Constitutional Hill

What can be done about Nkandlagate?

Is Public Works Minister Thulas Nxesi a secret admirer of Albert Einstein? Einstein once remarked that: “When I examine myself and my methods of thought, I come to the conclusion that the gift of fantasy has meant more to me than any talent for abstract, positive thinking.” It can only be the “gift of fantasy” sustaining the Minister in his belief that the R250 million “security” renovation at President Zuma’s private home at Nkandla was authorised by the Ministerial Handbook.

In a letter to Corruption Watch, the Minister again claims that the renovation at President Zuma’s private home (which may or may not be called a compound) was “in line with the Ministerial Handbook”. He concedes that — as I have pointed out before – Annexure E to the Handbook limits the state contribution to security upgrades at the private homes of public office bearers to R100 000.

But the Minister is not one to let mere facts come in the way of justifying the unlawful expenditure on his boss’s private crib (also sometimes — but never on the SABC – called a compound). As the Minister informed Corruption Watch:

It should be noted that the residence in question is a private residence but is also used for official purposes. The Annexure E as referred to by your so-called ‘constitutional expert’ refers to private residences of office bearers that are used for private purposes only. The residence in question is used for both private and official purposes.

There are several fatal problems with this explanation. (Hint: it is untrue.)

First, there is no evidence that Nkandla has ever been used for official purposes. As far as I am aware, no head of state has ever been entertained at Nkandla. (However, now would be a good time to tell us whether any very rich and generous foreign leaders – Dos Santos from Angola, Gaddafi from Libya? — have secretly visited Nkandla). When was Nkandla ever used for official purposes, why were we never told about these official visits and why was one of the President’s three official state residences in Cape Town, Pretoria and Durban not used for such purposes?

Second, the Ministerial Handbook obviously does not allow Nkandla to be used for official purposes. It is true that an office bearer (like the President) can designate either a privately owned residence or a State-owned residence as his or her official residence. However, Section 1.2 of Chapter 4 of the Ministerial Handbook states that only a residence at the seat of office (which would be in Pretoria and Cape Town) could be designated as an official residence. One cannot designate one’s private residence as an official residence if that residence is not situated in Pretoria or Cape Town. If a Minister had a private home in, say, Paris or in the Cayman islands, that home could not be designated as an official residence.

Furthermore, one cannot designate several private residences as official residences. This would allow cabinet ministers so “double-dip” as the state would have to pay for security and some of the upkeep at all the residences designated as official residences. The Handbook is rather emphatic about the fact that one has a choice: one cannot designate a private residence as an official residence if one already has a state owned official residence in that city.

One official residence “at the seat of office” is all that the Ministerial Handbook allows. To hold otherwise would mean that any member of cabinet could buy several houses in various parts of the country (or elsewhere in the world – Switzerland, maybe?) and then designate all these houses as official residences so that the state could pick up the tab for security improvements as well as for certain costs associated with its upkeep. Not even the Ministerial Handbook allows for such outrages looting of public funds.

Minister Nxesi’s claim that Nkandla is being used for official purposes — if true — would therefore serve as an admission that the President is in breach of the Ministerial Handbook. If he has indeed used his Nkandla home as an official residence despite the fact that it is not situated in either Pretoria or Cape Town and despite the fact that he has state-owned official residences in these two capitals, the President would be in breach of the Handbook. (However, I will assume for present purposes that the President is not in breach of the Handbook because the Minister’s claim is not true.)

Third, the prohibition on the spending of more than R100 000 on security upgrades of an official residence actually refers to a privately owned residence designated as an official residence. This means that even if Nkandla were designated as an official residence (which would not be allowed), Annexure E to the Handbook would limit the cost of security upgrades at Nkandla to R100 000. Section 2.2 of Chapter 4 of the Ministerial Handbook makes this crystal clear (although it refers to a cabinet decision now superseded by the decision contained in Annexure E). The Minister is being less than truthful when he claims otherwise.

So, what can be done about this flagrant abuse of public funds? Can something be done to hold anyone responsible for the use of public funds to enrich the President? Here are some ideas.

One can request the Minister of Defence to provide us with information about which sites have been declared National Key Points, what set of criteria (if any) had been used when making these declarations and whether these criteria made a distinction between private property and property owned or leased by the state. One could also request information from the Minister about the Special Account for the Safeguarding of National Key Points, whether money is allocated to it every year and how much have been disbursed from this fund over the past five years. The request will probably be denied after which one could obtain a court order to force the revelation of this information. It would be interesting to see which National Key Point declarations were retained from the apartheid era.

