Constitutional Hill

The good news from “Dr” Molapo and “Dr” Maxwell

Some examples of what judges would have had to endure if they had attended the “Leadership Conference”, which they were urged to attend by Chief Justice Mogoeng Mogoeng. All I can say is that I am glad I did not have to attend this event. Apart from the lack of fashion sense displayed by the speakers, I would have felt pretty insulted for being sold this quackery and having had to PAY to attend to listen to it.

First up, “Dr” David Molapo:

Second up, “Dr” John Maxwell

  • Pierre De Vos

    “God is going to turn your lemons into lemonade this year,” says the preacher, “because god wants you to be at your peak.”

    Well, tell that to somebody starving in a hut in a deep rural part of South Africa (where they do not have money to contribute to the wealth of the preachers); tell that to a lesbian who was raped by people who have been told that god hates lesbians (or their sins at least); tell that to somebody brutally assuatled by an out of control police officer. I mean, who ARE these people who bring this upbeat message of redemoption (as long as you donate liberally to the preacher) and why do people keep on giving them money. One might as well drive to Bischop’s Court and throw hundred Rand notes out of the windows of your car in the hope that the onwders of those posh houses will smile on you and make you rich.

  • Henri

    Just reflect for one moment what a guy who revels in, and admires the sermons of the above two preachers – ie who so much enjoy what they have to say that he feels free to instruct his juniors to attend – must think of “sinners’ like gays, lesbians, gay marriages, adoption of children by the aforementioned….etc….etc.

  • PM
  • http://www.unisa.ac.za Sebjeni Moyahabo

    This is exactly what constitutes a challenge in this country of ours; there simply exist a tendency that any Christianity supportive act is legit yet at the same time sing a diversity verse from our Constitution
    I am still wondering if the Christian atmosphere (like the one at issue) took part in the restrictive and strange interpretation of the freedom of religion in Princes’ case, (The Rastafarian). It is this case that makes one believes that if that court can be made a Christianity head office, then all other religious groups would be in danger.
    What is even more embarrassing is when the ‘Chief Justice’ lacks the foresight that the matter i when reasonable viewed ,is likely to yield undesired results.

  • Chris (Not the right wing guy)

    Do you suggest that the video clips were taken at the “Leadership Conference”?

  • Brett Nortje

    O, so dit is beter vir die samelewing om mense niks te los om in te glo nie?

  • Brett Nortje

    My faith in Nathi Mthethwa has just taken a huge knock. Not that I believe in black Messiahs anymore – Mbeki was a good lesson.

    Of course, there are 100s of other examples.

    There seems to be this huge-backlash against values I have in common with most of the ‘population’ (putting aside the reality that this blog is an ‘Ivory Tower’).

    So, what is left to believe in?

    http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71654?oid=286692&sn=Detail&pid=71616

    Four reasons Nhlanhla Mkhwanazi must be suspended – Kohler Barnard
    Dianne Kohler Barnard
    15 March 2012

    DA MP says authority and integrity of acting national commissioner has been severely compromised

    DA calls for suspension of Acting National Police Commissioner

    Acting National Police Commissioner, Nhlanhla Mkhwanazi, must be suspended with immediate effect.

    There are four reasons for this call by the Democratic Alliance (DA):

    First and foremost, he confessed to a group of SAPS members on the 5th of March 2012 that he was part of a group within SAPS which had killed an innocent man and that he had refused to provide a statement to that effect. As he has claimed that he was there when someone was killed, he was therefore implicated in a cover-up. I am in possession of nine affidavits by those who were at the briefing when he made this startling admission. In these affidavits each officer expresses shock at the Acting National Police Commissioner’s “admission regarding his knowledge of killing somebody”. These documents will be handed over to the Public Protector for investigation.

    Second, he has personally stepped in and stopped an investigation into the misappropriation of millions if not billions of rands of the Crime Intelligence Secret Fund. Questions were being asked about acquisitions by the Minister of Police and his family members, and of a Divisional Commissioner who apparently bought herself an Audi Q7 using these funds. She has not been suspended. A number of dockets relating to this investigation have now been handed back to Crime Intelligence – the very unit under investigation. It seems the Acting Police Commissioner is intent on sweeping this sorry mess under the carpet.

    Third, during another briefing in KwaZulu-Natal (KZN) he referred to Indian members of the SAPS as being an “Indian Mafia” that must be dispensed with. This has caused a deep racial division within the SAPS of KZN at a time when the National Commissioner is fighting for his career; and when the manner in which the R57 billion police budget is being spent, and inexplicable promotions within the service, are coming under fire in the Police Portfolio Committee in Parliament.

    Finally, an exposé which revealed that 27 000 SAPS members are carrying firearms despite having failed their competency tests, has lead him to instigate a witch-hunt into who ‘leaked’ this information rather than an investigation into why station heads had allowed these members to continue carrying firearms.

    It is clear that the authority and credibility of the Acting National Police Commissioner have been severely compromised. He should therefore be removed from office immediately.

    Statement issued by Dianne Kohler Barnard MP, DA Shadow Minister of Police, March 15 2012

  • Cicero Langa

    It never ends.

  • ewald

    Jeezas Kraaist is all I can say. What a load of pure unadulterated crap. “Total package value R2 745 total savings R2 095″ Ha-ha-ha who they think they are fooling, that ‘discount’ must cut it close to the so-called ‘cost’.

    Only God can deliver us from this psychotic :)

    Will the judges who followed the call from this Mogoe from the Sea of Galilea please stand up?

  • Jonathan Klaaren

    Hmmm. … I find it interesting whether we see Maxwell et al. As a commercial venture or a religious one. From a social science perspective, it is may well be both. But from a legal perspective, as the experience of countries with longer and more distinct doctrines of separation of church and state would indicate, it is difficult and tricky to discern. Which also means, a la the respect due to religious faiths, see the debate re Prince, that one should be careful here.

