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	<description>This blog deals with political and social issues in South Africa, mostly from the perspective of Constitutional Law. Written by Pierre de Vos</description>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/well-done-anc-now-get-rid-of-travelgate-crooks/#comment-19758</link>
		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 06:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might be interesting to read what the DA have to say about the ANC&#039;s response to Travelgate.  They actually provide concrete examples of &quot;How the ANC rewards Travelgate guilty&quot;.  Unfortunately, Prof, I don&#039;t think anything will be done to these people - as usual.

http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71654?oid=145083&amp;sn=Detail</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be interesting to read what the DA have to say about the ANC&#8217;s response to Travelgate.  They actually provide concrete examples of &#8220;How the ANC rewards Travelgate guilty&#8221;.  Unfortunately, Prof, I don&#8217;t think anything will be done to these people &#8211; as usual.</p>
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		<title>By: sirjay jonson</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/well-done-anc-now-get-rid-of-travelgate-crooks/#comment-19740</link>
		<dc:creator>sirjay jonson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 15:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure Prof why so few comments this time, perhaps the good weather.

While we deal with all these political and judicial concerns, life goes on, as always, the human experience being most important.

This week a family member passed away quite unexpectedly, fortunately not violently, an unexpected heart attack in his late 30&#039;s.  The day before he sent a sm to his wife as follows, only knowing he was feeling strange:  apologies for the afrikaans on your english blog.

Die lewe is kort – leef dit.
Liefde is mooi – voel dit.
Kwaad wees is lelik – los dit
Probleme is tydelik – aanvaar dit.
Herinneringe is vir altyd – bewaar dit.
Jy is spesiaal –onthou dit.

Life goes on while we have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure Prof why so few comments this time, perhaps the good weather.</p>
<p>While we deal with all these political and judicial concerns, life goes on, as always, the human experience being most important.</p>
<p>This week a family member passed away quite unexpectedly, fortunately not violently, an unexpected heart attack in his late 30&#8242;s.  The day before he sent a sm to his wife as follows, only knowing he was feeling strange:  apologies for the afrikaans on your english blog.</p>
<p>Die lewe is kort – leef dit.<br />
Liefde is mooi – voel dit.<br />
Kwaad wees is lelik – los dit<br />
Probleme is tydelik – aanvaar dit.<br />
Herinneringe is vir altyd – bewaar dit.<br />
Jy is spesiaal –onthou dit.</p>
<p>Life goes on while we have it.</p>
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		<title>By: sirjay jonson</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/well-done-anc-now-get-rid-of-travelgate-crooks/#comment-19730</link>
		<dc:creator>sirjay jonson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JZ must be somewhat uncomfortable with the CNN interview available on your Seminar page. A miracle would be if our honorable (sic) president was to have a Damascus enlightenment.  Imagine, being in the position of President, the power not just to enrich oneself and one&#039;s sycophants, but to actually create something marvelous, to establish himself as a true giant, someone totally committed to uplifting not only his people but our country, even the Continent.  

What an opportunity he has... if only...

I lilke the term Participatory Democracy, one I am familiar with but hear little of, like that golden but underused behaviour, &#039;ethics&#039;.  Perhaps we should begin to put emphasis on this term &#039;Particiipatory Democracy&#039;, and apply pressure on government to further it.  It could be a true breaking point.  First, understanding via group think, then action.  Lets demand &#039;Participatory&#039;.  We could label it PD.

JZ and his boys and girls will still get richer and richer, but perhaps those of us who are concerned , and if I may say, clear thinking South Africans, can also get something we need. Responsibility, honesty, service delivery and tax dollars well spent.

