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	<description>This blog deals with political and social issues in South Africa, mostly from the perspective of Constitutional Law. Written by Pierre de Vos</description>
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		<title>By: Stevii</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/why-obamas-election-matters/#comment-7461</link>
		<dc:creator>Stevii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It matters because he is black.</description>
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		<title>By: Abbie</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/why-obamas-election-matters/#comment-7459</link>
		<dc:creator>Abbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Micheal.  Ouch!!!  I like the sarcasm!  With apologies to the likes of Sne and Mpho for whom I have loads of respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Micheal.  Ouch!!!  I like the sarcasm!  With apologies to the likes of Sne and Mpho for whom I have loads of respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Osborne</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/why-obamas-election-matters/#comment-7452</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Osborne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Samantha, of course.  What I wrote was intended ironically.  (Of course, whites do still exercise massive economic power over blacks, a reality which, on a day to day people is, for most people, more important than abstracted political power.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samantha, of course.  What I wrote was intended ironically.  (Of course, whites do still exercise massive economic power over blacks, a reality which, on a day to day people is, for most people, more important than abstracted political power.)</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/why-obamas-election-matters/#comment-7450</link>
		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Osborne,

Would the reverse then not apply in SA?  Given that nowadays, Blacks hold the most powerful positions in this country, and legislation subordinates whites, surely it then stands to reason that whites in SA are, accordingly, not capable of racism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Osborne,</p>
<p>Would the reverse then not apply in SA?  Given that nowadays, Blacks hold the most powerful positions in this country, and legislation subordinates whites, surely it then stands to reason that whites in SA are, accordingly, not capable of racism?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Osborne</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/why-obamas-election-matters/#comment-7448</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Osborne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 11:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stalin, what is also helpful to recall is that, as any American race academic would tell us, blacks cannot be racist.   Racism is a matter of a power relations.  Since blacks remain subordinated, they are not, by definition, capable of racism. 

Q.E.D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stalin, what is also helpful to recall is that, as any American race academic would tell us, blacks cannot be racist.   Racism is a matter of a power relations.  Since blacks remain subordinated, they are not, by definition, capable of racism. </p>
<p>Q.E.D.</p>
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		<title>By: Stalin</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/why-obamas-election-matters/#comment-7446</link>
		<dc:creator>Stalin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Restrov, what has got my knots twisted is the impression that  this country is like this because of racist blacks, u even got the point of accusing lindelani maseko of drinking fron a poisoned chalice. As a black young man no one needs to teach you anything, u only have to live in this country with plenty racists everywhere u look. U give the impression that white parents dont contribute to racist white kids that are fed misperceptions that they have no future here infact stats say something else yet the racist media still purports to feed this distorted information thus breeding angry white kids. Curiously i often wonder if this is not a ploy to make AA appear a failure when there are plenty successes to show for. It&#039;s high time that blacks became subtle racists, it worked to uplift afrikaners, it worked to give respect to Jews and has worked to make SA INDIANS top financially viable. Not all racism is bad unless it ends like Rwanda. Peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Restrov, what has got my knots twisted is the impression that  this country is like this because of racist blacks, u even got the point of accusing lindelani maseko of drinking fron a poisoned chalice. As a black young man no one needs to teach you anything, u only have to live in this country with plenty racists everywhere u look. U give the impression that white parents dont contribute to racist white kids that are fed misperceptions that they have no future here infact stats say something else yet the racist media still purports to feed this distorted information thus breeding angry white kids. Curiously i often wonder if this is not a ploy to make AA appear a failure when there are plenty successes to show for. It&#8217;s high time that blacks became subtle racists, it worked to uplift afrikaners, it worked to give respect to Jews and has worked to make SA INDIANS top financially viable. Not all racism is bad unless it ends like Rwanda. Peace</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Osborne</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/why-obamas-election-matters/#comment-7436</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Osborne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wessel, by the “soft” left I mean the “left” that is willing to accommodate, theocrats, homophobes, misogynists and assorted neo-fascist thugs, like Saddam, for instance.  The soft left’s tolerance reflects in part that they have absorbed, from liberalism, and in particular, from post-modernism, a certain lazy  relativism.  For the soft leftist, there is but one lodestar: anti-Americanism.   Almost anyone who hates America, or whom America hates, is on the right side of history, and sometimes a hero, be it Fidel, Saddam, Giscard, Ghadaffi or even (in the case of  Noam Chomsky), Pol Pot.

Few soft leftists even know that the Iraqi Communist Party (a viciously persecuted survivor of the “hard” left, if ever there was one), welcomed the U.S. invasion.  And if he had to choose, you can be sure that your soft lefty  would have sided with Saddam against both the US and the Iraqi communists. 