  • Peter

    The thought that our CJ would order his senior underlings to go listen to (and pay) these money-grubbing happy clappy morons is horrifying. Our CJ is a pitiful moron of the most dangerous kind – i.e. one that is infected with certitude and actually holds a position of significant influence. The judges under him will ignore him over time, rendering his leadership useless, and leading to all sorts of disfunction in our highest court. The JSC should fire him asap. amen

  • Brett Nortje

    He is completely lacking in insight and foresight – a strange quality in a judge.

  • spoiler

    What Peter said and what the DA said re the acting police criminal. This countries ANC annointed leaders never fail to impress.

  • Brett Nortje

    Yes, but, once again, the ANC sabotages the Constitution which provides for this kind of situation, no?

    Has the Auditor General ever audited the Crime Intelligence Secret Fund?

  • ozoneblue

    Pierre De Vos
    March 15, 2012 at 13:49 pm

    “Well, tell that to somebody starving in a hut in a deep rural part of South Africa (where they do not have money to contribute to the wealth of the preachers); tell that to a lesbian who was raped by people who have been told that god hates lesbians (or their sins at least); tell that to somebody brutally assuatled by an out of control police officer. I mean, who ARE these people who bring this upbeat message of redemoption (as long as you donate liberally to the preacher) and why do people keep on giving them money. One might as well drive to Bischop’s Court and throw hundred Rand notes out of the windows of your car in the hope that the onwders of those posh houses will smile on you and make you rich.”

    What would you noble gays holidaying in Tel Aviv do better than those evil Evangelical Christians for “the poor”?

    http://www.gaychristian101.com/Gay-Affirming-Church.html

  • Nationalise the Minds

    We must not lose sight of the fact that we all believe in something. That is, of course, if we are honest with ourselves.

    We ought to interact with others with that in mind.

  • Pierre De Vos
  • ozoneblue

    Interesting:

    “As indicated previously, the need for Heads of Courts to be offered leadership training was identified as far back as 2005. As a matter of record from the 4th to the 5th June 2006, Judges underwent leadership training under the auspices of the Stephen Covey Foundation.”

    Stephen Covey Foundation.

    “Religion

    Covey is a practicing member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He served a two-year mission in England for the LDS Church.[6] Covey served as the first president of the Irish Mission of the church starting in July 1962.[7]

    When Covey studied as an MBA student at Harvard, he would on occasion preach to crowds on Boston Common.[8]

    Covey has authored several devotional works for Latter-day Saint or Mormon readers, including:

    Spiritual Roots of Human Relations (1970)
    The Divine Center (1982)
    6 Events: The Restoration Model for Solving Life’s Problems (2004).

    Covey says he “never introduces religion or politics into his books or worldwide seminars”.[9]”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Covey#Religion

  • sirjay jonson

    Once again, this is an issue about ignorance. I don’t mean this as a criticism but rather as an observation. The black majority has little understanding of global history or of the development of Democracy as we know it in the much maligned west.

    Separation of powers, separation of secular and the religious. These are new concepts to Africans and as such are not understood, or rather, not appreciated for what they have to offer, or the protections they insure. Further, the big and little men make sure the ignorance of their fodder remains.

    Observing members of the educated and worldly SAfrican community it is rather easy to understand their startled amazement about black African ignorance, as in their apparent total lack of understanding regarding the many ramifications ultimately produced by unwise beliefs and decisions, long illustrated in the struggles of other nations for those cognizant of human history.

    The educated see the self interested ‘me versus them’ attitudes, the intentionally promoted self serving victimhood consciousness, the ‘its my time to eat and to hell with anyone else’.

    Maturity takes time, no less national maturity. I trust South Africa will evolve successfully, as painfully as it is, evidently. I’m not being patronizing by saying much of SAfrican political discourse reminds me of my many children.

    On the one hand we have those who understand Democracy, and on the other, the majority who don’t, as though it is an alien conception, as perhaps to South Africa blacks, it is.

    Not sure there’s an answer to this. Only time and meaningful education can make a difference, and will that be allowed?

  • Snowman

    Sirjay, well said. You took the words out of my mouth.

  • eagleowl

    Yes, Sirjay. Bravely spoken.

  • ozoneblue

    sirjay jonson
    March 16, 2012 at 21:44 pm

    “Once again, this is an issue about ignorance. I don’t mean this as a criticism but rather as an observation. The black majority has little understanding of global history or of the development of Democracy as we know it in the much maligned west.”

    I see. The white minority under Apartheid were much better at “democracy” and “Separation of powers, separation of secular and the religious.”

    LOL.

  • Dmwangi

    ‘sirjay jonson
    March 16, 2012 at 21:44 pm’

    Sirjay is out of the closet– as an inane asshole. I assure you Sirjay, I know more about Western political philosophy and the development of democracy than you could ever hope to. Perhaps you ought to refer to those veritable Western canons as the Summa, Aristotle’s Politics, Locke’s Letter Concerning Toleration, Kant’s ‘Metaphysics of Morals,’ Montesquieu’s ‘Spirit of the Laws,’ Madison’s Federalist, and Tocqueville’s ‘Democracy in America’ to understand why the CJ’s invitation is completely congruent w/secularism ‘rightly understood’– as Tocqueville would say– and the separation of powers doctrine.

    Perhaps the pink mafia should make the judges attend a leadership conference held by the CEO of Goldman: http://m.cnbc.com/us_news/46761775

  • Brett Nortje

    Yes, Mwangi, you’re a rare intellect.

    But you’re here. Not in your own country. Why is that? A refugee?

  • Dmwangi

    Actually Brett, I’m not in SA right now.

    Global markets require global mobility. I travel as required.

    I’ll let you and MDF know next time I’m in Kaap so we can race my new 911 Turbo against his Maserati.

    Sirjay can bring himself too– and an extra pair of trousers.

  • Cicero Langa

    @Sirjay and all that agree with you
    If you have to use the analogy, it is rather applicable to our democracy, as opposed our leaders. I most certainly cannot agree with the rest of what you say or the unmistakable thread which runs through your reasoning.

    Our democracy is in its adolescence; of course there are going to be problems. They will however not be solved by your type of statement. The Dwangi-like reaction is then also sure to follow. It’s so predictable its scary.

