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Willing buyer, willing seller works…. if you have a lifetime to wait

Few reasonable people would disagree that the pace of the constitutionally mandated redistribution of land in South Africa has been far too slow. One of the many reasons for this slow progress on land reform is the government’s current “willing buyer willing seller” land redistribution policy. The proposed Property Valuations Bill, read with the provisions of the Expropriation Bill, may begin to address this problem. Unfortunately the Bills are not without their faults, opening up a space for the “we-are-going-the-way-of-Zimbabwe” alarmists to delegitimise these proposed legislative measures which are aimed at speeding up land reform.

The South African Constitution places a positive obligation on the state to “take reasonable legislative and other measures, within its available resources” to effect land redistribution. Section 25 of the Bill of Rights also explicitly allows the state to expropriate property – forcibly, if necessary – to achieve this purpose. This means the state may validly expropriate property (even in cases where the owners of that property are unwilling to part with the property or unwilling to part with it at the price offered), if the expropriation is aimed at redistributing land to address the effects of widespread colonial and Apartheid-era land dispossession.

There is therefore nothing in the Constitution that requires the state to stick to a “willing buyer willing seller” land redistribution policy. This policy has so far allowed property owners to block redistribution efforts, as it allows property owners to refuse to have their property expropriated and also allows them to hold the government to ransom by demanding that the state pay exorbitant prices for property intended for expropriation. (Think of it as a form of tender corruption – but by white property owners.)

Given the slow pace of land reform and the exorbitant cost of the “willing buyer willing seller policy”, it is possible to argue that the existing land reform policy is unconstitutional because the measures are not reasonable in that they do not allow the state to move as expeditiously as possible to address the effects of past unfair (race-based) land dispossession. A new approach – along the general lines of the proposed Property Valuations Bill and Expropriations Bill – is therefore needed to deal with land redistribution.

However, the Constitution also prohibits the arbitrary deprivation of property and states that expropriation is made subject to the payment of compensation, “the amount of which and the time and manner of payment of which have either been agreed to by those affected or decided or approved by a court.”

As I have explained before, the Constitution does not require the state to pay the owner of expropriated property the market value for the property when it is expropriated. Instead, the state is required to pay “just and equitable” compensation, “reflecting an equitable balance between the public interest and the interests of those affected”. In deciding what would constitute just and equitable compensation, section 25 of the Constitution requires that the following factors must be considered:

  • the current use of the property;
  • the history of the acquisition and use of the property;
  • the market value of the property;
  • the extent of direct state investment and subsidy in the acquisition and beneficial capital improvement of the property; and
  • the purpose of the expropriation.

Of course, there are many problems with the government’s current land redistribution programme. A lack of support and training for emerging farmers, as well the lack of a coherent long term strategy aimed at redistributing land while enhancing food security, bedevils current efforts to redistribute land in a manner that would enhance economic growth, while speedily addressing the current untenable, racially skewed, distribution of land.

The proposed Bills will not address all these problems.

The Bills are, however, intended to deal with the slow process of the current land reform programme as well as the exorbitant and thus unsustainable cost of the programme. The Expropriation Bill authorises the relevant Minister to expropriate property for the purposes of land redistribution – even without the consent of the property owner. The Bill provides several procedural safeguards in this respect, including the opportunity for the owner of property to lodge an objection to the decision to expropriate his or her property and then to negotiate with the authorities about the intended expropriation.

The Bill then provides for a decision to be taken on the expropriation within 60 days. Even if the owner is not happy with the amount of compensation offered, the Bill provides for the expropriation to go ahead. However, crucially, section 22 of the Bill states that if the owner and the expropriation authority cannot agree on the terms of an expropriation any party to an expropriation has the right to approach a court to decide or approve the following matters:

  • the amount of compensation;
  • the time of payment of compensation; or
  • the manner of payment of compensation.

This means that the Expropriation Bill would allow (but would not require) a court to make a final determination on the compensation paid for expropriated property. Although as it stands section 22 of the Bill provides an important safeguard for owners of property whose property is to be expropriated, it would not prevent the expropriation from being effected before the court makes a final determination on the compensation. In fact the involvement of the court in determining the compensation would be optional, not mandatory.

This is in conflict with the provision in section 25 of the Constitution which requires compensation to be either “decided or approved” by a court when the expropriation is not by agreement.

Although the Bill appropriately allows for the expropriation of property – even without the consent of the owner of the property – it fails to provide for the mandatory involvement of the court in the determination of the compensation. A property owner with the necessary funds would be able to approach a court to challenge the amount or the manner of payment of compensation, but if he or she does not do so, then the court will not be involved in deciding or approving the compensation – in conflict with the Constitution.

Moreover, it is unclear how these provisions fit in with the provisions of the Property Valuations Bill. This Bill would create the Office of the Valuer-General who would be tasked with the duty of valuating all properties that will be expropriated and to develop criteria for the valuation of such properties. These will obviously mirror those listed in section 25 of the Constitution, which means that although a valuation process will always start by considering the market value of the property, other relevant factors might be used to reduce the valuation of the property.

But the problem is that these provisions do not refer back in any way to the provisions of the Expropriation Bill, giving the impression that the drafters of the one Bill had no idea about the provisions of the other Bill being prepared.

But if one assumes that the newly created Valuer-General will finally decide of the amount of compensation to be paid in the event of a forced expropriation, it is unclear how this will be done and to what extent the court would be involved in the decision.

The Property Evaluations Bill provides for an elaborate review process and allows a review committee to review the amount of compensation to be paid for an expropriated property. The Bill states that the decision of a review committee would be deemed “final and binding subject only to a review by a court”. But once again, there is no provision for the automatic involvement of the courts in the establishment or approval of the amount of compensation that will have to be paid, which renders the Bill unconstitutional.

It seems to me the only way the land reform could be speeded up and the cost kept down in a constitutionally valid manner, would be to create a dedicated Valuations Court and to require the new Court to sign off on all determinations of the compensation to be paid to property owners in the event of forced expropriation.

All the elaborate review mechanisms contained in the Property Evaluations Bill therefore seems completely unnecessary. It will only create another layer of bureaucracy without providing for a constitutionally valid mechanism for the determination of compensation to those whose property were forcibly expropriated.

The Constitutional court remarked recently in its judgment in Agri South Africa v Minister for Minerals and Energy that the obligation imposed by section 25 of the Constitution requires it not to “over-emphasise private property rights at the expense of the state’s social responsibilities” to effect land reform.

It must always be remembered that our history does not permit a near-absolute status to be given to individual property rights to the detriment of the equally important duty of the state to ensure that all South Africans partake of the benefits flowing from our mineral and petroleum resources.

But where forcible expropriation occurs, it is important that a credible body (In this case a court of law) always has the final say on whether just and equitable compensation was paid for the expropriated land. In the absence of such a mechanism, land expropriation may well become mired in corruption, which would not further the constitutional interests of speedy but effective land redistribution. It is for that reason that the proposed Bills need to be amended to require a court to approve all forms of compensation in cases of forced expropriation.

  • khosi

    We will NOT pay for stolen land. That is where the story ends.

    We are willing to work with those colonial benefactors who are willing to be progressive. However, mark my words, there is absolutely no reason why large pieces of land lie idle when our people are jobless and the land is the very key to defeating joblessness and poverty.

    Asijiki.

    Viva Economic Freedom Fighters, Viva!

  • Mike

    @khosi – the benefactors of colonisation included balcks as well, because you were given a written langauage that you did not have.
    There is also no evidence that you were commercial farmers as well because that would have been evidenced by commercial farming implements invented by blacks when the facts are that you did not even have the wheel, anothet benefit of colonialism.
    The constitution talks about colonialisation not white colonialisation so why should black colonialisation be brought into the equation as well.
    Bearing in mind that all black land obtained in South Africa was obtained by conquest and not by peacefull means, maybe reparations are applicable to those other indignous black tribes, of which the Nguni are not, to pay reparations.
    The moral of the story is be carefull about being selective, the war in the Balkans was about the Turkish invasion of Serbia 400 years ago where Serbian women were deliberately raped to inprenate them with the moslem seed.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za ozoneblue

    khosi June 13, 2013 at 7:33 am

    Fuck you. Im not a ‘colonial’. We are waiting for you socalled ‘economic freedom fighters’ who are stealing our taxes.

    Land redistribution shall be conducted along principled and fair lines and you will not deny me my South African citizenship.

    I hope the above is very, very clear.

  • Maggs Naidu – WHITE People invented the wheel! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mike
    June 13, 2013 at 7:51 am

    Hey Mike,

    “you did not even have the wheel”

    Well done to WHITE people for inventing the wheel and written language.

    BTW, any idea who invented the wheel and written language?

  • Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?

    Same shitheads, different day.

  • Maggs Naidu – WHITE People invented the wheel! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    ozoneblue
    June 13, 2013 at 8:36 am

    OB

    “Fuck you. Im not a ‘colonial’. We are waiting for you socalled ‘economic freedom fighters’ who are stealing our taxes.”

    Shut up you silly racist.

    When we get the land back which WHITE people stole, I’m gonna take the whole of Potchefstroom.

    Then you are gonna have to live in the bush by the river.

  • Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?

    Khosi, explain something to me quickly: No, nothing about the 95% of redistributed farms that have failed.

    The booming agricultural of Transkei. Or should I say ‘the lack of booming agriculture in Transkei’?

  • http://evidenceandreason.wordpress.com Jason Bosch

    It was wrong to take land from unwilling people in the past but it’s fine to take land from unwilling people now? I thought we’re supposed to be learning from the past, not repeating it. It’s not possible to just return land taken decades or centuries ago, everything has changed since then. Will the government next be kicking the Zulus, for example, off the lands they conquered from other tribes?

  • Mike

    @Maggs – you point about the wheel is irrelevant.The point is, which you consistantly close you eyes to, is that colonialism brings certain advancements as the Brits found when they were conquered by the Romans.
    You cannot be selective in your arguments about colonialism.
    The issue here about land is that the cause of the biggest displacement and deaths of blacks in this country were the black tribal wars instigated by the Zulu’s themselves in which vast areas of the eastern side of South Africa including the site of Pretoria, was left uninhabited, and that is a fact.
    There is absolutely no doubt that the land that the Xhosa and Zullu occupied before the white man arrived was taken forcibly from the indigenous people living here and if you want proof of that then get off your fat arse and go hiking in the Drakensberg to the caves and see what the Bushman recorded in his paintings throughout KZN and the Transkei.
    Indeed the Matebele themselves originate from KZN.
    The problem with your blogs Maggs is that you open your mouth, so to speak,for the sake of opening it.
    Do you remember some months ago when I challanged you on what contributions the indian population had made to this country, so no surprises about the racist diatribe that emanated from that traffic cop incident in Newcastle.

  • Maggs Naidu – WHITE People stole ALL the land! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mike
    June 13, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Hey Mike,

    “The point is, which you consistantly close you eyes to, is that colonialism brings certain advancements as the Brits found when they were conquered by the Romans.”

    Ok – then by your rationale if Black people in South Africa, colonise ALL the land and assets of WHITE people have then WHITE people should ADVANCE.

    That a kinda nuanced summary of Pierre’s blog, albeit a bit extreme but it makes sense.

    p.s. Indian people made no, nada, zilch, nothing zilch contribution to this country (excepting the humble bunny chow which is now world famous – so famous that OBAMA is visiting here just to try that).

    But we still qualify for BEE, are generally very comfortably well off, can land our passenger planes in national key points and more – how do you explain that, eh (thanks Dworky)!

  • Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR?
  • Mike

    @Maggs – Colonisers are from foreign countries. Think again Maggs before opening your mouth with stupid comments and by the way Maggs I was born here so I dont consider myself a foreigner because I am white.

    The history of Africa is that of political ideology being used as a smoke screen for the theft of other peoples property and that includes intelectual property as well.
    Where have we seen this, look no futher than the ICT Kumba saga where goverment colluded in falsifying a mining license.
    Want more proof of this then go back to the Gupta saga because at the heart of that issue is corruption and fraud as we have seen with the Parastals being forced to buy the New Age newspaper.

