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		<title>By: Maggs Naidu</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/twenty-children-and-counting/#comment-24908</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggs Naidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 04:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett Nortje says:
February 5, 2010 at 20:59 pm

&quot;I could see the Christian parties were going to get caned – predicted they would months before the election. They ran shocking campaigns and were more occupied with infighting than the godless, shameless ANC and a disgraced candidate like JZ.&quot;

So it seems that your reckon that if the Christian parties got their act together, ran very good campaigns and stopped infighting, then they may trounce the ANC in the next election.

They had better get their act together - &quot;the godless, shameless ANC and a disgraced candidate like JZ&quot; deserves to get trounced at least once, before you know who comes back.

I would vote for them but as you know I am a Hindu, so they lose my vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett Nortje says:<br />
February 5, 2010 at 20:59 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;I could see the Christian parties were going to get caned – predicted they would months before the election. They ran shocking campaigns and were more occupied with infighting than the godless, shameless ANC and a disgraced candidate like JZ.&#8221;</p>
<p>So it seems that your reckon that if the Christian parties got their act together, ran very good campaigns and stopped infighting, then they may trounce the ANC in the next election.</p>
<p>They had better get their act together &#8211; &#8220;the godless, shameless ANC and a disgraced candidate like JZ&#8221; deserves to get trounced at least once, before you know who comes back.</p>
<p>I would vote for them but as you know I am a Hindu, so they lose my vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Nortje</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/twenty-children-and-counting/#comment-24905</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Nortje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHat a typo! I meant the ACDP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHat a typo! I meant the ACDP!</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Nortje</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/twenty-children-and-counting/#comment-24904</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Nortje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maggs, I&#039;ve never hidden the fact that I support the ADCP. 

Why? Surprised that I vote for a party with leaders and supporters that are, largely, black?

Well, seeing that you asked....You can hardly argue TMI!

I must tell you that in the last election I split my vote. I could see the Christian parties were going to get caned - predicted they would months before the election. They ran shocking campaigns and were more occupied with infighting than the godless, shameless ANC and a disgraced candidate like JZ.

The reason I split my vote though and tried to influence as many people as possible to do the same was that we had to return the FF&#039;s Pieter Groenewald to Parliament. There is an MP who understands his job. Parliamentary oversight! To a large extent questions he raised in Parliament ensured the easy victory in the JASA case in the Western Cape High Court - where the Minister of Police was ordered to start rolling out compensation for surrendered firearms. 

An order Nathi Mthethwa is thwarting, BTW. He is so poorly advised that he has not thought of the consequences of losing the next round of court battles. Traded his personal integrity for loyalty to his ANC predecessor who dropped him in this mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggs, I&#8217;ve never hidden the fact that I support the ADCP. </p>
<p>Why? Surprised that I vote for a party with leaders and supporters that are, largely, black?</p>
<p>Well, seeing that you asked&#8230;.You can hardly argue TMI!</p>
<p>I must tell you that in the last election I split my vote. I could see the Christian parties were going to get caned &#8211; predicted they would months before the election. They ran shocking campaigns and were more occupied with infighting than the godless, shameless ANC and a disgraced candidate like JZ.</p>
<p>The reason I split my vote though and tried to influence as many people as possible to do the same was that we had to return the FF&#8217;s Pieter Groenewald to Parliament. There is an MP who understands his job. Parliamentary oversight! To a large extent questions he raised in Parliament ensured the easy victory in the JASA case in the Western Cape High Court &#8211; where the Minister of Police was ordered to start rolling out compensation for surrendered firearms. </p>
<p>An order Nathi Mthethwa is thwarting, BTW. He is so poorly advised that he has not thought of the consequences of losing the next round of court battles. Traded his personal integrity for loyalty to his ANC predecessor who dropped him in this mess.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggs Naidu</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/twenty-children-and-counting/#comment-24903</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggs Naidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett Nortje says:
February 5, 2010 at 19:55 pm

Ok - I admit that you caught me out.

You&#039;re not really impressive, I threw that in as an extra.

BTW who do you support?

It&#039;s just interesting that while a lot of those who comment here are ready to challenge my support for the ANC, nobody is confident enough about their choice to be able to say it openly.

There&#039;s nothing to be ashamed of in supporting the losers :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett Nortje says:<br />
February 5, 2010 at 19:55 pm</p>
<p>Ok &#8211; I admit that you caught me out.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not really impressive, I threw that in as an extra.</p>
<p>BTW who do you support?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just interesting that while a lot of those who comment here are ready to challenge my support for the ANC, nobody is confident enough about their choice to be able to say it openly.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing to be ashamed of in supporting the losers <img src='http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brett Nortje</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/twenty-children-and-counting/#comment-24902</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Nortje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL! You&#039;re grasping, now, Maggs! Straw men nogal. Leigh is far too nice to you.

Why do you not just admit that there is no logical, intellectually defensible reason for anyone to vote for the ANC? Considering its track record and the class of people who represent it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! You&#8217;re grasping, now, Maggs! Straw men nogal. Leigh is far too nice to you.</p>
<p>Why do you not just admit that there is no logical, intellectually defensible reason for anyone to vote for the ANC? Considering its track record and the class of people who represent it?</p>
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		<title>By: Maggs Naidu</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/twenty-children-and-counting/#comment-24900</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggs Naidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 16:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett Nortje says:
February 5, 2010 at 16:50 pm
&quot;
Who here hoped against hope that the incredibly obtuse bordering on idiotic members of the National Assembly would see the obvious...