    When our democracy veers off course we have to react speedily and decisively. Being in its formative years, if we allow it to continue to veer off, it will have dire consequences in the long run. Nobody said the maturity of our constitutional democracy (which could just as easily be described as a “constitutional project” or a “constitutional experiment”) will be reached without growing pains.

    When you revert to this type of patronizing (and simply unfounded) rhetoric, every pimple on our democracy’s face will leave a scar. The problems and tensions we experience are NOT limited to the African continent and Africa. Our problems are however exacerbated because of our sordid passed. This is so not as a result of what you term “ignorance” of our leaders, but rather the ignorance evidenced in your own reasoning.

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Cicero Langa
    March 17, 2012 at 8:28 am

    Hey Cicero,

    “@Sirjay and all that agree with you”.

    I was about to say “well said”.

    But I’ll take a rain check on that even though I agree nearly entirely with what you say until I understand better what it is that I want to applaud.

  • ozoneblue

    Cicero Langa
    March 17, 2012 at 8:28 am

    “Our democracy is in its adolescence; of course there are going to be problems.”

    I assume then in a democracy we want to develop the maturity where we accept that a professional would have enough integrity to separate his personal believes, whether they are political, philosophical or religious from the ethics that govern his profession?

    For example: lawyers and judges would apply their professional judgment without fear or prejudice in accordance with the law of the country and the constitution?

  • ozoneblue

    “believes” should read “beliefs”

  • ozoneblue

    But the problem is this: once we accept this CRT dogma that people are always acting/motivated by racial/religious/gender/whatever preferences we also undermine our confidence in professional ethics and the very assumption that underly for example our justice system – i.e. that judges will act impartially in good faith.

  • ozoneblue

    The doctrine of “good faith”

    Wikipedia:

    “In philosophy, the concept of good faith (Latin: bona fides, or bona fide for “in good faith”) denotes sincere, honest intention or belief, regardless of the outcome of an action; the opposed concepts are bad faith, mala fides (duplicity) and perfidy (pretense). In law, bona fides denotes the mental and moral states of honesty and conviction regarding either the truth or the falsity of a proposition, or of a body of opinion; likewise regarding either the rectitude or the depravity of a line of conduct. As a legal concept bona fides is especially important in matters of equity (see Contract).[1][2] Linguistically, in the U.S., American English usage of bona fides applies it as synonymous with credentials, professional background, and documents attesting a person’s identity, which is not synonymous with bona fide occupational qualifications.[3]”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_faith

  • Brett Nortje

    Dmwangi says:
    March 17, 2012 at 0:33 am

    We know why Sirjay is in the country: To help SOuth Africans feed themselves.

    Obviously, a person with moral awareness.

    And you? Why are you not putting that superior intellect to use helping the people you grew up with and your family? Did you make a bee-line for South Africa and the black elite only intent on self-enrichment, as rapidly as possible, because you sensed kindred spirits?

  • Brett Nortje

    ozoneblue says:
    March 17, 2012 at 10:21 am
    The doctrine of “good faith”

    Thank you! I think I get it now.

    What the National Party showed by entering into negotiations with the world’s most ineffective liberation movement to try find a modus vivendi between black and white was ‘good faith’.

    And the ANC was acting ‘mala fides’ when it committed itself to that constitutional agreement.

  • Henri

    Zuma and the ANC has allies from strange directions in their wish to clip the wings of the pestering constitution:
    “Hy het dus lank genoeg op die regbank gedien om nie op hol te raak oor goed soos die hersiening van die konstitusionele hof se magte nie, wat tans ter sprake is.

    “Die stryd tussen die howe en uitvoerende gesag is nou maar ’n ding wat wêreldwyd voorkom,” sê hy en streel oor sy das.

    “Dis ongelukkig, want dit skep ’n vreeslike wanklank wat onnodig is. Per slot van rekening kan hulle nie die konstitusionele hof se magte inperk behalwe as ons teruggaan na parlementêre soewereiniteit nie.

    “Maar die groot probleem bly dat die konstitusie gebaseer is op Noord-Europese en liberale begrippe en nou vind die mense wat nie daardie etos deel nie dit moeilik om vrede daarmee te maak.

    “Die konstitusie, dink ek persoonlik, is ’n wonderlike konstitusie, maar in ons konteks te ambisieus”
    http://www.beeld.com/In-Diepte/Nuus/Hy-het-sy-werk-eerlik-gedoen-20120316
    Thanks heavens these dinosaurs are retiring – so that we’ll get fewer and fewer myopic decisions like Sekhoto 2011[5] SA 367 SCA giving the Police a free hand in arrests

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Brett Nortje
    March 17, 2012 at 11:18 am

    LOL G,

    On both counts!

  • ozoneblue

    Brett Nortje
    March 17, 2012 at 11:22 am

    In principle – if you look for example at the much hyped ideal of “nonracialism” and redistribution of monopolized wealth. But on the other hard it is hard to say whether the Nats acted in good faith either – I would say everybody acted in bad faith. That is why the ideals of the Freedom Charter were sacrificed [in favor of the Constitution] for a new racial, capitalist system that preserved the privileges of the rich and powerful.

    The NDR in conjunction with the neliberal reading of the Constitution is the embodiment of that racial capitalism. What needs to be done is it must be striped of its “noble” mythology and exposed for what it is. It will never “uplift the masses” or “bring about a non-racial” South Africa because it was never designed to do that. In fact it is quite important as we saw in Zimbabwe to entrench an impoverished, uneducated and political unsophisticated critical mass as voting fodder to maintain control over the state resources and to exercise control over the security establishment.

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    ozoneblue
    March 17, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Hey OB,

    That’s has to be a top contender for the biggest load of crap ever.

    No constitution, no matter how perfectly written, can ever do anything –
    constitutions are words on paper.

  • ozoneblue

    Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com
    March 17, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    The constitution is open to interpretation and the interpretation depends on the value system generally adopted in the society.

    The first and most obvious one is the meaning of the word TRANSFORMATION. Does it mean that your already spoiled son should become captain of the provincial team simply because he is black which is naked racism, or does it mean that there should be a massive development in rural and township cricket and a corresponding development in competition.

    Just ask Dr Max Price how many students do they take from public schools at UCT.