  • Brett Nortje – The New South Africa COULD have worked! Unfortunately the ANC kept getting in the way.

    Brett Nortje – 19 years of ANC rule! Is South Africa FUBAR? says:
    June 13, 2013 at 9:51 am

    See Dr Mouse’s admirable series elucidation of the applicable law.

    http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/the-end-of-the-year/

    Anyone got the link to the Western Cape case?

  • Mike

    @khosi – You are silent on some of the issues raised.You opened the debate so lets see some response.
    Do you know who Julius Malema is, he is the modern day Nongqawuse prophet who belived that economic freedom for Xhosa’s would be achieved by slaughtereing all the cattle.
    Go and educate yourself instead listening to charlatans like Malema.

  • Maggs Naidu – WHITE People stole ALL the land! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mike
    June 13, 2013 at 10:03 am

    Hey Mike,

    Now you have me CONFUSED!

    #1 – “Think again Maggs before opening your mouth with stupid comments”

    I promise you that I am not opening my mouth with stupid comments. The only thing that comes out my mouth, apart from breath that is, when reading what you write is “huh?” (I admit that does sound like a stupid comment)

    #2 – “I was born here so I dont consider myself a foreigner”

    So when WHITE people came here to steal ALL the land (and resources) there were already Black people born here. But you implied earlier that the “Xhosa and Zullu” could not claim to be indigenous because their forebears were from Mapungubwe?

    Are there two sets of rules – one which applies to WHITE people (aka land stealers) and another for Black people (victims of the worst crime against humanity carried out by WHITE people)?

    #3 – “The history of Africa is that of political ideology being used as a smoke screen for the theft of other peoples property and that includes intelectual property as well.”

    I agree that WHITE people stole ALL of the property of Black people – now the DA (i.e. WHITE people) is even trying to steal Mandela’s legacy.

    #4 – “ICT Kumba saga”

    Don’t worry too much about that – it’s Indian people stealing from Indian people. Just to remind you that involves Accelor Mittal vs Guptas – they’ll work it out between themselves at the next IPL or some wedding or something.

    #5 – “Parastals being forced to buy the New Age newspaper.”

    You complained earlier that Indian people did not contribute ANYTHING to building South Africa. Now that Indian people are producing newsworthy news, informing South Africans, keeping everyone up to date with world wide developments, you complain.

    Eish – WHITE people are never satisfied.

  • Mike

    @Maggs – You have stated a number of times that whites stole the land. Well from who Maggs.
    The 1913 land Act has its origins in the Mfecane and dealt with the displacement of blacks by blacks on where blacks where living at the time.
    Dont come with this bullshit that the Nguni’s were peace loving people who were slaughtered like lambs by whites for their land.
    Their is no doubt that the black population in 1820 and before was a fraction of what it is today and that was before the Mfecane, and the impirical evidence is that the Nguni’s were subsistance farmers who did not emrbark on wide scale commercial farming hence they could never have occupied vast areas of the country.
    You are an opportunist my indian friend who is happy to exploit bullshit political ideology for your gain.

  • Brett Nortje – The New South Africa COULD have worked! Unfortunately the ANC kept getting in the way.

    What are you babbling about?

    Maggs Naidu – WHITE People stole ALL the land! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) says:
    June 13, 2013 at 10:28 am
    “(victims of the worst crime against humanity carried out by WHITE people)?”

  • Maggs Naidu – WHITE People stole ALL the land! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mike
    June 13, 2013 at 10:43 am

    Hey Mike,

    “You are an opportunist my indian friend who is happy to exploit bullshit political ideology for your gain.”

    Eish – and here I was thinking I was gonna outsmart you – I admit that you’re “clever past me”.

    But since you asked who WHITE people stole land from I’ll explain.

    WHITE people stole land from Black people but it didn’t end there.

    My grandparents bought STOLEN bush land in Roosfontein (now Queensborough) back in those decades. They established banana plantations to sell bananas at the market to WHITE monkeys. Then WHITE people stole the land from my grandparents (with a fancy term EXPROPRIATION). Then they sold other stolen land in Cato Manor to my family. Then they stole the land back in Cato Manor under another fancy term GROUP areas. Then they sold more stolen land in Riverside which they also stole under yet another fancy term RESETTLEMENT. Finally WHITE people were eying the newly established Overport, Asherville, Reservoir Hills, Red Hill, Isipingo, Morningside, with their beady WHITE eyes but democracy came.

    And WHITE people are very angry since they cannot steal back more of the land they stole and sold and stole and sold …

    Your ancestors were really CON ARTISTS, ne!

  • Brett Nortje – The New South Africa COULD have worked! Unfortunately the ANC kept getting in the way.

    What kind of compensation did they get?

    Maggs Naidu – WHITE People stole ALL the land! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) says:
    June 13, 2013 at 11:04 am

    My grandparents bought STOLEN bush land in Roosfontein (now Queensborough) back in those decades. They established banana plantations to sell bananas at the market to WHITE monkeys. Then WHITE people stole the land from my grandparents (with a fancy term EXPROPRIATION).

  • Maggs Naidu – WHITE People stole ALL the land! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – The New South Africa is WONDERFUL!
    June 13, 2013 at 11:08 am

    Brett,

    “What kind of compensation did they get?”

    Less than my relatives paid originally and less than it cost to buy a small stand in a “residential area” in each instance!

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!

    That is pretty damn disgusting.

    Pierre will justify it thus: Willing buyer, willing seller works…. if you have a lifetime to wait

    Maggs Naidu – More camp than Shrien Dewani’s wedding? (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) says:
    June 13, 2013 at 11:13 am

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!
  • Mike

    @Maggs – And what about Isipingo Beach where whites where forced to sell their land to indians.As I said your are an opportunist because the Nat policies worked both ways.
    But explain to me where black africans and this is what the 1913 land Act was about, owned land in general.
    I will give you a clue, it is called tribal trust trust land in the Transkei and Kwa-Zulu Natal where black africans in general owned fuck all land.

  • Maggs Naidu – WHITE People stole ALL the land! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mike
    June 13, 2013 at 12:04 pm

    Mike,

    “And what about Isipingo Beach where whites where forced to sell their land to indians”

    You’re a funny guy dude.

    The reason WHITE people wanted out of Isipingo was because Isipingo was on the flight path at the then airport – the noise, the fuel dumps (and shit too) was beneath the dignity of WHITE people!

  • khosi

    Thieves and their descendents can growl and be petulant all they like. The facts are simple and the time to return stolenware has come. People can take their farming implements with them and go where so ever they wish.

    There are many white people in this country who want to see fair and equitable harmony amongst races. We too, want to see that. The ones who want to continue the bondage of black people, really do not have a place in the non racial South Africa that we are building.

    I thank you!

  • Chris

    Maggs Naidu – WHITE People stole ALL the land! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) says:
    You can land your planes anywhere because you’ve got No. One on your side.

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!

    Funny. After Mugabe lost the 2000 referendum he offered his take of Christians in the circus to – how shall we put it – give his people what he thought they needed by way of bread and circusses.

    The cry among the ANCs supporters after 19 years of veering from one cluster to another is also for panem et circenses. During the municipal election the ANC had to scapegoat whites for their fukkups. Now their default promise is the same as Mugabe’s.

    Kleptocrats are so funny!

  • Maggs Naidu

    Mike

    June 13, 2013 at 10:03 am

    “@Maggs – Colonisers are from foreign countries”

    So Mike presumably you will volunteer to be colonised by people from Zimbabwe, DRC, Nigeria, Somalia, Pakistan, Western Cape?

  • beetle

    Has the Government finished its audit of state owned land, which must be a couple of years on the go?
    Does the Government exclude this land when working on its ownership redistribution?

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!

    Listen, Beetle, don’t come here with your tendencies your white tendencies!

    You know very well the land audit is not complete. You’re just being tjatjerag.

    Who says Gugile Nkwinti (or Khosi for that matter) has to make an informed decision when deciding Zimbabwean-style land-restitution is worth emulating?

  • Mike

    @MagGs- Isipingo was never on the flight path to Durban airport.In fact the area where I grew up being Athlone Park next door was directly on the flight to the extent that the Methodist Minister would stop preaching waiting for the Boeing’s to go over.
    Shows how much crap your talk because when Isipingo was declared an Indian area the airplanes in use were the Vickers Viscount and the Douglas Skymaster which do not make anywhere near the noise of the old 737-200 or for that matter the MD-8.

  • Mike

    @khosi – I am still waiting for a reply to some of the facts raised about black african occupation of the land.
    Prove to me that all the land occupied by the blacks by 1820 was not obtained by violent means and that your ancesters themselves were colonisers and the timing of when you the Nguni stole the land from the indigineous people.
    Prove to me that you were 55million black africans in 1820 as opposed to records showing no more than 5 million.
    Lets see if you have the balls for a debate about facts instead of vomiting up Julius Malema’s propaganda crap

  • Zoo Keeper

    Professor

    Holy fuck.

    You honestly know very little about the expropriation of land do you?

    The entire concept of expropriation is that land is forcefully sold from an individual to the State. The purpose behind expropriation legislation is to protect the individual from the abuse of the State. That is why compensation is mandated. Yes, it might not be the exact market value but that’s what valuers are for. Certainly the individual must not be prejudiced by the actions of the State. He must not be left penniless on the streets but pretty much int he same place he was.

    As for the alleged failure of land redistribution, you obviously have no idea of what you are talking about.

    I have had many brushes with the land redistribution mess and the mess is driven by the land claims commission. Often, farmers are all too keen to get everything over and done with. If there is a valid claim (there were many fraudulent claims) a price must be settled quickly and the ex-owner will move on with his life.

    However, what happens time after time is that a claim is lodged and prices are submitted and then FUCK ALL HAPPENS. The claimants know fuck all and so does the owner.

    Investment in the land stalls because of the uncertainty and everyone ends up losing – except the ANC who blame the willing buyer willing seller and ignoramuses like you believe it because then you can blame a white man.

    Willing buyer willing seller is a smokescreen for the failure of the commission to do its work. There are only a handful of claims left from the 1998 cut-off. Many have been paid out but have now squandered the money and want the land too.

    Expropriation has never, ever in a million years meant willing buyer willing seller. How you can conflate expropriation with normal market sales is extraordinary.

    Fuck sakes.

  • khosi

    @Mike,

    It seems to me that when you were born, they threw away the child and kept the placenta. With comments like the one at – June 13, 2013 at 16:17 pm – , there is absolutely no way you have a brain.

    Regards,

  • Maggs Naidu – WHITE People stole ALL the land! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mike
    June 13, 2013 at 16:08 pm

    Hey Mike,

    So Isipingo was not in the noise zone but Athlone Park, next door was?

    That’s cos the pilots knew that they had to direct the noise to the WHITE guys only – and cleverly they did!

    You can see it on Google Earth that the flight path is not over Isipingo – well visually it is, but pilots knew that they had to do the curvy S-bend thing to avoid noise polluting Indian people, sort of like Judge Motata’s driving after having a few cups of TEA.

    WHITE people were so kind, ne.

    It ought to have been colloquially called the Athlone Park Airport, not Isipingo Airport.

    So when WHITE people threw Indian people out of Riverside, Durban North, Berea, Lower Morningside for them to go live in Isipingo, they did it because?

    BTW Athlone park was not incorporated into Isipingo because it is on the beautiful beach which WHITE people chased us away from then.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Khosi

    “land is the very key to defeating joblessness and poverty”

    Khosi is right. I heard that the one thing that the unemployed refugees squatting in Zille’s cabriolet toilet-fields want most is a piece of land back in the Eastern Cape, where they will farm maize, tomatoes and unsalinated CHICKEN!

    Thanks.

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!

    Khosi might want to check with his paymasters in Harare about the 2 UN polls of poor people in Zimbabwe. They told the UN twice before the land invasions they want jobs not land.

    Now they are working in gardens in South Africa.

    And thanks to ANC policies, the signs in all the businesses say

    ‘AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!’

  • Maggs Naidu – WHITE People stole ALL the land! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Willing buyer, willing seller indeed – from “the land of the free”!