One could challenge the constitutionality of several aspects of the National Key Points Act. As I have argued before, the fact that the Act creates criminal offences regarding National Key Points, but allows the Minister the discretion to decide what these Key Points are and does not require the Minister to make this public, almost certainly renders the Act unconstitutional.

One could approach a court and ask it to declare that the Nkandla upgrade was not authorised by the Ministerial Handbook as alleged, that the decision to allocate money to this project based on the Ministerial Handbook was therefore unlawful and/or irrational and/or in bad faith and to order the Minister to repay the wasted funds. The exercise of public power — including the allocation of resources — has to be authorised by law and has to be rational. Where the Minister allocated R250 million to a project based on the fantasy that the Ministerial Handbook authorised this (when it authorises the spending of only R100 000), the allocation cannot be said to be lawful.

It is also irrational because the Minister claims that the purpose of the spending was to improve security for the President at a private home used as an official home. But Nkandla is not a private home used as an official residence, so there is no rational relationship between the purpose of providing security at an official residence and the spending to upgrade the private home of the President. Nkandla being a private home (one that is not and cannot legally be designated an official residence), the spending of R250 million on security upgrades to protect the home used as an official residence is completely irrational.

If the State had spent R250 million to upgrade one of the President’s official residences, many of us would have been deeply upset about this scandalous waste of public funds, but legally we would probably not have had a leg to stand on. But because Zuma has three official residences where the President can receive any dignitary on official business, there are no rational legal grounds to waste this money on Nkandla and enrich the President and his family in the process. (And if the President is scared of a citizens uprising, he would have to build a bunker at an official residence, not at his private home.) And, ironically, the fact that the Minister of Public Works continues to cling to the fantasy that the Ministerial Handbook authorises this waste of public funds, would make it far easier to challenge his decision to allocate this money in court as the justification is so clearly false.

And when the courts make such a finding — on sound legal grounds — it would actually have the added benefit of enhancing the standing of the judiciary in the eyes of ordinary citizens who cannot understand that our government took until October this year to deliver textbooks to children in Polokwane, while it was far more efficient in wasting billions of Rand on improving Ministerial Homes and the private residence of a politician who could (theoretically, at least) be voted out of office at the next election.

  • https://twitter.com/maggsnaidu Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    Mac Maharaj will be up in arms over 6.7 – “Security COMPOUND”!

  • Lesego Boikanyo

    Nxesi knows there is nothing in the legislation that legitimises the expenditure on JZs compound (Mac can throw his toys out of the cot, I’ll continue to call it a compound). Thulas can huff and puff all he wants, this is a blunder and he knows it.

  • Lesiba

    The Government is banking on no one taking it to court over this scandal, that is why they’re giving out irrational explanations in trying to justify this corruption.

    We have already seen that this Government doesn’t care about “public pressure” against them as they’re mindset is that they will be voted back to power in the next elections anyway. Unfortunately, most citizens in this country will not solely use this scandal as a basis not to vote for the ANC in the next elections… and the ANC knows this.

    The only way forward is for the Government to be taken to court over this matter. As usual the judiciary is the only tool we have left, at our disposal, to counter the Government’s corruption.

  • Zoo Keeper

    Only if the ANC is voted out will anything happen.

    Until then, I think JR will sum it up best as he always does.

  • Blue Ozone

    “One could approach a court and ask it to declare that the Nkandla upgrade was not authorised by the Ministerial Handbook as alleged, that the decision to allocate money to this project based on the Ministerial Handbook was therefore unlawful and/or irrational and/or in bad faith and to order the Minister to repay the wasted funds.”

    So why don’t you and/or the DA just do it and then we can all stop “speculating” about it and finally lay the matter to rest. Or is that not how propaganda works?

  • Blue Ozone

    It was the same with the arms deal. Ngcuka apparently had all the evidence but he decided rather not to press chargers against Zuma. Until today nobody knows or can tell me why. If it wasn’t for that Zuma could have been in the tjoekie and released on medical parole long, long time ago.

    It is like those James Bond movies, instead of just shooting the bastard they keep on trying to kill him slowly and then eventually he one again escapes to kill the head honcho and cause many more [similar] troubles for all the bad guys in the next movie.

  • Refiloe

    What I would like to know is in terms of which legislation or law are security upgrades allowed at former Presidents Mandela and Mbeki’s residences? Qunu, like Nkandla, is in neither Pretoria or Cape Town. And the upgrades to these residences were also considerably above the R100 000 threshold, how was this justified?

  • george richard cunning

    Your opening remarks made me howl with laughter and I believe Monty Python would have paid you handsomely for the score. Thanks!