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    ozoneblue
    March 17, 2012 at 13:26 pm

    Hey OB,

    “The constitution is open to interpretation and the interpretation depends on the value system generally adopted in the society.”

    Nicely said.

    Re Transformation – let me set your mind at ease before you develop an ulcer and sue me.

    April Fool’s day is still very far away. I don’t have a 10 year old son or a 9 year old son or a eleven year old son – nor any child who participates in sport at that or any other level. So you can chill on that count.

    But if your annoyance at that having been a prospect is anything to go by, perhaps you will extrapolate the effect of our horrendous past on millions of South Africans who have to bear the consequences while those who were beneficiaries would simply have it glossed over on the pretext of “letting the past be” while holding steadfastly onto their individual gains.

  • Brett Nortje

    ozoneblue says:
    March 17, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Weet jy waarvoor staan blah blah blah?

    bubbleshap bubbleshap bubbleshap…

    Gee vir ons tasbare voorbeeld van die NP se mala fides – nie verontskuldigende veralgemings nie.

    Ek het nie ingestem tot die Freedom Charter nie – hopelik het my ma toe nog nie eers gedink aan spyker nie…

    Wys ons waar ‘n marxistiese staat ooit die masses geuplift het, toe? As daar in Zimbabwe onmiddelik ‘n oorgang na marxisme was het jy on middelik ‘n fokop met hongersnood gesien.

  • Brett Nortje

    Henri says:
    March 17, 2012 at 11:23 am

    Exactly what Sirjay observed.

    ““Maar die groot probleem bly dat die konstitusie gebaseer is op Noord-Europese en liberale begrippe en nou vind die mense wat nie daardie etos deel nie dit moeilik om vrede daarmee te maak.””

  • ozoneblue

    Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com
    March 17, 2012 at 14:11 pm

    “But if your annoyance at that having been a prospect is anything to go by, perhaps you will extrapolate the effect of our horrendous past on millions of South Africans who have to bear the consequences while those who were beneficiaries would simply have it glossed over on the pretext of “letting the past be” while holding steadfastly onto their individual gains.”

    So this is exactly what I mean. Lets just analyse the value system articulated in there. It speaks of collective punishment and retribution. Both those sentiments are of course nowhere to be found in either the Freedom Charter or the Constitution. Further it is fundamentally dishonest because as is the habit when anybody points out how racist AA is in its practical implementation immediately the race aspect is conflated with class – this is a pretty weak and transparent strategy to side-step and conceal the hypocrisy inherent in racist capitalist system. It is also fundamental dishonest because it paints a distorted and one-sided picture of the history of South Africa, and the relative contribution of white people to its development and industrialization (as seen from a capitalist pov) in the context of the African continent.

  • ozoneblue

    Brett Nortje
    March 17, 2012 at 14:14 pm

    Zimbabwe practiced anything but Marxism you brainwashed clutz.

  • ozoneblue

    Brett Nortje
    March 17, 2012 at 14:15 pm

    As far as I’m concerned it is racists like yourself who sold South Africa out. You are the alter-ego or the flip-side of the Black nationalism that you so much detest. The Apartheid government did exactly what the ANC is accused of doing now – I have pointed that out to you many times.

    It is pretty fucking laughable that dumb people like you would log in here and accuse the current government of the very same things that you enthusiastically practised for 40/50 years under Apartheid.

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    ozoneblue
    March 17, 2012 at 14:59 pm

    Hey OB

    Yeah – it is really laughable for Brett to accuse “the current [ANC] government of the very same things that you enthusiastically practised for 40/50 years under Apartheid.”

    Especially since you note in the same comment that “[t]he Apartheid government did exactly what the ANC is accused of doing now – I have pointed that out to you many times”.

    Brett is silly , ne!

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Dmwangi

    “Perhaps you ought to refer to those veritable Western canons as the Summa, Aristotle’s Politics”

    Coincidentally, I am spending this weekend preparing the program for my always-popular Winter School course “The Joys of the Western Canon – and How it Can Change Your Life!” I would be delighted if you would give this year’s 12-part lecture series on Aristotle’s Politics? (I am handing Plato and St Augustine myself.) Dates are 16-19 June, Venue: Mill Park Holiday Inn.

    Thanks very much.

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Mbeki for ANCYL President?

    The youth of the African continent should prepare themselves for a rebellion against their older generation and claim their leadership role Thabo Mbeki said on Saturday. …

    “To ensure that [the youth] actually exercises the leadership everybody rhetorically accepts and proclaims is its due, the youth must organise and ready itself to rebel, so to speak!

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2012/03/17/africa-s-youth-should-rebel-mbeki

  • Dmwangi

    Cicero:

    ‘The Dwangi-like reaction is then also sure to follow. It’s so predictable its scary.’

    Yep, quoting Tocqueville and challenging someone to debate W. political philosophy is pretty scary. Better make sure to have mob control.

    Brett:

    Don’t be a hater. I operate in countries all over the world, including 16 in Africa. I assure you I have created more employment and have more S. Africans on my payroll than Sirjay. For a guy who purports to favour free-market capitalism, you seem pretty hostile to free enterprise. Why don’t you and Maggs stop whining and compete– produce something besides hot air. That is how one makes money in a market economy.

    MDF: I will take you up on your offer. But I must be given license to present the material in the manner I wish– dialectical method. And I’ll only grant this favour if you agree to run your Maserati against my 911.

  • Dmwangi

    OB:

    ‘Just ask Dr Max Price how many students do they take from public schools at UCT.’

    Let’s say hypothetically we jettison AA (which I think has little + or – measurable effect) and BEE (which arguably, but not certainly, does more harm than good). Then what? Obviously there needs to be tons of investment in township and rural education and development. But That won’t be felt for at least a generation. What are you going to do about the tens of millions of people who have reached age of majority and have no skills or training due to attending inferior schools. Any kind of job training or employment program aimed specifically at them will be subject to similar abuse and will receive the same criticism as AA and BEE.

    So what’s your practicable solution for the 30 year-old sitting in Alexandra who’s never had a formal job and is barely literate.