    Disgraced Pennsylvania judge Mark Ciavarella Jr has been sentenced to 28 years in prison for conspiring with private prisons to sentence juvenile offenders to maximum sentences for bribes and kickbacks which totaled millions of dollars. He was also ordered to pay $1.2 million in restitution.

    In the private prison industry the more time an inmate spends in a facility, the more of a profit is reaped from the state. Ciavearella was a figurehead in a conspiracy in the state of Pennsylvania which saw thousands of young men and women unjustly punished and penalized in the name of corporate profit.

    According to allgov.com Ciavearella’s cases from 2003 – 2008 were reviewed by a special investigative panel and later by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court and it was found that upwards of 5,000 young men and women were denied their constitutional rights, and therefore all of their convictions were dismissed and were summarily released.

    During his sentencing Ciavarella was defiant, claiming he had broken no laws and claimed the money he received was a legitimate ‘finder’s fee.’ Assistant U.S. Attorney Gordon Zubrod said comments such as these were typical of Ciavarella

    http://www.examiner.com/article/pennsylvania-judge-sentenced-to-28-years-prison-for-selling-teens-to-prisons

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    June 13, 2013 at 18:56 pm

    The joke is that according to the clowns like Khosi and Andile Mngxitama a bit of land subsistence farmed by peasants will help “solve poverty”. But nothing is further from the truth, even after Max du preez and Herr Mngxitama tried to make a hero of Robert Mugabe, the facts just won’t go away.

    “Mletshwa, like many smallholder farmers in the area, used to barter his excess produce to city dwellers in Bulawayo. Now he does not remember when he last had a full silo.

    “Now we find ourselves having to ask our children working in South Africa to send us mealie meal (maize meal),” he said.

    Lupane is one of numerous areas in Matebeleland, in the southwest of Zimbabwe, from which hundreds of young people have fled increasing hardship to seek employment outside the country, including as farm labourers in neighbouring South Africa and Botswana.

    But help finally may be on the way, as Zimbabwe’s government, hit by worsening food insecurity, moves to adopt more hands-on assistance to farmers, particularly those on small rain-fed plots of land.

    Last month, President Robert Mugabe launched the country’s first Food and Nutrition Security Policy, which aims to address climate change and other environmental problems that have vexed farmers like Mletshwa.

    EXPORTER TURNED IMPORTER

    The launch comes as the Zimbabwean government has asked Zambia for 150,000 tonnes of maize, a radical reversal of the situation before Zimbabwe’s chaotic land reform programme of 2000. Until that time, Zimbabwe had been a net food exporter, including to southern African countries such as Zambia.

    According to Mugabe, the new food security policy is a response to “recurrent and intermittent droughts” that have resulted in spiralling food prices and have left many Zimbabweans increasingly food insecure.”

    http://allafrica.com/stories/201306051441.html?aa_source=acrdn-f0

    And apparently this “drought” doesn’t hit next door Zambia or South Africa. Somehow miraculously.

  • Boertjie

    I am so sad for you, Prof de Vos.

    The fact that you are a prof shows me that you have a formidable intelligence.

    I am sad because, despite your phenomenal brain, you are a prisoner of your own obsession with apartheid and whites’ subsequent villainhood and blacks’ victimhood to such an extent that you are blind to how the obligation to correct past injustices is used as a pretext for advancing the ANC’s goals of ever-increasing state-control and black nationalism as dictated by their driving ideology known as the National Democratic Revolution.

    Not to mention why the erosion (chose that word very specifically) of secure property rights undermines our already fragile economy. Just go read up on the SAIRR’s website.

    I weep for you, Prof de Vos.

    (BTW, how many people in SA is interested in farming?)

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Same thing here.

    90% of “land reform” programmes are a disaster. Our productive farmers have dwindled from 60 000 in 1994 to what 30 000 now – i have been told we are on the margin of also importing food now – but if it is not the weather or global warming it must be the white people fault. It is a fucking shame.

    “The ANC in Gauteng kicked off its election campaign in Midvaal on Sunday by conducting door-to-door visits.

    Provincial chairperson Paul Mashatile visited three farming communities in the area.

    The residents complained about a lack of service delivery in the Democratic Alliance-run municipality.

    Twenty-nine families living on an abandoned chicken farm said they had had no electricity or sanitation for the past four years.

    The farm was no longer in operation. The farmer had left for Malawi.

    A woman living on the farm told Mashatile she had no toilet, no electricity and no work.

    She said a DA ward councillor had told residents the municipality could not supply water to a privately-owned property.

    According to the residents, the municipality had cut off their electricity and had demolished the septic tank for their toilets.

    African National Congress provincial spokesperson Nkeke Kekana said the municipality was “trying to push them [residents] out.”

    He said the biggest challenge was creating jobs and getting the farm operational again.”

    http://news.iafrica.com/sa/861308.html

    Another productive farm fucked beyond repair and now a miserable dump where unemployed squatters are eking out a meagre existence and again blaming it on the government.

    So much for land will help “solve poverty”.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Tiny Farmer

    “BTW, how many people in SA is interested in farming?”

    You can count me as one who is fascinated in agriculture. And so too are most of our people — whom, I am told, would rather cultivate crops on their own fertile plots near East London than sit round waiting for “Botox” Zille to assign them unpleasant jobs spraying raw sewage in provincial building!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    khosi
    June 13, 2013 at 12:38 pm

    “There are many white people in this country who want to see fair and equitable harmony amongst races. We too, want to see that. The ones who want to continue the bondage of black people, really do not have a place in the non racial South Africa that we are building.”

    LOL. Please don’t talk kak. You never wanted to build a “nonracial” South Africa. It was a BIG LIE you told to get White people too accept the new South Africa – and to hand over power voluntarily so you can impose your NDR, African domination on “the others” i.e the “colonialists”, the Indians and the Coloureds.

    The only White, Coloured and Indian people who
    still vote for your African Nationalist party is the corrupt ones that bribe you and give you money, and of course the extremely stupid ones like maggs.

  • Mau

    @khosi,

    My colonial grandparents made a grand mess landing here on the southern point of Africa. Clearly they came with their screwed religion and technology such that we need to spend R208 million on Nkandla so that Zuma at least can feel better about apartheid. R800 per month is a little on the high end, but when we expropriate all the land and give everyone their Nkandla we could maybe get this down to a more reasonable monthly stipend.

    But khosi, I have a interesting dilemma. Having studied my genealogy it turns out that many of the not so white slaves and locals made for good sex and so my lilly whitishness is deceptive, you see I’m not so white at all. I count plenty Khoi & San in my ancestors. Yes like most Afrikaners I’m pretty infused with black. Fancy that!!!?

    What does this mean then? How many non whites will be enough for you such that I’m also due for a handout of a little land. Trying to work out if that nice piece of land next to Pierre’s pozzy in Houtbaai is not what should be expropriated to pay for what my black lost when my white family came and stole their land!!!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Mau
    June 13, 2013 at 21:36 pm

    Good point. I know for a fact that at least some of my ancestors were dispossessed in the South African war and ended up in Jhb slums barely surviving in utmost poverty. I assume if we take it back past 1913 and I do some research I may be able to put in a claim?

    What do they mean with “indigenous” people in that bill?

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!

    You silly play-socialists and the silly-azz ‘progressives’ like De Vos have to shoulder your share of the blame for entertaining their bullshit….But….

    This could have been THE AFrican success story. This is the country which hosted the world cups. Made a credible play at hosting the Olympics.

    The country which could have. All the mineral wealth. The infrastructure the ANC inherited. The world’s goodwill.

    But the ANC couldn’t get over themselves. Had to drag it azzwards. Embittered by failure. The ANC fukked it up. The most powerful economy in Africa. They almost built 2 universities in 20 years. Had to increase passrates by 30% fail thresholds. Symbolic of their government. Mbeki fukked it up. Zupta is delighting playing in the debris. Making sure nothing is salvageable. Like Samora Machel; Like Mugabe fukked it up. Like Neto and dos Santos. Like Kaunda fukked it up. Like Kenyatta and Arap Moi. Like the Great (LOL!)Mwalimu. Just one long track record of clusterfukks. And still they believe their own bullshit.

    The joke is on us. We told ourselves ‘FFS! It is the dawn of the 21st century.’

    The ANC can’t even haul azz into the 20th. If we’d shown a bit of guts and a bit of ruthlessness the ANC would be piles of bleaching bones in the Angolan and Tanzanian bush with here and there a viable strand of HIV DNA. WIthout us even having to lift a finger to speed the process.

    Viva moral white people VIVA!

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!

    While wankers like Khosi are babbling nationalisation this is how our
    better-run neighbour views its mining sector:

    http://www.miningweekly.com/article/botswana-sharpening-nondiamond-mining-incentives-2013-06-11

    By: Martin Creamer
    11th June 2013

    GABORONE (miningweekly.com) – Botswana was continuing to review
    its minerals legislative framework to attract nondiamond miners
    to the heavily diamond-dependent country, its Geological Survey
    Department director Tiyapo Ngwisanyi said on Tuesday.
    Opening the tenth Botswana Resource Sector Conference, Ngwisanyi
    said that Botswana’s immediate economic concern was to lessen its
    dependence on diamonds through a fiscal regime for nondiamond
    minerals, which was predictable, had low royalty rates and a
    competitive variable-rate income tax formula.

    To make Botswana a more investor-friendly country, the government
    was continuing to review pieces of legislation such as the Income
    Tax Act, the Mines and Minerals Act and the Diamond Cutting and
    Polishing Act.

    “It’s through this attractiveness that we aim to entice companies
    to search for nondiamond minerals in the hope that this will lead
    to a broadening of the mineral production base of Botswana,”
    Ngwisanyi said.

    Like economic diversification, this too was a long process as not
    all exploration succeeded in finding mineral deposits that were
    economic and justified further development into producing mining
    projects.

    While the adverse global economic situation had in the past
    conspired against significant exploitation of Botswana’s
    nondiamond mineral endowment, it was gratifying to see that
    situation had changed for, particularly, coal, of which there was
    a resource of 212-billion tons, part of which was being
    transformed into reserves through ongoing private-sector
    exploration.

    Snip

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!
    June 13, 2013 at 23:42 pm

    You still don’t quite get socialism. It has nothing to de with De Vos obsession with race and identity politics or the ANC’s complementary racial nationalism. Simple example – in a modern socialists state you don’t dump a bunch of peasants on a plot and tell them to survive by subsistence farming. The only reason these fools want to do that is to maximise the racial mobalisation and to lock in rural vote.

    No – you nationalise and mechanise the countries resources to achieve maximum production but under the worker’s control.

  • khosi

    To my fellow bloggers!

    Let me briefly deal with this white-Afrikaner notion that black people who are ‘not’ of Khoi or San ilk, should not claim the lands as originally theirs.

    Firstly, the Khoi and the San are as African as any of the African tribes that exist on this great continent, including Ngunis, Sotho, Pedis etc. That the Khoi&San have a different cultural inclination and preservation to other, does not make them less or more African.

    Europeans stole lands from Africans, while maiming, killing and enslaving Africans and their way of life. Finish and Klaar. The struggle against colonialism was to liberate all African people, in equal measure. It did not matter whether they were Khoi, Nguni, Igbo, Dinka, Omo etc. All of Africas people had been raped and mutilated by the barbaric actions of colonialists in equal measure.

    So, colonial apologists should stop picking African tribes, from one another, in other to serve narrow neo-colonial interests.

    Secondly,some amongst us are so ignorant that they do no stop to ask one simple question. Why is it that the Nguni (and the Sotho) language has so much click in its dialect? Why is the lexis and the phonetics of these languages so similar to the Khoi&San languages?

    The only plausible explanation that I can think of is that these languages are the descendants of the Khoi&San language. Descendants who, through the marriage of different African cultures, started to sound a bit differently.

    I am not too sure if it possible for languages to descend, in this manner, without the same happening to the people who speak those languages.

    So, please stop segregating the Khoi and the San, from the rest of Africans, for the sole purpose of dividing Africans to your own privileged narrow self-interests.