  • Chris (Not the right wing guy)

    “If the State had spent R250 million to upgrade one of the President’s official residences, many of us would have been deeply upset about this scandalous waste of public funds . . . ”

    LOL, perhaps not R250 million, but how about R192 million?

    “According to submissions by the public works department:
    – R404m is being spent on 17 ministerial residences on the Fernwood estate at an average cost of R23.7m each
    – A R192m project is under way at Mahlamba Ndlopfu, the president’s official residence in Pretoria
    – R13.7m has been allocated for maintenance of and repairs to Oliver Tambo House, the official residence of the deputy president.
    – A R105m project is under way to build a new luxury VIP residence in Pretoria”

    http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/R14bn-upgrades-to-ministers-homes-20121109

  • Brett Nortje

    Could someone please tell the ANC the world teeters on the brink of recession?

  • Brett Nortje

    I wonder who Thulas meant by “so-called ‘constitutional expert’ “?

  • Chris (Not the right wing guy)

    Brett Nortje
    November 9, 2012 at 21:11 pm
    Thulas was referring to Prof Pierre de Vos.
    http://www.corruptionwatch.org.za/content/nxesi-dodges-questions-nkandla-upgrade

  • Paul Kearney

    Eish, c’mon “Prof”. Isn’t it you who wants flexibility in how the law is applied? Gauntlett too technical and rigid for you! Nxesi is just interpreting the rules in your flexible way. You can’t be a little bit pregnant when it suits you.

  • https://twitter.com/maggsnaidu Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    Hmmm!

    I wonder …

    Washington – David Petraeus has resigned as director of the CIA after admitting he had an extramarital affair.

    According to his letter of resignation, Petraeus asked US President Barack Obama on Thursday to allow him to resign and on Friday the president accepted.

    Petraeus said in a statement that he had shown “extremely poor judgment” in having the affair.

    http://www.news24.com/World/News/CIA-chief-quits-over-affair-20121109

  • John Roberts

    Sweet fuckall will happen. Nothing. Nada. Niks.

    We are a nation of little fucking pussy wimps who complain but do fuckall whilst the ANC pisses on the Constitution.

    I did something. I emigrated to Oz. Good luck to all of you because you will continue to let those cunts ride all over you and one day you won’t have the money to emigrate.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    JR, normally I would agree with you. But not on this. I confidently predict that SWEET FUCKSOMETHING will happen. Don’t know what. But it will be SOMETHING! And I fully intend to stay around to see it!

    Thanks.

  • Blue Ozone

    John Roberts
    November 10, 2012 at 12:32 pm

    Just FYI. My white bro Brett and I are starting to toy with the concept of a two-state nation.

    An African one, and a Whites, Coloureds and Indian one.

  • Blue Ozone

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    November 10, 2012 at 13:36 pm

    Apparently PdV hasn’t got the balls to lay a charge against Zuma although he has overwhelming evidence.

    What does that tell you?

  • https://twitter.com/maggsnaidu Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    Blue Ozone
    November 10, 2012 at 13:47 pm

    WHITE Boy

    “An African one, and a Whites, Coloureds and Indian one.”

    Fuck off!

    On your own.

  • Blue Ozone

    Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!
    November 10, 2012 at 16:14 pm

    LOL.

    I expect to see you sooner than later when the Africans start talking about “Asian privilege” once all us privileged whites are gone.

    Mean Household Income by Ethnicity[52] Ethnic Category Mean Household Income (USA)

    Asian alone $76,747
    White alone $65,317
    Hispanic or Latino $45,871
    Black $40,685

  • https://twitter.com/maggsnaidu Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    Blue Ozone
    November 10, 2012 at 16:27 pm

    LOL OB,

    Who died and appointed you Leader of ALL White people (i.e. a great WHITE messiah)?

  • Brett Nortje

    Chris (Not the right wing guy) says:
    November 9, 2012 at 22:04 pm

    LOL! If Pierrot is not careful he’ll be off the ANC Christmas Card list.

    I’m not even going to make jokes about better Thulas had referred to him as an ‘alleged constitutional-expert’ because this is a brilliant analysis.

    Boy, has Pierre cooked Zuma’s goose nicely….

  • https://twitter.com/maggsnaidu Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    I just heard that there’s a moat built around the COMPOUND, illegally drawing water off the Tugela River.

    Does anyone know if it’s true?

  • https://twitter.com/maggsnaidu Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    Has state funds perhaps been diverted to “political coffers”????

    http://www.citypress.co.za/SouthAfrica/News/Nkandla-prices-a-joke-20121110

  • Blue Ozone

    Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!
    November 11, 2012 at 10:22 am

    “Has state funds perhaps been diverted to “political coffers”????”