  • Dmwangi

    MDF:

    Btw, Proust is kak.

  • sirjay jonson

    @all
    I appreciate the comments to my earlier post. I ask however a simple question.
    Who believes that South Africa has a mature Democracy? Its not enough to say we haven’t had time when the Constitution itself is so justly highly regarded, when the corruption is so rife, the attacks against reason so virile.

    What I hear from the detractors of our Constitution in my opinion, is grounded in the quote ‘my term to eat…’ screw the rest of you.

    Is this not the attitude of children, uncaring and lacking compassion, in other words, ignorant.

    It is not racist, nor is it patronizing to recognize and speak out about the immature behavior of not only our elite, but that of so many of the net trolls who attack any criticism of thievery and self serving interest with hate and threat.

    I have no shame for what I believe, produced by what I see.

  • sirjay jonson

    @Brett:

    Thanks for the comment about food security. By the way, I enjoy your posts on various news items and blogs. Now why is it so many whites struggle to improve the life of the disadvantaged against such odds, and yet are so maligned?

  • Dmwangi

    ‘I have no shame for what I believe….’

    Good. Me neither. And I believe you are incredibly out of your depth. You naively and chauvinistically make the assumption that anyone who doesn’t believe in modern liberalism a la Canada is a morally bankrupt, ignorant, Phillistine.

    Sorry, modern liberalism must be defended on its own merits like every other worldview. Unfortunately, you are I’ll-equipped to provide a robust defense so you devolve into simplistic diatribes about blacks being infantile– which is mostly just a reflection of your own tantrums.

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Dmwangi
    March 17, 2012 at 18:50 pm

    Hey Dufus,

    “Why don’t you and Maggs stop whining and compete– produce something besides hot air. That is how one makes money in a market economy.”

    Who should I compete against and why?

    Why do I need to make “money in a market economy”?

    p.s. Do tell Dworky that you have already discovered “The Joys of the Western Canon – and How it Can Change Your Life!” – and explain to Brett that is why you abandoned homophobia in your home country for South Africa.

    You can also abandon speaking in code using “Maserati”, “911″ etc – this is a friendly blog – nobody cares if you are forthright!

  • sirjay jonson

    @Maggs: Didn’t you take your anti depressants today mate? How can you deny that what we have is an immature Democracy ignorant of the ramifications of its decisions? Many of your posts are critical of the elite’s actions. What I am saying is no different.

    Take a deep breath, and consider.

  • sirjay jonson

    @Maggs: As for your comment about Canadian liberalism. One, have you fallen for the myth of liberalism being the breath of the Devil? If you have, then you’ve been paying too much attention to US political spin. Two, would you not like SAfrica to be as successful as Canada. Three: why is Canada so successful?

  • Dmwangi

    Catamite,

    Generally ppl who live in a market economy need money in order to eat.

    How’s this for forthright: Why did you abandon your wife for PdV’s left hand?

  • sirjay jonson

    Dmwangi
    March 17, 2012 at 19:58 pm

    Someone should tell you your last comment is simply lewd and rude. So I will. What does it have to do with anything. Grow up.

  • Dmwangi

    Well Sirjay, I’m black which tautologically means I’m immature and child-like, remember?

    Might as well live down to expectations.

  • sirjay jonson

    Dmwangi
    March 17, 2012 at 20:11 pm

    As I say to my many children: you have choices, its up to you who you are and who you wish to be. As for you color I couldn’t care less.

  • sirjay jonson

    Dmwangi
    March 17, 2012 at 20:11 pm

    “As for you color I couldn’t care less.”

    I can say that since four of my children are of mixed cultures, and somewhat tanned.

  • Dmwangi

    ‘As I say to my many children: you have choices, its up to you who you are and who you wish to be. As for you color I couldn’t care less.’

    Fair enough.

    I’m pretty comfortable being a father, successful businessman and slinger of pejoratives at ppl like Maggs.

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Dmwangi
    March 17, 2012 at 19:58 pm

    LOL Dm,

    If I eat any more, I’ll end up looking like you and your dad, Idi Amin.

    I abandoned my wife because – wait a mo you tricked me dammit, I didn’t abandon my wife. Yet!

    p.s. Are you enjoying Porsche-ing your gardener and the joys of “[t]he Joys of [his] Western Canon”?

    It’s nice of you to be ‘fathering’ his three boys?

  • sirjay jonson

    @ozoneblue
    March 16, 2012 at 22:12 pm

    OZ: you have issues you need to address within yourself. You completely misread and misunderstood what I was saying. I can only surmise that you came to such conclusions about my posts based on a deeply seeded victim mentality which is unwittingly determining what you think and say and post.

    If I may, I suggest that you go over many of the comments you have made to the various blogs by Prof for the past few months, and meditate on them. Is this who you really are? Is this what you really want to say? Is this who you want to be, or become through growth.

    Of are you so wounded that such growth is not possible for now?

  • Dmwangi

    OB:

    Sirjay @ 20:30:

    Is this guy serious? He seems to really ruminate about what is said on this blog. Kind of comical….

  • ozoneblue

    Dmwangi
    March 17, 2012 at 19:05 pm

    “Obviously there needs to be tons of investment in township and rural education and development.”

    If it is so obvious why is it never done. Why does it always remain a fringe problem, the peripheral elephant in the room.

    Could it be that it shows no immediate profit as per your free market philosophy?

  • Dmwangi

    I’m not a free-market zealot. I’m very comfortable with a regulated, mixed-economy in which the government provides public goods. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of Brett’s purported free-market inclinations with his phobia and envy of entrepreneurs.

    But that still doesn’t answer my question: Hypothetically, let’s suppose massive educational investment was happening. How does that help the 30 year-old in Alexandra?

  • ozoneblue

    Dmwangi
    March 17, 2012 at 21:41 pm

    “I’m not a free-market zealot. I’m very comfortable with a regulated, mixed-economy in which the government provides public goods.”

    Well then we are all on the same page.

    “How does that help the 30 year-old in Alexandra?”