    Then there is a group of people who come and claim that in their privileged ‘whiteness’ there is Khoi&San genetics in them. This they openly (almost boastfully) admit that it is from the barbaric behavior of their ancestors who forced their starved minute apparatuses into our grandmothers. They then claim that, because of this vile act by rogued scamps, they are qualified to demand their continued privilege and, along with them, so is the rest of the descendants of those who canoodled them inspite of their known, but shamefully concealed, aberration.

    This type of reasoning does not deserve further engagement.

    Regards,

  • Mike

    @khosi – If you are under the impression you can unravel the Gordian knot of history you are welcome to try. I am happy to restore you to what you were before the white man arrived because you would end up without your cell phone BMW, medical care, education etc.
    So please lobby for a return to the mud hut as i am sure that can be accomodated.
    Yoy can legislate privilage like AA and BEE, but you cannot legislate the entitlement to knowledge and skill which was the catalyst that the white brought in developing this countries economy.
    The arguement from people like yourselves is that what South Africa was at 1994, existed before the white settlers arrived, that could never be further from the truth and if your ancesters had no knowledge of discovering the biggest gold deposits in history that is simply confirmation that you did benefit from colonialisation.

  • Maggs Naidu – WHITE People stole ALL the land! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    khosi
    June 14, 2013 at 7:03 am

    Hey Khosi,

    “Then there is a group of people who come and claim that in their privileged ‘whiteness’ there is Khoi&San genetics in them. This they openly (almost boastfully) admit that it is from the barbaric behavior of their ancestors who forced their starved minute apparatuses into our grandmothers. They then claim that, because of this vile act by rogued scamps, they are qualified to demand their continued privilege and, along with them, so is the rest of the descendants of those who canoodled them inspite of their known, but shamefully concealed, aberration.”

    You sound like a reasonable, normal person.

    But it baffles the mind that you can write such utter crap.

    You really should go for a mental review.

    In case you’re wondering why I think that consider that you are now attacking the children, grand children, great grandchildren … of the women who suffered the indignity (or otherwise) of the sexual antics of the colonisers.

    Do go for a brain scan soon.

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!

    OBS – don’t tell me I don’t get socialism – I have a low tolerance for bullshit at the best of times. I get socialism all too well.

    Read the fucking article about Botswana again!

    The reason you see signs saying ‘AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!’ everywhere under ANC rule is that investors don’t have confidence the ANC can pull ass and finger in opposite directions and do the fucking job they take the money for.
    Under those conditions putting your money down is called g-a-m-b-l-i-n-g.

    Investors are not allowed to do that with other people’s money. (Of course, the ANC is not constrained from gambling with OPM not having a sense of decency nor shame.)

    You nationalise people’s private assets? Why the fuck would anyone invest a cent in this country again and risk the same thing happening to them?

    Are you barking mad?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Maggs Naidu – WHITE People stole ALL the land! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    June 14, 2013 at 8:31 am

    Maggs. As I have told you bother this is unadulterated fascism. It is RACISM to the extreme – the notion of blood purity, nativism, etc all along the Nazi refrain. And all South Africans, no matter what their race or ethnicity should understand what Khosi, and many in the ANC including some chaps in top positions actually believe. This is also the line of thinking in Zimbabwe’s socalled “indigenisation laws”, similar to our “transformation” btw that by definition exclude White Zimbabweans.

    And this is also the letter and the spirit of this word “indigenous” as in the new land policy legislation. Those boers who have been here for three/four centuries now are not deemed “indigenous”, they are “the others” and the status of Coloureds and Indian – well as usual nobody even bothers to talk about that.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    khosi
    June 14, 2013 at 7:03 am

    Thank you for your post Khosi.

    You know where we stand in relation to each other. Let there be no more mistakes or misunderstandings from now on as happened in 1994.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!
    June 14, 2013 at 8:52 am

    “You nationalise people’s private assets?”

    But land is not a “private asset”. Much like the air we breath. Land belongs to all the people of South Africa and it should be beneficiated to feed the nation.

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!

    If you have nothing to do this afternoon why don’t you come ‘beneficiate’ my yard?

    Toe? Bullet has never had a live bite and I want to see what he’ll do….

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!

    Eish? How about those Mozambicans ‘beneficiating’ the KrugerNP?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    @khosi:

    “Then there is a group of people who come and claim that in their privileged ‘whiteness’ there is Khoi&San genetics in them.”

    @pdv and White liberals:

    http://mg.co.za/article/2011-09-12-inherited-or-earned-advantage

    “The racialised reading of Guptagate is itself symptomatic of a deeper social failure. Various forms of anti-racist or non-racial politics were developed in the struggles against apartheid. From the black consciousness movement, to the trade union movement and, in at least some parts of the country, the United Democratic Front, forms of political identity were forged that were not rooted in narrow conceptions of race or ethnicity. But these forms of political identity are whithering away.One reason for their decline was the multi-racialism, a racialising discourse, that the ANC brought into the country after 1990. Another is the pseduo-liberal multi-culturalism, another racialising discourse, to which many white institutions turned to legitimate themselves without having to give up on their investment in whiteness. And with none of the major political parties taking a credibly pro-poor position the promise of democracy hasn’t been realised in the manner that many people had hoped. The DA and the ANC are both able to engage in systemic, illegal and violent denial of people’s basic rights without consequence.”

    http://allafrica.com/stories/201305280574.html?page=2

  • Gwebecimele
  • Zoo Keeper

    Khosi

    Educate yourself.

    The Nguni tribes originate in northern Uganda – there you will find the Bantu tribe who speak a remarkably similar language. The Nguni tribes migrated down the eastern seaboard, reaching approximately the old Ciskei region by the time they ran into whites.

    The Xhosa have more clicks than the Zulu as they were in front of the Zulu and engaged the Khoi and San more frequently. On the cliffs of the battlefield where Shaka brilliantly defeated Zwide there are Khoi and San paintings. They were there until the Zulu wiped them out and took their hunting lands during their migrations.

    Coloureds, Khoi and San are actively discriminated against by the ANC and black nationalists like you. Why else does the ANC refuse to acknowledge them as the original South Africans.

    Your post is a lie to try and appropriate a heritage you do not have.

    In light of our complex history, why do the invaders who came over the land have more rights than the invaders who came over the sea – at largely the same time?

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!

    Especially since ‘the white invaders from across the sea’ have contributed so much and subsidized so often during the time they’ve been here?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Yep – censorship kicks in again.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Zoo Keeper
    June 14, 2013 at 10:56 am

    This sort of obsession with ancient history and all sorts of selective, mostly anachronistic narratives is very dangerous and is not in the best interest of anybody now. The history of South Africa is complex and nobody holds a monopoly on the truth. Moore importantly, nobody who is alive today can be held accountable for something that happened in 1652.

    Last thing we really need is for b*ers to start demanding the reinstatement of the B*er Republics, or Zulus demanding a independent Zulu Kingdom, or the Khoi demanding that we all fuck off back to where ever we came from. But this is inevitably where this “who is indigenous” discourse will be leading to and why I reject the use of that controversial and polarizing word in our land legislation.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Ah – offending word apparently – B*er Republics.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Gwebe

    I notice that Mr Zuma has attacked Mazibuko for depicting Nelson Mandela as a “smooth African.”

    Please explain. Is a “smooth African” the same thing as a “clever black”? Or is this rather a reference to what Grace Jones once referred to as “smooth operator”?

    Thanks.

  • Bleh

    Step 1. Give back all the land.

    Step 2. Wait a few years

    Step 3. Buy back the land for almost nothing

    Whats the problem?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    June 14, 2013 at 11:56 am

    I don’t know what prez Zuma was smoking. He obviously didn’t compare notes with Khosi first.

    Jacob Zuma: Afrikaners the only white African tribe

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Bnp72Tft8

  • Maggs Naidu – WHITE People stole ALL the land! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – Working together we can do more!
    June 14, 2013 at 11:28 am

    Hey Brett,

    “Especially since ‘the white invaders from across the sea’ have contributed so much and subsidized so often during the time they’ve been here?”

    So WHITE people are like the kind robbers who leave you tickets for the concert in Sun City – and when you get back home, your goods have been, er, colonised?

  • Maggs Naidu – WHITE People stole ALL the land! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    And meanwhile back at the Concourt, another “duh!” for Zuma.

    The Constitutional Court found that, in reaching his decision, Zuma had “purported to exercise powers not conferred on him by the provisions of the old act”. It ordered him to pay costs.

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2013/06/14/concourt-overturns-zuma-s-king-of-the-amampondo-aseqawukeni-decision

  • Maggs Naidu – I am STILL a cuntish troll that adds NO fucking value! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    For I’m a jolly big cunt
    And so say all of us
    And so say all of us
    For I’m a jolly big cunt

  • Maggs Naidu – WHITE People stole ALL the land! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Terence – your lawyer called …

  • Zoo Keeper

    Khosi’s only point is this:

    “We’re in the majority and so we are right.”

    The Professors point is simply this:

    “White people are bad because they have white skins and owe black people everything. But I’m not giving up my job for a black person.”

  • Gwebecimele
  • Gwebecimele

    Dworky

    Many in the ANC are having their eyes on Mazibuko?

    Wait until they see Mbali Ntuli the DA youth leader.

    http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2013/06/14/alleged-sexist-remarks-against-da-s-mazibuko?filter=all_comments

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!

    Maggs Naidu – More camp than Shrien Dewani’s wedding? (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com) says:
    June 14, 2013 at 13:21 pm

    If I found out you had tickets for this weekend’s concert I’d be very, very jealous!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Zoo Keeper
    June 14, 2013 at 13:48 pm

    “White people are bad because they have white skins and owe black people everything. But I’m not giving up my job for a black person.”

    I have already given up my job for a black person, I actually trained a bunch of other black people to do my job as well. LOL. Don’t know what make PdV special – that he cannot do the same.

    So I sit here still paying my taxes like a good honest patriotic citizen, while its seems it gets stolen as soon as it hits the SARS account. However my white boys may not get into university because they are the wrong colour, “heteronormal”, raised by a white patriarch, they will not even be considered for the cadet program at SAA because they are the wrong color and or gender, so pretty much everywhere else for that matter, I do not have a passport to England or Holland, and if I dare start a business I must also employ mostly black people. And Khosi calls my ancestors “vile and barbaric” and still refers to me as a colonist. I will never get to see the land the British stole from my “vile and barbaric” forefathers either, cause I’m not “indigenous” enough. However, whenever I open a newspaper or a NGO website run by these White liberals I’m told how “privileged” and racist I am because of my gender and my skin color. I mean WTF.

    Fuck knows what I’m supposed to do now. Perhaps Glen Agliotti have some tips.

    http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/agliotti-it-was-me-or-selebi-1.1532226

    These days, Agliotti is determined to get on with his own life.

    “I’ve always been a hustler. For someone who lacked education, my talent for convincing people has been my meal ticket, even though it also contributed to situations I’ve found myself in. I’ve blurred the lines and found myself on the wrong side of the law, but I’ve paid for my transgressions.” He is now involved in joint ventures in gold and iron ore mining in Kenya, Zimbabwe, Botswana and Zambia. “To the South African public, I’ll always be Glenn Agliotti – convicted drug dealer. I don’t waste time wallowing in regret. I’m a survivor.”

  • khosi

    To my fellow bloggers,

    I would like to, again, ask that people stop segregating Africans. An African is an African is an African. That is where it begins and that is where it ends. Whether Africans, like all people, have waged wars on each other, or not, it does not matter. Africans from the tip of the Cape to the coast of Tunisia, are Africans.

    Europeans are as African as Africans are European. That is the end of it.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Khosi

    “I would like to, again, ask that people stop segregating Africans:

    Khosi is right, again.

    Yet I have to same query for you, Khosi, as I posed for Gwebs. Do you deem yourself (to use Mr Zuma’s terms), a:

    (a) “Clever Black”

    (b) “Smooth African”

    (c) Both

    (d) Neither?

    Thanks.

  • khosi

    Maggs Naidu – WHITE People stole ALL the land! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    June 14, 2013 at 8:31 am

    Generally, I ignore your hideous breath because I am of the opinion that you are stupid. I may be wrong but I doubt it. I am responding this particular post because I do not think your stupidity is at play this time. I think you misunderstood me.