    Mags – I’m also in this business and this kind of thing happens all the time, not only at Nkandla. It is called BEE, and it helps black people to live the good life in Sandton because they are PDI. The sooner you realise that BEE/AA is fundamentally broken, stop skirting the issues with red herrings like “cadre deployment” and “corruption”, the sooner we can address the issues at hand.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Maggs, what do YOU say will happen?

  • Julanie

    Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!
    November 11, 2012 at 1:55 am
    Deur slim leuens onophoudelik te herhaal, kan jy mense laat glo dat die hel die hemel is – en andersom. Hoe groter die leuen, hoe makliker word dit geglo. Adolph Hitler (1889-1945)

  • Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    November 11, 2012 at 11:45 am

    Dworku,

    I dunno if it’s true that there’s a moat around parts of Zumaville’s COMPOUND.

    If it is, JR’s prediction may come true.

    But it is worth knowing if water from the Tugela is being illegally diverted, if it is.

  • Blue Ozone

    Julanie
    November 11, 2012 at 11:54 am

    Hi Julanie.

    There are many myths that are being maintained and manufactured as we speak. For South Africans one of the most prominent ones (also perpetuated by the author of this blog) is that the middle class in our country is “predominantly but not exclusively white”.

    As you can see from latest stats that “white people” constitute only around 30% of the middle class ( those who can afford DSTV) – see page 5 of this week’s Rapport.

  • Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    We are on the edge of building a new centre, like a solar plexus that keeps us together, that saves us from failed statehood.

    And we have a fine plan, crafted in government where a great many good things are still happening, if we care to look.

    The National Development Plan is a clever and practical vision of what we might look like by 2030.

    The vision is buttressed by excellent research – 26 commissioners sat down for over a year and debated the plan. They were a mini constitutional assembly, all very clever and all very different.

    Sadly, South Africa’s response has been lukewarm and we, the people and our government, appear intent on ignoring it completely. Though we should not.

    The vision of a decent life is finally fleshed out. It sets a philosophy that has still failed to take at mass level, but must: active citizenry.

    Why don’t we want to make it a reality? Sometimes it feels to me as if we are more comfortable in a state of struggle, to live in what some fellow citizens disparagingly call “this country”.

    You know it: “This country is so corrupt. They couldn’t run a garage.”

    We suffer the jaundiced bigotry of low expectations. Instead, I am deeply hopeful, guided by people such as Trevor Manuel, Motsoaledi, Ramphele, Zackie Achmat and Gavin Silber (the activist behind civic and court action for textbooks, and against terrible toilets).

    They show us how to lead from the middle when the state flails, when the movement fumbles and loses its centre.

    From the 1950s, our forebears had a vision to see us as free. They painted dreams on the bleakest of landscapes and then painfully coloured them in until they were realised.

    I feel we are finding that imagination again.

    http://www.citypress.co.za/Columnists/Strive-the-beloved-country-20121110

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Maggs (quoting City Press)

    “ I am deeply hopeful, guided by people such as Trevor Manuel, Motsoaledi, Ramphele, Zackie Achmat and Gavin Silber”

    With respect, I remain deeply suspicious of the so-called “National Development Plan.” The relentless focus of “competence” sounds to me like a coded attack on affirmative action. And can it be coincidence that only one of the five names mentioned are African? (I do not count Ramphele, who has been vociferous in her attacks upon measures designed to lift up Africans, as one.)

  • Blue Ozone

    Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!
    November 11, 2012 at 21:26 pm

    I don’t care no more. Been there, done that.

    High time for us WHITE boys to come up with a new plan.

  • Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    November 11, 2012 at 23:20 pm

    Hey Dworky,

    The tricky bit in this “motivational and inspirational” piece is :

    The National Development Plan is a clever and practical vision of what we might look like by 2030.

    If we ask nicely, JR will tell us what the impact of the NDP will be!

    JR WDYSTT?

  • Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    Last Tuesday, Americans re-elected Barack Obama as their president to a second term in the White House – the seat of the United States of America.

    By Wednesday afternoon while Americans were done with elections and celebrating Obama’s victory, many Africans, thousands of miles away, were in a carnival mood.

    I heard that leaders of a neighboring country, where President Obama’s late father was a national, even mulled a public holiday so that wananchi could have ample time to celebrate victory of their “son.”

    In social media many Africans discussed how a “black man” with humble roots in Africa had triumphed once again in a country where a few decades ago black people did not even have a vote.

