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		<title>By: Anonymouse</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/water-is-life-but-life-is-cheap/#comment-20416</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 09:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what a shortage of water also does - http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/ea9b18da5e6a4527a2ed804f3dcd170a/16-10-2009-09-52/Laywer_too_dirty_for_court</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what a shortage of water also does &#8211; <a href="http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/ea9b18da5e6a4527a2ed804f3dcd170a/16-10-2009-09-52/Laywer_too_dirty_for_court" rel="nofollow">http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/ea9b18da5e6a4527a2ed804f3dcd170a/16-10-2009-09-52/Laywer_too_dirty_for_court</a></p>
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		<title>By: AliBama</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/water-is-life-but-life-is-cheap/#comment-20402</link>
		<dc:creator>AliBama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ george
]Why don&#039;t you leave bantuland..business-interests preclude..?
Yes, I&#039;m trapped, so I&#039;ll enjoy the weather, but I&#039;d be a coward if I just watched
 the train-smash and didn&#039;t warn about Kenia&gt;Zambia&gt;Zimb.
Imagine how unpopular those were, who told that mortgageing your house for beer
 leads to disaster?
]SAP-syndicates running the taxi-industry..
Good ! That&#039;s a novel &quot;connection&quot; of an outdated allegation.
I&#039;m trying to untangle 4 independant myths:
1. Zanzi won&#039;t follow the Kenia&gt;Zambia&gt;Zimb route.
2. Zanzi is not constrained by economic realities.
3. Zanzi can make socialism work, whereas it has always failed elesewhere.
4. The liberal-blankes understand the bantu, because they were born here,
   altho&#039; I never see them when I &quot;ry the taxis&quot;.
Apparently there&#039;s some truth in the old cliche &quot;too ghastly to contemplate&quot;?
So, then just deny it ! How else could I explain that the blankes refuse to
&quot;look outside of the box&quot; in space and time: Plato, Albert Schweitzer, Haiti...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ george<br />
]Why don&#8217;t you leave bantuland..business-interests preclude..?<br />
Yes, I&#8217;m trapped, so I&#8217;ll enjoy the weather, but I&#8217;d be a coward if I just watched<br />
 the train-smash and didn&#8217;t warn about Kenia&gt;Zambia&gt;Zimb.<br />
Imagine how unpopular those were, who told that mortgageing your house for beer<br />
 leads to disaster?<br />
]SAP-syndicates running the taxi-industry..<br />
Good ! That&#8217;s a novel &#8220;connection&#8221; of an outdated allegation.<br />
I&#8217;m trying to untangle 4 independant myths:<br />
1. Zanzi won&#8217;t follow the Kenia&gt;Zambia&gt;Zimb route.<br />
2. Zanzi is not constrained by economic realities.<br />
3. Zanzi can make socialism work, whereas it has always failed elesewhere.<br />
4. The liberal-blankes understand the bantu, because they were born here,<br />
   altho&#8217; I never see them when I &#8220;ry the taxis&#8221;.<br />
Apparently there&#8217;s some truth in the old cliche &#8220;too ghastly to contemplate&#8221;?<br />
So, then just deny it ! How else could I explain that the blankes refuse to<br />
&#8220;look outside of the box&#8221; in space and time: Plato, Albert Schweitzer, Haiti&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: george</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/water-is-life-but-life-is-cheap/#comment-20400</link>
		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Alibama

Why don&#039;t you turn your ship around, and leave &#039;bantuland&#039; forever?? Two birds with one stone: rewrite the lyrics of your song, whilst rewriting your personal destiny? Or do your business-interests preclude you from following that option?? .... I gather that you&#039;re a member of one of the SAP-syndicates running the taxi-industry in this country??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Alibama</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you turn your ship around, and leave &#8216;bantuland&#8217; forever?? Two birds with one stone: rewrite the lyrics of your song, whilst rewriting your personal destiny? Or do your business-interests preclude you from following that option?? &#8230;. I gather that you&#8217;re a member of one of the SAP-syndicates running the taxi-industry in this country??</p>
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		<title>By: Maggs Naidu</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/water-is-life-but-life-is-cheap/#comment-20399</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggs Naidu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dwork,

I hope you get it - it will serve you right for asking!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dwork,</p>
<p>I hope you get it &#8211; it will serve you right for asking!</p>
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		<title>By: Mikhaik Dworkin Fassbinder</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/water-is-life-but-life-is-cheap/#comment-20395</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikhaik Dworkin Fassbinder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Alibama


Please do let us know when your Phd thesis is published.  Will it be on the web? (It sounds very good!)