    I am merely responding to what Mau said on June 13, 2013 at 21:36 pm

    Using Mau’s thought frame, every white person can simple claim to have Khoi blood in them. And then the status quo is maintained. We will not allow for that. This frame also make the mistake that the exact piece of land that was stolen from (e.g.) the Mkhize clan is unaccounted for. That is rubbish. We know the lands that were stolen from us. We are not thumbsucking. I drive past the farms that were that were taken from my grandmother whose very mother was a San beauty.

    To be very clear, white privilege must be done away with. All people must be put on the same prosperity level. Those who were, and continue to be, privileged by the sheer accident of the pigment of their skin must understand that humanity needs this leveling of prosperity.

    And then these maggots have the audacity to tell us that they will take away “their” technology. Let them tell you where “their” technology would be without Pythagoras. Let them then tell you where Pythagoras would be without the great universities of Mali and other places in North Africa. At that time, there were NO universities in Europe. The very same is true of Hippocrates.

    Also, remind them that the numbering system 0123456789, was devised by people of Arab and Indian descent in north Africa. Ask them where “their” technology be without this invention?

    Kind Regards,

  • khosi

    Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder
    June 14, 2013 at 15:25 pm

    Who and what I am cannot be reduced to a multiple choice question. If it could, I would not be an African. I am so multifaceted, only an essay would suffice. That is the plurality that many of these privileged classes seem to fail to understand.

    :-)

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    khosi
    June 14, 2013 at 15:26 pm

    “Who and what I am cannot be reduced to a multiple choice question. If it could, I would not be an African.”

    But the Europeans and the Indians and the Arabs are simplistic one-dimensional beasts who forced their starved minute apparatuses into your grandmothers?

  • Mau

    khosi
    June 14, 2013 at 7:03 am

    “Firstly, the Khoi and the San are as African as any of the African tribes that exist on this great continent, including Ngunis, Sotho, Pedis etc. That the Khoi&San have a different cultural inclination and preservation to other, does not make them less or more African.”

    “Then there is a group of people who come and claim that in their privileged ‘whiteness’ there is Khoi&San genetics in them. This they openly (almost boastfully) admit that it is from the barbaric behavior of their ancestors who forced their starved minute apparatuses into our grandmothers. They then claim that, because of this vile act by rogued scamps, they are qualified to demand their continued privilege and, along with them, so is the rest of the descendants of those who canoodled them inspite of their known, but shamefully concealed, aberration.”

    “Khoi and the San are as African as any of the African tribes that exist”

    Glad we agree at least on this point, but you seem to miss the point that I’m a descendent of Khoi & San and now I’m confused. I thought I could be rightfully proud of this, but now you seem to indicate that I should be ashamed?

    Maybe you can clarify?

    In your opinion, how much Khoi and the San in my blood would qualify me as African? 2% 16% 50% 100%

    Does the fact that my black grandmothers were raped 6 generations ago by my white grandfathers in the 1600 hundreds really not qualify me for any privilege to be here at all? Not even a little bit?

    Possibly it is worth considering that just like some of my European grandfathers had children with local Khoi & San grandmothers, so some of my Khoi & San grandfathers had children with some of my European grandmothers. Don’t make the mistake of thinking those that lived 100’s of years ago had the same consideration or thinking that we have today. Your myopic racism for instance assuming that when a white and black has sex that it is rape may just possibly be your own clouded thinking based on your experience of our world today?

    I can’t say I have proof that any of these liaisons was rape, but in any case, I don’t know how this is relevant 400 years later?

    I would think that since my black grandfathers had ginormous apparatuses that they put into our grandmothers this would maybe help my cause? Would this make me any more deserving of a place in Africa? Not even a tiny one?

    It seems to me you should go and do some thinking this weekend. The world is not exactly as it seems really and just maybe the white man isn’t so white and NON-belonging as you make him out to be?

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Khosi, with respect, I think you are being too modest. You contributions to this debate demonstrate that you would fit within Mr Zuma’s categorisation of a “clever black.”

    Thanks.

  • Maggs Naidu – WHITE People stole ALL the land! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    khosi
    June 14, 2013 at 15:26 pm

    Hey Khosi – my hideous breath is indeed an accurate predictor of my stupidity.

    And it’s that stupidity which prevents me from interpreting accurately what you meant when you wrote :

    “This they openly (almost boastfully) admit that it is from the barbaric behavior of their ancestors who forced their starved minute apparatuses into our grandmothers”

    especially given that you now say :

    “Your myopic racism for instance assuming that when a white and black has sex that it is rape may just possibly be your own clouded thinking based on your experience of our world today?

    I can’t say I have proof that any of these liaisons was rape, but in any case, I don’t know how this is relevant 400 years later? ”

    It seems to me that those are contradictory, but I’m pretty sure your smart with will be able to explain.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Mau
    June 14, 2013 at 15:48 pm

    “I would think that since my black grandfathers had ginormous apparatuses that they put into our grandmothers this would maybe help my cause?”

    Fokkof. I’m a dutchmen an I’m pretty well hung, thank you very much. That is another reason that [some] Africans [the ones with the very small penises] hate us Afrikaners with such passion. Besides for the fact that we are also indigenous and NOBODY will ever take that away from us. Not Khosi, not Julius Malema, not the fokken “nonracial” ANC, not Andile Mngxitama – they have all tried and failed rather spectacularly before.

  • Mau

    Haha Ozone.. Maybe your endowment come from your own Koi & San parents?

  • Zoo Keeper

    How long does one have to reside in a place to be indigenous to that place?

    If you are born in a place and live there you are indigenous to that place surely? If someone migrates to your place they will find you already there and observe that you are indigenous to the area.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Mau
    June 14, 2013 at 16:07 pm

    Censorship 123…testing.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Can’t post more than one line now. Worse than twitter.

  • Maggs Naidu – WHITE People stole ALL the land! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mau
    June 14, 2013 at 15:48 pm

    Hey Mau,

    Stop confusing Khosi.

    He spends his spare time counting … BOYS!

    He’s stopped at 83 cos he cannot count more than that – his brain just cannot cope with the next number.

  • Dmwangi

    This is a deeply troubling topic given the gravity of the historical injustice in relation to what remedies are realistically available within the limitations of a complex, modern, globally interconnected economy. I wonder if Rawls’ “difference principle” is apropos. To wit, the inheritors of wealth– as opposed to poor whites who succeeded post-1994 through entrepreneurial industriousness– can keep their riches but only to the extent that doing so redounds more net benefit to Africans than confiscation would. In cases where the long-term net harm of maintaining the status quo outweighs the harm of expropriation, the latter is the appropriate course. Thus, it is redistributional without being punitive or creating disincentives; strongly remedial without ignoring the consequent realities of Zim economics.

    It should also be pointed out to some here that the ANC has lower marginal tax rates (by ~20%) than the ‘Nats did. ANC has hardly been the redistribution machine some paint it as.

  • makeitso

    @Khosi and others…
    All modern humans originated in Africa :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_African_origin_of_modern_humans
    So after wondering around Europe for a few thousand years my forefathers decided to come back home.
    Boy were they in for a surprise when they got back. They discovered that the guys they left behind had done nothing since they left.
    They were just the same living from hand to mouth. Fortunately while wondering the northern hemisphere
    they had learned a few things which the gladly shared with their long lost relatives who at the time thought it was great… until greed got in the way.
    And since then the squabbling has not stopped.

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!

    What ‘historical injustice’, Mwangi?

    Black people ought to pass the hat around for a ‘thank you’ gift for that “complex, modern, globally interconnected economy”….

    ‘Confiscation’ is not the one-way street you think. Wish I had 10c for every black person on their knees right now giving thanks that they were born in South AFrica rather than, say, Kenya!

  • Maggs Naidu – God made WHITE people from MUD! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    makeitso
    June 14, 2013 at 17:23 pm

    Hey Makeitso,

    You’re talking about humans and WHITE people – they are not the same.

    Humans evolved over billions of years.

    God made WHITE man from mud (mainly) then it introduced these dudes to some nice buxom Neanderthal ladies.

    The result – Brett, OB, Dmwangi!

  • Maggs Naidu – God made WHITE people from MUD! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!
    June 14, 2013 at 17:36 pm

    Hey Brett,

    “Wish I had 10c for every black person on their knees right now giving thanks that they were born in South AFrica rather than, say, Kenya!”

    Well there’s one Black person (and hundreds of millions of others as a result) who’s happy that he was not born in Kenya.

  • Zulani

    @Pierre
    Mudslingers (or Shit slingers in the Western Cape) are taking over your blog. It must be possible to block those not fit for a blog on law.

  • Dmwangi

    Brett:

    How did you become so morally infantile? Was it a progression or lack there of?

    I seriously doubt that if an alien civilization with superior technology landed at your door and said, “Behold, out of the kindness of our hearts we will allow you to use our gadgetry. But since you are inferior, you no longer have any rights, will work for us, live where we tell you, do as your told, and surrender your property at our request,” you’d respond with a polite “Thank you.”

    The fact that you think because the scientific revolution’s inflection point began during the Enlightenment European culture is special or that since certain cultures have higher GDPs than others they are morally superior, illuminates your own stunted moral reasoning. Scientific knowledge or abundance of material accoutrements tells us almost nothing of worth about individuals, cultures, or civilizations.

  • beetle

    Dmwangi: Regarding paying less taxation under the ANC.

    I pull more than my weight because:

    I pay for all my medical care [Adrian Gore is my Minister of Health]
    I pay ADT for my policing
    I pay exorbitantly for schooling/ education
    I pay dstv because the SABC is fucked, – although I am obliged to pay for a licence [...and so do many shack dwellers - go count the dishes!]
    I pay my electricity, water and sewerage on a penalised sliding scale. I don’t steal electricity.

    I am, therefore far less of a burden on state coffers.
    I am neither wealthy or privileged. I am just trying to stay one jump ahead of murder, rape, dumbed down schooling and death by TV.

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!

    What the hell kind of name is ‘Zulani’?

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!

    Mwangi, if you want to engage with me please remove head from rectum?

    Do you think the people fleeing British occupation to the hinterland subjugated sophisticated Rechtstaats? What rights do you think the people they found had? What rights do you think the people fleeing British occupation to the hinterland had? What property did they have? What property did they take?

    Since the topic of this blog is related to the 1913 Land Act (a topic on which De Vos steadfastly refuses to do any research or publish anything) what do you expect the first Union Government to have done being confronted with formal land registration in some parts of the country and just plain SFA in other? A handful of years after the Bambatha rebellion?

    Encourage free-for-all?

  • Dmwangi

    “Do you think the people fleeing British occupation to the hinterland subjugated sophisticated Rechtstaats? What rights do you think the people they found had? What rights do you think the people fleeing British occupation to the hinterland had? What property did they have? What property did they take?”

    Sophisticated Rechtstaats are irrelevant. To cite Kant’s “Perpetual Peace,” — the same author who developed the notion of Rechtstaat to begin with– they had naturally occuring rights as consequence of the kind of beings they are; namely ones with reason and freedom.

    “what do you expect the first Union Government to have done being confronted with formal land registration in some parts of the country and just plain SFA in other? A handful of years after the Bambatha rebellion?”

    Er, some semblance of an attempt to create a political community with a notion of distributive justice that applied to all members of the being Homo sapiens?

    I’m afraid you’re a lost cause. Without your revisionist history and obtuse rationalisations, you’d have nothing left to justify your sense of megalothymia.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Dmwangi
    June 14, 2013 at 18:15 pm

    “Scientific knowledge or abundance of material accoutrements tells us almost nothing of worth about individuals, cultures, or civilisations.”

    true. otherwise the British would have totally exterminated us boers.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    The first Afrikaners.

    http://nuwegeskiedenis.co.za/Deel-1-Hoofstuk-2-Die-opkoms-van-die-nuwe-gemeenskappe-Die-Afrikaners-Page-Title/

    “Die vier was nie net wanordelik nie maar aangeklam. By die Kompanjie se meul, het hulle met “talle vloekwoorde” die skale rondgegooi. Die meulenaar het hulle tevergeefs in toom probeer hou. Toe Starrenburg, ’n belese Duitser wat die klassieke werke goed geken het, daar
    aankom, het hy hulle berispe, ’n 17-jarige jeugdige met sy wandelstok geslaan en hulle beveel om die perseel te verlaat. Hendrik Biebouw het geskree: “Ik wil niet loopen, ’k ben een Africaander al slaat die landrost mijn dood, of al setten hij mij in den tronk. Ik sal, nog wil niet swijgen.”