    Typical of Africa’s politics of “eating,” where those from the tribe, party, clan or family of the man or woman in power have unfettered access to national resources, some commentators even suggested that Obama should devote his second term of office and money to help Africa. I was saddened by that view, I must say. …

    http://allafrica.com/stories/201211120038.html

  • Blue Ozone

    I guess somebody better break the news to them then.

    “’n Omvattende studie wat vroeër vanjaar landwyd onder 99 voormalige Afrikaanse model C-skole gedoen is, het voorts bevind dié kinders glo hulle kan deur harde werk vir hulself ’n toekoms in die land uitkerf en wil daarom nie emigreer nie.”

    http://www.rapport.co.za/Suid-Afrika/Nuus/Afrikaanse-skole-kook-20121110

    WHITE kids who believe that they can have a future in South Africa by “working hard”. But how, if blacks have it their way not a single white should be employed until 2060. Nor should they be able to do business as all procurement should also favour blacks.

    And that is the truth that the WHITE community is unwilling or reluctant to confront.

  • Brett Nortje

    http://www.citypress.co.za/Opinions/Blogs/I-cant-say-anything-about-Nkandla-even-I-cant-defend-it-20121108

    ‘I can’t say anything about Nkandla, even I can’t defend it’
    2012-11-08
    Mandy Rossouw
    He sat across from me in a restaurant in Pretoria – a government official I’ve known for many years, a source of many interesting and groundbreaking stories.

    “Mandy, you know me, you know I’m a Zuma man through and through. But I can’t say anything about Nkandla, even I can’t defend it,” he blurted out even before I broached the topic.

    Nkandlagate – the scandal in which president Jacob Zuma spent R248 million on improving his compound in Nkandla, KwaZulu-Natal – has the thinking part of the Zuma camp in a tight spot.

    They’ve managed to survive the love child, the spy tapes and all the other revelations that come with a Zuma presidency.

    But on this one they are quiet, letting presidency spokesperson Mac Maharaj mouth off about how the word “compound” is racist, instead of dealing with the substantive issue – why is our president extending his private home to the tune of almost a quarter of a billion rand with taxpayers’ money?

    Add to that the economic downgrades, the bleak financial outlook for South Africa for the next few years and the mining crisis that is linked to the labour crisis. It is then not fair to ask: how could such a man be re-elected in Mangaung?

    The first answer to the question is that the ANC is not America. Here we pretend to elect leaders who will merely implement what the party says, not go off and make his own decisions. So therefore a delegate is not allowed to point a finger at the president when criticising governance – either in government or the party.

    He’s supposed to finger all 88 national executive committee members and the myriad ad hoc members who sit in because of their provincial positions. And no delegate has enough fingers to do that.

    But the more realistic reason is that Zuma is a Trojan horse for the countless interests vested in his presidency.

    At the Cosatu meeting that decided to endorse Zuma for a second term, the proceedings started with a list of Zuma’s faults, sources say.

    They allegedly listed all the mistakes Zuma has made while in power and were, I’m told, very critical of his leadership in general.

    But, they concluded, what can Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe – the only other Mangaung option – offer them? Has Motlanthe at any point given them an indication that he would serve their interests the way Zuma said he would?

    Has he made it clear he will keep the youth wage subsidy away from the official government policy, as Zuma has managed to do? Has he committed himself to helping the National Union of Mineworkers to get back on its feet after the devastating effects of Marikana?

    Motlanthe may be considered one of their own, having been a former general secretary of the NUM, but the relationship they have with Zuma cannot be squandered.

    And in Motlanthe you might find a reasonableness that favours capitalism, not socialism.

    Like Cosatu, most Zuma lobbyists have their own interests at heart when they spend time, money and energy to convince delegates to go their way. Access to jobs, tenders and the rest may not be as easy under Motlanthe, and whole networks that link government and business may have to be dismantled if Zuma leaves the Union Buildings.

    The delegates themselves are sometimes beneficiaries of the Zuma administration, and those who are not, hope to be. No one knows how patronage will work in a Motlanthe administration, so rather the devil you know.

    My government official source will keep his million-rand-a-year job, and maybe have access to bigger things, if he continues to find favour with the big man.

    Zuma’s actions can no longer be justified, he will sigh, and take another bite from his overpriced steak.

    » Mandy Rossouw is the author of Manguang: Kings and Kingmakers

    – City Press

  • Blue Ozone

    “But on this one they are quiet, letting presidency spokesperson Mac Maharaj mouth off about how the word “compound” is racist, instead of dealing with the substantive issue – *why is our president extending his private home to the tune of almost a quarter of a billion rand with taxpayers’ money?*”

    So if you repeat a lie often enough it becomes the truth?

