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		<title>By: lucky ,mabele</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/who-will-be-the-president/#comment-5955</link>
		<dc:creator>lucky ,mabele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hail hail at least there will be equality because commorade Mbeki di not handle things very well politically why he did not prosecute selebi but fired zuma i think what the ANC did it was the best decision they ever made in the entire history of ANC kgalema motlante must be the new president</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hail hail at least there will be equality because commorade Mbeki di not handle things very well politically why he did not prosecute selebi but fired zuma i think what the ANC did it was the best decision they ever made in the entire history of ANC kgalema motlante must be the new president</p>
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		<title>By: khosi</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/who-will-be-the-president/#comment-5948</link>
		<dc:creator>khosi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is because i am not a copycat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is because i am not a copycat.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymouse</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/who-will-be-the-president/#comment-5937</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Khosi - why use only two of the official languages in thanking him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Khosi &#8211; why use only two of the official languages in thanking him?</p>
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		<title>By: khosi</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/who-will-be-the-president/#comment-5936</link>
		<dc:creator>khosi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just finished watching the speech. WHAT A STATESMAN. Clear, coherent and magnanimous in a the belly of resentfulness. And people say he has no leadership skills.

To him - Thank you, Siyabonga.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just finished watching the speech. WHAT A STATESMAN. Clear, coherent and magnanimous in a the belly of resentfulness. And people say he has no leadership skills.</p>
<p>To him &#8211; Thank you, Siyabonga.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymouse</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/who-will-be-the-president/#comment-5934</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kind of like Pink Floyd&#039;s &#039;galge-humor&#039; that are applicable to these situations. I like like Ludwig van Beethoven and even Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart as well, but in situations like these, Pink Floyd is priceless: &quot;Maggie, what have you done?&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kind of like Pink Floyd&#8217;s &#8216;galge-humor&#8217; that are applicable to these situations. I like like Ludwig van Beethoven and even Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart as well, but in situations like these, Pink Floyd is priceless: &#8220;Maggie, what have you done?&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Clara</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/who-will-be-the-president/#comment-5933</link>
		<dc:creator>Clara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahaha, Anonymouse ... what can you do when you live in a zoo? Ag nee man, forget Pink Floyd and listen to some Ludwig Van: you need something uplifting, fo&#039; sho&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha, Anonymouse &#8230; what can you do when you live in a zoo? Ag nee man, forget Pink Floyd and listen to some Ludwig Van: you need something uplifting, fo&#8217; sho&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Clara</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/who-will-be-the-president/#comment-5932</link>
		<dc:creator>Clara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Politically-Challenged: while the ANC is not in a position to amend its national list again to allow Jacob Zuma to become an MP and be eligible for election, it could conceivably amend one of its provincial-to-national lists to allow him back. This would allow Zuma, who resigned as an MP on 14 June 2005 - when he was fired by Mbeki - to return to the National Assembly and be appointed president. But Zuma is said not to want to become president in this way, so Baleka Mbete is likely to be elected. 