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    And in the spirit of young Hendrik Bienouw I just want to say:

    Fuck the world, fuck the ANC, fuck the United Nations, fuck Jackie Selebi, fuck his Mafia friends, fuck Julius Selema, fuck Pireretjie De Vos and his gay brigade of white apologist Robert Mugabe nigger-cock-sucking fantacists,

    yeah fuck you all.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue
  • Paul Kearney

    Eish, this PDivvy blogger up is turning into a cross between the New Age (ANC Daily), News24 and IOL.

    A little more seriously I broadly agree with the process and sympathise with land claimants; even as a farm owner. Even Khosi; Mad Mags’ “banana plantation” I’m not so sure about. Probably more like a dagga plantation. Come now Mags, you know the old stories; you charo’s were brought here to cut the grass and plant the cane now you smoke the grass and drink the cane – we should have cut the cane ourselves etc.

    But I understand how both sides, seller and claimant get frustrated. I even feel for the relatively few honest and hard working officials who work for the Land Claims Commission. If PDivvy was objective, did a little research and wasn’t driven by having to be a toady to Baas Blade and Baas Mogoba and pump out a race hate blog every other week, even he would have worked out that the problem is corruption and delivery. Reading the race hate comments his inflammatory blog draws out must give PDivvy a warped sense of satisfaction for obeying His Master’s Voice. It makes me sad.

    My view is that the Commission exists only to provide employment and opportunities for corruption for high level cadres. The longer it can stay in existence the better for them.

    Very seriously, I know this from being on both sides of the fence. Many of the owners who resist do so because there is no valid claim, those that go along with the process, but without some crooked facet, find it takes forever plus a day or two. With the foot dragging comes racial polarisation, egged on by opportunists like PDivvy and then no doubt bloodshed, with probably more coming.

    And the likes of PDivvy will fold his soft white hands over his little pot belly and contemplate on a job well done. Very like Herr Goebbels used to do I imagine.

  • Maggs Naidu – Go tell your granny! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Paul Kearney
    June 15, 2013 at 5:58 am

    Hey Paul,

    “we should have cut the cane ourselves etc”

    Ha – WHITE people did not have the technology to cut the cane. Guns, the BIBLE and forked tongues are useless farming implements.

    Anyway, I don’t really care that my grandparents property was taken away, as sad as it was for them – everyone’s moved on now.

    But denying that really awful things were done, families and communities torn apart, property wrenched away +++ is just not cool.

  • Mau

    Maggs Naidu – I am STILL a cuntish troll that adds NO fucking value! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    June 14, 2013 at 13:37 pm

    Don’t worry Maggs, some of us still like you..

  • Maggs Naidu – Go tell your granny! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mau
    June 15, 2013 at 8:24 am

    LOL Mau

    “Don’t worry Maggs, some of us still like you..”

    Thanks, but not the dope who wrote that.

    I smell Terence Grant …

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Terence, it is nice to have someone channelling the TRUE Maggs for our benefit. But you must study your target’s manner of speech and vocabulary more carefully. As a strict adherent of outmoded Hindu taboos, we all know he would never use the word CUNTISH!

    Thanks.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Paul Kearney
    June 15, 2013 at 5:58 am

    This is not just about land any more – it is hard to have any sort of rational debate about this if its starts of from the premise that you are still regarded as a “colonialist” i.e versus the “indigenous” – also see the NDR terminology “Colonialist of a Special Type” and what is really implied is that you don’t have any claim to land at all. In fact what is really at stake here is the core of our history, and our had fought right to existence in Africa, a battle fought by my ancestors over a couple of centuries.

    I want to say, even if I have no land myself, if the premise and the point of departure is that I don’t belong here (I very distinct message I’m feeling coming form certain quarters more and more) and we are indeed not “African” then it is not a debate worth having at all. For me my African or rather Afrikaner identity is not something that can be “debated” or even negotiated.

    Finish and klaar.

  • Maggs Naidu – God made WHITE people from MUD! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Zulani
    June 14, 2013 at 17:58 pm

    Hey Zulani,

    You’re right that noise makers not interested in CONSTITUTIONAL LAW use this as a battle ground to insult humiliate, offend, abuse, hurt, annoy … each other. These are like a bunch of angry TOKOLOSHES at war among themselves.

    You really should think of starting a satellite blog where more reasoned, rational, informed even erudite discussions can take place over issues of national constitutional importance.

    Ignore the cynics (Dworky, Brett, OB, Gwebs, Dmwangi, Paul, Right-Wing-Guy and others) who may comment that if you had something interesting to say about Pierre’s blog then you would simply say it. They may even think that by not commenting on the substance of the blog but on the comments that you find the comments more interesting.

    But they would be wrong to assume that you really have not read the blog and have a comment related to that, just because you read the comments and find those more worthy of your thoughts.

    Perhaps a hint will help – if you have a thought on the blog itself, do share, perhaps these blady agents, tjatjarag bastards will engage with you. Or not.

  • Maggs Naidu – God made WHITE people from MUD! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Hey Dmwangi you silly goat,

    Here’s something that you will find troubling, er, fascinating.

    http://www.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2013/06/gay-porn-pakistan

  • Boertjie

    @ everyone fighting here…besides simply blowing off steam, is there any other point to these conversations?

  • Dmwangi

    Maggs Naidu – God made WHITE people from MUD! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    June 15, 2013 at 19:47 pm

    For the sake of gay Pakistanis, let us hope that the ISI does not have the tech-surveillance capabilities of the CIA.

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!

    Dmwangi says:
    June 14, 2013 at 22:37 pm

    Here’s another shining example why philosophers masturbate in dark corners while other men build empires.

    Mwangi holds legislators who had just lived through a horrible war in which 70 000 civilians died in death camps and who had lived through the Bambatha Rebellion, who had seen during the war quite a few episodes which were a foreboding of the Bambatha Rebellion, to the standard of the hypothetical Kant.

    Homo sapiens, eh?

  • Maggs Naidu – God made WHITE people from MUD! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Dmwangi
    June 15, 2013 at 20:19 pm

    “let us hope that the ISI does not have the tech-surveillance capabilities of the CIA.”

    The ISI has the tech-surveillance capabilities, Dm.

    They use it to watch GAY PORN!

  • Maggs Naidu – God made WHITE people from MUD! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – The ANC’s will govern until Sausage Guy comes!
    June 15, 2013 at 20:21 pm

    Hey Brett,

    Stop interfering with Dmwangi and check this proof that WHITE people stole the land.

    http://www.debeersgroup.com/ImageVaultFiles/id_1585/cf_5/Open_Pit_2nd_HERO_IMAGE_3_Jwaneng-078.JPG?~1585~

    And here are the ECONOMIC FREEDOM FIGHTERS demanding back the land.

    http://www.policyinnovations.org/layout_images/miner_gang.jpg

  • Dmwangi

    “Here’s another shining example why philosophers masturbate in dark corners while other men build empires.”

    Good point. I’d much rather emulate Augustine than Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Genghis Khan, Caligula, George III or Charlemagne. Building an empire largely requires sufficient ruthlessness; application of will to violent means. I prefer the search for truth to torture, rape, pillage and plunder.

    Btw, you’re the one who invoked Kant by calling into question the existence of duties in the absence of “sophisticated Rechtsstaatst’s.” And it’s true that this entire conversation would be moot had they followed the categorical imperative.

  • Dmwangi

    “standard of the hypothetical Kant.”

    It’s not “hypothetical.” Kant addressed these exact issues.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Jo jo. And now these noble pure blood Africans wants these barbaric Europeans who according to Khosi “forced their starved minute apparatuses into our grandmothers” to “invest”:

    “We hear…that there are billions and billions of rands in South Africa, in the hands of big business who if they were to invest…it would contribute to the economic well being of the country.” She said Europeans even encouraged inward investment as there were opportunities on the continent and in South Africa. Mashabane said South Africa’s Constitution safeguarded both domestic and international investors.”

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2013/06/16/big-business-can-help-sa-mashabane

    LOL – never mind the Zimbabwe “indigenisation bill” ne – or the enemy being “white monopoly capital” and of course us “white males” been identified as the easier target, the low hanging fruit of the “second phase”.

    If only our pure bred African brothers would learn to speak out of one orifice, instead of two.

  • Maggs Naidu – God made WHITE people from MUD! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Ozoneblue
    June 16, 2013 at 10:13 am

    Awwww Shaddup OB,

    “If only our pure bred African brothers would learn to speak out of one orifice, instead of two.”

    Everyone knows that Khosi’s mouth is for eating – stop confusing him.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Maggs Naidu – God made WHITE people from MUD! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    June 16, 2013 at 10:18 am

    Maggs, but did you notice how this struggle against “white monopoly capital” actually works?

    Look “South Africa’s Constitution safeguarded both domestic and international investors.” The only thing it seems is that our constitution doesn’t necessarily safe-guard the is basic human rights of the garden variety, piet pompies sort of “white male” though, especially when it comes to applying for a job or a spot at SAA cadet school.

    And that I assume is why 1% of our labour market remains UNTRANSFORMED!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Is this not what real transformation is really all about?

    “NELSPRUIT, South Africa (Reuters) – If Siya Kolisi wins his first South Africa cap on Saturday, it will complete a remarkable story of a player who overcame dire poverty in the black townships of the Eastern Cape to become a symbol of the potential of sport. Brought up by his grandmother and often barred from primary school because there was not enough money to pay for fees, loose forward Kolisi is one of two uncapped players named in the matchday 23 for the test against Scotland in Nelspruit. “It will be a special day for him,” Springboks captain Jean de Villiers said on Friday of his Stormers team mate. “He didn’t have the opportunities we had as kids but he has made his mark.” Kolisi is likely to get a run-out off the bench in the test, which falls the day before his 22nd birthday, and while his grandmother is no longer alive to see him step into the international arena, he is flying in his father for the match. It will be only the second time his father, who had to leave Kolisi behind in Port Elizabeth to seek work in Cape Town, has seen him play. “He is going to be more emotional than me, I mean I’m the first Springbok from the township where I come from,” Kolisi told reporters earlier this week. “He is going to be a very proud dad, and he is going to cry a bit and I will probably join him.”

    NATURAL FLAIR

    Kolisi, who said he owed a lot to his grandmother, hails from one of the few black areas in South Africa where rugby, seen mostly as the preserve of the country’s minority white populace, is as popular as soccer. “I’m grateful to her (grandmother), because she did everything she could to give me a life. She would go without food so that I could eat,” he said in a recent interview. He showed a natural flair from the first time he played and aged 13 won a scholarship to a top rugby-playing high school. “I couldn’t speak a word of English when I first attended Grey High, but my mates taught me and helped me with homework,” he said.

    http://news.yahoo.com/springboks-debut-complete-kolisis-rise-poverty-125630521.html

    And a man of the match performance too. Congrats Siya, you are a bona fide inspiration to the youth.

  • Lisbeth

    @ Dmwangi

    “Rechtsstaatst’s”

    Whoever first came up with this abomination (and I sincerely hope it wasn’t you), please note that the plural of “Rechtsstaat” is “Rechtsstaaten”.

  • Maggs Naidu – Poor people should have joined the struggle! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Lisbeth
    June 16, 2013 at 15:24 pm

    Well spotted Lisbeth that the plural of “Rechtsstaat” is “Rechtsstaaten”.

    What’s the plural of a person who steals land from Black people?

  • Lisbeth

    @ Maggs:

    Q: “What’s the plural of a person who steals land from Black people”?