    Brett – I have noted neither you or PdV has volunteered to “approach a court and ask it to declare that the Nkandla upgrade was not authorised by the Ministerial Handbook as alleged,”. Now why is that?

    I’m still waiting.

  • Brett Nortje

    That is why we have elected representatives.

    Wait – your elected representatives have done NOTHING about the wasted R250m MINIMUM except try cover up – and Zuma is their leader?

  • Blue Ozone

    “It reads: “My office hereby confirms its support for your programme as telephonically discussed. We will provide transport for comrades to the rally to be addressed by the ANC Youth League president, comrade Julius Malema, at Ottosdal in Tswaing.”

    So this is what amongst others white taxpayer’s money is being used for. For funding individuals and political movements that advocate for their systematic destruction. White South Africans monies also being used to sponsor ZANU-PF, who have all but ethnically cleansed the white minority from Zim.

    http://www.citypress.co.za/Politics/News/ANC-probes-claims-mayor-funded-FYL-20121110

    I say fuck this. It cannot go on like this.

  • mhlongo

    The filth that I saw on Etv on Sunday Morning was something else, British call girls ( not that good-looking I must add ) selling their wares to South African men. Liberals are to blame for this.

    Well that was nothing compared to Gauntlett’s interview in the Sunday Times, this fellow is one arrogant piece of work, yep he’d make a perfect judge if it wasn’t for the new requirement that is now expected of judges – humility.

    I heard that he is to be nominated for the CC, I ask a simple question, Will he be humble soul by then?

  • Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    Is the ANC running out/afraid of ideas?

    “And so it was that Nelson Mandela, two weeks before the historic 1994 election, stood before de Klerk and debated with him. Mandela was not afraid of debating with de Klerk. History, logic, belief in the ANC’s own ideas and positions – they were all backing him up. …”

    “Racism? Is this w hat the ANC has been reduced to? When looting takes place in front of our eyes, the only argument the presidential spokesman can make is that this is racism? It was the same with Public Works Minister Thulas Nxesi a few weeks ago when he suggested that criticism of this kind of spending showed a lack of understanding of “African” values and lifestyles. …”

    Yet, over the past decade, slowly but surely, it has become an organisation scared to debate and defend its ideas. …”

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/opinion/columnists/2012/11/12/anc-is-running-scared

  • Blue Ozone

    Don’t worry maggs.

    21 ÷ 7 = 6

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/opinion/columnists/2012/11/08/we-can-do-the-maths

    No wonder there are people who passionately believe that 2 mil can uplift and “affirm” 50 mil.

    Somehow.

  • Mike

    @Mhlongo – the death warrants issued for hanging under apartheid all start with a heading called “GREETINGS”, now thats humility for you.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Maggs

    “When looting takes place in front of our eyes, the only argument the presidential spokesman can make is that this is racism?”

    With respect, it is not so much the charges that are racist, it is the selectivity of media coverage. As Ozonebuoy will confirm, Helen Zille’s squandering of tens of billions on so-called “consultants” in the Western Cape is ignored by the liberal press that spills gallons of ink on the comparatively trivial amount spent on Mr Zuma’s house. Also, why does the liberal press keep using the racist term “COMPOUND”?

  • Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    November 12, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Dworky,

    The notion that the ANC under Zuma has run out of ideas, is hard to dispute.

    Slightly worse than that ANC under Mbeki when the only ideas it then generated was Mbeki’s!

    Let’s wait to see what it will be like under Malema!

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Maggs

    “Let’s wait to see what it will be like under Malema!”

    I assume you jest, Maggs. Mr Malema is not fit to lead the ANC.

    But I will say this: like Ozoneblue, I would rather see Mr Malema as President than “Aunty” Zille!

  • Blue Ozone

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    November 12, 2012 at 11:58 am

    “Also, why does the liberal press keep using the racist term “COMPOUND”?”

    It looks more like a couple of African huts to me surrounded with some cow shit. They must be gold-plated on the inside though, or perhaps it could just be true that the money was mostly spent on basic infrastructure to the surrounds (therefore benefiting the community) and security measures.

    But on a much more interesting problem – just how big do you think is the “black middle class”?

    http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/wp-content/uploads/scanned-document11nov2012_newspaper.jpg

  • Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    November 12, 2012 at 12:16 pm

    Dworky,

    “I assume you jest, Maggs. Mr Malema is not fit to lead the ANC.”

    As clever people tell me “many a true word is spoken in jest”.

    I’m not sure that we’ve reached the bottom of the barrel with Zuma or Zuma wannabes.

    Perhaps some clever people will say how the ANC will be able to climb out of the abyss of morally, politically, ideologically, philosophically defunct leaders who have now taken charge of the levers of power.