I agree of course that the US cannot (and should not) stay in Iraq forever.   But it irritates me that Obama should make a promise that he knows very well he cannot keep – that he will withdraw in 16 months.   Yes, I know all politicians lie.  But doesn’t Obama ask to be held to a higher standard?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wessel, by the “soft” left I mean the “left” that is willing to accommodate, theocrats, homophobes, misogynists and assorted neo-fascist thugs, like Saddam, for instance.  The soft left’s tolerance reflects in part that they have absorbed, from liberalism, and in particular, from post-modernism, a certain lazy  relativism.  For the soft leftist, there is but one lodestar: anti-Americanism.   Almost anyone who hates America, or whom America hates, is on the right side of history, and sometimes a hero, be it Fidel, Saddam, Giscard, Ghadaffi or even (in the case of  Noam Chomsky), Pol Pot.</p>
<p>Few soft leftists even know that the Iraqi Communist Party (a viciously persecuted survivor of the “hard” left, if ever there was one), welcomed the U.S. invasion.  And if he had to choose, you can be sure that your soft lefty  would have sided with Saddam against both the US and the Iraqi communists. </p>
<p>I agree of course that the US cannot (and should not) stay in Iraq forever.   But it irritates me that Obama should make a promise that he knows very well he cannot keep – that he will withdraw in 16 months.   Yes, I know all politicians lie.  But doesn’t Obama ask to be held to a higher standard?</p>
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		<title>By: Wessel van Rensburg (aka Mhambi)</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/why-obamas-election-matters/#comment-7435</link>
		<dc:creator>Wessel van Rensburg (aka Mhambi)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted something here last night which did not appear, so I&#039;ll try again.

I&#039;m interested in Michael&#039;s comments about a &#039;soft left&#039;. I would like for you to define exactly what you mean by a soft left Michael, do you imply that there&#039;s another left?

The left has often unfairly criticised the US and defends countries and dictators with terrible human rights records. 

The election of Obama will show clearly that while the US is no angel, it has been a major force for stability, openness and good in the world as well.

In the UK there&#039;s actually a new left movement under way that tries to bring thle left back to its core values. Just google &#039;The euston manifesto&#039; and you&#039;ll get a very interesting document. 

I agree with Michael that Obama might disappoint the &#039;soft left&#039; on some issues. I agree that the US for instance should not so blindly endorse Israel, because its stopping Israel from having to take difficult decisions which they must make if they were to secure a future in the long run.

However, just like Obama might disappoint &#039;soft&#039; lefties re Iraq, he might disappoint right wingers that think he wont come round to the two state solution with a divided Jerusalem. 

Obama has to say what he is saying now. He is a black candidate, and it puts him at an disadvanatge in a country where just 10% of the population is balck.

And with swing states like Florida having a 5% jewish population he does not need various pro Israel lobby groups ganging up on him now.

Bush after all went into his first election as the face of compassionate conservatism. Don&#039;t expect Obama not to change his tune as well.

You might well be correct re Iraq. Obama might well want to stay longer. Reports are that the growing peace in the country is extremely fragile, the government weak and that massive sectarian violence will follow any sudden US withdrawal. Women rights in particular are bound to suffer in an environment of extreme religiousness.

 But the US, facing record levels of public debt, without the high levels of international confidence in its abilities is hardly in a unassailable position to stay in Iraq even if they wanted to.   

In that sense, Obama might not help increase US hegemony, but will most probably manage a more uncertain, riskier world where the US needs to cooperate, much better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted something here last night which did not appear, so I&#8217;ll try again.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested in Michael&#8217;s comments about a &#8216;soft left&#8217;. I would like for you to define exactly what you mean by a soft left Michael, do you imply that there&#8217;s another left?</p>
<p>The left has often unfairly criticised the US and defends countries and dictators with terrible human rights records. </p>
<p>The election of Obama will show clearly that while the US is no angel, it has been a major force for stability, openness and good in the world as well.</p>
<p>In the UK there&#8217;s actually a new left movement under way that tries to bring thle left back to its core values. Just google &#8216;The euston manifesto&#8217; and you&#8217;ll get a very interesting document. </p>
<p>I agree with Michael that Obama might disappoint the &#8216;soft left&#8217; on some issues. I agree that the US for instance should not so blindly endorse Israel, because its stopping Israel from having to take difficult decisions which they must make if they were to secure a future in the long run.</p>
<p>However, just like Obama might disappoint &#8216;soft&#8217; lefties re Iraq, he might disappoint right wingers that think he wont come round to the two state solution with a divided Jerusalem. </p>
<p>Obama has to say what he is saying now. He is a black candidate, and it puts him at an disadvanatge in a country where just 10% of the population is balck.</p>
<p>And with swing states like Florida having a 5% jewish population he does not need various pro Israel lobby groups ganging up on him now.</p>
<p>Bush after all went into his first election as the face of compassionate conservatism. Don&#8217;t expect Obama not to change his tune as well.</p>
<p>You might well be correct re Iraq. Obama might well want to stay longer. Reports are that the growing peace in the country is extremely fragile, the government weak and that massive sectarian violence will follow any sudden US withdrawal. Women rights in particular are bound to suffer in an environment of extreme religiousness.</p>
<p> But the US, facing record levels of public debt, without the high levels of international confidence in its abilities is hardly in a unassailable position to stay in Iraq even if they wanted to.   </p>
<p>In that sense, Obama might not help increase US hegemony, but will most probably manage a more uncertain, riskier world where the US needs to cooperate, much better.</p>
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		<title>By: Retsrov</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/why-obamas-election-matters/#comment-7434</link>
		<dc:creator>Retsrov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stalin  // Oct 25, 2008 at 1:09 am  

