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	<description>This blog deals with political and social issues in South Africa, mostly from the perspective of Constitutional Law. Written by Pierre de Vos</description>
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		<title>By: duke</title>
		<link>http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/why-the-rule-of-law-is-not-only-important-for-the-rich/#comment-20178</link>
		<dc:creator>duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlotte: 
http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/Content.aspx?id=83847</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlotte:<br />
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is indeed a sad video which reflects a graver South African reality: the value of and respect for life, limb and property vis-á-vis the question of survival-of-the-fittest in a society embedded in violence, both from state and citizen. I find it extremely burdening when I see post-apartheid governments trampling on the (constitutional) rights of the very people they’re meant to defend and the very people they’ve been fighting for over the last decades. It seems like a typical psychological phenomenon called “the victim becoming the perpetrator”. Worse is, the message sent by such capricious state action: the state representing a “machine” against its people instead of it representing its people - which ideologically is the idea of a democracy.  This of course (rhetorically) begs the question as to whether we are living in a democracy in South Africa. But this aside, when the South African state sets an example of violence against its people (much like it did during the apartheid years!), then I find it depressing to see that post-apartheid rulers have learnt zero from its recent history and even less from its young democracy!

As to the rule of law: how can a state expect its citizens to respect the (rule of) law whilst it is the very machine suppressing its people through caprice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is indeed a sad video which reflects a graver South African reality: the value of and respect for life, limb and property vis-á-vis the question of survival-of-the-fittest in a society embedded in violence, both from state and citizen. I find it extremely burdening when I see post-apartheid governments trampling on the (constitutional) rights of the very people they’re meant to defend and the very people they’ve been fighting for over the last decades. It seems like a typical psychological phenomenon called “the victim becoming the perpetrator”. Worse is, the message sent by such capricious state action: the state representing a “machine” against its people instead of it representing its people &#8211; which ideologically is the idea of a democracy.  This of course (rhetorically) begs the question as to whether we are living in a democracy in South Africa. But this aside, when the South African state sets an example of violence against its people (much like it did during the apartheid years!), then I find it depressing to see that post-apartheid rulers have learnt zero from its recent history and even less from its young democracy!</p>
<p>As to the rule of law: how can a state expect its citizens to respect the (rule of) law whilst it is the very machine suppressing its people through caprice?</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlotte A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is indeed sad and shocking. I also heard Stuart Wilson at John Dugard&#039;s symposium talk about what is going on in Kennedy Road.

But the reason I am writing is to express my disappointment with Pierre for keeping mum on the recent landmark judgment of the Constitutional Court in the Mazibuko case (please forgive me if he spoke on radio or tv about it and I all missed it while in the office).
 
A judgment that is quite incredible setting us back, as a colleague of mine said &quot;ten years&quot;.  I had the same feeling while reading it - brings us back to Soobramooney. And...the Mazibuko case was unanimous, nogal!

Pierre, may be we could do with a little less on Jacob Zuma and Hlophe and more about what is happening at the CC. 

I&#039;ll call it the clawback judgment with its narrow interpretation of previous CC judgments such as the TAC case, and its Executive-mindedness. I thought it was an extraordinary judgment - it even succeeded in making the conservative SCA look progressive. Well that&#039;s just an aside - I don&#039;t want to throw around labels that have become meaningless as that would divert attention from the substance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is indeed sad and shocking. I also heard Stuart Wilson at John Dugard&#8217;s symposium talk about what is going on in Kennedy Road.</p>
<p>But the reason I am writing is to express my disappointment with Pierre for keeping mum on the recent landmark judgment of the Constitutional Court in the Mazibuko case (please forgive me if he spoke on radio or tv about it and I all missed it while in the office).</p>
<p>A judgment that is quite incredible setting us back, as a colleague of mine said &#8220;ten years&#8221;.  I had the same feeling while reading it &#8211; brings us back to Soobramooney. And&#8230;the Mazibuko case was unanimous, nogal!</p>
<p>Pierre, may be we could do with a little less on Jacob Zuma and Hlophe and more about what is happening at the CC. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll call it the clawback judgment with its narrow interpretation of previous CC judgments such as the TAC case, and its Executive-mindedness. I thought it was an extraordinary judgment &#8211; it even succeeded in making the conservative SCA look progressive. Well that&#8217;s just an aside &#8211; I don&#8217;t want to throw around labels that have become meaningless as that would divert attention from the substance.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Ferwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold Ferwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SOUTH AFRICA EPISODE 4: The Black Nationalists Strike Back ...