    It all depends on what the expectations are of the 30 year-old in Alexandra. Is it to accumulate riches quickly/instantly – or is it to make a contribution and to understand that the current economy is a function of his/her own individual creative contribution. Government intervention remains crucial however, should play a leading role to facilitate such an environment, but I don’t think AA/BEE to be the sum of it. AA/BEE is “marginalized minority that must be affirmed” sort of thinking – in South Africa that formula cannot work.

  • Dmwangi

    I’m afraid that left to his own devices the 30 year-old illiterate will not be able to make much of a creative contribution because the education system has already failed him. I’m fine if you want to remove BEE and quotas because you don’t think they’re efficacious. But you have to give some alternative prescription. Some government sponsored job training or public-private partnership that encourages firms to hire and train these specific citizens. Government can’t allows millions of ppl to sit idle because it failed to equip them to participate in a modern economy. But I’m afraid any policy that targeted help to these ppl would also be subject to cries of favouritism and racial profiteering.

  • ozoneblue

    Dmwangi
    March 17, 2012 at 22:50 pm

    “But I’m afraid any policy that targeted help to these ppl would also be subject to cries of favouritism and racial profiteering.”

    People who think like I do are not at all against the concept and goals of AA/BEE.
    All we are saying is give class a chance. Do you not notice that the way current AA/BEE works is that the cream is simply skimmed from the top and then redressed on a different salad? And you see this everywhere. Black from model-C/private schools are used to prop up AA/BEE head counts and that constitutes TRANSFORMATION?

    To come back to the 30 year old illiterate from Alexandra. You ask how we address that problem? Do you imagine that AA/BEE is the solution. How do you push a 30 year old illiterate into any job besides manual labor? Cde Zuma already created the EPWP – we must support that. I have posted before that we used to have compulsory national service. Surely we can afford to absorb unemployed illiterate 30 year olds into national service developmental programs instead of buying military hardware?

  • Brett Nortje

    Dmwangi says:
    March 17, 2012 at 21:41 pm

    Hhhmmm!

    And here I thought it was simple Mwangi-phobia….

  • Dmwangi

    Hmmm… We seem to be, for the most part, in heated agreement.

    ‘Do you imagine that AA/BEE is the solution.’

    Nope. (Although I don’t think it’s as disintegrative as some do.) I’m fine with scrapping it if there were serious, robust alternatives implemented in place of it.

    National service is an excellent idea! Why do we not hear that policy being peddled more?

    National service in conjunction with public-private partnerships where ppl like the 30 year-old Alexandran are put to work building houses, roads, infrastructure learning plumbing, artisanship, carpentry, electrical work and how to run a contracting business. Those who complete their service should be given access to either subsidised small-business loans or further vocational education.

    Sounds good. But BEE has a lot of entrenched interests so I presume we’ll stick w/that paradigm for the foreseeable future.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbender

    Dmwangi, like you, I a successful international financier, with offices in most of the Balkans, and now also in Sicily, Malta, Cyprus and Algeria. Like you, I am well versed in literature from Homer to Wilbur Smith. Yet, when people ask me where I got my doctorate, I get acutely embarrassed and need to leave the room quickly. What do you advise?

  • Dmwangi

    I advise either:

    a) Stop worrying about it and get a woman.

    b) Deflect them from your inferior education by showing them your Maserati.

    c) Stop worrying about it and use your Maserati to get a woman.

  • Dmwangi

    Btw, I’m a global trader not a ‘financier.’

    Being a ‘financier’ and graduate of the Univ. of Slovenia, I’m sure you understand the distinction.

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbender
    March 18, 2012 at 0:56 am

    Hey Dworky,

    “Yet, when people ask me where I got my doctorate, I get acutely embarrassed and need to leave the room quickly.”

    WHITE people always ask that to get impressed.

    Just like worthy woman are easily impressed by the size of your Maserati.

    Black people on the other hand are always impressed if you say you attended “graduate university”. Or you can impress us all by pretending you know stuff or big words.

    You should therefore convert to Black urgently – even Charlise Theron is on that spiritually uplifting path.

    p.s. CJ Mogoeng-squared will sell you some special oils to accelerate your transformation from a WHITE person to a human being.

  • Brett Nortje

    Dmwangi says:
    March 18, 2012 at 1:23 am

    I hope what you trade in is legal…

  • Dmwangi

    @Brett:

    I’ll bet you R10k you’ve purchased a product my company supplies.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Dmwangi

    “I’ll bet you R10k you’ve purchased a product my company supplies.”

    I would bet you $55,000 that you are directly or through an intermediary invested in one of my Adriatic Growth Funds.

    Thanks.

  • Dmwangi

    I’ll take that bet.

    My portfolio consists entirely of equity in my own company. Why diversify when I can maintain 18% geomean growth?

    Where can I collect?

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Dmwangi
    March 18, 2012 at 18:23 pm

    LOL Dm,

    “I’ll take that bet.”

    With that certain outcome, that was a darn good investment of $55,000 in Dworky’s “Adriatic Growth Funds”!

  • Brett Nortje

    Dmwangi says:
    March 18, 2012 at 15:55 pm

    Mwangi, I’m not impressed by the money you say you have. If you want to impress me show me how you’ve helped your family and the people you grew up with.

    I’m one of the least materialistic people you’ve ever seen.

    For a good example of noblesse oblige watch our DP this week.

  • Dmwangi

    @Brett:

    Good for you, Brett! But I like fast cars.

    Just stating facts. No need for pretentiousness. Fortunately, my family has been very blessed and doesn’t need any monetary help from me. But thanks for your concern.

    Regards.

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Dmwangi
    March 18, 2012 at 21:10 pm

    Hey Dm,

    Are you going to pay Dworky US $55000 for losing the bet????

  • Dmwangi

    Please explain how I lost that bet?

  • Brett Nortje

    Oh, I think we all have the picture, my dear Mwangi.

    It reminds one that the vast majority of people involved in charity work in this country have always been white. The same with the Urban Foundation, the Rural Foundation, the SBDC, Operation SNowball, etc etc etc …always white.

    The ANC alienated those folks in its haste to discredit them because to build legitimacy in the face of all its failures it has to rewrite history to fit in with its ongoing racial mobilisation.