Setumo Stone: wouldn&#039;t you say that cracks are already appearing in the Zuma camp - between the &#039;militants&#039; (Julius et al) and the &#039;moderates&#039; (Kgalema Motlanthe, Mathews Phosa)? Maybe Helen Zille has no cause for despair just yet ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politically-Challenged: while the ANC is not in a position to amend its national list again to allow Jacob Zuma to become an MP and be eligible for election, it could conceivably amend one of its provincial-to-national lists to allow him back. This would allow Zuma, who resigned as an MP on 14 June 2005 &#8211; when he was fired by Mbeki &#8211; to return to the National Assembly and be appointed president. But Zuma is said not to want to become president in this way, so Baleka Mbete is likely to be elected. </p>
<p>Setumo Stone: wouldn&#8217;t you say that cracks are already appearing in the Zuma camp &#8211; between the &#8216;militants&#8217; (Julius et al) and the &#8216;moderates&#8217; (Kgalema Motlanthe, Mathews Phosa)? Maybe Helen Zille has no cause for despair just yet &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymouse</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/who-will-be-the-president/#comment-5929</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 13:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just asking - &quot;The lunatics - as they say - have taken over the asylum.&quot; 
Yes, as Pink Floyd says, &quot;I&#039;ll see you on tthe dark side of the moon!?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just asking &#8211; &#8220;The lunatics &#8211; as they say &#8211; have taken over the asylum.&#8221;<br />
Yes, as Pink Floyd says, &#8220;I&#8217;ll see you on tthe dark side of the moon!?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Realistically Speaking</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/who-will-be-the-president/#comment-5928</link>
		<dc:creator>Realistically Speaking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the bitter and despondent will never stop moaning...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the bitter and despondent will never stop moaning&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Politically-Challenged</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/who-will-be-the-president/#comment-5926</link>
		<dc:creator>Politically-Challenged</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my legally and politically limited opinion, after reading Pierres explanation of the process to be followed, my simplistic conclusion is:
The NEC and ANCY want JZ as president ASAP. That is the primary motive.
How can that be accomplished in the shortest possible space of time?

The ANC NEC will not name a new president, knowing that Mbeki&#039;s loyal cabinet will also resign, leaving the post of president open for 30 days. Thus requiring an election in 90 days. 

Is that possible? 

Who has been printing all the expensive colourful JZ support posters and banners for the JZ loyalists and paid for their being bussed in from all over to display the banners. I would hesitate to guess that the printer who made the banners may be working on election banners.

This is purely speculative on my part. As an ordinary person, i am confused about a number of issues that simply slip off the newstand, those are:

1. JZ has been accused of fraud, surely his name should be cleared ahead of any presidency. These charges are unanswered until the public and the legal system officially clears them.

2. Has TM done anything wrong? 
From my house TM is simply the latest victim of whistleblowing. SA has to be the one country where openly pointing a finger at a crime can be your downfall. If the president of the US asked for his second in charge to be removed from office and investigated for fraud and encouraged the legal system to charge for the offense, would any sensible person worried about gravy train politicians argue that decision to be wrong. 

3.The threatening NON DEMOCRATIC statements made by the ANCYL smack of a very undemocratic agenda.

i am stressed. No one in government is looking at the looming global economic crisis if they are all working on this, which could have waited to happen once all the facts where given.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my legally and politically limited opinion, after reading Pierres explanation of the process to be followed, my simplistic conclusion is:<br />
The NEC and ANCY want JZ as president ASAP. That is the primary motive.<br />
How can that be accomplished in the shortest possible space of time?</p>
<p>The ANC NEC will not name a new president, knowing that Mbeki&#8217;s loyal cabinet will also resign, leaving the post of president open for 30 days. Thus requiring an election in 90 days. </p>
<p>Is that possible? </p>
<p>Who has been printing all the expensive colourful JZ support posters and banners for the JZ loyalists and paid for their being bussed in from all over to display the banners. I would hesitate to guess that the printer who made the banners may be working on election banners.</p>
<p>This is purely speculative on my part. As an ordinary person, i am confused about a number of issues that simply slip off the newstand, those are:</p>
<p>1. JZ has been accused of fraud, surely his name should be cleared ahead of any presidency. These charges are unanswered until the public and the legal system officially clears them.</p>
<p>2. Has TM done anything wrong?<br />
From my house TM is simply the latest victim of whistleblowing. SA has to be the one country where openly pointing a finger at a crime can be your downfall. If the president of the US asked for his second in charge to be removed from office and investigated for fraud and encouraged the legal system to charge for the offense, would any sensible person worried about gravy train politicians argue that decision to be wrong. </p>
<p>3.The threatening NON DEMOCRATIC statements made by the ANCYL smack of a very undemocratic agenda.</p>
<p>i am stressed. No one in government is looking at the looming global economic crisis if they are all working on this, which could have waited to happen once all the facts where given.</p>
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