Do you perhaps have an abstract - something to &quot;wet the appetite&quot;, as they say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Alibama</p>
<p>Please do let us know when your Phd thesis is published.  Will it be on the web? (It sounds very good!)</p>
<p>Do you perhaps have an abstract &#8211; something to &#8220;wet the appetite&#8221;, as they say?</p>
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		<title>By: Alibama</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/water-is-life-but-life-is-cheap/#comment-20394</link>
		<dc:creator>Alibama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 17:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t talk about right-to-free-water [in water scarce africa] and ignore the
recent rioting for free [illegaly connectable] electricity too.
SA liberal blankes are amazing, in never noting that Zim-natives would NEVER
claim that they are entitled to free delivered-water and electricity; except
from public rivers. But then the PeeCee wave, and false ANC promises missed Zim.
-- I&#039;ve made a study of the bantu-and-warm-water and may publish a PhD on it later:
why they will use the hot tap for a bucket of water to mop the floor, when I still
have to remember being a cold, hungry student in 60&#039;s London, who had to ration
9-pence between a cheese sandwich or a coins-in-the-gas-meter hot bath.
-- Traditionally the bantu heats a bucket of water which is added to the portable
tin-basin by the &#039;juniors&#039; who prepare the washing facilities for us seniors.
Heating the water requires effort, by collecting the wood etc; so when the
bantu finds warm-water that just comes out of the pipe FREE, he would be sinning
by ingoring the gifts-of-god by using cold water -- unheated by electricity
that the muzungu has to pay for.
-- The ANC scheme of 6kl per [unmeasurable] household is a classical example of
why socialism MUST fail. The &#039;taxi industry&#039; is an example of african commerce
which doesn&#039;t fail.  An essential element of successful african commerce/industry
is micro-management, at all stages, vs. centralised control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t talk about right-to-free-water [in water scarce africa] and ignore the<br />
recent rioting for free [illegaly connectable] electricity too.<br />
SA liberal blankes are amazing, in never noting that Zim-natives would NEVER<br />
claim that they are entitled to free delivered-water and electricity; except<br />
from public rivers. But then the PeeCee wave, and false ANC promises missed Zim.<br />
&#8211; I&#8217;ve made a study of the bantu-and-warm-water and may publish a PhD on it later:<br />
why they will use the hot tap for a bucket of water to mop the floor, when I still<br />
have to remember being a cold, hungry student in 60&#8217;s London, who had to ration<br />
9-pence between a cheese sandwich or a coins-in-the-gas-meter hot bath.<br />
&#8211; Traditionally the bantu heats a bucket of water which is added to the portable<br />
tin-basin by the &#8216;juniors&#8217; who prepare the washing facilities for us seniors.<br />
Heating the water requires effort, by collecting the wood etc; so when the<br />
bantu finds warm-water that just comes out of the pipe FREE, he would be sinning<br />
by ingoring the gifts-of-god by using cold water &#8212; unheated by electricity<br />
that the muzungu has to pay for.<br />
&#8211; The ANC scheme of 6kl per [unmeasurable] household is a classical example of<br />
why socialism MUST fail. The &#8216;taxi industry&#8217; is an example of african commerce<br />
which doesn&#8217;t fail.  An essential element of successful african commerce/industry<br />
is micro-management, at all stages, vs. centralised control.</p>
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		<title>By: khosi</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/water-is-life-but-life-is-cheap/#comment-20386</link>
		<dc:creator>khosi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anonymouse,

On the shoes story, you are really being disingenuous and frankly, clutching at straws. One, has Aggliotti testified that TM did, in fact, get the shoes? Two, If TM did get the shoes, what did TM know of the origin of the shoes? Three, Aggliotti says he merely paid for the shoes, and not knowing the answer to question one or two, what would be wrong if Selebi did, in fact, buy Mbeki a pair of anything?

Rat, remember that I have never tried to defend Selebi or pronounce his innocent. All I have done, for the past two years, is to tell you that nothing was ever presented to TM that was legally credible enough for him to suspend, let alone fire Selebi. With that in mind, he further let the law take its own course and allowed Pikoli to do what was within his mandate. With one proviso, and that was that he(Pikoli) needed to give TM enough space to ensure the countries national security is not compromised by Pikolis action, which now appear to have been clearly, careless. I have always asked the question, why was a week so looooooong for Pikoli.