    Do you guys remember that great old lady Ina Perlman and Operation Hunger? The Concert in the Park?

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Dmwangi
    March 18, 2012 at 21:47 pm

    Dm,

    “Please explain how I lost that bet?”

    Don’t be a sore loser.

    You lost – so pay up!

  • Dmwangi

    @Brett:

    That is so delusional it’s almost laughable.

    Yes, there are many admirable white people. There are also those who colonised, degraded and used others for chattel slavery. Whites are not a race of saints, my friends. You’re making that point nicely.

  • Brett Nortje

    OK, so contest the facts.

    What are the facts you have about South African charities before 1994?

  • Dmwangi

    Brett:

    I know you’re simple but history is complex. One side is never entirely evil and the other side is never completely virtuous.

    There were/are many good and bad white ppl as is true of blacks, Jews, Indians, 1930′s Germans, etc.

    Whites are neither the saving race or a bunch of devils. They’re just ppl.

    One needn’t operate a formal charity to be charitable. Blacks commit charitable acts of Ubuntu and neighborliness all the time. It’s only your myopia that makes you believe one has to run an NGO to be charitable.

  • Dmwangi

    And where exactly were the pre-1994 blacks in chattel bondage supposed to get the resources to start these charities????

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Dmwangi
    March 18, 2012 at 22:31 pm

    Dm,

    “One side is never entirely evil and the other side is never completely virtuous.”

    There are always exceptions which proves the rule, ne!

    “Rent-seeking Indians” in Uganda were entirely evil and Idi Amin was completely virtuous!

    p.s. “Blacks commit charitable acts of Ubuntu and neighborliness all the time.”

    Indeed it is true – we should post some examples. There are many.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Maggs, stop hounding Dmwangi now.

    I have decided to release him from the wager and use the funds to hire new caterers for my Winter School. (This year, we are hiring “on merit” only; quite a few people missed afternoon sessions last year, thanks to cramping.)

    WDYS?

  • Brett Nortje

    Dmwangi says:
    March 18, 2012 at 22:31 pm

    LOL! You silly deflector you. Facts?

  • Brett Nortje

    Dmwangi says:
    March 18, 2012 at 22:33 pm

    The wealthy Mwangi family and other benefactors from the countries to the North of us?

  • Brett Nortje

    Dmwangi says:
    March 18, 2012 at 22:31 pm

    Hey, about the complexities of history?

    Here are some facts from one of Pierre’s earlier blogs. Excerpt from the ‘Opening Pandora’s Box’ series:

    Blacks had the highest literary standards and the highest life standard of all the blacks in Africa.

    How was it at all possible for Tutu to study and become a teacher just ike his father was? How did Nelson Mandela and countless other blacks managed to become lawyers during Apartheid South Africa?

    The Apartheid government built ten Universities for blacks including Medunsa which is a unique medical university that turned out 200 highly qualified black
    doctors every year all at state costs, paid for by the white taxpayers. It also trained paramedics and nurses.

    Since 1970 the budget for black education was raised by about 30% per year every year. More than any other government department. In the period 1955 -1984 the amount of black school students increased 31 times from 35,000 to 1,096 000. 65% of black South African children were at school compared to Egypt 64%, Nigeria 57%, Ghana 52%, Tanzania 50% and Ethiopia 29%.

    Amongst the adults of South Africa, 71% could read and write (80% between the ages 12 and 22).

    Compare this to Kenya 47%, Egypt 38%, Nigeria 34% and Mozambique at 26%. In South Africa, the whites built 15 new classrooms for blacks every working day, every year. At 40 children per class it meant space for an additional 600 black
    students every day!!! In 1985 there were 42,000 Blacks at 5 universities in South Africa, about the same amount at the universities of the homelands.

    In an article called “Die Afrikaner” 11 Feb 1987, the quarterly magazine called “Vox Africana Nr 29 4/87 stated that, South Africa had 4,8 million whites and 18,2 million blacks in 1987. The whites paid 77% of the taxes and the blacks only 15%…despite this…56% of the government budget was spent on blacks.

    During the time of Dr. Verwoerd, the living standards of Blacks were rising at 5,4% per year against that of the whites at 3,9% per year. In 1965 the economic growth of South Africa was the second highest in the world at 7, 9%. The rate of inflation was a mere 2% per annum and the prime interest rate only 3% per annum. Domestic savings were so great that South Africa needed no foreign loans for normal economic expansion. Even Lord Deedes admitted, “White South Africa grew to become the economic giant of the continent, the other members of the Commonwealth virtually sank into poverty.”

    At the hight of Apartheid in 1978 Soweto had 115 football fields, 3 Rugby fields, 4 athletic tracks, 11 Cricket fields, 2 Golf courses, 47 Tennis courts, 7 swimming pools built to O lympic standards, 5 Bowling alleys, 81 Netball fields, 39 children play parks, and countless civic halls, movie houses and clubhouses.
    In addition to this, Soweto had 300 churches, 365 schools, 2 Technical Colleges, 8 clinics, 63 child day care centres, 11 Post Offices, and its own fruit and vegetable market. There were 2300 registered companies that belonged to black businessmen, about 1000 private taxi companies. 3% of the 50,000 vehicle owners in 1978 were Mercedes Benz owners. Soweto alone had more cars, taxis, schools, churches and sport facilities than most independent countries in Africa. The Blacks of South Africa had more private vehicles than the entire white population of the USSR at the time. Today Soweto has modern shopping malls like, Dobsonville Shopping Centre. In 2005 the Protea Gardens Mall opened. This was followed by the Baramall Shopping Centre and the Jabulani Shopping complex and the Maponya Mall. Experts say that Soweto has as much as 25% oversupply of retail space. The Canadian Medical Doctor, Dr Kenneth Walker wrote about Soweto, (I freely translate from “Verrat an Südafrika”, Klaus Vaque, 1987, pg 41) “In Soweto I saw many homes that costs about $100,000 (1978) and that had a BMW in the driveway. All houses are single storey. Many are recently painted. Many had flowerpots in the windows and lawn in the front. Only 2% were shacks. If I had the choice to live in Soweto or in the apartment dwellings or “Projects” of New York, Chicago, or Detroit where there is so much crime, then I would n ot hesitate for one moment and choose Soweto.”