The dream is harmony, the dream is upliftment... why can&#039;t we have it?  There are no limits to the possibililties. Forward to strategy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JZ must be somewhat uncomfortable with the CNN interview available on your Seminar page. A miracle would be if our honorable (sic) president was to have a Damascus enlightenment.  Imagine, being in the position of President, the power not just to enrich oneself and one&#8217;s sycophants, but to actually create something marvelous, to establish himself as a true giant, someone totally committed to uplifting not only his people but our country, even the Continent.  </p>
<p>What an opportunity he has&#8230; if only&#8230;</p>
<p>I lilke the term Participatory Democracy, one I am familiar with but hear little of, like that golden but underused behaviour, &#8216;ethics&#8217;.  Perhaps we should begin to put emphasis on this term &#8216;Particiipatory Democracy&#8217;, and apply pressure on government to further it.  It could be a true breaking point.  First, understanding via group think, then action.  Lets demand &#8216;Participatory&#8217;.  We could label it PD.</p>
<p>JZ and his boys and girls will still get richer and richer, but perhaps those of us who are concerned , and if I may say, clear thinking South Africans, can also get something we need. Responsibility, honesty, service delivery and tax dollars well spent.</p>
<p>The dream is harmony, the dream is upliftment&#8230; why can&#8217;t we have it?  There are no limits to the possibililties. Forward to strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: The Big Slipper</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/well-done-anc-now-get-rid-of-travelgate-crooks/#comment-19729</link>
		<dc:creator>The Big Slipper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know for sure, but the ANC seems to have a fairly haphazard policy on who gets prosecuted and who doesn&#039;t. This guy committed fraud, and now he&#039;s being investigated with a view to possible sanctions and removal. But on the other hand, somebody like Booi is protected, even though he&#039;s been found guilty of theft (which in his case also amounts to a breach of fiduciary duty).

Ministers buy R1m cars (sometimes two at a time) and they&#039;re completely off the hook, but municipal managers and finance officers are suddenly being fired all over the show for fruitless and wasteful and unauthorised expenditures.

It seems that the only reasonable explanation for this is that it depends who you know and what you know about them as to your survival. Mr Municipal Manager in some rural area probably doesn&#039;t know quite as much about JZ and the Arms Deal as somebody who has been sitting close by all the time. Therefore one is expendable and one isn&#039;t.

That&#039;s why, with respect Prof, this doesn&#039;t impress me in the least. Censuring a potential human rights commissioner doesn&#039;t send nearly as much of a message as firing a dishonest uncaring crooked politician like Booi would. The ANC is still simply window dressing - throwing a few unimportant people under the bus to make it look like they&#039;re addressing corruption, all the while hoping to mask the fact that they&#039;re only dealing with those who are not part of the inner circle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know for sure, but the ANC seems to have a fairly haphazard policy on who gets prosecuted and who doesn&#8217;t. This guy committed fraud, and now he&#8217;s being investigated with a view to possible sanctions and removal. But on the other hand, somebody like Booi is protected, even though he&#8217;s been found guilty of theft (which in his case also amounts to a breach of fiduciary duty).</p>
<p>Ministers buy R1m cars (sometimes two at a time) and they&#8217;re completely off the hook, but municipal managers and finance officers are suddenly being fired all over the show for fruitless and wasteful and unauthorised expenditures.</p>
<p>It seems that the only reasonable explanation for this is that it depends who you know and what you know about them as to your survival. Mr Municipal Manager in some rural area probably doesn&#8217;t know quite as much about JZ and the Arms Deal as somebody who has been sitting close by all the time. Therefore one is expendable and one isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why, with respect Prof, this doesn&#8217;t impress me in the least. Censuring a potential human rights commissioner doesn&#8217;t send nearly as much of a message as firing a dishonest uncaring crooked politician like Booi would. The ANC is still simply window dressing &#8211; throwing a few unimportant people under the bus to make it look like they&#8217;re addressing corruption, all the while hoping to mask the fact that they&#8217;re only dealing with those who are not part of the inner circle.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/well-done-anc-now-get-rid-of-travelgate-crooks/#comment-19728</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mo Shaik, head of the Gambino family, is appointed head of the SS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mo Shaik, head of the Gambino family, is appointed head of the SS!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/well-done-anc-now-get-rid-of-travelgate-crooks/#comment-19727</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 12:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What is a hermaphrodite?  We don&#039;t know a thing called hermaphrodite and as a result we will never discriminate . . . What is a hermaphrodite in Pedi?   It&#039;s an imperialist concept. because you&#039;re either a girl or a boy.&quot;

- J. Malema, Oct 1, 2009.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What is a hermaphrodite?  We don&#8217;t know a thing called hermaphrodite and as a result we will never discriminate . . . What is a hermaphrodite in Pedi?   It&#8217;s an imperialist concept. because you&#8217;re either a girl or a boy.&#8221;</p>
<p>- J. Malema, Oct 1, 2009.</p>
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		<title>By: khosi</title>
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		<dc:creator>khosi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 11:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, well!</p>
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