I then matriculated with distinction. </p>
<p>I am not delving into academics here. What does that have to do with anything? I think that was a low blow, which unfortunately( for you) was not low enough. Your country is about to be headed by an individual who did not do st 6.<br />
 There is nothing you can do to stop that, or is there?. Tony Leon and I feel that this inst a big issue, maybe you should meet us, then we can have a drink, whilst lecturing you a bit.</p>
<p>Now, here is a bit of advise; post comments that are worthwhile. We are not here to either ridicule or mock each other.</p>
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		<title>By: koos</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/surely-not/#comment-13042</link>
		<dc:creator>koos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 17:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@gedeza // Apr 3, 2009 at 11:45 am 
Did you pass st 6?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@gedeza // Apr 3, 2009 at 11:45 am<br />
Did you pass st 6?</p>
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		<title>By: Garg Unzola</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/surely-not/#comment-13040</link>
		<dc:creator>Garg Unzola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 22:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually the tapes incriminate Zuma in illegal spying. So, the prof would want the tapes to be there in court with Zuma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the tapes incriminate Zuma in illegal spying. So, the prof would want the tapes to be there in court with Zuma.</p>
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		<title>By: ozoneblue</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/surely-not/#comment-13039</link>
		<dc:creator>ozoneblue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>00% legal boy!  

&quot;Clearly, the prof wants the matter to go to court,&quot;

No he doesn&#039;t. He want&#039;&#039;s the NPA tapes to be excluded from the defence on technical grounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>00% legal boy!  </p>
<p>&#8220;Clearly, the prof wants the matter to go to court,&#8221;</p>
<p>No he doesn&#8217;t. He want&#8221;s the NPA tapes to be excluded from the defence on technical grounds.</p>
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		<title>By: 100% legal boy!</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/surely-not/#comment-13038</link>
		<dc:creator>100% legal boy!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 16:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmm...let me see...

Prof wrote: 

 ... I would love for “the truth” about the NPA to come out and for allegations about it to be tested - IN A COURT OF LAW and for this boil to be lanced once and for all. In the absence of a finding by a judge we will never know (a) whether Zuma is guilty and (b) whether the NPA was abused. Why are you guys so scared of the courts?”


Oh-zzzz writes:

Perhaps once we have a full investigation into just how much compromised the NPA and the Scorpions were we wiil be able to tell if tampering with evidence could have occurred.

Clearly, the prof wants the matter to go to court, and Oz wants to delay, just like Hlope. Why? Read Squire&#039;s judgement, all 55k words. Why? As if Squire&#039;s judgement vidicates Zuma, and of what? 

Please Ozone, argue if you must, but stick to what was given to us through the courts. Stop sleeping. Don&#039;t go off on a tangent, just to silence those doubts you have. 

Oh yes, lest I forget, I&#039;m on the market for a wine estate, and a Porsche! Know anyone selling these in a hurry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmm&#8230;let me see&#8230;</p>
<p>Prof wrote: </p>
<p> &#8230; I would love for “the truth” about the NPA to come out and for allegations about it to be tested &#8211; IN A COURT OF LAW and for this boil to be lanced once and for all. In the absence of a finding by a judge we will never know (a) whether Zuma is guilty and (b) whether the NPA was abused. Why are you guys so scared of the courts?”</p>
<p>Oh-zzzz writes:</p>
<p>Perhaps once we have a full investigation into just how much compromised the NPA and the Scorpions were we wiil be able to tell if tampering with evidence could have occurred.</p>
<p>Clearly, the prof wants the matter to go to court, and Oz wants to delay, just like Hlope. Why? Read Squire&#8217;s judgement, all 55k words. Why? As if Squire&#8217;s judgement vidicates Zuma, and of what? </p>
<p>Please Ozone, argue if you must, but stick to what was given to us through the courts. Stop sleeping. Don&#8217;t go off on a tangent, just to silence those doubts you have. </p>
<p>Oh yes, lest I forget, I&#8217;m on the market for a wine estate, and a Porsche! Know anyone selling these in a hurry?</p>
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		<title>By: Tony in Virginia</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/surely-not/#comment-13037</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony in Virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 14:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at the turn of events – bouts of flu, hiring and firing of lawyers – it would appear Hlophe is stalling the hearing for a reason. 

I am afraid Prof, your conspiracy theory, albeit tongue-in-cheek, may not be so unfounded after all.

The Zuma gambit appears to be at work here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at the turn of events – bouts of flu, hiring and firing of lawyers – it would appear Hlophe is stalling the hearing for a reason. </p>
<p>I am afraid Prof, your conspiracy theory, albeit tongue-in-cheek, may not be so unfounded after all.</p>
<p>The Zuma gambit appears to be at work here.</p>
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