    I cannot see how that will happen – the ANC is now, at its most concerted efforts, about defending corrupt leaders.

  • Blue Ozone

    Interesting though – white households who can afford DSTV also buy computers. Blacks who can afford DSTV apparently do not necessarily see any need for such a device that can be used to educate and improve their kids skills base and access to the whelf of knowledge stored on the Internet.

  • pekkil monta

    Prof – wouldn’t this be the stuff the Public Protector comes up with in her investigation, sort of, on page 2? Thulas can waffle until he’s fat around the stomach, it doesn’t matter what he says. It will dawn on him that he’s no longer running the thugs union, where he was a successful chief-moron.

    As for Mac, who cares what he says? He’s allowed himself to be reduced to a dumb bullyikng spokesman. Don’t bother him with facts, perhaps we should ask him to write a book about the origins of ‘compounds’. He’s, like all lackeys, simply paid to defend the rubbish, surely we can simply ignore him? Life’s too short for sell-outs, and it’s clear that his need for the power and money that comes from licking Zuma’s ass is more important to him than his selfrespect. Good luck to him.

    The real deal, surely, would be Madonsela’s conclusions, which I would expect to be as you lined them up. What happens when that report is done? Who gets to act on that?

  • Lisbeth

    @ M.D. Fassbinder –

    “Also, why does the liberal press keep using the racist term “COMPOUND”?”

    According to the Mail & Guardian: “In early October, amid growing coverage of spending at Nkandla, the Department of Public Works issued a statement in which it refers to the ‘security compound’ that forms part of the Nkandla complex – twice. Public Works Minister Thulas Nxesi read that statement aloud to a live television audience.”

    Hey, what would we do without the liberal press.

  • Gwebecimele

    @ Pekkil

    For the last 10 months Madonsela has been palying around with this “hot potatoe”. Let us hope that one day she will pronounce on this matter and clear the Prez.

  • Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    Lisbeth
    November 12, 2012 at 15:40 pm

    Lisbeth,

    See 6.7 of the letter referenced in PdV’s post.

    http://www.corruptionwatch.org.za/sites/default/files/DPW%20response.pdf

  • Dmwangi

    @OB:

    ‘Blue Ozone
    November 12, 2012 at 12:38 pm
    Interesting though – white households who can afford DSTV also buy computers. Blacks who can afford DSTV apparently do not necessarily see any need for such a device that can be used to educate and improve their kids skills base and access to the whelf of knowledge stored on the Internet.’

    By ‘educate and improve,’ I’m assuming you’re including the copious amounts of time whites (sans the radical feminists) spend on the Internet viewing pornography– something anathema to African values. Perhaps that, at least partially, explains the disparity.

    @Lisbeth:

    ‘Hey, what would we do without the liberal press.’

    Be better informed.

  • Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    Eish!

    “Things such as ‘The Spear’ painting tend to insult the president. We want to prevent criticism which is an insult to the office of the president,” [SACP KZN provincial secretary Themba Mthembu] said.

    “They can criticise, as long as they don’t insult and undermine the head of state.”

    http://www.iol.co.za/news/politics/protect-zuma-sacp-1.1421951#.UKEixWdq18E

    Oh well – he’s sneaked in an attack, not on the office but home of the President.

    Well done Themba Mthembu – at last a comrade speaks out!

    “The purpose of the march is to demand development in rural areas to be respected and also fast tracked. We’ll be saying that kind of development must be rolled out in other areas. …”

    Mthembu said the SACP was worried about the price of the upgrade to Zuma’s residence.

    He commended the department of public works for asking the Auditor General to investigate the cost. – Sapa

  • Lisbeth

    @Dmwangi:

    Pornography – anathema to African values?

    http://www.rnw.nl/africa/article/porn-a-twist-causes-stir-south-africa

  • Dmwangi

    @Lisbeth

    The fact that this was controversial indicates it is taboo for Africans. If it were otherwise, it would have been unremarkable.

    ‘Kenneth Meshoe, leader of the African Christian Democratic Party, said “porn exploits women”. He was also disappointed that “black South Africans chose to do something which is foreign to Africa.”‘

    European culture is no longer about imposing itself writ large with guns and military might. It is much more subtle now, appealing instead to people’s prurient interests and most base instincts for economic gain. The real question for whites is: is there anything left of European culture worth salvaging or have all estimable elements (assuming there were some, which I do) been purged already?

  • Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    Dmwangi
    November 12, 2012 at 19:10 pm

    Hey DM,

    “is there anything left of European culture worth salvaging”

    You do know what me and Dworky think is worthy of salvaging from European culture, don’t you?