    A: “Persons who steal land from Black people”

  • Maggs Naidu – Poor people should have joined the struggle! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Eish – Lisbeth it is such a disappointment that you got such an easy question wrong – you must have learned in Limpopo with no textbooks, no swimming gear, no access to the recycling plants where new textbooks are sent.

    The answer is WHITE people!

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Maggs Naidu – Poor people should have joined the struggle! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    June 16, 2013 at 19:54 pm

    “The answer is WHITE people!”

    All WHITE people maggs? just like all INDIANS are racist and therefore your African “brothers” want to shove their starved baboon-sized apparatuses into your anuses before they drive you into the sea!

    I hope you INDIANS can swim maggs.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Some more food for thought from the Higher Education Transformation Network – give us Apartheid back.

    ““In the old apartheid days, I’m sorry to say, but Afrikaners gave each other an opportunity to be where they are today. Why can’t we do that, as long as we’re in line with the Constitution?” For Thekisho, transformation must be the primary concern of the JSC. “The issue of transformation must not be taken over the issue of fit and proper,” he said. Reginald Legoabe, the network’s executive director, added that the court action risks the “legitimacy of a constitutionally created institution”.”

    http://www.citypress.co.za/news/the-jsc-should-do-what-afrikaners-did/

    He must have shared his notes with PdV.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    @ Lisbeth

    You should feel free to use the terms “WHITES,” just as Maggs suggests. But a perhaps less insensitive and more progressive usage is “WHITISTS”, or even “the WHITISH [among us]”

    Which do you prefer?

  • Maggs Naidu – Poor people should have joined the struggle! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Ozoneblue
    June 16, 2013 at 20:45 pm

    Hey OB,

    “I hope you INDIANS can swim maggs.”

    No we can’t swim.

    In India we have saying “God made fish to swim and humans to walk”.

    p.s. In India we also have another saying “WHITE people stole all the land”

    p.p.s. Yes, WHITE people means ALL White people – excluding women, children, gays, CHRISTIANS, Atheists, rugby players, fishermen, IT specialists, and others

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    LOL.

    You must never think our Internet liberation fighters are as willing to take it up the arse as you are.

    “These contradictions and empty threats cast doubts on the credibility of Anonymous, but only if you make the mistake of regarding Anonymous as a single organisation, and assume that only a single South African “chapter” of Anonymous can exist. The thing is, anyone can call themselves a member of Anonymous. There is no form you need to fill in or membership roll you have to be on before you can take responsibility for a hack in the name of Anonymous.”

    Listen to what your “brother” Khosi is telling you. He is doing you a favour, boet. But go on all the social media, chat lines, etc. not a single black person logged in here to say they differ from has obnoxious nazi pov. They are pushing for Mugabe now – the war is just beginning and I said many times whites, Indians and Coloureds – they are the enemy.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue
  • Maggs Naidu – Poor people should have joined the struggle! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Ozoneblue
    June 17, 2013 at 10:37 am

    OB,

    “They are pushing for Mugabe now – the war is just beginning and I said many times whites, Indians and Coloureds – they are the enemy.”

    Indian people have no enemies, OB.

    In India we have a saying “only bad people (ask Lisbeth what’s the plural of BAD people) have enemies”.

    In India we also another saying “Khosi can go an complain to his …”.

  • Lisbeth

    @ Maggs

    “(ask Lisbeth what’s the plural of BAD people)”

    Erm… uh … WHITE people?

  • Gwebecimele
  • Maggs Naidu – God made WHITE people from MUD! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Lisbeth
    June 17, 2013 at 15:58 pm

    Eish Lisbeth

    “Erm… uh … WHITE people?”

    RACIST!!!!!!

  • Maggs Naidu – God made WHITE people from MUD! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Maggs Naidu – God made WHITE people from MUD! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    June 17, 2013 at 18:18 pm

    maggs. Nobody in Africa gives a flying fuck about US politics. Why don’t you and liewe pierretjie fuck off back there and go and join the global war against the Muslims (and anybody else who opposes global capitalism).

  • Gwebecimele
  • Maggs Naidu – God made WHITE people from MUD! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Ozoneblue
    June 17, 2013 at 19:10 pm

    Ozone Boy,

    “maggs. Nobody in Africa gives a flying fuck about US politics. Why don’t you and liewe pierretjie fuck off back there”

    I dunno where in the world Pierre is, but if you want me to “fuck off back [to the USA]” then you first have to get me back to South Africa from India.

    Recall that you and Dmwangi sent me packing to India to be with 1.3 billion other coolies.

    But since it’s so very nice here (not a single WHITE person in sight) you will really have to beg me to return to the racist breeding colony for Australia, JR’s new homeland.

    Are you ready to beg?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Maggs Naidu – God made WHITE people from MUD! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    June 17, 2013 at 19:40 pm

    “then you first have to get me back to South Africa from India”

    That is OK if you promise to buy me a couple of ice-cold Windhoek lagers at Wonderboom. We can exchange notes on Hindu metaphysics and the eternal ebb and flow of life energy and the inescapable reality of Karma.

    But unfortunate I cannot guarantee your safety, I only know blacks now and believe me, they don’t like you guptas any more too much.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    And talking of Karma maggs:

    Never, never underestimate us WHITES.

    “Heavy Metal veterans Black Sabbath have scored their first number one album in the UK for nearly 43 years. Frontman Ozzy Osbourne, guitarist Tony Iommi and bassist Geezer Butler – along with drummer Brad Wilk – beat Liam Gallagher’s Beady Eye to the top spot with their long-gestating album, 13. “I’m in shock!” said 64-year-old Osbourne. “The success of this album has blown me off my feet.” The band last topped the charts in 1970 with their second album, Paranoid.” – BBC

    God Is Dead?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVfUimq2KeI

  • Maggs Naidu – God made WHITE people from MUD! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Ozoneblue
    June 17, 2013 at 20:40 pm

    Hey OB,

    “I only know blacks now”

    In India we have a saying “better late than never”.

    Re “they don’t like you guptas any more too much”.

    In India we have another saying “The friends of the Guptas are powerful people, the enemies of the Guptas are jealous”.

    p.s. thanks for your concerns over my safety – but I’m pretty safe in India there are no WHITE people.

  • Gwebecimele
  • Gwebecimele
  • Lisbeth

    @ Maggs

    “… in India there are no WHITE people”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4038069.stm

  • Friend

    Re distribution implies that something had to be distributed, which is a false premise, no earth land or property had been distributed, it’s simplistic roots lies in the all-whites-are-racist-and-stole-our-chickens-from-us-thought-school and whilst conforming with this thought school might get some people liad on a Friday night by someone with simular thoughts it’s an agenda which should rather be seen for what it is, fucking bull shit, based on the false premise that land had somehow bee distrubuted in the past to your father who cannot accept the fact that some people are born in a closet and has to make a discision one day to stay there with the others or be brave enough to climb out with the other heros who has done so too

  • Friend

    had been unfairly advantaged in this way somehow, my father had to pay for every thing that he owns, some of those things were stolen, perhaps your thought school felt this was redistribution of wealth enough and developed a conscience, perhaps not and perhaps this genius thought school should hammer enough until the white racists have had enough and say hey, just take my stuff now and quit calling me names?

  • Maggs Naidu – WHITE People stole ALL the land! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Lisbeth
    June 18, 2013 at 15:38 pm

    Well Lisbeth – thanks for the alert.

    I though it was god or aliens responsible for the sudden disappearance of land all over India – but now we know better.

    http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2010/06/01/1225874/059355-sinkhole.jpg

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!

    Did this man fall foul of the kleptocracy?

    http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/hunt-for-clues-after-top-cop-s-body-found-1.1533751

    What? Are you saying police chiefs have been killed all over the world the last couple of days?

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    Maggs Naidu – God made WHITE people from MUD! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)
    June 18, 2013 at 8:30 am

    “p.s. thanks for your concerns over my safety – but I’m pretty safe in India there are no WHITE people.”

    Don’t mention it. you can run but you can never hide. Sooner or later the consequences of your own racism and hatred will annihilate you. That is KARMA and you cannot escape it my dear brother.

    .

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    The capitalist who gives more than he takes. Telling the South African government and the ANC to go f*k themselves.

    “His capital has its roots in the sale of Shuttleworth’s computer security business, Thawte, to Verisign, at the height of the dot com bubble in 1999, for $575 million – worth R3.5-billion at the time. He has since founded Canonical Limited, which produces one of the world’s most popular open-source operating systems, known as Ubuntu. He started a venture capital outfit named Here Be Dragons, which has invested in such companies as Fundamo, Clicks2Customers, SA Cab and Moyo. He launched the Shuttleworth Foundation, a non-profit that funds the use of free, open-source and educational software. He started an educational charity known as Hip2B2 (“hip to be square”), which promotes maths and science education, innovation and entrepreneurship among the youth.”

    http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/opinionista/2013-06-18-the-trials-of-samson-shuttleworth/#.UcDWNtc88VY

    A capitalist that doesn’t control the means of production.

    “Our philosophy

    Our work is driven by a belief that software should be free and accessible to all.

    We believe that every computer user:

    Should have the freedom to download, run, copy, distribute, study, share, change and improve their software for any purpose, without paying licensing fees.
    Should be able to use their software in the language of their choice.
    Should be able to use all software regardless of disability.
    Our philosophy is reflected in the software we produce, the way we distribute it and our licensing terms, too – Ubuntu Licence Policy.

    Install Ubuntu and you can rest assured that all our software meets these ideals. Plus, we are continually working to ensure that every piece of software you could possibly need is available under a licence that gives you those freedoms.”

    http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy

    Well done!

  • Mike

    @Maggs – During the Cato Manor riots my grandmother living in Carters avenue (the one that joins Berea Road with Old Dutch Road,those maisonettes still existing) hid an indian women and her young child in the back of the property from marauding blacks in Berea Road who were attacking indians.
    No doubt in your eyes my grandmother was one of those white monkeys you refer to.

  • Maggs Naidu – WHITE People stole ALL the land! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Mike
    June 19, 2013 at 8:26 am

    Hey Mike,

    What was the Indian woman’s name?

    Not to worry – your granny will tell you that to WHITE people then (and until not so long ago) all Indian women were called MARY and all Indian men were called SAM.

    But you already know that!

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!

    Maggs Naidu – More camp than Shrien Dewani’s wedding? says:
    June 19, 2013 at 8:37 am

    Shut up, Sam! Jabber Jabber Jabber! Whole day! Worse than those bloody mynahs in the tree, since they can’t feel sorry for themselves.

  • Maggs Naidu – WHITE People stole ALL the land! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!
    June 19, 2013 at 8:53 am

    Hey Goofy,

    “since they can’t feel sorry for themselves.”

    In India we have a saying “Don’t feel sorry for yourselves, feel sorry for WHITE people, god made them from MUD!”

    p.s. What’s news from the GENOCIDE front lines?

  • True South African

    A big thank you to Pierre on his article, all I can say is I am really glad that I have managed to read it as it has given me a broader outlook into my situation as I ,feel, I am a victim of forced expropriation and have been given 8 unsuccessful offers over the past 20 years.

    FROM WHERE TO WHERE IN 20 YEARS.

    Hopefully our former leader’s Nelson Mandela’s image won’t be TARNISHED as his effort to neutralize Land Reform was a major step to correct the past injustice’s, like He gave his entire life for the struggle for freedom he also gave back hope to those affected by aparheid as He lies on a hospital bed fighting to live another day while our state departments have run us over with pathethic offers of compensation.

    Nelson Mandela’s famous Quote –
    “Never, never & never again shall it be that this beautiful land will again experience the oppression of one by another”.

    Really speaking as a citizen of lovely SA I feel victimized by an oppressive state run department for which I could not ask of more of a headache than this Land Reform.

    I find it quite sad that this is exactly what has happened to our land of which 600 families from previously disadvantaged communities have been living in Municipal developed dwellings on our land for the last 17 years while I am finding it tough to accept R1.5Million for 10 Hectares of prime Land only minutes away from south africa’s second largest city.

    Our lands was expropriated by the group areas act in 1952 and the South African government expropriated it again in 1996 to unlawfully develop on our land.