Lastly, given the happenings of the last few days, do you still think Mbeki was incorrect in setting up the Ginwala commission?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anonymouse,</p>
<p>On the shoes story, you are really being disingenuous and frankly, clutching at straws. One, has Aggliotti testified that TM did, in fact, get the shoes? Two, If TM did get the shoes, what did TM know of the origin of the shoes? Three, Aggliotti says he merely paid for the shoes, and not knowing the answer to question one or two, what would be wrong if Selebi did, in fact, buy Mbeki a pair of anything?</p>
<p>Rat, remember that I have never tried to defend Selebi or pronounce his innocent. All I have done, for the past two years, is to tell you that nothing was ever presented to TM that was legally credible enough for him to suspend, let alone fire Selebi. With that in mind, he further let the law take its own course and allowed Pikoli to do what was within his mandate. With one proviso, and that was that he(Pikoli) needed to give TM enough space to ensure the countries national security is not compromised by Pikolis action, which now appear to have been clearly, careless. I have always asked the question, why was a week so looooooong for Pikoli.</p>
<p>Lastly, given the happenings of the last few days, do you still think Mbeki was incorrect in setting up the Ginwala commission?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymouse</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/water-is-life-but-life-is-cheap/#comment-20383</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, now I get it - he was afraid that if the video was disclosed he would not be able to receive indemnity in terms of s 204 of the CPA, which the court (presiding officer) would only grant if the court is satisfied that he earnestly and honestly answered all questions, even those through which he would incriminate himself. http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/8408e601327f4b59929ef11811d5c68d/15-10-2009-02-34/Scorpions_obsessed_with_Selebi

Poor UglyCoyote, in the RS of A, everyone with even a peripheral idea of the law knows that the NPA cannot really &#039;offer&#039; one indemnity, the indemnity or not lies in the discretion of the court. He may now be prosecuted for the things he was afarid of.

But still, such a thug for a friend?! 

Oops - I am under the wrong thread with these remarks. Sorry, I got carried away with Khosi&#039;s invitation at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, now I get it &#8211; he was afraid that if the video was disclosed he would not be able to receive indemnity in terms of s 204 of the CPA, which the court (presiding officer) would only grant if the court is satisfied that he earnestly and honestly answered all questions, even those through which he would incriminate himself. <a href="http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/8408e601327f4b59929ef11811d5c68d/15-10-2009-02-34/Scorpions_obsessed_with_Selebi" rel="nofollow">http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/8408e601327f4b59929ef11811d5c68d/15-10-2009-02-34/Scorpions_obsessed_with_Selebi</a></p>
<p>Poor UglyCoyote, in the RS of A, everyone with even a peripheral idea of the law knows that the NPA cannot really &#8216;offer&#8217; one indemnity, the indemnity or not lies in the discretion of the court. He may now be prosecuted for the things he was afarid of.</p>
<p>But still, such a thug for a friend?! </p>
<p>Oops &#8211; I am under the wrong thread with these remarks. Sorry, I got carried away with Khosi&#8217;s invitation at it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>khosi - Ooh! This is going to be fun!! http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/387318c42be34151aa23073ae5ab8dae/15-10-2009-01-07/Agliotti_video_admitted
I wonder who else Agliotti mentioned in that video, whether that is not the reason why TM wanted to say that there is no evidence that Selebi had accepted expensive gifts and large sums of money from a super-crook called Glen Agliotti? As I have said before - I don&#039;t give a damn whether Selebi is convicted or not, but I want to know why, a police chief, had a super-scoundrell as friend and received gifts from him, and why would a President want to keep scrutiny of that relationship out of the public domain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>khosi &#8211; Ooh! This is going to be fun!! <a href="http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/387318c42be34151aa23073ae5ab8dae/15-10-2009-01-07/Agliotti_video_admitted" rel="nofollow">http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/387318c42be34151aa23073ae5ab8dae/15-10-2009-01-07/Agliotti_video_admitted</a><br />
I wonder who else Agliotti mentioned in that video, whether that is not the reason why TM wanted to say that there is no evidence that Selebi had accepted expensive gifts and large sums of money from a super-crook called Glen Agliotti? As I have said before &#8211; I don&#8217;t give a damn whether Selebi is convicted or not, but I want to know why, a police chief, had a super-scoundrell as friend and received gifts from him, and why would a President want to keep scrutiny of that relationship out of the public domain.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymouse</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/water-is-life-but-life-is-cheap/#comment-20374</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>khosi - Earlier, under another post more to the point, I asked you the question. I&#039;m not sure whether you&#039;ve seen it or whether you responded as I have not revisited it. I think I asked you, in the light of Agliotti&#039;s evidence in chief that he had bought TM a pair of expensive shoes at Gray&#039;s (while Selebi was present!), whether that was the time that TM said that he would not want to step into (or does not want to be seen wearing) Nelson Mandela&#039;s shoes, &quot;because they are too ugly&quot;. (Note that Jaap Cilliers has not denied that particular piece of evidence - so TM was a friend of Agliotti too?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>khosi &#8211; Earlier, under another post more to the point, I asked you the question. I&#8217;m not sure whether you&#8217;ve seen it or whether you responded as I have not revisited it. I think I asked you, in the light of Agliotti&#8217;s evidence in chief that he had bought TM a pair of expensive shoes at Gray&#8217;s (while Selebi was present!), whether that was the time that TM said that he would not want to step into (or does not want to be seen wearing) Nelson Mandela&#8217;s shoes, &#8220;because they are too ugly&#8221;. (Note that Jaap Cilliers has not denied that particular piece of evidence &#8211; so TM was a friend of Agliotti too?)</p>
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