Stalin,

What do you really want?  What are your ultimate plans and desires for this country? Do you want white men who are not even responsible for your pain and and anger to do something so you could forget?  Most of the guys who caused your anger and bitterness is dead now or very old.  Take lindelani for example: he is filled with hatred and anger and bitterness towards the white man, but he is only 24 yrs old.  He knows jack about the &quot;struggle&quot; - i guess his parents are to blame, because when he was a kid they pumped him full of poison.  (it seems he hates Xhosas too) 
AA &amp; BEE was implemented wrongly...too fast and apartheid from the &quot;previous regime&quot; in reverse.  AA &amp; BEE tried to heal wounds caused over 40 years in a matter of 5 years.  Its not the right medicine.  Dropping the hatred and bitterness (whites and blacks) is the right medicine, and the media could help, but they are controlled by bitter angry blacks now.  What are we to do, to give peace a chance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stalin  // Oct 25, 2008 at 1:09 am  </p>
<p>Stalin,</p>
<p>What do you really want?  What are your ultimate plans and desires for this country? Do you want white men who are not even responsible for your pain and and anger to do something so you could forget?  Most of the guys who caused your anger and bitterness is dead now or very old.  Take lindelani for example: he is filled with hatred and anger and bitterness towards the white man, but he is only 24 yrs old.  He knows jack about the &#8220;struggle&#8221; &#8211; i guess his parents are to blame, because when he was a kid they pumped him full of poison.  (it seems he hates Xhosas too)<br />
AA &amp; BEE was implemented wrongly&#8230;too fast and apartheid from the &#8220;previous regime&#8221; in reverse.  AA &amp; BEE tried to heal wounds caused over 40 years in a matter of 5 years.  Its not the right medicine.  Dropping the hatred and bitterness (whites and blacks) is the right medicine, and the media could help, but they are controlled by bitter angry blacks now.  What are we to do, to give peace a chance?</p>
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		<title>By: Stalin</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/why-obamas-election-matters/#comment-7432</link>
		<dc:creator>Stalin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont really want to appear a bitter man at Sne being showered with praises for being a &#039;progressive black man&#039;. I am amazed at the comments made esp by anonymouse a racist herself that suggests that the problem is with the blacks who live in the past and vote with pre 1994 hearts. What is it that the white man has done to make the black man forget his pain and anger? All that u do is bitch on about affirmative action and BEE and lie about white child having no prospects of employment in this country bcos of pro black racist policies yet the truth remains fewer companies even attempt to comply and the white child remains their preferred employee. With the status quo some of us will always vote along racial lines just like the white people do notwithstanding what the confused Sne say. You can insult Jacob zuma and malema all you like we will vote for them and you can vote for your racist DA and lose. There you have it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont really want to appear a bitter man at Sne being showered with praises for being a &#8216;progressive black man&#8217;. I am amazed at the comments made esp by anonymouse a racist herself that suggests that the problem is with the blacks who live in the past and vote with pre 1994 hearts. What is it that the white man has done to make the black man forget his pain and anger? All that u do is bitch on about affirmative action and BEE and lie about white child having no prospects of employment in this country bcos of pro black racist policies yet the truth remains fewer companies even attempt to comply and the white child remains their preferred employee. With the status quo some of us will always vote along racial lines just like the white people do notwithstanding what the confused Sne say. You can insult Jacob zuma and malema all you like we will vote for them and you can vote for your racist DA and lose. There you have it.</p>
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