    The biggest hospital in the world, Baragwaneth with 3200 beds and at its peak almost 8000 staff had 23 operation theatres fitted out with the most modern medical equipment that existed in the world. Blacks were treated here, operated on…at full state costs to the white-taxpayers for unlimited periods. The budget of
    this hospital was and is higher than the yearly budget of most small member states of the United Nations. Next door to Baragwaneth is the St. John’s Eye Clinic. The clinic is world famous for the treatment of Glaucoma, Cataracts, traumatic eye injuries and rare tropical diseases. All built and maintained by white taxpayer’s money for blacks. Baragwaneth in 1978 employed 450 medical doctors in full-time service. It treated 112 000 in-patients and 1.62 million out-patients per year. The children and infant death rate with 34.8 per 1000 was lower than Harlem in New York. In 1982 alone, this hospital performed 898 heart operations of world quality. Ironically…90% of the blood donors for this hospital were whites, who donated blood free of charge, totally voluntarily…to save black lives. (Quoted from The Citizen, 2 April 1987).

  • Dmwangi

    @Brett:

    Your arguments are laughably weak.

    By that logic, we should be telling the Syrians to quiet down because after all they have cell phones and are allowed to attend universities.

    If blacks have it so well, why don’t you move to Nyanga? At least then you’ll have some semblance of credibility to make pronouncements about the living standards of your fellow citizens. Until then, keep your delusions private.

  • Brett Nortje

    Facts, my dear Mwangi, facts…

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    March 19, 2012 at 3:02 am

    Dworky,

    “use the funds to hire new caterers”

    Hmmm – are you really expecting Dm to pay after he lost the bet?

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    The City of CT outdoes the CJ.

    It has also emerged that pastor Chris Oyakhilome, who is apparently worth some $50 million (R380m), was given a 75 percent discount by the city council on the stadium price because his Christ Embassy organisation is classifed as an NGO and is not “profit driven”.

    The pastor has previously faced fraud charges

    http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/western-cape/reports-of-second-death-at-healing-rally-1.1259145

  • Brett Nortje

    Interesting. A new perspective on the Lord Jesus’ riding into Jerusalem on a donkey when He could have chosen a gold chariot, with people lining the way with palm fronds and their cloaks.

    Maggs, does the article say anything about an inquest docket?

    Or does this go into the same file as babies being abandoned in incubators in a nurses’ strike, and 60 security guards being chucked off trains during a strike?

  • Dmwangi

    @Brett: Yep, some facts suggesting not all whites are enlightened, civilised creatures preparing for canonisation:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/110947.stm

    http://hrsbstaff.ednet.ns.ca/afergus/apartheid_statistics.htm

    http://www.justice.gov.za/trc/media/1998/9810/s981029g.htm

    But maybe I’m being reactionary. After all, according to Brett’s ‘facts,’ those benevolent white masters allowed blacks to have 81 netball courts at the height of apartheid!!! QED: things couldn’t have been so bad–lol.

  • Brett Nortje

    LOL! You’re trying to catch up when the final whistle has already blown.

    White South Africans did not twiddle their thumbs while 6 million black South Africans were infected with HIV, or ‘transform’ the administration of the criminal justice system to the point where a fraction of the families of 500 000 murder victims since 1994 had the closure of seeing the perpetrator of the murder of their loved one tried convicted and jailed.

    You chose to come here, warts and all, so FIFO.

    Why do you not give us a list of your good deeds to your own countrymen?

  • Dmwangi

    ‘You chose to come here, warts and all, so FIFO.

    Why do you not give us a list of your good deeds to your own countrymen?’

    1) Owning a home and operating a business subsidiary here hardly means I’ve emigrated. Check my passport.

    2) I’ve no quibbles with life here– post-apartheid. Sure as hell wouldn’t want to live here when whites were controlling the government.

    3) You’re confusing GDP with human dignity. Who cares if blacks SA had a higher GDP/capita than other Africans under apartheid if they had no political rights and could be killed with impunity. Libyans had a higher GDP/capita under Gaddafi than whites did under the apartheid regime. Does that mean whites were worse off under that form of government than Libyans under Gaddafi????

    4) You first. Ill tell you my good deeds if St. Brett tells us his.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Dmwangi

    “You’re confusing GDP with human dignity. Who cares if blacks SA had a higher GDP/capita than other Africans under apartheid if they had no political rights and could be killed with impunity”

    Dmwangi is right.

    On balance, I would rather see my children starve to death than face the risk that one day they will be killed by the police if they join the struggle.

    As the great Kwame said: “Rather starve on your feet than feast on your knees.”

    Thanks.

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    March 20, 2012 at 0:04 am

    Crap man, Dworky,

    “I would rather see my children starve to death”

    You would rather see other people’s children starve to death to perpetuate the myths of “ubuntu”, African unity wada wada wada while you show off about how smart, rich, comfortable you are.

    I know you’re lying when you say that you would actually let your own children be victims of the evil that you’re endorsing.

    WDYS?

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Maggs, I can only say that I am always pained by your LIBERAL AFRO-PESSIMISM. (You are a long-time subscriber to The Economist. Am I right?)

    The fact is the Dmwangi and I contribute more than just hot air to the world. We have built thriving business empires across the length and breadth of Africa (and, in my case, the Balkans). We bring DECENT JOBS to tens of thousands who would otherwise remain sunk in the mire of poverty. Did you know that Africa is the fastest-growing market in the world today?

    Thanks.

  • Maggs Naidu – maggsnaidu@hotmail.com

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    March 20, 2012 at 8:26 am

    Hey Dworky,

    It’s good that you employed a gardener – that’s one less unemployed person.

    But would you really let your own kid (Matilda) suffer from hunger, violence, brutality, rape, contagious illnesses, open toilets in Cape Town?

    I think you’re lying when you suggest that the brutal dictators across Africa or our Chief Justice really practice “ubuntu”.

  • ucal

    Wow. I enjoyed to read the story.

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