&quot;I know I did!&quot;

What can I say Brett - you&#039;re impressive

Well spotted.

You are clearly part of the elite &quot;incredibly obtuse bordering on idiotic&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett Nortje says:<br />
February 5, 2010 at 16:50 pm<br />
&#8221;<br />
Who here hoped against hope that the incredibly obtuse bordering on idiotic members of the National Assembly would see the obvious&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;I know I did!&#8221;</p>
<p>What can I say Brett &#8211; you&#8217;re impressive</p>
<p>Well spotted.</p>
<p>You are clearly part of the elite &#8220;incredibly obtuse bordering on idiotic&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett Nortje</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/twenty-children-and-counting/#comment-24897</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett Nortje</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike Jackson most of us (excluding Maggs) have those painful lessons cushioned a bit by virtue of the fact that we see the obvious coming and take evasive action.

Lets have a show of hands: Who here hoped against hope that the incredibly obtuse bordering on idiotic members of the National Assembly would see the obvious and that Kgalema Motlanthe would emerge from that secret ballot still President of the Republic?

I know I did! 

(Lets see: Jackson didn&#039;t....Maggs didn&#039;t...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike Jackson most of us (excluding Maggs) have those painful lessons cushioned a bit by virtue of the fact that we see the obvious coming and take evasive action.</p>
<p>Lets have a show of hands: Who here hoped against hope that the incredibly obtuse bordering on idiotic members of the National Assembly would see the obvious and that Kgalema Motlanthe would emerge from that secret ballot still President of the Republic?</p>
<p>I know I did! </p>
<p>(Lets see: Jackson didn&#8217;t&#8230;.Maggs didn&#8217;t&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Maggs Naidu</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/twenty-children-and-counting/#comment-24896</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggs Naidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 13:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that the ruckus is being taken into consideration :

&quot;Leave President Jacob Zuma and his family alone to &quot;reflect&quot; on the concerns expressed by South Africans over his love child with Sonono Khoza, the ANC urged on Friday.

&quot;This experience, painful as it is, has taught us many valuable lessons,&quot; said spokesman Jackson Mthembu in a statement.

&quot;We have noted all the concerns and criticism raised by many South Africans through the media and in private conversations.

&quot;Having listened to your views on this matter, we now make the appeal that the ANC, President Jacob Zuma, his family and children be afforded an opportunity to reflect on the concerns.&quot;

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&amp;click_id=13&amp;art_id=nw20100205155315144C969078&amp;page_number=1

A refreshing change from the initial tardy response!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that the ruckus is being taken into consideration :</p>
<p>&#8220;Leave President Jacob Zuma and his family alone to &#8220;reflect&#8221; on the concerns expressed by South Africans over his love child with Sonono Khoza, the ANC urged on Friday.</p>
<p>&#8220;This experience, painful as it is, has taught us many valuable lessons,&#8221; said spokesman Jackson Mthembu in a statement.</p>
<p>&#8220;We have noted all the concerns and criticism raised by many South Africans through the media and in private conversations.</p>
<p>&#8220;Having listened to your views on this matter, we now make the appeal that the ANC, President Jacob Zuma, his family and children be afforded an opportunity to reflect on the concerns.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&amp;click_id=13&amp;art_id=nw20100205155315144C969078&amp;page_number=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&amp;click_id=13&amp;art_id=nw20100205155315144C969078&amp;page_number=1</a></p>
<p>A refreshing change from the initial tardy response!</p>
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		<title>By: Maggs Naidu</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/twenty-children-and-counting/#comment-24865</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggs Naidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pierre De Vos says:
February 3, 2010 at 15:00 pm

&quot;Michael, I agree with you that an autonomy argument is the only one available to President Zuma and the ANC.&quot;

It seems that ordinary people are not buying that argument.

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2010-02-05-public-tide-turns-against-jz

Even Malema had this to say &quot;So far I think the ANC collective has done a great job. We should not isolate Zuma.”

It may turn out yet that when 65.9% of the voters said unconditional support that they did not quite mean unconditional!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pierre De Vos says:<br />
February 3, 2010 at 15:00 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;Michael, I agree with you that an autonomy argument is the only one available to President Zuma and the ANC.&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems that ordinary people are not buying that argument.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mg.co.za/article/2010-02-05-public-tide-turns-against-jz" rel="nofollow">http://www.mg.co.za/article/2010-02-05-public-tide-turns-against-jz</a></p>
<p>Even Malema had this to say &#8220;So far I think the ANC collective has done a great job. We should not isolate Zuma.”</p>
<p>It may turn out yet that when 65.9% of the voters said unconditional support that they did not quite mean unconditional!</p>
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		<title>By: andre</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/twenty-children-and-counting/#comment-24850</link>
		<dc:creator>andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>. . . like rands flowing through SARS, these are the days of his wives . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>. . . like rands flowing through SARS, these are the days of his wives . . .</p>
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