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	<description>This blog deals with political and social issues in South Africa, mostly from the perspective of Constitutional Law. Written by Pierre de Vos</description>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/ten-countries-and-counting/#comment-31917</link>
		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 06:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, sorry about that!!  It&#039;s not in my nature to spoil others&#039; Eureka moments!!  I&#039;ll try harder next time not to disappoint.  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, sorry about that!!  It&#8217;s not in my nature to spoil others&#8217; Eureka moments!!  I&#8217;ll try harder next time not to disappoint.  <img src='http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brett Nortje</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/ten-countries-and-counting/#comment-31910</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Nortje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL! No - disappointed! I thought: Eureka!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! No &#8211; disappointed! I thought: Eureka!</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/ten-countries-and-counting/#comment-31909</link>
		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Brett Nortje,

Errm, no.  I am not arguing the point to which you refer.  Good grief!!  I hardly thought my post was of a nature that would induce such apoplectic ranting.

I am arguing for legal recognition of common-law relationships - you will see I also included in brackets &quot;gay or straight&quot; in the excerpt you quote, but maybe you saw the word &quot;gay&quot; and got sidetracked into hysteria.

My understanding of Pierre&#039;s post is that it is not about marriage or civil union partnerships, but about people who choose not to get married and who need legal rights iro that relationship.

Feel better now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Brett Nortje,</p>
<p>Errm, no.  I am not arguing the point to which you refer.  Good grief!!  I hardly thought my post was of a nature that would induce such apoplectic ranting.</p>
<p>I am arguing for legal recognition of common-law relationships &#8211; you will see I also included in brackets &#8220;gay or straight&#8221; in the excerpt you quote, but maybe you saw the word &#8220;gay&#8221; and got sidetracked into hysteria.</p>
<p>My understanding of Pierre&#8217;s post is that it is not about marriage or civil union partnerships, but about people who choose not to get married and who need legal rights iro that relationship.</p>
<p>Feel better now?</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Nortje</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/ten-countries-and-counting/#comment-31893</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Nortje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! Samantha, are you arguing that the purest constitutional argument for extending to gays the statutory protections the contract marriage offers is in terms of the equal protections clause?

Shock! Horror!

What happens to group hugs! Feelings of affirmed dinity? Singing &#039;Kumbaya&#039; during reminiscenses of the bad old days before the decriminilisation of homosexuality?

Samantha says: 
July 19, 2010 at 8:36 am

I believe that it is time that some sort of “common-law” marriage protection be provided to couples (straight or gay) who make the CHOICE not to get married but who wish to live together. The laws regarding marriage are based on a fundamentally Christian premise and in effect, force the concept of marriage on people by providing them with particular rights, which does not apply to people who choose not to get married. To my thinking, this is discriminatory in itself, as it enforces a religious concept as the only acceptable solution to managing relationships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Samantha, are you arguing that the purest constitutional argument for extending to gays the statutory protections the contract marriage offers is in terms of the equal protections clause?</p>
<p>Shock! Horror!</p>
<p>What happens to group hugs! Feelings of affirmed dinity? Singing &#8216;Kumbaya&#8217; during reminiscenses of the bad old days before the decriminilisation of homosexuality?</p>
<p>Samantha says:<br />
July 19, 2010 at 8:36 am</p>
<p>I believe that it is time that some sort of “common-law” marriage protection be provided to couples (straight or gay) who make the CHOICE not to get married but who wish to live together. The laws regarding marriage are based on a fundamentally Christian premise and in effect, force the concept of marriage on people by providing them with particular rights, which does not apply to people who choose not to get married. To my thinking, this is discriminatory in itself, as it enforces a religious concept as the only acceptable solution to managing relationships.</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/ten-countries-and-counting/#comment-31823</link>
		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 06:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not sure if I missed the point of the article or not, but to my understanding, the new Bill to which Pierre refers is designed to give rights to people who have not engaged in a legal relationship - marriage or civil partnership.

I believe that it is time that some sort of &quot;common-law&quot; marriage protection be provided to couples (straight or gay) who make the CHOICE not to get married but who wish to live together.  The laws regarding marriage are based on a fundamentally Christian premise and in effect, force the concept of marriage on people by providing them with particular rights, which does not apply to people who choose not to get married.  To my thinking, this is discriminatory in itself, as it enforces a religious concept as the only acceptable solution to managing relationships.