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Dmwangi, quoting Kenneth Meshoe, leader of the African Christian Democratic Party: “porn exploits women”

    The Rev Meshoe is only partially right. The porn peddled by the liberal media exploits not only women, but also men. Liberals also exploit animals, goats, sheep, monkeys, even ducks, in acts of BESTIALITY. This was alien to Africa before the Greeks imposed porn on Egypt, circa 250 BC. Nowadays, the white media superimposes a pornographic sensibility even on the traditional Swazi “reed dance,” in which maidens honour their King!

  • Brett Nortje

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder says:
    November 12, 2012 at 20:14 pm

    Maggs just confided in me that he agrees with Mwangi on this one. He would like to see fertility masks and any carvings or statues that suggested men should have a noticeable penis BANNED.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    @dimwangi

    I think it is bit retarded to believe that all the Internet has to offer is porn.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Brett, that is why I say Brett Murray and Shapiro’s so-called “art” is offensive, not just to Mr Zuma, but to ALL Africans!

    Thanks.

  • Dmwangi

    @Maggs:

    ‘You do know what me and Dworky think is worthy of salvaging from European culture, don’t you?’

    Racism and antipathy toward African culture?

    @OB:

    I agree. It is also retarded to draw the conclusion that I made that assertion from my previous post, which merely pointed out whites spend an inordinate amount of Internet time viewing pornography. It is a multi-billion rand business, with millions of sites and users, almost all of which were created and are used by whites.

    Now stop acting retarded and revert back to your whining about the black middle class stealing all the jobs.

  • D.Mwangi

    @Maggs:

    ‘You do know what me and Dworky think is worthy of salvaging from European culture, don’t you?’

    Its affinity for homo-eroticism?

  • Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    Dmwangi
    November 12, 2012 at 20:53 pm

    Hey Dm,

    “Racism and antipathy toward African culture?”

    That too. But it’s not the most important. Try again.

    Anyway – what’s with the obsession of the anti-porn brigade?

  • Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    Dmwangi
    November 12, 2012 at 20:53 pm

    Dm,

    “@OB: Now stop acting retarded”

    Not nice.

    Everyone knows that OB is incapable of acting!!!!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    @dimwangi

    But you did seem to suggest that we have a .6 mil difference between black households with DSTV versus computers because middle class black peoples are not so much into (gay) porn as their white brothers. No?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    @maggs

    True, I never act.

    Us WHITE BOYS may act up a little now and then.

  • ewald

    Prof? Kasper Hahndiek takes issue with Pierre de Vos’ and Johan Kruger’s view of the Lekota affair http://www.politicsweb.co.za/

  • Brett Nortje

    Here’s the most important article you’ll ever read on conservation:

    http://www.beeld.com/In-Diepte/Nuus/Radikale-reddingsplan-20121112

    The problem is you ‘progressives’ just do not understand the nature of the beast like Ron Thomson does.

    That is why we will never be at peace with the peasant in Tuynhuys.
    You ‘progressives’ cannot see the big picture.

    Ask Mwangi.

  • Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    ewald
    November 13, 2012 at 2:35 am

    I dunno, Ewald – seems that the Handiman relies too much on vague interpretations of the make-up-as-you-go-along type!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    @brett

    We will also have to look at drastic measures to conserve even more endangered species like the white heterosexual male.

  • Henri

    Tony Leon on the most clottish constitutionally created committee in the country:
    “In the 19 years since then, the JSC, intended as a bulwark against political meddling in judicial appointments, for the very reason advanced by Kentridge in his 1987 speech, has seen an inflation of politicians as members and the strong suggestion that a majority party caucus operates informally within it. It has also made it plain that racial demographics is the highest premium in its appointments, although it was only one of several criteria the constitution envisaged.”
    http://www.bdlive.co.za/opinion/columnists/2012/11/13/jsc-has-introduced-novel-criterion-for-bench

    Oh yes. Under the no doubt brilliant “leadership” of the chief justice of the South African kleptocracy.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Ozonebuoy

    “We will also have to look at drastic measures to conserve even more endangered species like the white heterosexual male.”

    You are right. But tell me, what do you think is the more immediate threat to white straight males: (a) GENOCIDE, or (b) unemployment (according to the census, more than 6% of white males are now unemployed!)

    Thanks.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    @mfd

    I assure you that situation can change very quickly. How many heterosexual white males are left in zim for example?

  • Maggs Naidu – (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) – Zuma MUST go!

    ozoneblue
    November 13, 2012 at 9:37 am

    OzoneBoy,

    “even more endangered species like the white heterosexual male”.

    There’s not such thing!

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