It is the first year of the reign of Emperor JZ, who overthrew the dark lord TM. The alliance had succeeded in its bid to secure of the Senate and the minds of the majority, for now. But the White resistance still wields considerable power in the Galaxy and though efforts have been made to show their willingness for peace, the growing black nationalists are weary of them and do not think they are being sincere.

The leader of the Youth Storm troopers, JM has gone on the offensive and is attacking as much white outposts as he can, but their force field is far too strong. 

Unbeknown to the white resistance, the cloning of hundreds of JM&#039;s has been caused by the energy radiating from the force field and it will only be a matter of time when it will be breached .....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SOUTH AFRICA EPISODE 4: The Black Nationalists Strike Back &#8230;</p>
<p>It is the first year of the reign of Emperor JZ, who overthrew the dark lord TM. The alliance had succeeded in its bid to secure of the Senate and the minds of the majority, for now. But the White resistance still wields considerable power in the Galaxy and though efforts have been made to show their willingness for peace, the growing black nationalists are weary of them and do not think they are being sincere.</p>
<p>The leader of the Youth Storm troopers, JM has gone on the offensive and is attacking as much white outposts as he can, but their force field is far too strong. </p>
<p>Unbeknown to the white resistance, the cloning of hundreds of JM&#8217;s has been caused by the energy radiating from the force field and it will only be a matter of time when it will be breached &#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: sirjay jonson</title>
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		<dc:creator>sirjay jonson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harold:  there has to be hope, its a must!  We cannot collapse and give up hope; we must continue, withoutout fear or favour. We must.!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harold:  there has to be hope, its a must!  We cannot collapse and give up hope; we must continue, withoutout fear or favour. We must.!</p>
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		<title>By: sirjay jonson</title>
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		<dc:creator>sirjay jonson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also see: http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/abahlali-basemjondolo-our-movement-is-under-attack/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also see: <a href="http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/abahlali-basemjondolo-our-movement-is-under-attack/" rel="nofollow">http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/abahlali-basemjondolo-our-movement-is-under-attack/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Harold Ferwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold Ferwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Sirjay ...

You&#039;ve hit it on the nail! A bit late though ... I was advocating this rising frustrations ages ago. 

If you look under the other topics you will see every time someone vents their frustrated views about the inequalities (socially and economically of course), they are put down for being irrational and trouble-makers. I can safely say that this form of defence will become very, very futile in the near future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Sirjay &#8230;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve hit it on the nail! A bit late though &#8230; I was advocating this rising frustrations ages ago. </p>
<p>If you look under the other topics you will see every time someone vents their frustrated views about the inequalities (socially and economically of course), they are put down for being irrational and trouble-makers. I can safely say that this form of defence will become very, very futile in the near future.</p>
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		<title>By: sirjay jonson</title>
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		<dc:creator>sirjay jonson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In watching SABC Nuus tonight, I distinctly noticed that they did not cover the top story (or at least it should have been) for today, the killing of an innocent women by (lets face it) trigger happy police who probably have an ego thing about killing criminals, now thanks to Zuma and Cele.

I&#039;m angry, people are angry... the times they are a changin.... &#039;Dylan&#039;, obviously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In watching SABC Nuus tonight, I distinctly noticed that they did not cover the top story (or at least it should have been) for today, the killing of an innocent women by (lets face it) trigger happy police who probably have an ego thing about killing criminals, now thanks to Zuma and Cele.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m angry, people are angry&#8230; the times they are a changin&#8230;. &#8216;Dylan&#8217;, obviously.</p>
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		<title>By: sirjay jonson</title>
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		<dc:creator>sirjay jonson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Prof:  In a few short months I will have worked with the disadvantaged in the communities for 10 years, originally as an ANC devotee, and I&#039;ve seen it all.

These are the first really awakening signs for the general public of what is unfolding in this most beautiful and promising of countries.

Talk is talk.  Action is action and says it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Prof:  In a few short months I will have worked with the disadvantaged in the communities for 10 years, originally as an ANC devotee, and I&#8217;ve seen it all.</p>
<p>These are the first really awakening signs for the general public of what is unfolding in this most beautiful and promising of countries.</p>
<p>Talk is talk.  Action is action and says it all.</p>
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