I fully supported the legislation on Civil Partnerships in light of the rights it bestowed on same-sex couples, but I would be more supportive of legislation that bestows rights on couples who CHOOSE not to &quot;legalise&quot; or &quot;solemnise&quot; their relationships.

There are far too many unhappy and acrimonious marriages that cannot be dissolved because of financial and/or other reasons to justify the idea that only those who are married are entitled to specific rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure if I missed the point of the article or not, but to my understanding, the new Bill to which Pierre refers is designed to give rights to people who have not engaged in a legal relationship &#8211; marriage or civil partnership.</p>
<p>I believe that it is time that some sort of &#8220;common-law&#8221; marriage protection be provided to couples (straight or gay) who make the CHOICE not to get married but who wish to live together.  The laws regarding marriage are based on a fundamentally Christian premise and in effect, force the concept of marriage on people by providing them with particular rights, which does not apply to people who choose not to get married.  To my thinking, this is discriminatory in itself, as it enforces a religious concept as the only acceptable solution to managing relationships.</p>
<p>I fully supported the legislation on Civil Partnerships in light of the rights it bestowed on same-sex couples, but I would be more supportive of legislation that bestows rights on couples who CHOOSE not to &#8220;legalise&#8221; or &#8220;solemnise&#8221; their relationships.</p>
<p>There are far too many unhappy and acrimonious marriages that cannot be dissolved because of financial and/or other reasons to justify the idea that only those who are married are entitled to specific rights.</p>
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		<title>By: abidam</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/ten-countries-and-counting/#comment-31819</link>
		<dc:creator>abidam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 20:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MINUS ONE

&quot;President Robert Mugabe has vowed that the new constitution currently being drafted in Zimbabwe will have no provision for gay rights&quot;

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Mugabe-says-no-to-gay-rights-in-Zimbabwe/Article1-574298.aspx</description>
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<p>&#8220;President Robert Mugabe has vowed that the new constitution currently being drafted in Zimbabwe will have no provision for gay rights&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: anton kleinschmidt</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/ten-countries-and-counting/#comment-31816</link>
		<dc:creator>anton kleinschmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 06:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately this debate has become tedious through overuse and I suspect that it undermines the peace of mind of many of those gays who just want to get on with their lives. Gays are now an accepted part of most civilised communities, and so it should be. Militant activism can morph into being detrimental to the broader community which it represents

Gay rights have made huge positive strides over the past 40 years. If I cast my mind back to the days that I was in high school it was almost unheard of that anyone would admit to be being gay.

What will the future bring in terms of levelling the hetero / homosexual playing field?  Could we see militant homosexual demands for the notional right to procreate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately this debate has become tedious through overuse and I suspect that it undermines the peace of mind of many of those gays who just want to get on with their lives. Gays are now an accepted part of most civilised communities, and so it should be. Militant activism can morph into being detrimental to the broader community which it represents</p>
<p>Gay rights have made huge positive strides over the past 40 years. If I cast my mind back to the days that I was in high school it was almost unheard of that anyone would admit to be being gay.</p>
<p>What will the future bring in terms of levelling the hetero / homosexual playing field?  Could we see militant homosexual demands for the notional right to procreate.</p>
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		<title>By: Spuy</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/ten-countries-and-counting/#comment-31813</link>
		<dc:creator>Spuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just google this date and be amazed. 21 May 2011.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just google this date and be amazed. 21 May 2011.</p>
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		<title>By: Spuy</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/ten-countries-and-counting/#comment-31812</link>
		<dc:creator>Spuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No wonder why some are hellbent on saying the Son of Man is coming on the 21 May 2011 to judge this world. Sin is spreading like wild fire in the name of human rights....human rights my voet!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No wonder why some are hellbent on saying the Son of Man is coming on the 21 May 2011 to judge this world. Sin is spreading like wild fire in the name of human rights&#8230;.human rights my voet!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Snowman</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/ten-countries-and-counting/#comment-31802</link>
		<dc:creator>Snowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Herman Lategan.

All I can add is that the concept of &#039;gay marriage&#039; is parasitic.  Gays like Herman Lategan are demonstrating that they are independent thinkers and do not need to follow an outdated and outmoded heterosexual institution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Herman Lategan.</p>
<p>All I can add is that the concept of &#8216;gay marriage&#8217; is parasitic.  Gays like Herman Lategan are demonstrating that they are independent thinkers and do not need to follow an outdated and outmoded heterosexual institution.</p>
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