    Government needs to rethink this approach as we are now frustrated as these policies and protocols have become a dark reality in the Dream of Democracy.

    And to all those haters out there PEACE N LOVE to all, A PROUD CITIZEN of SA.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    I demand expropriation now. The one thing our unemployed youth want most of all is a plot of land in the countryside on which they can grow their own food!

  • Boertjie

    @ True South African…do you think these new proposed laws as outlined in the prof’s blog-post is the way to go?

  • True South African

    @ Boertjie Absolutely, 20 years is already a lifetime to me while 600 families benefit from our land and yet I don’t have a house of my own, tell me does it makes sense waiting on another 20 years.

  • Boertjie

    Do you have a job, True South African?

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!

    True South African says:
    June 19, 2013 at 10:12 am

    What you’re saying doesn’t make sense.

    Are you not a victim of the ANC’s bureaucracy?

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!

    Maggs Naidu – More camp than Shrien Dewani’s wedding? says:

    Sam, don’t you have work to do?

  • True South African

    I am unfortunately not working for the last 5years while I still think everyday of the opportunity that I have I missed if I where to be given the land I onced owned back to like the other 457000 claimants who are now new legal title owners of their land except mines was expropriated for the greater good of the 600 families that live on it

  • True South African

    I am thankful for freedom from apartheid God bless those who have brought an end to its heinous laws, I am a victim to the policy of willing buyer and willing seller, I would not discount it in other areas,but for me the ANC stands for Freedom From Opression. We have a democracy to live up to that’s a goal worth having than some of our other breathren in neighbouring countries or all of africa.

  • Boertjie

    @ True South African

    Here’s the thing…

    To fix unemployment, the following needs to happen…

    The school-education system must be fixed…because you need a good education to land a good job. And big business and industry wants a well-schooled workforce. A well-schooled work-force attracts business-investment that creates jobs.

    http://sairr.org.za/media/media-releases/Education-%20not%20race-%20will%20determine%20employment%20equity%20progress.pdf/at_download/file

    The labour-market must be deregulated. In a country where trade unions run amock, alongide endless legally-required red-tape, employers doesn’t want to hire people, because of all the trouble it brings them.

    Ideological hostility and threats to potential business-investors must be stopped. Would you want to invest in a business in a country where the state constantly talks of wealth-redistribution and tries to pass laws to give them control over your property-rights?

    These are the three reasons why there is such a high unemployment. (And BTW, I myself struggled for two years to find a job)

    And regarding subsistence farming….220000 emerging farmers and 1.3 million subsistence farmers produces only 5% of SA’s food while 47500 commercial farmers produces 95% of the food.

    Subsistence farming = FAMINE

    http://sairr.org.za/media/media-releases/press-release-commercial-farming-drives-food-security-8th-august-2012/at_download/file

  • True South African

    @ Boertjie

    I don’t disagree with you on a well schooled society, however in my assessment of the situation our problem is Jobs fair and good but my understanding that the education we seek should have a way to motivate us in being business owners ourselves rather than foriegn investment because we don’t have the capacity to do it oursevles where every single one is given a chance to employ rather than being employed would create double the job requirement so ppl have an opportunity to get employment all everybody wants is a job but only Business owners can create them like Raymond Ackerman without an education employs thousands of ppl we need more entrepreneurs who can create jobs.

  • Boertjie

    “we need more entrepreneurs who can create jobs”

    I completely agree with that!!!!!!!

    And for that to happen, one needs an environment friendly for entrepreneurs. And things like excessive labour regulation, threats to property rights (the proposed expropriation laws) and the Licensing Bill (which if it becomes law requires even hawkers to have a business license) greatly discourages entrepreneurs.

    And when I talked about “investors”, I actually was talking about “local” investors (entrepreneurs).

    And what do you think of the SAIRR’s proposed alternative to current land reform policies?

    http://sairr.org.za/sairr-today-1/research-and-policy-brief-government-should-privatise-land-reform-2nd-november-2010

  • True South African

    Its probably the only alternative to a falied program, if states allows itself to distance rather than bridge itself from the day to day handling of such reforms then private sectors must be willing to partner with land owners to oversee a broader objective than huge profits in this way markets will increase and everone wins.

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    As an ECONOMIC FREEDOM FIGHTER I demand that we give each one of our unemployed youth a plot that is acquired on an UNWILLING SELLER basis. There, our youth will create jobs by growing maize and whole chicken to sell to China for profit!

    Thanks

  • Boertjie

    “a broader objective than huge profits”

    That’s the sad reality of the sick cynical world we live in. I think the only way the private sector is going to make such a bold and risky move to partake in land reform, is if they will win something out of it that justifies the risk.

    And I must thank you for your calm and rational attitude. I really appreciate it.

  • Brett Nortje – The ANC’s election poster for 2014: AWUKHO UMSEBENZI!

    http://www.iol.co.za/news/was-top-cop-taken-out-1.1534021

    Was top cop taken out?
    June 19 2013 at 07:44am

    By Valeska Abreu, Botho Molosankwe, Angelique Serrao and Sapa

    Pretoria – While police were awaiting an autopsy report to determine what killed Major-General Tirhani Maswanganyi, whose body was discovered on Tuesday dumped near Hammanskraal, his colleagues and the Police and Prisons Civil Rights Union (Popcru) branded his death a hit.

    The top cop was found with his hands and feet tied, but police at the crime scene on Tuesday said there were no gunshot wounds to his body.

    An angry and heartbroken colleague said he believed Maswanganyi death must have been a hit as there was no other explanation for his killing.

    Masenyani Hlongwane, chairman of Popcru in Joburg, agreed. “News of his death shocked and saddened everyone. This was a hit, there is no other explanation and it’s obvious that it was not only one person involved. But all we can do is wait for answers and hope the perpetrators are caught.”

    PRETORIA NEWS
    A source in the criminal justice system told Independent Newspapers on Tuesday that Maswanganyi had been working on investigations involving corrupt police officers.

    The source said numerous police officers at Joburg Central police station where he was based had been arrested because of Maswanganyi. “You couldn’t find a cleaner cop. He was ruthless about corruption,” the source said. Those in the crime-fighting world believed his murder was a hit, the source said.

    Maswanganyi’s body was found on Tuesday morning, just 10km from his house, in a field along the R101 in Rooiwal, close to Hammanskraal, north of Pretoria.

    The police’s canine unit discovered his body a few metres from his abandoned Isuzu bakkie.

    Police spokesman Brigadier Neville Malila said Maswanganyi had left his home at about 2pm on Monday and was on his way back to Joburg, where he lived during the week to be closer to work.

    “Police started searching for him after they found his car, unlocked with his uniform and appointment certificate inside, at about 6pm on Monday. He did not have a service pistol because he was office bound. His body was discovered at about 3am this morning (on Tuesday),” said Malila.

    A Pretoria News crew on Tuesday visited Maswanganyi’s home on a smallholding that houses a number of cows and other farm animals. His colleagues and family members were seen arriving to comfort Maswanganyi’s grieving widow, but was told that the family were not ready to speak to the media.

    “We have to wait for our elders, including his (Maswanganyi’s) mother. This is in respect of our culture and tradition,” a man believed to be Maswanganyi’s brother said.

    Malila said the cause of death was unknown but confirmed that Maswanganyi’s body did not have any visible gunshot wounds.

    “At this stage from what we can deduce it looks like suffocation.”

    Malila said police could also not confirm or deny if the general had been assaulted.

    “There was a little blood on the scene but that can be from a nose bleed or something like that.”

    Gauteng commissioner Lieutenant-General Mzwandile Petros announced on Tuesday that a multi-departmental team of investigators would investigate the death.

    “I have assembled a team of detectives under the leadership of the deputy provincial commissioner for detective services, Major-General Tebello Mosikili, and investigators from the provincial investigation unit and organised crime unit to investigate the murder,” Petros said.

    Premier Nomvula Mokonyane said Maswanganyi’s death was “a senseless blow to Gauteng’s war against crime’’.

    “In the memory of Major-General Maswanganyi, all of us law-abiding citizens should take up the cudgels and say: ‘We will not be cowed into submission by criminals. We will honour Maswanganyi by making sure that the perpetrators of this heinous crime are swiftly brought to book’,” she said.

    Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa said Maswanganyi’s death was a loss to South Africa.

    “The SAPS is poorer. The Gauteng provincial team is poorer. The people of Johannesburg are poorer. The people of Gauteng and of the entire South Africa are poorer.”

    The minister condemned the killing of police officers.

    “We have emphasised the point before that policing remains a very difficult and challenging duty… Daily our members face dangerous and vicious criminals who will not hesitate to kill them.

    “One policeman’s life lost is one too many. Enough is enough,” Mthethwa said.

    DA Gauteng spokeswoman on community safety Kate Lorimer sent condolences to Maswanganyi’s family and friends and asked that the public help find his killers. “By all accounts he was a dedicated policeman who keenly felt the need to make a difference in the fight against crime,” she said.

    Pretoria News

  • Zoo Keeper

    Let’s end this crap

    Willing buyer, willing seller only exists in the open-market.

    A buyer makes an offer to the seller who is free to accept or reject the offer.

    The reasons for the seller offering the land to the market are his own reasons and nobody else’s business. The reason why the buyer wants the land is his own business and nobody else’s business.

    That is willing buyer, wiling seller.

    Land claims is not the open-market and those considerations do not apply.

    Land claims entails the forced expropriation of land from a land-owner by the State. The State then does what it plans to do with the land, either give it to a claimant, build a road or airport or whatever.

    The seller is not willing. He is forced by operation of law to enter into a sale of his land to the State.

    The State cannot simply seize anybody’s property. That would be theft and is not allowed – hence the sale.

    Because it is a forced sale of property, in order to protect the land-owner from the abuse of the State, the State must pay the land-owner appropriate compensation.

    The purpose is to leave the land-owner in the position he was in immediately prior to the forced sale. Usually this does entail market-related value because otherwise the land-owner would be in a worse position and have less wealth than he had prior to the expropriation.

    The land claims process is actually very simple:

    1. Claim is lodged
    2. State investigates claim and determines validity (this may be challenged by the owner and other claimants but that is separate story)
    3. If valid, State forces land-owner to sell the property to the State on behalf of the claimants.

    NB: the land-owner has no choice, he must sell to the State.

    At no stage is there a willing buyer, willing seller scenario.

    If you honestly believe willing buyer willing seller applies to expropriations of land by the State, you are either completely ignorant, or you believe the ANC’s press or you are a complete idiot.

  • http://www.ozoneblue.co.za/ Ozoneblue

    “Quotas and targets for redress are necessary. But, because they are so politically useful, securing as they do the compliance and loyalty of elites and the middle class to the ANC, it is easy to be blinded to the negative consequences for the poor. A clear case of a good quota that will have positive long term outcomes is UCTs admission criteria, which is succeeding in producing more black and women graduates who will service society well in the coming decades. But the negative consequences of misapplied quotas and targets are also with us.”

    hmmm..At last somebody starts talking sense.

    http://www.groundup.org.za/content/transformation-quota-barking-mad

    “It needs to be said openly from the left that the whole notion of equality based mainly on race and gender representation is wasteful and uses huge resources which could better be transferred to poor and marginalised and mainly, but not exclusively, black people and communities directly. Redressing the consequences of historical disadvantage is necessary. Sadly, it cannot be achieved by simply giving assets to people who are not in a position to use them.”

    But it seems there are nobody left in THE LEFT. They are all jumped on the same entitlement gravy train.

  • Maggs Naidu – WHITE People stole ALL the land! (maggsnaidu@hotmail.com)

    Brett Nortje – The ANC’s Saved us from WHITE people!
    June 19, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Hey G,

    “Sam, don’t you have work to do?”

    No man, I don’t have a job – can you organise something for me?

  • Mikhail Dworkin Fassbinder

    Maggs, do you support COSATU’s demand that we boycott the new circumcision device from “Israel”? I have consistently taken the position that, whilst our youth has the right to unsheath its manhood, that must not come at the price of accepting medical technology developed by the denizens of the ILLEGAL ZIONIST ENTITY. (“IZE”).

    Thanks.

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